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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by dazarino on Jul 9, 2013 23:11:10 GMT 1, So I've been collecting for a while now and a few years ago I found well established street art pieces were still quite good value for money,I have found lately that prices have risen damatically especially from up and coming artists, just like to know what you guys think?
So I've been collecting for a while now and a few years ago I found well established street art pieces were still quite good value for money,I have found lately that prices have risen damatically especially from up and coming artists, just like to know what you guys think?
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by randomname on Jul 9, 2013 23:20:51 GMT 1, Demand has increased. More people learn about new artists through social media faster than ever before. With higher demand, comes higher prices. Can't really blame the artists for charging what their work will sell for.
Demand has increased. More people learn about new artists through social media faster than ever before. With higher demand, comes higher prices. Can't really blame the artists for charging what their work will sell for.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by alexnh123 on Jul 9, 2013 23:22:45 GMT 1, Interest and therefore demand has increased for 'street art' in general I would have thought. Perhaps artists generally have more confidence in themselves, their work and the market than they might have done say 5 years ago. Like anything they've seen how the game is played and can jump ahead a few steps now they know where they're headed.
Interest and therefore demand has increased for 'street art' in general I would have thought. Perhaps artists generally have more confidence in themselves, their work and the market than they might have done say 5 years ago. Like anything they've seen how the game is played and can jump ahead a few steps now they know where they're headed.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 23:25:53 GMT 1, I wonder how many more up up and coming artists would sell more prints and build more of a solid fan base if they lowered their prices a bit.
Many people would be much more wiling to 'give someone a go' and grow to like their work if the initial price wasn't so high.
I wonder how many more up up and coming artists would sell more prints and build more of a solid fan base if they lowered their prices a bit.
Many people would be much more wiling to 'give someone a go' and grow to like their work if the initial price wasn't so high.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by dazarino on Jul 9, 2013 23:30:45 GMT 1, I have been to a few shows this year and what has amazed me is the up and coming artists originals are now in some cases more expensive than their well known peers, ok they are not selling but I'm feeling the market is getting saturated with overpriced art
I have been to a few shows this year and what has amazed me is the up and coming artists originals are now in some cases more expensive than their well known peers, ok they are not selling but I'm feeling the market is getting saturated with overpriced art
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by DameHoracia on Jul 9, 2013 23:41:44 GMT 1, Is it being greedy? Or just being more aware of what your work is worth on the open market and it's only worth what someone will pay for it whether your Banksy or Delbert from Harlesden. It seems to me when 'original art' or 'prints' are being sold for huge amounts by galleries/and established artists for an ink jet (giclee)with a few added doodles (if that) and people are aware yet are still prepared to buy at those inflated prices, why wouldn't up and coming artists view that as a good enough reason to sell originals for large amounts too.
Is it being greedy? Or just being more aware of what your work is worth on the open market and it's only worth what someone will pay for it whether your Banksy or Delbert from Harlesden. It seems to me when 'original art' or 'prints' are being sold for huge amounts by galleries/and established artists for an ink jet (giclee)with a few added doodles (if that) and people are aware yet are still prepared to buy at those inflated prices, why wouldn't up and coming artists view that as a good enough reason to sell originals for large amounts too.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by nex on Jul 9, 2013 23:43:12 GMT 1, You'll have to name names and gallery's for this thread to make any sense
You'll have to name names and gallery's for this thread to make any sense
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Poesia on Jul 10, 2013 1:43:33 GMT 1, You have to understand coming from an artist one of the hardest or most difficult things to do is pricing your own art. Or say, knowing your worth. Artists will either be too cheap and regret it or too expensive and regret it. I try to ask as many people as I can, contemporaries, galleries, collectors to get some feedback and then I make an educated guess. That being said many artists might feel that there work is better than some of their contemporaries so they should get paid more. Maybe this is true maybe not. Every artists will tell you its a feeling out period with prices especially for upcoming artists.
Every artist has a different approach to this and I agree with some of the points above, there are some outrageous prices being paid for subpar artists who you dont even know if they will be around in 5 years from now. I personally feel a steady rise is the most stable in the long run.
