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Banksy Slave Labour, by lha on Jun 2, 2013 16:59:22 GMT 1, With the auction of Slave Labour looming i spotted this on The Sun website. Havent seen details anywhere else. www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4951255/Banksy-copies-at-spot-where-pic-was-taken.html
Its difficult to tell from the picture but it looks a good copy and six of them were done. None on the bay yet although im sure there will be!
What do folks think - copies done to make a point (not done by the man himself) or some sort of cheap stunt by the sun or someone similar. A fair bit of work would have gone into doing six of those!
With the auction of Slave Labour looming i spotted this on The Sun website. Havent seen details anywhere else. www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4951255/Banksy-copies-at-spot-where-pic-was-taken.htmlIts difficult to tell from the picture but it looks a good copy and six of them were done. None on the bay yet although im sure there will be! What do folks think - copies done to make a point (not done by the man himself) or some sort of cheap stunt by the sun or someone similar. A fair bit of work would have gone into doing six of those!
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Banksy Slave Labour, by smishdown on Jun 2, 2013 17:07:39 GMT 1, Good copy but there are a few differences between the two. I think the original is on sale tonight, so maybe some sort of publicity stunt.
Good copy but there are a few differences between the two. I think the original is on sale tonight, so maybe some sort of publicity stunt.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Warm Gun on Jun 2, 2013 17:47:01 GMT 1, Wouldn't it be great if the copies were by Banksy!
Wouldn't it be great if the copies were by Banksy!
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Banksy Slave Labour, by lha on Jun 2, 2013 17:50:19 GMT 1, Good copy but there are a few differences between the two. I think the original is on sale tonight, so maybe some sort of publicity stunt. Yep - the auction is tonight at the Film Museum in Covent Garden.
Good copy but there are a few differences between the two. I think the original is on sale tonight, so maybe some sort of publicity stunt. Yep - the auction is tonight at the Film Museum in Covent Garden.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by smishdown on Jun 2, 2013 17:54:05 GMT 1, Did you manage to grab one warmgun?
Did you manage to grab one warmgun?
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Banksy Slave Labour, by anorak on Jun 2, 2013 18:21:24 GMT 1, Peter Kennard speaks sense for the majority on Sky News:
Peter Kennard speaks sense for the majority on Sky News:
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Warm Gun on Jun 2, 2013 18:30:08 GMT 1, Did you manage to grab one warmgun? Ha, 'fraid not mate. I must admit, I'd have been tempted if I'd have seen one though.
Did you manage to grab one warmgun? Ha, 'fraid not mate. I must admit, I'd have been tempted if I'd have seen one though.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by anorak on Jun 2, 2013 20:24:21 GMT 1, The bu11sh1t auction was supposed to be happening in London at 5pm today... anyone know the outcome?
The bu11sh1t auction was supposed to be happening in London at 5pm today... anyone know the outcome?
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Banksy Slave Labour, by lha on Jun 2, 2013 20:57:24 GMT 1, Havent see anything yet - have seen this though regarding the six copies left at the site of the original piece!
The Metropolitan Police confirmed to the BBC that one of the replicas was later confiscated from a member of the public.
"At 10:40 hours on Saturday, 1 June, police stopped a man in possession of a piece of artwork in Wood Green," they said.
"The artwork is being treated as property found on the street and has been taken to a North London police station."
If no-one claims the copy, it, too, will be auctioned.
Havent see anything yet - have seen this though regarding the six copies left at the site of the original piece!
The Metropolitan Police confirmed to the BBC that one of the replicas was later confiscated from a member of the public.
"At 10:40 hours on Saturday, 1 June, police stopped a man in possession of a piece of artwork in Wood Green," they said.
"The artwork is being treated as property found on the street and has been taken to a North London police station."
If no-one claims the copy, it, too, will be auctioned.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by colony on Jun 2, 2013 21:00:43 GMT 1, Oh wow would be awesome if they were by Banksy. If I saw one on the street I would definitely grab one! Would be mad not to.
