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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 9:37:18 GMT 1, I dont mean to direct this to you personally, but you mentioned it, and as i am just flowing through the last 100 posts thought i'd chuck in a quick question Is it a job or is it a hobby? when does a hobby become a job. how many people can actually draw a living wage from producing art? 1%? Higher, Lower? I'll go back and read the thread now Could it be both Job and Hobby?, a Jobby. It's a tough question really as I don't consider my art just a hobby any more. It pays for itself in terms of materials and a little extra for my time. I exhibit to sell too, however there is no way I could give up working full time to pursue it. What do others think?
It's in the grey area between job and hobby. A jobby it is.
I dont mean to direct this to you personally, but you mentioned it, and as i am just flowing through the last 100 posts thought i'd chuck in a quick question Is it a job or is it a hobby? when does a hobby become a job. how many people can actually draw a living wage from producing art? 1%? Higher, Lower? I'll go back and read the thread now Could it be both Job and Hobby?, a Jobby. It's a tough question really as I don't consider my art just a hobby any more. It pays for itself in terms of materials and a little extra for my time. I exhibit to sell too, however there is no way I could give up working full time to pursue it. What do others think? It's in the grey area between job and hobby. A jobby it is.
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Gard
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Gard on Jul 11, 2013 10:00:38 GMT 1, Up and coming street art is not that expensive compared to up and coming contemporary IMO. I think the reason for that is the (often) lack of education in street art. People with education often gets paid more (in the rest of the job market). So today more and more street artists take an education and the general prices rise.
Up and coming street art is not that expensive compared to up and coming contemporary IMO. I think the reason for that is the (often) lack of education in street art. People with education often gets paid more (in the rest of the job market). So today more and more street artists take an education and the general prices rise.
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Simococo
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Simococo on Jul 12, 2013 8:27:17 GMT 1, Street art prices at primary are on the whole daft and driven by short term gain.
Street art prices at primary are on the whole daft and driven by short term gain.
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jamila12
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by jamila12 on Aug 27, 2013 0:57:04 GMT 1, Mau mau's show was brilliant at the West Bank, a great example also The ryca show was brilliant, Ryan had something for everyone's budget, from ยฃ50 to ยฃ3000 for a huge sculpted piece. eelus himself sold me a hand sprayed canvas for ยฃ500 last year.flip that with the gallery i contacted trying to sell me a dal east small canvas for ยฃ4500 at 60mm-60mm ( as far as i know its still for sale), i know he is popular but hardly well known to charge that amount, I know its not him charging it, but he did direct me to the gallery.Would it not be better if he sold cheaper so he gains a bigger fan base. Or maybe he is trying to appeal to a smaller wealthier market? Here is another landmine for us artists. With the current gallery and art market system in place you would think it would benefit us artists to work direct with collectors and gain a wider audience. It makes perfect sense, but unfortunately and especially for a new artist this is not a wise choice. Well maybe it is for some, but for those looking to actually move higher and higher into the artworld it is tough to do if you have a history selling direct or out of your studio. You can reach so far but you set your ceiling so to say. Selling direct hurts collectors that bought at full price and also gives artists a black eye with galleries. We are in a catch 22 in this situation. You are right there are plenty of artists that will answer your emails and sell direct, not many care and everyone has their way of doing business. I can see the collectors point of view and I see the galleries, I donโt choose one over the other. I personally choose to keep things within the honor system. If I show a work with a gallery and get contacted within a reasonable time I give them the chance to sell it and earn the commission even if I could have sold it myself. To me even if galleries arenโt honorable I will always try to be. My word will hopefully be good with the right gallery one day. Some artists choose to work their way up the gallery system and stay within its unwritten rules so to say. This of course if not beneficial when we get approached directly for sales. Of course I can make a few quik bucks but at what cost. I dont want to haggle with a collector who in the end could just be waisting my time. Most times those that approach you are banking on the fact that you get 50% of the retail and automatically want this price. The reason why an artist gives up any commission is due to many factors. I dont see how anyone can think they are due the same price without ever supporting or giving you an opportunity. There are many artists that will sell anything to anyone and it works for them. So to each there own I guess. I just want to let you know guys know maybe why some artists would pass up a for sure sale. There is no right way I guess but in the end we all have different goals and mine as an artist is to make sure I keep things at an even playing field for everyone. If a collector believes in me then they will have to pay retail. It sucks that I only get a percentage but I didnโt build the gallery system. There will be times when I will be able to dictate my terms but as a rising artist it is not now. There are works that I make specifically for lower end prices like collage pieces and my abstract work on paper but it still will be sold in some type of show. Prints are the best way I guess to really build a larger audience but I dont see much weight in most prints nowadays. I know I covered a lot but I am interested in your thoughts on the above. Is this a naรฏve mentality. Do you guys see the long term aspect of an artist trying to rise the gallery system to a gallery that can actually get them in a museum someday with proper curation. Wouldnโt this be beneficial for collectors such as yourselves in the long term.