You have to understand coming from an artist one of the hardest or most difficult things to do is pricing your own art. Or say, knowing your worth. Artists will either be too cheap and regret it or too expensive and regret it. I try to ask as many people as I can, contemporaries, galleries, collectors to get some feedback and then I make an educated guess. That being said many artists might feel that there work is better than some of their contemporaries so they should get paid more. Maybe this is true maybe not. Every artists will tell you its a feeling out period with prices especially for upcoming artists.
Every artist has a different approach to this and I agree with some of the points above, there are some outrageous prices being paid for subpar artists who you dont even know if they will be around in 5 years from now. I personally feel a steady rise is the most stable in the long run.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by gatecrasher on Jul 10, 2013 5:46:23 GMT 1, Delbert from Harlesden OG ยฃยฃยฃ waiting
Delbert from Harlesden OG ยฃยฃยฃ waiting
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 7:05:21 GMT 1, You have to understand coming from an artist one of the hardest or most difficult things to do is pricing your own art. Or say, knowing your worth. Artists will either be too cheap and regret it or too expensive and regret it. I try to ask as many people as I can, contemporaries, galleries, collectors to get some feedback and then I make an educated guess. That being said many artists might feel that there work is better than some of their contemporaries so they should get paid more. Maybe this is true maybe not. Every artists will tell you its a feeling out period with prices especially for upcoming artists. Every artist has a different approach to this and I agree with some of the points above, there are some outrageous prices being paid for subpar artists who you dont even know if they will be around in 5 years from now. I personally feel a steady rise is the most stable in the long run.
Choe said in an interview that he used to sell his art cheap at the beginning and nobody wanted it. Then if move to three-digits price and everybody started to have an interest in his work. So for many, high price means exclusivity and that's what people (and especially rich people) want, it's like buying an expensive car or house, just to show off.
Agree, most of artists are doing poor/average overpriced art but I guess they all align their prices with the current market (which has indeed more and more overpriced price) and as recommended by middle-men (curators, gallerists).
Sadly, in my knowledge, there is not a single artist who do real "cheap art for the mass" aside, that is who can't sell original at high price but at the same time can produce large edition at cheap price to satisfy the mass... oh yes, there is one, Obey !! And that's why I appreciate Fairey, doing art for the mass with strong message.
Funny to see that also here in Kenya we have a huge price rise in artwork thanks to arrival of foreign curators (the new sheriff in town like artist call them). They arrive here, do a bit of social linking, buy a bit of stock at very low price, then write press article on how African art is the net big thing (getting published in NY Times, Guardian, etc.) and organise African auctions in Bonhams; then they buy more stock as registered company (for tax purpose, declare as assets)... and they continue doing more and more press articles. And since art is relatively new in Kenya, artists who are much less confident then artists in Europe, have nothing to say, they just follow, producing one (average) piece every month that will be sell at high price (1000 - 1500 euros)... and they totally miss the merchandising-side.
