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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 0:38:41 GMT 1, I haven't met one person that thinks this is a good idea (and I think it's a stinker), yet it's full speed ahead.
Be interested to see/read other users thoughts.
I haven't met one person that thinks this is a good idea (and I think it's a stinker), yet it's full speed ahead.
Be interested to see/read other users thoughts.
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Dr Plip on Jul 11, 2013 0:59:21 GMT 1, I haven't met one person that thinks this is a good idea (and I think it's a stinker), yet it's full speed ahead. Be interested to see/read other users thoughts.
Bad idea.
Transport, utilities, mail, etc, should all be state owned.
I haven't met one person that thinks this is a good idea (and I think it's a stinker), yet it's full speed ahead. Be interested to see/read other users thoughts. Bad idea. Transport, utilities, mail, etc, should all be state owned. |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Daniel Silk on Jul 11, 2013 4:16:10 GMT 1, Im not sure if it will turn out to be a good move, but for sure the service has got worse and worse over the last 10 years. I remember when you got your post before 9am each morning, but now we get ours as late as 5pm, and it seems like they don't bother to deliver at all sometimes, just save it up for three or four days before delivery.
I just hope things get better and they start to realise the opertunities they have with the growth in online sales and the delivery.
Im not sure if it will turn out to be a good move, but for sure the service has got worse and worse over the last 10 years. I remember when you got your post before 9am each morning, but now we get ours as late as 5pm, and it seems like they don't bother to deliver at all sometimes, just save it up for three or four days before delivery.
I just hope things get better and they start to realise the opertunities they have with the growth in online sales and the delivery.
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 5:43:31 GMT 1, Seeing as the Royal Mail made some 334 million profit last year, selling it off for a once off cash boost seems short sighted
Seeing as the Royal Mail made some 334 million profit last year, selling it off for a once off cash boost seems short sighted
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by misterx on Jul 11, 2013 7:14:51 GMT 1, Goldman Sachs is overseeing the sale....what could go wrong?
Goldman Sachs is overseeing the sale....what could go wrong?
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 8:45:38 GMT 1, Water, energy/powere, education and the health service plus defense of course are the only real industries that should be state owned.
The postal service provides no real state benefits and ones that it did are not really postal service responsibilities.
Water and energy are already private which in my view they should not be.
The core business of the postal service is that of a private enterprise. It therefore is a poorly performing business and is also a poor state industry as it has to make a profit.
State industries make poor performing businesses and good businesses make poor social partners in general.
This is not a state industry in the modern world with the service it provides. Sell it and the best thing to do is buy the water power and back if you want to. People in general do not send letters to each other they email,text and phone so it's key role and function is delivering letters and parcels for business with the exception of Christmas.
Why would a business supplier be a state industry? When your water is owned and supplied by a private company!!!!!!
Interestingly the food chain with the exception of say china and I am sure poss others in all countries generally is in private hands. So your food is in private control but your worried about the letter you recieve from business.
This is just the wrong industry/business to be discussing the public private argument about unlike when it was set up
Water, energy/powere, education and the health service plus defense of course are the only real industries that should be state owned.
The postal service provides no real state benefits and ones that it did are not really postal service responsibilities.
Water and energy are already private which in my view they should not be.
The core business of the postal service is that of a private enterprise. It therefore is a poorly performing business and is also a poor state industry as it has to make a profit.
State industries make poor performing businesses and good businesses make poor social partners in general.
This is not a state industry in the modern world with the service it provides. Sell it and the best thing to do is buy the water power and back if you want to. People in general do not send letters to each other they email,text and phone so it's key role and function is delivering letters and parcels for business with the exception of Christmas.
Why would a business supplier be a state industry? When your water is owned and supplied by a private company!!!!!!
Interestingly the food chain with the exception of say china and I am sure poss others in all countries generally is in private hands. So your food is in private control but your worried about the letter you recieve from business.