Oh wow would be awesome if they were by Banksy. If I saw one on the street I would definitely grab one! Would be mad not to.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 21:08:09 GMT 1, Havent see anything yet - have seen this though regarding the six copies left at the site of the original piece! The Metropolitan Police confirmed to the BBC that one of the replicas was later confiscated from a member of the public. "At 10:40 hours on Saturday, 1 June, police stopped a man in possession of a piece of artwork in Wood Green," they said. "The artwork is being treated as property found on the street and has been taken to a North London police station." If no-one claims the copy, it, too, will be auctioned. Really?!
Perhaps the Met would like to tell us how they dealt with Banksy's work 'confiscated' from the peace campaigner Brian Haw.
Havent see anything yet - have seen this though regarding the six copies left at the site of the original piece! The Metropolitan Police confirmed to the BBC that one of the replicas was later confiscated from a member of the public. "At 10:40 hours on Saturday, 1 June, police stopped a man in possession of a piece of artwork in Wood Green," they said. "The artwork is being treated as property found on the street and has been taken to a North London police station." If no-one claims the copy, it, too, will be auctioned. Really?! Perhaps the Met would like to tell us how they dealt with Banksy's work 'confiscated' from the peace campaigner Brian Haw.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by anorak on Jun 2, 2013 21:40:04 GMT 1, According to 'Artlyst' on twitter 10 minutes ago (sorry can't work out how to link)
"Banksy Unsold At Auction Tonight in London. Untouchable! Street Art is for everyone,worthless if not in situ!"
According to 'Artlyst' on twitter 10 minutes ago (sorry can't work out how to link)
"Banksy Unsold At Auction Tonight in London. Untouchable! Street Art is for everyone,worthless if not in situ!"
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Banksy Slave Labour, by colony on Jun 2, 2013 21:40:57 GMT 1, So it didn't sell? The guy on the video on the BBC comes across as a right dick.
So it didn't sell? The guy on the video on the BBC comes across as a right dick.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 21:41:08 GMT 1, From the Sincura Group website who specialise in PR, events management and marketing (No surprise): www.thesincuragroup.com/Banksy.html
Latest news update 11/05/2013: In light of the recent media attention, the Sincura Group would like to issue the following statement with regards the Banksy Slave Labour piece; click here to read.
The Banksy mural 'Slave Labour' that mysteriously disappeared from a north London wall amid wild speculation and intrigue returns to the capital as the centrepiece of The Sincura Group’s latest private art exhibition and sale.
As the headline of the Sincura Event calendar Sunday June 2nd sees our next Art Event – Banksy at The Flower Cellars. For an artist who has become synonymous with changing the look of our streets we present his work in the capital's former flower cellars, now the stunning London Film Museum, in the heart of Covent Garden.
The collection has been loving put together with some of the world's leading private collectors and many of these pieces have never been seen before in public. It is your chance to view, and even purchase, some of the most important artwork in the modern era including the infamous Slave Labour piece.
We welcome our members to join VIP guests from 6pm with complimentary champagne from sponsors Tattinger and canapés created by LMG under the guidance of ex-head chef of celebrity restaurant Zuma. Please contact the designated members' line for your invitations.
Please email arts@thesincuragroup.com for general enquiries; click here to download the press release.
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From the Sincura Group website who specialise in PR, events management and marketing (No surprise): www.thesincuragroup.com/Banksy.htmlLatest news update 11/05/2013: In light of the recent media attention, the Sincura Group would like to issue the following statement with regards the Banksy Slave Labour piece; click here to read. The Banksy mural 'Slave Labour' that mysteriously disappeared from a north London wall amid wild speculation and intrigue returns to the capital as the centrepiece of The Sincura Group’s latest private art exhibition and sale. As the headline of the Sincura Event calendar Sunday June 2nd sees our next Art Event – Banksy at The Flower Cellars. For an artist who has become synonymous with changing the look of our streets we present his work in the capital's former flower cellars, now the stunning London Film Museum, in the heart of Covent Garden. The collection has been loving put together with some of the world's leading private collectors and many of these pieces have never been seen before in public. It is your chance to view, and even purchase, some of the most important artwork in the modern era including the infamous Slave Labour piece. We welcome our members to join VIP guests from 6pm with complimentary champagne from sponsors Tattinger and canapés created by LMG under the guidance of ex-head chef of celebrity restaurant Zuma. Please contact the designated members' line for your invitations. Please email arts@thesincuragroup.com for general enquiries; click here to download the press release. DOUCHEBAGS
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 21:46:23 GMT 1,
That's from their (Sincura) twitter before people worry that I've gone to the dark side!