Merchandising is daily bread of artists
You have to understand coming from an artist one of the hardest or most difficult things to do is pricing your own art. Or say, knowing your worth. Artists will either be too cheap and regret it or too expensive and regret it. I try to ask as many people as I can, contemporaries, galleries, collectors to get some feedback and then I make an educated guess. That being said many artists might feel that there work is better than some of their contemporaries so they should get paid more. Maybe this is true maybe not. Every artists will tell you its a feeling out period with prices especially for upcoming artists. Every artist has a different approach to this and I agree with some of the points above, there are some outrageous prices being paid for subpar artists who you dont even know if they will be around in 5 years from now. I personally feel a steady rise is the most stable in the long run. Totally true !! Choe said in an interview that he used to sell his art cheap at the beginning and nobody wanted it. Then if move to three-digits price and everybody started to have an interest in his work. So for many, high price means exclusivity and that's what people (and especially rich people) want, it's like buying an expensive car or house, just to show off. Agree, most of artists are doing poor/average overpriced art but I guess they all align their prices with the current market (which has indeed more and more overpriced price) and as recommended by middle-men (curators, gallerists). Sadly, in my knowledge, there is not a single artist who do real "cheap art for the mass" aside, that is who can't sell original at high price but at the same time can produce large edition at cheap price to satisfy the mass... oh yes, there is one, Obey !! And that's why I appreciate Fairey, doing art for the mass with strong message. Funny to see that also here in Kenya we have a huge price rise in artwork thanks to arrival of foreign curators (the new sheriff in town like artist call them). They arrive here, do a bit of social linking, buy a bit of stock at very low price, then write press article on how African art is the net big thing (getting published in NY Times, Guardian, etc.) and organise African auctions in Bonhams; then they buy more stock as registered company (for tax purpose, declare as assets)... and they continue doing more and more press articles. And since art is relatively new in Kenya, artists who are much less confident then artists in Europe, have nothing to say, they just follow, producing one (average) piece every month that will be sell at high price (1000 - 1500 euros)... and they totally miss the merchandising-side. Merchandising is daily bread of artists |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Feral Things on Jul 10, 2013 7:14:26 GMT 1, Great post by Poesia above. The danger for an artist if they simply price their work according to what the market will bear is that if the market drops back down they're left in a situation where they either can't sell their work or they have to drop their prices in line with the market and, rightly or wrongly, many people are much less inclined to buy because the artists' reputation and career are seen to be in decline rather than holding firm or growing.
Back around 2008 lots of artists hiked their prices up and when the market fell back the Wooster Collective wrote a long piece expressing sympathy for the artists in that situation. But I don't think you can use the arguments of supply and demand to justify steep price increases when the times are good if you don't equally live by the harsh realities of supply and demand when the times are bad.
As Poesia says, slow and steady is often the best route. It gives people the time to learn and appreciate what a particular artist is about and avoids quickly alienating their existing fan base whose pockets may not be as deep.
Great post by Poesia above. The danger for an artist if they simply price their work according to what the market will bear is that if the market drops back down they're left in a situation where they either can't sell their work or they have to drop their prices in line with the market and, rightly or wrongly, many people are much less inclined to buy because the artists' reputation and career are seen to be in decline rather than holding firm or growing. Back around 2008 lots of artists hiked their prices up and when the market fell back the Wooster Collective wrote a long piece expressing sympathy for the artists in that situation. But I don't think you can use the arguments of supply and demand to justify steep price increases when the times are good if you don't equally live by the harsh realities of supply and demand when the times are bad. As Poesia says, slow and steady is often the best route. It gives people the time to learn and appreciate what a particular artist is about and avoids quickly alienating their existing fan base whose pockets may not be as deep. |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Shoot Again on Jul 10, 2013 8:08:01 GMT 1, Great post by Poesia above. The danger for an artist if they simply price their work according to what the market will bear is that if the market drops back down they're left in a situation where they either can't sell their work or they have to drop their prices in line with the market and, rightly or wrongly, many people are much less inclined to buy because the artists' reputation and career are seen to be in decline rather than holding firm or growing. Back around 2008 lots of artists hiked their prices up and when the market fell back the Wooster Collective wrote a long piece expressing sympathy for the artists in that situation. But I don't think you can use the arguments of supply and demand to justify steep price increases when the times are good if you don't equally live by the harsh realities of supply and demand when the times are bad. As Poesia says, slow and steady is often the best route. It gives people the time to learn and appreciate what a particular artist is about and avoids quickly alienating their existing fan base whose pockets may not be as deep.
Great post by Poesia above. The danger for an artist if they simply price their work according to what the market will bear is that if the market drops back down they're left in a situation where they either can't sell their work or they have to drop their prices in line with the market and, rightly or wrongly, many people are much less inclined to buy because the artists' reputation and career are seen to be in decline rather than holding firm or growing. Back around 2008 lots of artists hiked their prices up and when the market fell back the Wooster Collective wrote a long piece expressing sympathy for the artists in that situation. But I don't think you can use the arguments of supply and demand to justify steep price increases when the times are good if you don't equally live by the harsh realities of supply and demand when the times are bad. As Poesia says, slow and steady is often the best route. It gives people the time to learn and appreciate what a particular artist is about and avoids quickly alienating their existing fan base whose pockets may not be as deep. C515 is a good example of a successful and recognized artist apllying that rule ("very gentle increase") to himself ;-) |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Feral Things on Jul 10, 2013 9:03:16 GMT 1, C515 is a good example of a successful and recognized artist apllying that rule ("very gentle increase") to himself ;-)
Indeed. I suspect it was tempting for him to hike his prices after the Cans Festival or after those strong auction results he got but I think in the long term he's much better off with the approach he's taken.