This is just the wrong industry/business to be discussing the public private argument about unlike when it was set up
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Coach on Jul 11, 2013 8:54:07 GMT 1, Im not sure if it will turn out to be a good move, but for sure the service has got worse and worse over the last 10 years. I remember when you got your post before 9am each morning, but now we get ours as late as 5pm, and it seems like they don't bother to deliver at all sometimes, just save it up for three or four days before delivery. I just hope things get better and they start to realise the opertunities they have with the growth in online sales and the delivery.
This is not good news imo
Im not sure if it will turn out to be a good move, but for sure the service has got worse and worse over the last 10 years. I remember when you got your post before 9am each morning, but now we get ours as late as 5pm, and it seems like they don't bother to deliver at all sometimes, just save it up for three or four days before delivery. I just hope things get better and they start to realise the opertunities they have with the growth in online sales and the delivery. Rest assured that the service will decline (or cease) in any area found not to be profitable. This is not good news imo |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 9:11:38 GMT 1, True coach but they do very little in the community now already and in general they deliver things for business not from person to person.
True coach but they do very little in the community now already and in general they deliver things for business not from person to person.
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Coach on Jul 11, 2013 9:38:29 GMT 1, True coach but they do very little in the community now already and in general they deliver things for business not from person to person.
True coach but they do very little in the community now already and in general they deliver things for business not from person to person. But isn't that inevitable as a result of the proliferation of emails and texts. So the business for them is now mostly parcels due to increase in Internet shopping. My point is that if privatised the company will only concentrate on the profitable work and anything not profitable will be even less well served if at all. |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 9:49:52 GMT 1, True coach but they do very little in the community now already and in general they deliver things for business not from person to person.
As things stand people in isolated parts of the country can post and receive parcels for a fixed cost - a cost that would be the same if I sent a similar package to my neighbour. By changing the tariffs dependant on distance - which will invariably happen - then it will add to the cost of buying a product for some people.
Inevitably it will be us that pays; probably by higher prices. And then this is seen as an inevitable price to pay for opening up the market and we all blindly accept it. The good old free market wins again.
I do not have a problem with subsidising a state run postal system that works for all. Whether it currently does this at the present time is open to debate, but as Badrobot points out earlier it made a profit of 334 million last year which isn't a bad effort.
Will it benefit from competition? The argument that the free market leads to lower prices is a myth. Look at the energy industry, or the railways.
As I've touched on before, the real problem lies with the inability of any opposing forces to argue against this. We are living in a time where accountants and money are the over-riding factor in determing how we are allowed to view things. One only has to listen to news items which equates every thing to 'the cost to the taxpayer' to realise what's happening.
True coach but they do very little in the community now already and in general they deliver things for business not from person to person. But if they deliver things for business then surely this benefits us all by not having the costs directly passed on. As things stand people in isolated parts of the country can post and receive parcels for a fixed cost - a cost that would be the same if I sent a similar package to my neighbour. By changing the tariffs dependant on distance - which will invariably happen - then it will add to the cost of buying a product for some people. Inevitably it will be us that pays; probably by higher prices. And then this is seen as an inevitable price to pay for opening up the market and we all blindly accept it. The good old free market wins again. I do not have a problem with subsidising a state run postal system that works for all. Whether it currently does this at the present time is open to debate, but as Badrobot points out earlier it made a profit of 334 million last year which isn't a bad effort. Will it benefit from competition? The argument that the free market leads to lower prices is a myth. Look at the energy industry, or the railways. As I've touched on before, the real problem lies with the inability of any opposing forces to argue against this. We are living in a time where accountants and money are the over-riding factor in determing how we are allowed to view things. One only has to listen to news items which equates every thing to 'the cost to the taxpayer' to realise what's happening. |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 11:20:47 GMT 1, Water, energy/powere, education and the health service plus defense of course are the only real industries that should be state owned. The postal service provides no real state benefits and ones that it did are not really postal service responsibilities. Water and energy are already private which in my view they should not be. The core business of the postal service is that of a private enterprise. It therefore is a poorly performing business and is also a poor state industry as it has to make a profit. State industries make poor performing businesses and good businesses make poor social partners in general. This is not a state industry in the modern world with the service it provides. Sell it and the best thing to do is buy the water power and back if you want to. People in general do not send letters to each other they email,text and phone so it's key role and function is delivering letters and parcels for business with the exception of Christmas. Why would a business supplier be a state industry? When your water is owned and supplied by a private company!!!!!! Interestingly the food chain with the exception of say china and I am sure poss others in all countries generally is in private hands. So your food is in private control but your worried about the letter you recieve from business. This is just the wrong industry/business to be discussing the public private argument about unlike when it was set up
It isn't the wrong industry/business to be discussing thought.Just the latest.Look at how many replies this thread has.It's not being discussed/thought about by many.