That's from their (Sincura) twitter before people worry that I've gone to the dark side!
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Wearology on Jun 2, 2013 21:54:44 GMT 1, The 6 pieces left today were NOT by Banksy. I know the street artist that did it but I want to first get permission from them before I post anything more.
The 6 pieces left today were NOT by Banksy. I know the street artist that did it but I want to first get permission from them before I post anything more.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by anorak on Jun 2, 2013 21:54:48 GMT 1, SO glad it didn't sell!!!! serves the money grabbing t0ssers right - and who on earth made that hideous frame?
SO glad it didn't sell!!!! serves the money grabbing t0ssers right - and who on earth made that hideous frame?
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 22:30:50 GMT 1, Were the (IMO) total snotbags at Bankrobber anything to do with this one?............
www.bankrobberlondon.com/
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 22:33:25 GMT 1, The 6 pieces left today were NOT by Banksy. I know the street artist that did it but I want to first get permission from them before I post anything more. .......i just phoned them J, its ok to post pics but you must sing Im Dreaming of a White Christmas while wearing your wifes undercrackers as you are doing so.
The 6 pieces left today were NOT by Banksy. I know the street artist that did it but I want to first get permission from them before I post anything more. .......i just phoned them J, its ok to post pics but you must sing Im Dreaming of a White Christmas while wearing your wifes undercrackers as you are doing so.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Gulosten on Jun 2, 2013 22:44:01 GMT 1, SO glad it didn't sell!!!! serves the money grabbing t0ssers right - and who on earth made that hideous frame? It did sell. £900K. Source?
SO glad it didn't sell!!!! serves the money grabbing t0ssers right - and who on earth made that hideous frame? It did sell. £900K. Source?
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Banksy Slave Labour, by anorak on Jun 2, 2013 22:48:16 GMT 1, yeh right! whoever heard of an 'auction house' staging a sale to try and sell something for more, when 'someone' in America has already agreed to buy it for 800k? There's no buyer in the US and the scumbags at Bankrobber have yet again flogged a dead horse... when will they learn that street art belongs on the street.
yeh right! whoever heard of an 'auction house' staging a sale to try and sell something for more, when 'someone' in America has already agreed to buy it for 800k? There's no buyer in the US and the scumbags at Bankrobber have yet again flogged a dead horse... when will they learn that street art belongs on the street.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Warm Gun on Jun 2, 2013 23:07:25 GMT 1, Sounds like the piece was already 'sold' regardless of tonights pretend auction, apparently someone over the pond has agreed to buy it, the greedy bar stewards are just have once last ditch attempt at fleecing a bit more cash from some other rich mug,........
