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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 29, 2013 5:06:50 GMT 1, Wow. Ok banksy is clear back in the mix and interesting to see the discussion. Am a bit astounded by the discussion stirred up by the article. I hated the article but I don't think it was insensitive or offensive. Am not surprised by the journalists twisting of it to make a story, but I am surprised by some of the forum members. Anyway, each to their own.
Wow. Ok banksy is clear back in the mix and interesting to see the discussion. Am a bit astounded by the discussion stirred up by the article. I hated the article but I don't think it was insensitive or offensive. Am not surprised by the journalists twisting of it to make a story, but I am surprised by some of the forum members. Anyway, each to their own.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 29, 2013 5:20:43 GMT 1, Wow. Ok banksy is clear back in the mix and interesting to see the discussion. Am a bit astounded by the discussion stirred up by the article. I hated the article but I don't think it was insensitive or offensive. Am not surprised by the journalists twisting of it to make a story, but I am surprised by some of the forum members. Anyway, each to their own.
Wow. Ok banksy is clear back in the mix and interesting to see the discussion. Am a bit astounded by the discussion stirred up by the article. I hated the article but I don't think it was insensitive or offensive. Am not surprised by the journalists twisting of it to make a story, but I am surprised by some of the forum members. Anyway, each to their own. hated the article, how? (non-snarky) |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 29, 2013 5:53:39 GMT 1, I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well.
I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase.
I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well.
I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 29, 2013 6:13:32 GMT 1, I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well. I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase.
I think it was amusing that a graffiti artist would be commenting on a behemoth of a building such as 1 WTC.
There's some irony there I think he was messing with; While a 'small-time graf artist' might be relegated to focusing on the sh!tty 3- or 4-story brick pre-war buildings in Coney Island, Banksy of Banksy fame has skyrocketed to WTC architecture levels!
Maybe I'm reading too much into it... It could also just be that he's being just like all New Yorkers in feeling entitled while living here to complain about whatever the fck they feel like. This is a melting pot and instead of butter we're all simmering in a vat of stinky, greasy opinions!
It definitely seemed carefully crafted - I'm not sure why that's such an issue though. I respect that. Given the subject matter, and the audience (in a potential NYT print), I would expect it I suppose... although I understand what you mean about direct language of his and the usual play on words etc.;
On one hand: the NYT opEd piece
On other hand: 'I don't read what I believe in the newspaper'
As far as the brand thing goes: I'd argue in fact this month is displaying a deep yearning by 'him' to not want to be pegged easily into 1 or 2 categories. It's been a brilliantly versatile, complex, interesting month, and there's a ton of vertical integration going on yes, but the Banksy brand is quite strong, I'd say. Certainly being stretched, but I disagree that it's being stretched too far.
Nota bene: He spray painted a robot spray painting a bar code on a wall today, in an out-of-the-way area of Brooklyn.
I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well. I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase. Acceptable. I think it was amusing that a graffiti artist would be commenting on a behemoth of a building such as 1 WTC. There's some irony there I think he was messing with; While a 'small-time graf artist' might be relegated to focusing on the sh!tty 3- or 4-story brick pre-war buildings in Coney Island, Banksy of Banksy fame has skyrocketed to WTC architecture levels! Maybe I'm reading too much into it... It could also just be that he's being just like all New Yorkers in feeling entitled while living here to complain about whatever the fck they feel like. This is a melting pot and instead of butter we're all simmering in a vat of stinky, greasy opinions! It definitely seemed carefully crafted - I'm not sure why that's such an issue though. I respect that. Given the subject matter, and the audience (in a potential NYT print), I would expect it I suppose... although I understand what you mean about direct language of his and the usual play on words etc.; On one hand: the NYT opEd piece On other hand: 'I don't read what I believe in the newspaper' As far as the brand thing goes: I'd argue in fact this month is displaying a deep yearning by 'him' to not want to be pegged easily into 1 or 2 categories. It's been a brilliantly versatile, complex, interesting month, and there's a ton of vertical integration going on yes, but the Banksy brand is quite strong, I'd say. Certainly being stretched, but I disagree that it's being stretched too far. Nota bene: He spray painted a robot spray painting a bar code on a wall today, in an out-of-the-way area of Brooklyn. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 29, 2013 6:41:43 GMT 1, I think ur first point is a great one and not one that I had thought of (small time graff artist takes on big building). Adds a funny dimension to it.
I guess the thing I didn't like about the writing was it was so carefully crafted that it was the first thing that banksy has done where I don't think he has been true to himself. Eg that's not how he talks. And I guess I didn't like that as it failed on the authenticity test a little
I think ur first point is a great one and not one that I had thought of (small time graff artist takes on big building). Adds a funny dimension to it.
I guess the thing I didn't like about the writing was it was so carefully crafted that it was the first thing that banksy has done where I don't think he has been true to himself. Eg that's not how he talks. And I guess I didn't like that as it failed on the authenticity test a little
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 6:42:48 GMT 1, And the gates are up  Id rather see Omar coming round the corner than these guys !