It is discussing the public/private balance that just isn't happening either.
Tell the 130,000+ people employed by Royal Mail that it doesn't provide state benefits.
It made £300-400 million profit last year!
You say good businesses make poor social partners, which is absolutely true, so why the hell is the 'developed' world wanting to be ruled by business?
I agree with you 100% in regards to water/power/education/defence being state owned but not all of these are.
Haven't we learned anything?
I just hope this thread will make a few members realise that they are not alone in their views and maybe make a few more just think about what's important.
Water, energy/powere, education and the health service plus defense of course are the only real industries that should be state owned. The postal service provides no real state benefits and ones that it did are not really postal service responsibilities. Water and energy are already private which in my view they should not be. The core business of the postal service is that of a private enterprise. It therefore is a poorly performing business and is also a poor state industry as it has to make a profit. State industries make poor performing businesses and good businesses make poor social partners in general. This is not a state industry in the modern world with the service it provides. Sell it and the best thing to do is buy the water power and back if you want to. People in general do not send letters to each other they email,text and phone so it's key role and function is delivering letters and parcels for business with the exception of Christmas. Why would a business supplier be a state industry? When your water is owned and supplied by a private company!!!!!! Interestingly the food chain with the exception of say china and I am sure poss others in all countries generally is in private hands. So your food is in private control but your worried about the letter you recieve from business. This is just the wrong industry/business to be discussing the public private argument about unlike when it was set up Excellent reply. It isn't the wrong industry/business to be discussing thought.Just the latest.Look at how many replies this thread has.It's not being discussed/thought about by many. It is discussing the public/private balance that just isn't happening either. Tell the 130,000+ people employed by Royal Mail that it doesn't provide state benefits. It made £300-400 million profit last year! You say good businesses make poor social partners, which is absolutely true, so why the hell is the 'developed' world wanting to be ruled by business? I agree with you 100% in regards to water/power/education/defence being state owned but not all of these are. Haven't we learned anything? I just hope this thread will make a few members realise that they are not alone in their views and maybe make a few more just think about what's important. |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 12:14:34 GMT 1, Sean sorry to say that business will not supply it to you cheaper just because a supplier supplied it to them cheaper.
You are already subsidizing the postal service it is not infact a profitable enterprise. The profitable element is being sold after all of the unprofitable elements have been removed. It has a large pension commitment that actually on its own makes it unprofitable.
But back to the point all other business services in general come from private enterprise and so should their postal service. The business in concept will become more profitable by reducing costs and improving services and products etc. you in general pay postage and packing etc when you buy a good say online the postal cost is quite a part of this and always will be but it also has other elements etc.
There is nothing wrong with private business just as nothing wrong with state enterprises its just that some do not suit and the postal service is one of them.
State enterprises are not the solution to all your woes in the Uk industry's that were state run in almost all counties failed. If you want your Govt to provide more services state enterprise isn't the way. However you do have to look at how the country voted last time and it wasn't for social change and the benefit of the whole population and the improvement of state services. That's democracy for you chaps to be fair the great communist state of China is not better you even have to pay for healthcare.
Sean sorry to say that business will not supply it to you cheaper just because a supplier supplied it to them cheaper.
You are already subsidizing the postal service it is not infact a profitable enterprise. The profitable element is being sold after all of the unprofitable elements have been removed. It has a large pension commitment that actually on its own makes it unprofitable.