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22748111
Sounds like the piece was already 'sold' regardless of tonights pretend auction, apparently someone over the pond has agreed to buy it, the greedy bar stewards are just have once last ditch attempt at fleecing a bit more cash from some other rich mug,........ www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22748111
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Wearology on Jun 2, 2013 23:59:34 GMT 1, Disputed Banksy Mural Sells for More Than $1.1 Million By Scott Reyburn - Jun 2, 2013 7:00 PM ET A mural by Banksy which divided the art world after being removed from a London street sold last night at a private event in London for more than 750,000 pounds ($1.1 million). The 2012 spray painting “Slave Labour,” showing a boy making Union Jack bunting with a sewing machine, was being shown by the Sincura Group, a concierge company, at a members-only event in the basement of the London Film Museum in the Covent Garden area of the U.K. capital. Enlarge image A man takes a phone photo of an artwork attributed to Banksy. The stencilled image, depicting a poor child making Union Jack flags on a sewing machine, was located on the wall of a Poundland discount shop in the Wood Green area of north London. The artwork was later removed and has been offered for sale, first in Florida and now in London. Photographer: Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images The work’s sale, earlier planned for an auction in Florida, enraged street art enthusiasts who argue that Banksy murals are gifts to communities and should remain in situ. Others point out that unsolicited graffiti becomes the property of the building owners, who are legally entitled to do what they want with them. Prospective buyers had been invited to make offers for the painting of more than 900,000 pounds in a 3½-hour silent auction that closed at 9:30 p.m. Invitees sipped Taittinger champagne and listened to house music as they admired the newly-framed mural flanked by a pair of security guards. At the end of the event, Sincura had received three bids of more than 750,000 pounds, the London-based dealer Robin Barton, who was representing the restored mural’s owners, said in an email. The successful buyer and final price will be announced later this morning, he said. Miami Sale The Banksy had been stenciled on the wall of a Poundland store in London. It was removed in February and reappeared in the Feb. 23 sale by Fine Art Auctions in Miami, estimated at $500,000 to $700,000. The lot was withdrawn at the last moment, following objections from Haringey Council and street-art fans. Barton, whose Bankrobber dealership specializes in Banksy, said in an e-mail on May 30 that a U.S.-based collector had already offered to buy the painting for $1 million and that he expected it sell for a higher price with Sincura. “Our goal is to find a buyer who will keep it in the U.K.,” Tony Baxter, director of the Sincura Group, said in an interview before the sale. “We know the sale of this Banksy has caused great controversy. We’ve done our due diligence and there is no legal issue.” Baxter said he wouldn’t be charging any fees for the auction of the mural. “Slave Labour,” satirizing Queen Elizabeth’s Diamond Jubilee, was being shown among a group of about 40 works by Banksy, Andy Warhol, Damien Hirst and Mario Testino. Most of the pieces were lower-value prints, though a signed 2001 Testino photograph of Kate Moss, from an edition of three, was priced at 125,000 pounds. Pest Control Bristol-born Banksy is the world’s most famous and expensive urban artist. A canvas by him sold for a record $1.9 million at auction in February 2008. In that same year, he introduced an authentication service, Pest Control, intended to regulate the market for his paintings and street murals. He hasn’t authenticated “Slave Labour,” in common with other works sprayed without permission in public places. While Banksy is a widely imitated artist, experts said the work is clearly his. “None of the major auction houses will touch a Banksy street piece without his certification,” said Mike Snelle, director of the London-based urban art dealers, Black Rat Press. “This event was supposedly about trying to find a U.K. buyer to keep it in the country. I didn’t sense much of a community feeling behind this.” Owners Named The painting first appeared in the Wood Green area of north London. It was on a building is owned by Wood Green Investments, a property company registered at Woodford Green, Essex, according to the U.K. registry, Companies House. Its co-directors are named as Robert Alan Davis and Leslie Steven Gilbert, both based in Essex. Barton said in an email that Davis and Gilbert owned the Banksy mural and that he had arranged its sale in London. “These paintings do not need certification,” said Barton. “If one takes the view that Banksy has made a significant contribution to 21st-century art history, then this is best represented through his visceral street works, often created in the dead of night with the threat of arrest ever present. The stencil and sprayed canvas works are a poor imitation of the real thing.” Muse highlights include Scott Reyburn on the art market, Martin Gayford on European art shows, Elin McCoy on wine and Jeremy Gerard on U.S. theater. To contact the writer on the story: Scott Reyburn in London at sreyburn@hotmail.com. To contact the editor responsible for this story: Manuela Hoelterhoff at mhoelterhoff@bloomberg.net.