The other thing I forgot to mention on my previous post is that unless you're Kid Bill you're still gonna need to make rent and feed your kids so I certainly don't begrudge many of the artists the prices they charge. Like Poesia says, it's a very difficult judgement to make.
C515 is a good example of a successful and recognized artist apllying that rule ("very gentle increase") to himself ;-) Indeed. I suspect it was tempting for him to hike his prices after the Cans Festival or after those strong auction results he got but I think in the long term he's much better off with the approach he's taken. The other thing I forgot to mention on my previous post is that unless you're Kid Bill you're still gonna need to make rent and feed your kids so I certainly don't begrudge many of the artists the prices they charge. Like Poesia says, it's a very difficult judgement to make. |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 9:25:16 GMT 1, Shoot Again - Yep, that's one thing which is appreciable with C215, price have been steady and he doesn't mind producing old stencil again and again for small exhibition. Never bought an OG of C215 but I doubt they are numbered with COA  And he still has the street spirit, that is doing more in street than in-house. Although, he did very few prints which is surprising considering the fans and the demand.
Shoot Again - Yep, that's one thing which is appreciable with C215, price have been steady and he doesn't mind producing old stencil again and again for small exhibition. Never bought an OG of C215 but I doubt they are numbered with COA And he still has the street spirit, that is doing more in street than in-house. Although, he did very few prints which is surprising considering the fans and the demand.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by RolexDave on Jul 10, 2013 9:28:33 GMT 1, C515 is a good example of a successful and recognized artist apllying that rule ("very gentle increase") to himself ;-) 
C515 is a good example of a successful and recognized artist apllying that rule ("very gentle increase") to himself ;-) C515? Is he the new improved version of C215? |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 9:44:57 GMT 1, How about Mau Mau. Now there's an established and well respected artist who prices his prints at a very reasonable amount.
I don't see why someone who's just starting out feels that they can charge double what Mau Mau does for a print.
How about Mau Mau. Now there's an established and well respected artist who prices his prints at a very reasonable amount.
I don't see why someone who's just starting out feels that they can charge double what Mau Mau does for a print.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by dazarino on Jul 10, 2013 9:50:30 GMT 1, Mau mau's show was brilliant at the West Bank, a great example also The ryca show was brilliant, Ryan had something for everyone's budget, from ยฃ50 to ยฃ3000 for a huge sculpted piece. eelus himself sold me a hand sprayed canvas for ยฃ500 last year.flip that with the gallery i contacted trying to sell me a dal east small canvas for ยฃ4500 at 60mm-60mm ( as far as i know its still for sale), i know he is popular but hardly well known to charge that amount, I know its not him charging it, but he did direct me to the gallery.Would it not be better if he sold cheaper so he gains a bigger fan base. Or maybe he is trying to appeal to a smaller wealthier market?
Mau mau's show was brilliant at the West Bank, a great example also The ryca show was brilliant, Ryan had something for everyone's budget, from ยฃ50 to ยฃ3000 for a huge sculpted piece. eelus himself sold me a hand sprayed canvas for ยฃ500 last year.flip that with the gallery i contacted trying to sell me a dal east small canvas for ยฃ4500 at 60mm-60mm ( as far as i know its still for sale), i know he is popular but hardly well known to charge that amount, I know its not him charging it, but he did direct me to the gallery.Would it not be better if he sold cheaper so he gains a bigger fan base. Or maybe he is trying to appeal to a smaller wealthier market?
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Happy Shopper on Jul 10, 2013 10:05:31 GMT 1, As a good example of new artists/high prices, check out the new Stolen Space group show PDF!