But back to the point all other business services in general come from private enterprise and so should their postal service. The business in concept will become more profitable by reducing costs and improving services and products etc. you in general pay postage and packing etc when you buy a good say online the postal cost is quite a part of this and always will be but it also has other elements etc.
There is nothing wrong with private business just as nothing wrong with state enterprises its just that some do not suit and the postal service is one of them.
State enterprises are not the solution to all your woes in the Uk industry's that were state run in almost all counties failed. If you want your Govt to provide more services state enterprise isn't the way. However you do have to look at how the country voted last time and it wasn't for social change and the benefit of the whole population and the improvement of state services. That's democracy for you chaps to be fair the great communist state of China is not better you even have to pay for healthcare.
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 13:23:49 GMT 1, Sean sorry to say that business will not supply it to you cheaper just because a supplier supplied it to them cheaper. You are already subsidizing the postal service it is not infact a profitable enterprise. The profitable element is being sold after all of the unprofitable elements have been removed. It has a large pension commitment that actually on its own makes it unprofitable. But back to the point all other business services in general come from private enterprise and so should their postal service. The business in concept will become more profitable by reducing costs and improving services and products etc. you in general pay postage and packing etc when you buy a good say online the postal cost is quite a part of this and always will be but it also has other elements etc. There is nothing wrong with private business just as nothing wrong with state enterprises its just that some do not suit and the postal service is one of them. State enterprises are not the solution to all your woes in the Uk industry's that were state run in almost all counties failed. If you want your Govt to provide more services state enterprise isn't the way. However you do have to look at how the country voted last time and it wasn't for social change and the benefit of the whole population and the improvement of state services. That's democracy for you chaps to be fair the great communist state of China is not better you even have to pay for healthcare.
Sean sorry to say that business will not supply it to you cheaper just because a supplier supplied it to them cheaper. You are already subsidizing the postal service it is not infact a profitable enterprise. The profitable element is being sold after all of the unprofitable elements have been removed. It has a large pension commitment that actually on its own makes it unprofitable. But back to the point all other business services in general come from private enterprise and so should their postal service. The business in concept will become more profitable by reducing costs and improving services and products etc. you in general pay postage and packing etc when you buy a good say online the postal cost is quite a part of this and always will be but it also has other elements etc. There is nothing wrong with private business just as nothing wrong with state enterprises its just that some do not suit and the postal service is one of them. State enterprises are not the solution to all your woes in the Uk industry's that were state run in almost all counties failed. If you want your Govt to provide more services state enterprise isn't the way. However you do have to look at how the country voted last time and it wasn't for social change and the benefit of the whole population and the improvement of state services. That's democracy for you chaps to be fair the great communist state of China is not better you even have to pay for healthcare. Please read what I said, not what you want me to say. |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 14:30:36 GMT 1, Sean sorry to say that business will not supply it to you cheaper just because a supplier supplied it to them cheaper. You are already subsidizing the postal service it is not infact a profitable enterprise. The profitable element is being sold after all of the unprofitable elements have been removed. It has a large pension commitment that actually on its own makes it unprofitable. But back to the point all other business services in general come from private enterprise and so should their postal service. The business in concept will become more profitable by reducing costs and improving services and products etc. you in general pay postage and packing etc when you buy a good say online the postal cost is quite a part of this and always will be but it also has other elements etc. There is nothing wrong with private business just as nothing wrong with state enterprises its just that some do not suit and the postal service is one of them. State enterprises are not the solution to all your woes in the Uk industry's that were state run in almost all counties failed. If you want your Govt to provide more services state enterprise isn't the way. However you do have to look at how the country voted last time and it wasn't for social change and the benefit of the whole population and the improvement of state services. That's democracy for you chaps to be fair the great communist state of China is not better you even have to pay for healthcare. Please read what I said, not what you want me to say.