Disputed Banksy Mural Sells for More Than $1.1 Million By Scott Reyburn - Jun 2, 2013 7:00 PM ET A mural by Banksy which divided the art world after being removed from a London street sold last night at a private event in London for more than 750,000 pounds ($1.1 million). The 2012 spray painting “Slave Labour,” showing a boy making Union Jack bunting with a sewing machine, was being shown by the Sincura Group, a concierge company, at a members-only event in the basement of the London Film Museum in the Covent Garden area of the U.K. capital. Enlarge image A man takes a phone photo of an artwork attributed to Banksy. The stencilled image, depicting a poor child making Union Jack flags on a sewing machine, was located on the wall of a Poundland discount shop in the Wood Green area of north London. The artwork was later removed and has been offered for sale, first in Florida and now in London. Photographer: Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images The work’s sale, earlier planned for an auction in Florida, enraged street art enthusiasts who argue that Banksy murals are gifts to communities and should remain in situ. Others point out that unsolicited graffiti becomes the property of the building owners, who are legally entitled to do what they want with them. Prospective buyers had been invited to make offers for the painting of more than 900,000 pounds in a 3½-hour silent auction that closed at 9:30 p.m. Invitees sipped Taittinger champagne and listened to house music as they admired the newly-framed mural flanked by a pair of security guards. At the end of the event, Sincura had received three bids of more than 750,000 pounds, the London-based dealer Robin Barton, who was representing the restored mural’s owners, said in an email. The successful buyer and final price will be announced later this morning, he said. Miami Sale The Banksy had been stenciled on the wall of a Poundland store in London. It was removed in February and reappeared in the Feb. 23 sale by Fine Art Auctions in Miami, estimated at $500,000 to $700,000. The lot was withdrawn at the last moment, following objections from Haringey Council and street-art fans. Barton, whose Bankrobber dealership specializes in Banksy, said in an e-mail on May 30 that a U.S.-based collector had already offered to buy the painting for $1 million and that he expected it sell for a higher price with Sincura. “Our goal is to find a buyer who will keep it in the U.K.,” Tony Baxter, director of the Sincura Group, said in an interview before the sale. “We know the sale of this Banksy has caused great controversy. We’ve done our due diligence and there is no legal issue.” Baxter said he wouldn’t be charging any fees for the auction of the mural. “Slave Labour,” satirizing Queen Elizabeth’s Diamond Jubilee, was being shown among a group of about 40 works by Banksy, Andy Warhol, Damien Hirst and Mario Testino. Most of the pieces were lower-value prints, though a signed 2001 Testino photograph of Kate Moss, from an edition of three, was priced at 125,000 pounds. Pest Control Bristol-born Banksy is the world’s most famous and expensive urban artist. A canvas by him sold for a record $1.9 million at auction in February 2008. In that same year, he introduced an authentication service, Pest Control, intended to regulate the market for his paintings and street murals. He hasn’t authenticated “Slave Labour,” in common with other works sprayed without permission in public places. While Banksy is a widely imitated artist, experts said the work is clearly his. “None of the major auction houses will touch a Banksy street piece without his certification,” said Mike Snelle, director of the London-based urban art dealers, Black Rat Press. “This event was supposedly about trying to find a U.K. buyer to keep it in the country. I didn’t sense much of a community feeling behind this.” Owners Named The painting first appeared in the Wood Green area of north London. It was on a building is owned by Wood Green Investments, a property company registered at Woodford Green, Essex, according to the U.K. registry, Companies House. Its co-directors are named as Robert Alan Davis and Leslie Steven Gilbert, both based in Essex. Barton said in an email that Davis and Gilbert owned the Banksy mural and that he had arranged its sale in London. “These paintings do not need certification,” said Barton. “If one takes the view that Banksy has made a significant contribution to 21st-century art history, then this is best represented through his visceral street works, often created in the dead of night with the threat of arrest ever present. The stencil and sprayed canvas works are a poor imitation of the real thing.” Muse highlights include Scott Reyburn on the art market, Martin Gayford on European art shows, Elin McCoy on wine and Jeremy Gerard on U.S. theater. To contact the writer on the story: Scott Reyburn in London at sreyburn@hotmail.com. To contact the editor responsible for this story: Manuela Hoelterhoff at mhoelterhoff@bloomberg.net.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 0:05:51 GMT 1, yeh right! whoever heard of an 'auction house' staging a sale to try and sell something for more, when 'someone' in America has already agreed to buy it for 800k? There's no buyer in the US and the scumbags at Bankrobber have yet again flogged a dead horse... when will they learn that street art belongs on the street. ^^^^ this.