They're originals, not prints, but I still had this feeling of "I don't know who these people are, so why would I pay ยฃ1000s for their work".
As a good example of new artists/high prices, check out the new Stolen Space group show PDF!
They're originals, not prints, but I still had this feeling of "I don't know who these people are, so why would I pay ยฃ1000s for their work".
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 10:37:23 GMT 1, Dont like = Dont buy.
Reckon its summat to do with Gallery owners (some) raking it in while they can without giving a shit about the Artists future career.
Dont like = Dont buy.
Reckon its summat to do with Gallery owners (some) raking it in while they can without giving a shit about the Artists future career.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Poesia on Jul 10, 2013 11:01:24 GMT 1, Mau mau's show was brilliant at the West Bank, a great example also The ryca show was brilliant, Ryan had something for everyone's budget, from ยฃ50 to ยฃ3000 for a huge sculpted piece. eelus himself sold me a hand sprayed canvas for ยฃ500 last year.flip that with the gallery i contacted trying to sell me a dal east small canvas for ยฃ4500 at 60mm-60mm ( as far as i know its still for sale), i know he is popular but hardly well known to charge that amount, I know its not him charging it, but he did direct me to the gallery.Would it not be better if he sold cheaper so he gains a bigger fan base. Or maybe he is trying to appeal to a smaller wealthier market?
Here is another landmine for us artists. With the current gallery and art market system in place you would think it would benefit us artists to work direct with collectors and gain a wider audience. It makes perfect sense, but unfortunately and especially for a new artist this is not a wise choice. Well maybe it is for some, but for those looking to actually move higher and higher into the artworld it is tough to do if you have a history selling direct or out of your studio. You can reach so far but you set your ceiling so to say. Selling direct hurts collectors that bought at full price and also gives artists a black eye with galleries.
We are in a catch 22 in this situation. You are right there are plenty of artists that will answer your emails and sell direct, not many care and everyone has their way of doing business. I can see the collectors point of view and I see the galleries, I donโt choose one over the other. I personally choose to keep things within the honor system. If I show a work with a gallery and get contacted within a reasonable time I give them the chance to sell it and earn the commission even if I could have sold it myself. To me even if galleries arenโt honorable I will always try to be. My word will hopefully be good with the right gallery one day. Some artists choose to work their way up the gallery system and stay within its unwritten rules so to say. This of course if not beneficial when we get approached directly for sales. Of course I can make a few quik bucks but at what cost. I dont want to haggle with a collector who in the end could just be waisting my time. Most times those that approach you are banking on the fact that you get 50% of the retail and automatically want this price. The reason why an artist gives up any commission is due to many factors. I dont see how anyone can think they are due the same price without ever supporting or giving you an opportunity. There are many artists that will sell anything to anyone and it works for them. So to each there own I guess. I just want to let you know guys know maybe why some artists would pass up a for sure sale.
There is no right way I guess but in the end we all have different goals and mine as an artist is to make sure I keep things at an even playing field for everyone. If a collector believes in me then they will have to pay retail. It sucks that I only get a percentage but I didnโt build the gallery system. There will be times when I will be able to dictate my terms but as a rising artist it is not now. There are works that I make specifically for lower end prices like collage pieces and my abstract work on paper but it still will be sold in some type of show. Prints are the best way I guess to really build a larger audience but I dont see much weight in most prints nowadays.
I know I covered a lot but I am interested in your thoughts on the above. Is this a naรฏve mentality. Do you guys see the long term aspect of an artist trying to rise the gallery system to a gallery that can actually get them in a museum someday with proper curation. Wouldnโt this be beneficial for collectors such as yourselves in the long term.