Sean sorry to say that business will not supply it to you cheaper just because a supplier supplied it to them cheaper. You are already subsidizing the postal service it is not infact a profitable enterprise. The profitable element is being sold after all of the unprofitable elements have been removed. It has a large pension commitment that actually on its own makes it unprofitable. But back to the point all other business services in general come from private enterprise and so should their postal service. The business in concept will become more profitable by reducing costs and improving services and products etc. you in general pay postage and packing etc when you buy a good say online the postal cost is quite a part of this and always will be but it also has other elements etc. There is nothing wrong with private business just as nothing wrong with state enterprises its just that some do not suit and the postal service is one of them. State enterprises are not the solution to all your woes in the Uk industry's that were state run in almost all counties failed. If you want your Govt to provide more services state enterprise isn't the way. However you do have to look at how the country voted last time and it wasn't for social change and the benefit of the whole population and the improvement of state services. That's democracy for you chaps to be fair the great communist state of China is not better you even have to pay for healthcare. Please read what I said, not what you want me to say. |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 14:42:00 GMT 1, Boot will do you a list but close to my heart is the uk car industry. You can blame the state or the unions.
State industry in the old eastern block. Prime example to look up is companies in the DDR.
Plenty in China as well.
But surely you cannot be implying that state run industry is better. It's factually not as it ha s to change not for business but political reasons eg gov wants to save money so it cuts investment etc
Sean did read your post but its factually incorrect in that post is only profitable since they removed all the bits that were not to sell it eg its pension burden
It is not nessesarily true that prices will increase as you state as this may well be part of the purchase provision.
But as stated most of any price increase will be born by business not consumers
Boot will do you a list but close to my heart is the uk car industry. You can blame the state or the unions.
State industry in the old eastern block. Prime example to look up is companies in the DDR.
Plenty in China as well.
But surely you cannot be implying that state run industry is better. It's factually not as it ha s to change not for business but political reasons eg gov wants to save money so it cuts investment etc
Sean did read your post but its factually incorrect in that post is only profitable since they removed all the bits that were not to sell it eg its pension burden
It is not nessesarily true that prices will increase as you state as this may well be part of the purchase provision.
But as stated most of any price increase will be born by business not consumers
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 15:39:34 GMT 1, Boot will do you a list but close to my heart is the uk car industry. You can blame the state or the unions. State industry in the old eastern block. Prime example to look up is companies in the DDR. Plenty in China as well. But surely you cannot be implying that state run industry is better. It's factually not as it ha s to change not for business but political reasons eg gov wants to save money so it cuts investment etc Sean did read your post but its factually incorrect in that post is only profitable since they removed all the bits that were not to sell it eg its pension burden It is not nessesarily true that prices will increase as you state as this may well be part of the purchase provision. But as stated most of any price increase will be born by business not consumers
While state run industries aren't perfect at times, the same can also be said to be true of those moved into the private sector. The frustrations involved are just different.
And yet because we can put a financial figure on to how we gauge success or otherwise then this is deemed acceptable. There is more to our world than dragging everything down to the level of financial viability.
Profitability isn't the be all and end all.
Boot will do you a list but close to my heart is the uk car industry. You can blame the state or the unions. State industry in the old eastern block. Prime example to look up is companies in the DDR. Plenty in China as well. But surely you cannot be implying that state run industry is better. It's factually not as it ha s to change not for business but political reasons eg gov wants to save money so it cuts investment etc Sean did read your post but its factually incorrect in that post is only profitable since they removed all the bits that were not to sell it eg its pension burden It is not nessesarily true that prices will increase as you state as this may well be part of the purchase provision. But as stated most of any price increase will be born by business not consumers You seem to constantly associate state involvement with that of the Eastern Block or China, with a simple division between this and the 'free market' of the west; and with that simple black and white explanation it is no wonder we are destined to constantly repeat 'our' mistakes. Whatever system is in power, their mantra will determine how things are run, ignoring the impact on both the population and the environment. While state run industries aren't perfect at times, the same can also be said to be true of those moved into the private sector. The frustrations involved are just different. And yet because we can put a financial figure on to how we gauge success or otherwise then this is deemed acceptable. There is more to our world than dragging everything down to the level of financial viability. Profitability isn't the be all and end all. |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by dotdot on Jul 11, 2013 16:24:16 GMT 1, interesting debate.
S - plenty of interesting points.
J - plenty of other interesting sections of data which I'm not sure hold so much water.