It didnt sell.
yeh right! whoever heard of an 'auction house' staging a sale to try and sell something for more, when 'someone' in America has already agreed to buy it for 800k? There's no buyer in the US and the scumbags at Bankrobber have yet again flogged a dead horse... when will they learn that street art belongs on the street. ^^^^ this. It didnt sell.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by anorak on Jun 3, 2013 20:20:57 GMT 1, Exactly Wizzy... Hey Robin 'Dick' Barton from Bankrobber - where's the buyer? All the press reports today were told by Bankrobber that the purchaser would be announced later today? That's not going to happen because it's all a scam, there is NO buyer. All Barton is trying to do is set a precedent for selling street works BUT no-one with £750k to spare will buy any of his grubby merchandise unless they know there's a resale value in it... that's what makes it an 'investment'. They'd not be able to sell a Banksy street piece on in the future and turn a profit because 'mainstream' auction houses won't touch them with a bargepole - because the artist will never authenticate them. Wise up Barton, you're not cut out to be in the art business... go back to ringing cars - you wide boy scum (hope you're reading this you moron)
Exactly Wizzy... Hey Robin 'Dick' Barton from Bankrobber - where's the buyer? All the press reports today were told by Bankrobber that the purchaser would be announced later today? That's not going to happen because it's all a scam, there is NO buyer. All Barton is trying to do is set a precedent for selling street works BUT no-one with £750k to spare will buy any of his grubby merchandise unless they know there's a resale value in it... that's what makes it an 'investment'. They'd not be able to sell a Banksy street piece on in the future and turn a profit because 'mainstream' auction houses won't touch them with a bargepole - because the artist will never authenticate them. Wise up Barton, you're not cut out to be in the art business... go back to ringing cars - you wide boy scum (hope you're reading this you moron)
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Banksy Slave Labour, by tartarus on Jun 3, 2013 20:40:19 GMT 1, Lol go anorak!
Lol go anorak!
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 21:04:26 GMT 1, I'm sure there's a Heavy Weaponary stencil on the side of a building where I go on holiday sometimes.
It looks poorly executed, so I'm sure it's Banksy.
I'm sure there's a Heavy Weaponary stencil on the side of a building where I go on holiday sometimes.
It looks poorly executed, so I'm sure it's Banksy.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 21:41:39 GMT 1, I'm sure there's a Heavy Weaponary stencil on the side of a building where I go on holiday sometimes. It looks poorly executed, so I'm sure it's Banksy. sounds like a plan VL, i have a grinder knockin about somewhere, this time next year we could be millionaires Rodney!.
I'm sure there's a Heavy Weaponary stencil on the side of a building where I go on holiday sometimes. It looks poorly executed, so I'm sure it's Banksy. sounds like a plan VL, i have a grinder knockin about somewhere, this time next year we could be millionaires Rodney!.
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Banksy Slave Labour, by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 22:02:48 GMT 1, I have a grinder, I have to take her on holiday with me. She grinds everyone she meets who hitherto was one of my mates.
Nearer the time I'll send you a PM so we can share in the spoils or at the very least have a Chiringuito crawl down the coast......
I have a grinder, I have to take her on holiday with me. She grinds everyone she meets who hitherto was one of my mates.
Nearer the time I'll send you a PM so we can share in the spoils or at the very least have a Chiringuito crawl down the coast......
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