Mau mau's show was brilliant at the West Bank, a great example also The ryca show was brilliant, Ryan had something for everyone's budget, from ยฃ50 to ยฃ3000 for a huge sculpted piece. eelus himself sold me a hand sprayed canvas for ยฃ500 last year.flip that with the gallery i contacted trying to sell me a dal east small canvas for ยฃ4500 at 60mm-60mm ( as far as i know its still for sale), i know he is popular but hardly well known to charge that amount, I know its not him charging it, but he did direct me to the gallery.Would it not be better if he sold cheaper so he gains a bigger fan base. Or maybe he is trying to appeal to a smaller wealthier market? Here is another landmine for us artists. With the current gallery and art market system in place you would think it would benefit us artists to work direct with collectors and gain a wider audience. It makes perfect sense, but unfortunately and especially for a new artist this is not a wise choice. Well maybe it is for some, but for those looking to actually move higher and higher into the artworld it is tough to do if you have a history selling direct or out of your studio. You can reach so far but you set your ceiling so to say. Selling direct hurts collectors that bought at full price and also gives artists a black eye with galleries. We are in a catch 22 in this situation. You are right there are plenty of artists that will answer your emails and sell direct, not many care and everyone has their way of doing business. I can see the collectors point of view and I see the galleries, I donโt choose one over the other. I personally choose to keep things within the honor system. If I show a work with a gallery and get contacted within a reasonable time I give them the chance to sell it and earn the commission even if I could have sold it myself. To me even if galleries arenโt honorable I will always try to be. My word will hopefully be good with the right gallery one day. Some artists choose to work their way up the gallery system and stay within its unwritten rules so to say. This of course if not beneficial when we get approached directly for sales. Of course I can make a few quik bucks but at what cost. I dont want to haggle with a collector who in the end could just be waisting my time. Most times those that approach you are banking on the fact that you get 50% of the retail and automatically want this price. The reason why an artist gives up any commission is due to many factors. I dont see how anyone can think they are due the same price without ever supporting or giving you an opportunity. There are many artists that will sell anything to anyone and it works for them. So to each there own I guess. I just want to let you know guys know maybe why some artists would pass up a for sure sale. There is no right way I guess but in the end we all have different goals and mine as an artist is to make sure I keep things at an even playing field for everyone. If a collector believes in me then they will have to pay retail. It sucks that I only get a percentage but I didnโt build the gallery system. There will be times when I will be able to dictate my terms but as a rising artist it is not now. There are works that I make specifically for lower end prices like collage pieces and my abstract work on paper but it still will be sold in some type of show. Prints are the best way I guess to really build a larger audience but I dont see much weight in most prints nowadays. I know I covered a lot but I am interested in your thoughts on the above. Is this a naรฏve mentality. Do you guys see the long term aspect of an artist trying to rise the gallery system to a gallery that can actually get them in a museum someday with proper curation. Wouldnโt this be beneficial for collectors such as yourselves in the long term. |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by dazarino on Jul 10, 2013 11:04:20 GMT 1, I do know that galleries like art republic do take a huge amount from the artists to showcase their work, but I suppose that's buisness
I do know that galleries like art republic do take a huge amount from the artists to showcase their work, but I suppose that's buisness
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Shoot Again on Jul 10, 2013 11:07:20 GMT 1, C515 is a good example of a successful and recognized artist apllying that rule ("very gentle increase") to himself ;-) C515? Is he the new improved version of C215?
C515 is a good example of a successful and recognized artist apllying that rule ("very gentle increase") to himself ;-) C515? Is he the new improved version of C215? Christian is getting better every day... next stop ... 715 ! ;-) |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 12:14:19 GMT 1, It's a tough old game with artists trying to get what they feel their work deserves. I find it incredibly difficult myself with getting a fair price for my time and materials.
I am trying to figure out how best to move forward with pricing. I like to keep the price at the gallery the same as it would be out of my studio. This means taking a hit from the gallery commission, but it also means galleries don't like it when I want to shift old work at a reduced rate.
I don't think the artist's trying to break through are being greedy though (in most cases), I feel they are trying to get by as best as possible. It after all their job.
It's a tough old game with artists trying to get what they feel their work deserves. I find it incredibly difficult myself with getting a fair price for my time and materials.
I am trying to figure out how best to move forward with pricing. I like to keep the price at the gallery the same as it would be out of my studio. This means taking a hit from the gallery commission, but it also means galleries don't like it when I want to shift old work at a reduced rate.