J while you may not live in the uk i appreciate your positivity.
S - the uk well it's been going in this direction for a while.
It doesn't take people much to shuv the elbow in where it's not needed on occasion.
The post office has been in the process of being fattened up for ages - it was coming - but just because it
'was' not mean to say it's a foregone conclusion.
Now J, here lies the rub.
The uk is a funny (read not such a walk over) place not everything which happens here is in fact democratic - and neither is it any democracy - it's a concept ...to be interpreted , by whoever has POWER.
Perhaps you'll find this in your humble country as well. Everyone has an agenda of some sort be that historical or vocational or... simply put financially expedient... or politcally motivated - ie more people will vote for me if i put this through in a way which sounds sweet as ' for x years'.
And not everything which is put in to make something happen - does in the end happen.
(current generation ... didn't spot the old Poll Tax a few years back..)
Whilst this post office thingy has got a lot of peoples backs up - chances of it actually happening in such a short timeframe are .... slim at best.
Looks very much like ... "might as well try and get this one out whilst there's stooshy going on up in Falkirk".
I mean Falkirk of all places... up there if you don't like what someone say's .. you'd say...
Aye.. awae you.. Get Ti Falkirk.
(as ever folks sense of humour expected.. it's only a debate.. no need to get all hot and bovvered).
interesting debate.
S - plenty of interesting points.
J - plenty of other interesting sections of data which I'm not sure hold so much water.
J while you may not live in the uk i appreciate your positivity.
S - the uk well it's been going in this direction for a while.
It doesn't take people much to shuv the elbow in where it's not needed on occasion.
The post office has been in the process of being fattened up for ages - it was coming - but just because it
'was' not mean to say it's a foregone conclusion.
Now J, here lies the rub.
The uk is a funny (read not such a walk over) place not everything which happens here is in fact democratic - and neither is it any democracy - it's a concept ...to be interpreted , by whoever has POWER.
Perhaps you'll find this in your humble country as well. Everyone has an agenda of some sort be that historical or vocational or... simply put financially expedient... or politcally motivated - ie more people will vote for me if i put this through in a way which sounds sweet as ' for x years'.
And not everything which is put in to make something happen - does in the end happen.
(current generation ... didn't spot the old Poll Tax a few years back..)
Whilst this post office thingy has got a lot of peoples backs up - chances of it actually happening in such a short timeframe are .... slim at best.
Looks very much like ... "might as well try and get this one out whilst there's stooshy going on up in Falkirk".
I mean Falkirk of all places... up there if you don't like what someone say's .. you'd say...
Aye.. awae you.. Get Ti Falkirk.
(as ever folks sense of humour expected.. it's only a debate.. no need to get all hot and bovvered).
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 16:43:58 GMT 1, Dot Dot I am English and was the Asian COO for a UK ftse 100 company from Coventry so saw the closing by the Govt and the running down of the UK Car industry first hand saw all of the thatcher nationalisations good and bad so I do have some inkling of business and the UK.
This privatization of the post office has been going on since and was first proposed in 2009 by Brown. Although one could say it started with B T which was a post office sell off so it's not the first instance from the post office and there are others so do not doubt it will happen it just a case of when. It would already have been done if it were not for the banking crisis. May well happen before the next election so that the Tories can use the money to sweeten you all up before the vote as opposed to leaving that money for the next Gov to spend.
That's why it does not work nothing to do with the post office business it's all politics and economics
Dot Dot I am English and was the Asian COO for a UK ftse 100 company from Coventry so saw the closing by the Govt and the running down of the UK Car industry first hand saw all of the thatcher nationalisations good and bad so I do have some inkling of business and the UK.
This privatization of the post office has been going on since and was first proposed in 2009 by Brown. Although one could say it started with B T which was a post office sell off so it's not the first instance from the post office and there are others so do not doubt it will happen it just a case of when. It would already have been done if it were not for the banking crisis. May well happen before the next election so that the Tories can use the money to sweeten you all up before the vote as opposed to leaving that money for the next Gov to spend.