And the gates are up Id rather see Omar coming round the corner than these guys ! Speaking of which...... ? |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 29, 2013 6:53:18 GMT 1, I think ur first point is a great one and not one that I had thought of (small time graff artist takes on big building). Adds a funny dimension to it. I guess the thing I didn't like about the writing was it was so carefully crafted that it was the first thing that banksy has done where I don't think he has been true to himself. Eg that's not how he talks. And I guess I didn't like that as it failed on the authenticity test a little
Totally understandable. I think what set it off so far from the normal, "expected" Bansksy stock was its length in general. Usually it's true, no, he's quite a master of Fewest Words; he has a knack for saying oh so many things with only the tiniest, unassuming sentence.
I think this has a double-edge though. For this demonstration, I'd ask that you siphon through the past 3 weeks of reactions and curiosity aimed at the pieces; more specifically the questions and brow-raises and all-out mystique of the written pieces. Occasionally (most of the time, I'd bet) the risk of a one-liner is the ability of the audience to conjure up their own devised lines around it.
I think for this thought though, he sounds rather intent on presenting his thought clearly, expanding on it, and driving it home. That's a difficult thing with a 5-word sentence, stenciled or not  ?. The opEd is a standalone piece and I appreciate its tone as Banksy's, the mystery intact as ever, yet still a new medium/category/delivery device.
I think ur first point is a great one and not one that I had thought of (small time graff artist takes on big building). Adds a funny dimension to it. I guess the thing I didn't like about the writing was it was so carefully crafted that it was the first thing that banksy has done where I don't think he has been true to himself. Eg that's not how he talks. And I guess I didn't like that as it failed on the authenticity test a little Totally understandable. I think what set it off so far from the normal, "expected" Bansksy stock was its length in general. Usually it's true, no, he's quite a master of Fewest Words; he has a knack for saying oh so many things with only the tiniest, unassuming sentence. I think this has a double-edge though. For this demonstration, I'd ask that you siphon through the past 3 weeks of reactions and curiosity aimed at the pieces; more specifically the questions and brow-raises and all-out mystique of the written pieces. Occasionally (most of the time, I'd bet) the risk of a one-liner is the ability of the audience to conjure up their own devised lines around it. I think for this thought though, he sounds rather intent on presenting his thought clearly, expanding on it, and driving it home. That's a difficult thing with a 5-word sentence, stenciled or not ?. The opEd is a standalone piece and I appreciate its tone as Banksy's, the mystery intact as ever, yet still a new medium/category/delivery device. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 29, 2013 6:54:37 GMT 1, Apologies for length if it's uncouth here!
Apologies for length if it's uncouth here!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Frndly Fire on Oct 29, 2013 7:00:18 GMT 1, I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well. I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase.
I think you are missing the bigger picture here. The piece wasn’t important. It didn’t matter what uncomfortable truths it contained. The point was that it wasn’t published. Those who control the media control what we see, read, and hear.
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I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well. I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase. I think you are missing the bigger picture here. The piece wasn’t important. It didn’t matter what uncomfortable truths it contained. The point was that it wasn’t published. Those who control the media control what we see, read, and hear. This site contains blocked messages. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 29, 2013 7:02:35 GMT 1, Banksy's opinion on the WTC doesn't affect me one way or the other. If anything, it's the least original piece he's done since he's been here. A lot of people have said it has no personality. That said, his criticism would have carried more weight if he had accompanied it with a rendering of his own.
Personally, I agree that it's boring. But I also think it's a hell of an improvement over the previous WTC. Far worse was said about it by architects from the day it was built.
Banksy's opinion on the WTC doesn't affect me one way or the other. If anything, it's the least original piece he's done since he's been here. A lot of people have said it has no personality. That said, his criticism would have carried more weight if he had accompanied it with a rendering of his own.
Personally, I agree that it's boring. But I also think it's a hell of an improvement over the previous WTC. Far worse was said about it by architects from the day it was built.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 29, 2013 7:05:31 GMT 1, True that!
I amend what I said about it being standalone. In some ways yes it's standalone, and then again as pointed out above, it could (and should) definitely be viewed in unison with the Blocked Messages piece. Though I do still think independently they both hold their own in clever ways.
True that!
I amend what I said about it being standalone. In some ways yes it's standalone, and then again as pointed out above, it could (and should) definitely be viewed in unison with the Blocked Messages piece. Though I do still think independently they both hold their own in clever ways.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 29, 2013 7:09:38 GMT 1, Banksy's opinion on the WTC doesn't affect me one way or the other. If anything, it's the least original piece he's done since he's been here. A lot of people have said it has no personality. That said, his criticism would have carried more weight if he had accompanied it with a rendering of his own. Personally, I agree that it's boring. But I also think it's a hell of an improvement over the previous WTC. Far worse was said about it by architects from the day it was built.
Isn't the point of his column that he doesn't see it fitting to the memory of the lost lives and tragedy, to merely 'beat' the predecessor? I thought he was basically criticizing the new tower for lacking anything appropriately special in commemorating what occurred there.
Regardless Mr. Randomname, I'm happy that he's gotten you chirping about it!!