I don't think the artist's trying to break through are being greedy though (in most cases), I feel they are trying to get by as best as possible. It after all their job.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by BKBOI on Jul 10, 2013 16:19:19 GMT 1, I can definitely tell you why Bambi has been pricing her prints/OGs at that level. She is the female Banksy.
I can definitely tell you why Bambi has been pricing her prints/OGs at that level. She is the female Banksy.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by tuftynuts on Jul 10, 2013 16:32:58 GMT 1, Bambi is also Paloma Faith in a balaclava. Or the Netto Amy Winehouse. Whichever you prefer.
Here's what Bambi/Paloma/Netto Amy says: โI let my work speak for itself. But dreams can inspire me and I am particularly interested in people who spread love and joyโฆโ
No mention of money here.
Bambi is also Paloma Faith in a balaclava. Or the Netto Amy Winehouse. Whichever you prefer.
Here's what Bambi/Paloma/Netto Amy says: โI let my work speak for itself. But dreams can inspire me and I am particularly interested in people who spread love and joyโฆโ
No mention of money here.
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Manty on Jul 10, 2013 17:50:47 GMT 1, It's a tough old game with artists trying to get what they feel their work deserves. I find it incredibly difficult myself with getting a fair price for my time and materials. I am trying to figure out how best to move forward with pricing. I like to keep the price at the gallery the same as it would be out of my studio. This means taking a hit from the gallery commission, but it also means galleries don't like it when I want to shift old work at a reduced rate. I don't think the artist's trying to break through are being greedy though (in most cases), I feel they are trying to get by as best as possible. It after all their job.
Is it a job or is it a hobby? when does a hobby become a job.
how many people can actually draw a living wage from producing art? 1%? Higher, Lower?
I'll go back and read the thread now
It's a tough old game with artists trying to get what they feel their work deserves. I find it incredibly difficult myself with getting a fair price for my time and materials. I am trying to figure out how best to move forward with pricing. I like to keep the price at the gallery the same as it would be out of my studio. This means taking a hit from the gallery commission, but it also means galleries don't like it when I want to shift old work at a reduced rate. I don't think the artist's trying to break through are being greedy though (in most cases), I feel they are trying to get by as best as possible. It after all their job. I dont mean to direct this to you personally, but you mentioned it, and as i am just flowing through the last 100 posts thought i'd chuck in a quick question Is it a job or is it a hobby? when does a hobby become a job. how many people can actually draw a living wage from producing art? 1%? Higher, Lower? I'll go back and read the thread now |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Manty on Jul 10, 2013 18:03:28 GMT 1, Ok, read it
I think artists if selling direct should be at the gallery price, silly not to. That way they can make more money and not 'upset' things.
I think there are galleries and galleries, there are many new guys chucking some cash at setting up a gallery, and creaming cash off the sweat of artists, with no clue how to get them above the 'odd show and piss up'. Though having said that without these guys a lot of artists possibly wouldn't have a chance of getting'known'
The market is massively diluted, might always have been?
Its got to be a tough way to earn money, your work is there to be slagged off at will.
Must be a good buzz when you know something you have worked hard on is now sat proudly above someones fireplace
Anyhow I have confused myself
Good luck to all and one
Ok, read it
I think artists if selling direct should be at the gallery price, silly not to. That way they can make more money and not 'upset' things.
I think there are galleries and galleries, there are many new guys chucking some cash at setting up a gallery, and creaming cash off the sweat of artists, with no clue how to get them above the 'odd show and piss up'. Though having said that without these guys a lot of artists possibly wouldn't have a chance of getting'known'
The market is massively diluted, might always have been?
Its got to be a tough way to earn money, your work is there to be slagged off at will.