That's why it does not work nothing to do with the post office business it's all politics and economics
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 17:01:21 GMT 1, Sean business is about the financials and profit and loss. That's why I said earlier certain things and services should remain in the states hands at all costs.
Delivering parcels for and companies like Amazon is not one of them.
There are plenty of uk examples most of the great names all the ship builders, British Leyland, rolls Royce, British aerospace, BT and plenty more
Eg the health service and hospitals now must generate revenues. How many rich hospitals in poor ares of the country? Great Ormand street for kids has no big issues raising cash similarly cancer wards but how many donations to mental health etc. this is where the subsidy and investment should be not a parcels business
Sean business is about the financials and profit and loss. That's why I said earlier certain things and services should remain in the states hands at all costs.
Delivering parcels for and companies like Amazon is not one of them.
There are plenty of uk examples most of the great names all the ship builders, British Leyland, rolls Royce, British aerospace, BT and plenty more
Eg the health service and hospitals now must generate revenues. How many rich hospitals in poor ares of the country? Great Ormand street for kids has no big issues raising cash similarly cancer wards but how many donations to mental health etc. this is where the subsidy and investment should be not a parcels business
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Warm Gun on Jul 11, 2013 17:29:50 GMT 1, I just hope the service improves, utter s**te at the moment. Privatisation might create a bit of competition in the market place, it could end up being a good thing?.....maybe?...anyone? ...nah, course it wont. It'll soon be £50 for a first class stamp and there is nothing anyone can do about that.
I just hope the service improves, utter s**te at the moment. Privatisation might create a bit of competition in the market place, it could end up being a good thing?.....maybe?...anyone? ...nah, course it wont. It'll soon be £50 for a first class stamp and there is nothing anyone can do about that.
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 19:25:25 GMT 1, Coach they are brilliant loved the Bombs and Buggery as well
Coach they are brilliant loved the Bombs and Buggery as well
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 19:26:18 GMT 1, Dot Dot I am English and was the Asian COO for a UK ftse 100 company from Coventry so saw the closing by the Govt and the running down of the UK Car industry first hand saw all of the thatcher nationalisations good and bad so I do have some inkling of business and the UK.
Dot Dot I am English and was the Asian COO for a UK ftse 100 company from Coventry so saw the closing by the Govt and the running down of the UK Car industry first hand saw all of the thatcher nationalisations good and bad so I do have some inkling of business and the UK. We all bow down at your impressive CV and doff our caps to how great you are. Sorry for having an opinion. |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 11, 2013 19:44:13 GMT 1, Just due to the fact that I am in China he implied I might not understand the British, politics and situ. No need to be personal Sean. Mine also is just an opinion just trying to give a different perspective on the "privatization is bad" in this case not sure it is. The nearest ever privatisation to this was telecoms do you really want the only land line, internet and mobile tel supplier in the UK to be the post office.........
It's often easier to follow the flow with the usual rhetoric
However a bow and doffing of the cap is always appreciated.......  Many thx
Just due to the fact that I am in China he implied I might not understand the British, politics and situ. No need to be personal Sean. Mine also is just an opinion just trying to give a different perspective on the "privatization is bad" in this case not sure it is. The nearest ever privatisation to this was telecoms do you really want the only land line, internet and mobile tel supplier in the UK to be the post office......... It's often easier to follow the flow with the usual rhetoric However a bow and doffing of the cap is always appreciated....... Many thx |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by johnnyh on Jul 12, 2013 5:56:23 GMT 1, Read the posts mate have quoted loads - BT part of the post office sold off telecoms opened up better or worse? ?
British Leyland read its history as a nationalized industry ....a disaster. Yet Jaguars are still in production as is rover, BMW make minis for Christ sake these should be British companies.
George Osbourne quoted in the last couple of days that there will be no tax increases prior to and after the next election. The buy off of voters has already started. All cuts and austerity etc to be achieved by cutting costs. This is the man you want to run the post office and service see a lot investment going in there then.
Why do you believe the government will run that industry better than a load of companies as mentioned just look at telecoms there is a good quoted example.