Mau mau's show was brilliant at the West Bank, a great example also The ryca show was brilliant, Ryan had something for everyone's budget, from ยฃ50 to ยฃ3000 for a huge sculpted piece. eelus himself sold me a hand sprayed canvas for ยฃ500 last year.flip that with the gallery i contacted trying to sell me a dal east small canvas for ยฃ4500 at 60mm-60mm ( as far as i know its still for sale), i know he is popular but hardly well known to charge that amount, I know its not him charging it, but he did direct me to the gallery.Would it not be better if he sold cheaper so he gains a bigger fan base. Or maybe he is trying to appeal to a smaller wealthier market? Here is another landmine for us artists. With the current gallery and art market system in place you would think it would benefit us artists to work direct with collectors and gain a wider audience. It makes perfect sense, but unfortunately and especially for a new artist this is not a wise choice. Well maybe it is for some, but for those looking to actually move higher and higher into the artworld it is tough to do if you have a history selling direct or out of your studio. You can reach so far but you set your ceiling so to say. Selling direct hurts collectors that bought at full price and also gives artists a black eye with galleries. We are in a catch 22 in this situation. You are right there are plenty of artists that will answer your emails and sell direct, not many care and everyone has their way of doing business. I can see the collectors point of view and I see the galleries, I donโt choose one over the other. I personally choose to keep things within the honor system. If I show a work with a gallery and get contacted within a reasonable time I give them the chance to sell it and earn the commission even if I could have sold it myself. To me even if galleries arenโt honorable I will always try to be. My word will hopefully be good with the right gallery one day. Some artists choose to work their way up the gallery system and stay within its unwritten rules so to say. This of course if not beneficial when we get approached directly for sales. Of course I can make a few quik bucks but at what cost. I dont want to haggle with a collector who in the end could just be waisting my time. Most times those that approach you are banking on the fact that you get 50% of the retail and automatically want this price. The reason why an artist gives up any commission is due to many factors. I dont see how anyone can think they are due the same price without ever supporting or giving you an opportunity. There are many artists that will sell anything to anyone and it works for them. So to each there own I guess. I just want to let you know guys know maybe why some artists would pass up a for sure sale. There is no right way I guess but in the end we all have different goals and mine as an artist is to make sure I keep things at an even playing field for everyone. If a collector believes in me then they will have to pay retail. It sucks that I only get a percentage but I didnโt build the gallery system. There will be times when I will be able to dictate my terms but as a rising artist it is not now. There are works that I make specifically for lower end prices like collage pieces and my abstract work on paper but it still will be sold in some type of show. Prints are the best way I guess to really build a larger audience but I dont see much weight in most prints nowadays. I know I covered a lot but I am interested in your thoughts on the above. Is this a naรฏve mentality. Do you guys see the long term aspect of an artist trying to rise the gallery system to a gallery that can actually get them in a museum someday with proper curation. Wouldnโt this be beneficial for collectors such as yourselves in the long term.
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