Must be a good buzz when you know something you have worked hard on is now sat proudly above someones fireplace
Anyhow I have confused myself
Good luck to all and one
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 18:29:45 GMT 1, It's a tough old game with artists trying to get what they feel their work deserves. I find it incredibly difficult myself with getting a fair price for my time and materials. I am trying to figure out how best to move forward with pricing. I like to keep the price at the gallery the same as it would be out of my studio. This means taking a hit from the gallery commission, but it also means galleries don't like it when I want to shift old work at a reduced rate. I don't think the artist's trying to break through are being greedy though (in most cases), I feel they are trying to get by as best as possible. It after all their job. I dont mean to direct this to you personally, but you mentioned it, and as i am just flowing through the last 100 posts thought i'd chuck in a quick question Is it a job or is it a hobby? when does a hobby become a job. how many people can actually draw a living wage from producing art? 1%? Higher, Lower? I'll go back and read the thread now
It's a tough old game with artists trying to get what they feel their work deserves. I find it incredibly difficult myself with getting a fair price for my time and materials. I am trying to figure out how best to move forward with pricing. I like to keep the price at the gallery the same as it would be out of my studio. This means taking a hit from the gallery commission, but it also means galleries don't like it when I want to shift old work at a reduced rate. I don't think the artist's trying to break through are being greedy though (in most cases), I feel they are trying to get by as best as possible. It after all their job. I dont mean to direct this to you personally, but you mentioned it, and as i am just flowing through the last 100 posts thought i'd chuck in a quick question Is it a job or is it a hobby? when does a hobby become a job. how many people can actually draw a living wage from producing art? 1%? Higher, Lower? I'll go back and read the thread now Could it be both Job and Hobby?, a Jobby. |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Stoko on Jul 10, 2013 20:13:38 GMT 1, You have to understand coming from an artist one of the hardest or most difficult things to do is pricing your own art. Or say, knowing your worth. Artists will either be too cheap and regret it or too expensive and regret it. I try to ask as many people as I can, contemporaries, galleries, collectors to get some feedback and then I make an educated guess. That being said many artists might feel that there work is better than some of their contemporaries so they should get paid more. Maybe this is true maybe not. Every artists will tell you its a feeling out period with prices especially for upcoming artists. Every artist has a different approach to this and I agree with some of the points above, there are some outrageous prices being paid for subpar artists who you dont even know if they will be around in 5 years from now. I personally feel a steady rise is the most stable in the long run.
I give my art away or sell it ridiculously cheaply. Therefore my art is not in demand or talked about as it has little worth. Fortunately, it's not very good either so this suits all parties.
You have to understand coming from an artist one of the hardest or most difficult things to do is pricing your own art. Or say, knowing your worth. Artists will either be too cheap and regret it or too expensive and regret it. I try to ask as many people as I can, contemporaries, galleries, collectors to get some feedback and then I make an educated guess. That being said many artists might feel that there work is better than some of their contemporaries so they should get paid more. Maybe this is true maybe not. Every artists will tell you its a feeling out period with prices especially for upcoming artists. Every artist has a different approach to this and I agree with some of the points above, there are some outrageous prices being paid for subpar artists who you dont even know if they will be around in 5 years from now. I personally feel a steady rise is the most stable in the long run. This. In a nutshell. I give my art away or sell it ridiculously cheaply. Therefore my art is not in demand or talked about as it has little worth. Fortunately, it's not very good either so this suits all parties. |
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Are up and coming artists getting to greedy?, by Deleted on Jul 10, 2013 20:20:48 GMT 1, Er, dont knock your Artworks fella!, its all subjective,just because some art is really expensive doesnt make it better does it?, ie. Parla is all just squiggles to me,Antony Collings does it better FOR ME, dont do yourself down, imo there is no right or wrong art.
Just because we like some Art thats out there but expensive, we dont have to buy it do we?, there always something else comes along.
If i like a work but cant afford it then thats that. Its always good to try and buy from the Artist IMO but i can see why some Artists dont want that and prefer to Gallery their works.
Er, dont knock your Artworks fella!, its all subjective,just because some art is really expensive doesnt make it better does it?, ie. Parla is all just squiggles to me,Antony Collings does it better FOR ME, dont do yourself down, imo there is no right or wrong art.
Just because we like some Art thats out there but expensive, we dont have to buy it do we?, there always something else comes along.
If i like a work but cant afford it then thats that. Its always good to try and buy from the Artist IMO but i can see why some Artists dont want that and prefer to Gallery their works.
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And he still has the street spirit, that is doing more in street than in-house. Although, he did very few prints which is surprising considering the fans and the demand.