So may be use a bit less of the smart arse one liners and actually quote a fact or two yourself. You just keep asking for facts and examples you get them. Then more drivel from you
Read the posts mate have quoted loads - BT part of the post office sold off telecoms opened up better or worse? ? British Leyland read its history as a nationalized industry ....a disaster. Yet Jaguars are still in production as is rover, BMW make minis for Christ sake these should be British companies. George Osbourne quoted in the last couple of days that there will be no tax increases prior to and after the next election. The buy off of voters has already started. All cuts and austerity etc to be achieved by cutting costs. This is the man you want to run the post office and service see a lot investment going in there then. Why do you believe the government will run that industry better than a load of companies as mentioned just look at telecoms there is a good quoted example. So may be use a bit less of the smart arse one liners and actually quote a fact or two yourself. You just keep asking for facts and examples you get them. Then more drivel from you |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 12:42:39 GMT 1, I find this thread very interesting.
Although it is a bit sad that not more members of this forum have contributed to it, it's great that some have. +1 to you guys.
The thread has been complicated by bigger issues which is inevitable I guess.
I agree that the Royal Mail is not the best example to take a stand on as it simply isn't as important to society as the health system or the education system but I'm proud to live in the UK and I think the Royal Mail is a fine state owned institution with its Post Boxes throughout the whole country and the Queen's head on the stamp.Symbols of the UK nation.
While generally now governments are more concerned with the global economy and credit scores than the health of its own citizens, big business certainly doesn't care about the health of anything.They care about profits.
That's why I would rather have the Royal Mail owned by the UK people.
We all now know what is going on globally and I think, despite the arguing in this thread, all the members that have posted in it agree with each other more than less.
Now tell a family member that you love them.
I find this thread very interesting.
Although it is a bit sad that not more members of this forum have contributed to it, it's great that some have. +1 to you guys.
The thread has been complicated by bigger issues which is inevitable I guess.
I agree that the Royal Mail is not the best example to take a stand on as it simply isn't as important to society as the health system or the education system but I'm proud to live in the UK and I think the Royal Mail is a fine state owned institution with its Post Boxes throughout the whole country and the Queen's head on the stamp.Symbols of the UK nation.
While generally now governments are more concerned with the global economy and credit scores than the health of its own citizens, big business certainly doesn't care about the health of anything.They care about profits.
That's why I would rather have the Royal Mail owned by the UK people.
We all now know what is going on globally and I think, despite the arguing in this thread, all the members that have posted in it agree with each other more than less.
Now tell a family member that you love them.
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by shaunq on Jul 12, 2013 19:54:17 GMT 1, Just due to the fact that I am in China he implied I might not understand the British, politics and situ. No need to be personal Sean. Mine also is just an opinion just trying to give a different perspective on the "privatization is bad" in this case not sure it is. The nearest ever privatisation to this was telecoms do you really want the only land line, internet and mobile tel supplier in the UK to be the post office......... It's often easier to follow the flow with the usual rhetoric However a bow and doffing of the cap is always appreciated....... Many thx
Just due to the fact that I am in China he implied I might not understand the British, politics and situ. No need to be personal Sean. Mine also is just an opinion just trying to give a different perspective on the "privatization is bad" in this case not sure it is. The nearest ever privatisation to this was telecoms do you really want the only land line, internet and mobile tel supplier in the UK to be the post office......... It's often easier to follow the flow with the usual rhetoric However a bow and doffing of the cap is always appreciated....... Many thx Have some of the posts on this thread been deleted ? I can't see a post from Sean that implied anything personal ? (genuine question, not trying to join in the discussion, just trying to figure why it went pear-shaped) |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by shaunq on Jul 12, 2013 20:58:18 GMT 1, Trust you to (suitably) lower the tone Coach
Trust you to (suitably) lower the tone Coach |
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UK Members...Royal Mail Sell Off , by Coach on Jul 12, 2013 21:27:13 GMT 1, Trust you to (suitably) lower the tone Coach
Trust you to (suitably) lower the tone Coach Billy Childish was making the point much more succinctly than I could! |
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