Banksy's opinion on the WTC doesn't affect me one way or the other. If anything, it's the least original piece he's done since he's been here. A lot of people have said it has no personality. That said, his criticism would have carried more weight if he had accompanied it with a rendering of his own. Personally, I agree that it's boring. But I also think it's a hell of an improvement over the previous WTC. Far worse was said about it by architects from the day it was built. Isn't the point of his column that he doesn't see it fitting to the memory of the lost lives and tragedy, to merely 'beat' the predecessor? I thought he was basically criticizing the new tower for lacking anything appropriately special in commemorating what occurred there. Regardless Mr. Randomname, I'm happy that he's gotten you chirping about it!! |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by hunter on Oct 29, 2013 7:11:48 GMT 1, For those that don't know that Banksy has commented on architecture before:
Surprised and shocked to read on a forum such as this that 'foreigners' shouldn't comment.
For those that don't know that Banksy has commented on architecture before:
Surprised and shocked to read on a forum such as this that 'foreigners' shouldn't comment.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Oct 29, 2013 7:47:30 GMT 1, I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well. I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase. I think you are missing the bigger picture here. The piece wasn’t important. It didn’t matter what uncomfortable truths it contained. The point was that it wasn’t published. Those who control the media control what we see, read, and hear. This site contains blocked messages.
Spot on... Give that ^^ man a ceegar 
I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well. I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase. I think you are missing the bigger picture here. The piece wasn’t important. It didn’t matter what uncomfortable truths it contained. The point was that it wasn’t published. Those who control the media control what we see, read, and hear. This site contains blocked messages. Spot on... Give that ^^ man a ceegar |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 29, 2013 7:54:28 GMT 1, Banksy's opinion on the WTC doesn't affect me one way or the other. If anything, it's the least original piece he's done since he's been here. A lot of people have said it has no personality. That said, his criticism would have carried more weight if he had accompanied it with a rendering of his own. Personally, I agree that it's boring. But I also think it's a hell of an improvement over the previous WTC. Far worse was said about it by architects from the day it was built. Isn't the point of his column that he doesn't see it fitting to the memory of the lost lives and tragedy, to merely 'beat' the predecessor? I thought he was basically criticizing the new tower for lacking anything appropriately special in commemorating what occurred there. Regardless Mr. Randomname, I'm happy that he's gotten you chirping about it!!
I've commented on almost every piece. So I wouldn't read too much into that.
In general, I find very tall buildings to be boring. In some respects, that's just the nature of the beast. But like I said earlier, if he doesn't think this is a fitting tribute, I'd like to see his take on a building that is. Wouldn't you?
This just feels a bit lazy.
Banksy's opinion on the WTC doesn't affect me one way or the other. If anything, it's the least original piece he's done since he's been here. A lot of people have said it has no personality. That said, his criticism would have carried more weight if he had accompanied it with a rendering of his own. Personally, I agree that it's boring. But I also think it's a hell of an improvement over the previous WTC. Far worse was said about it by architects from the day it was built. Isn't the point of his column that he doesn't see it fitting to the memory of the lost lives and tragedy, to merely 'beat' the predecessor? I thought he was basically criticizing the new tower for lacking anything appropriately special in commemorating what occurred there. Regardless Mr. Randomname, I'm happy that he's gotten you chirping about it!! I've commented on almost every piece. So I wouldn't read too much into that. In general, I find very tall buildings to be boring. In some respects, that's just the nature of the beast. But like I said earlier, if he doesn't think this is a fitting tribute, I'd like to see his take on a building that is. Wouldn't you? This just feels a bit lazy. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 29, 2013 7:58:44 GMT 1, I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well. I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase. I think you are missing the bigger picture here. The piece wasn’t important. It didn’t matter what uncomfortable truths it contained. The point was that it wasn’t published. Those who control the media control what we see, read, and hear. This site contains blocked messages.
So the whole point of a long article about a 'random' subject was to demonstrate to people that the media controls what we read? And it was a comment about media control rather than anything??? Or have I misinterpreted you here?
I found it quite bland and vaguely amusing but was more irritated that banksy was making an architectural critique on something. That's not why I like banksy for his opinions on building redevelopments. If he was a business I would say that he was stretching the brand too far here. Also his for me is not any sort of part of a 'show' or residency and therefore I just found it not sitting well. I also think that it came across as written for consumption I a carefully crafted way, rather than his more honest and direct language and turn of phrase. I think you are missing the bigger picture here. The piece wasn’t important. It didn’t matter what uncomfortable truths it contained. The point was that it wasn’t published. Those who control the media control what we see, read, and hear. This site contains blocked messages. So the whole point of a long article about a 'random' subject was to demonstrate to people that the media controls what we read? And it was a comment about media control rather than anything??? Or have I misinterpreted you here? |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 29, 2013 8:01:09 GMT 1,
Do agree that it not being printed is part of the point. Must confess I do not dislike the building but am surprised he is not being supported by New Yorker. It is basically a big apartment building now which unfortunately are never or vary rarely iconic. Eg your selling expensive property so needs to be now and easy for those living there. Where as iconic structures tend to be a little extrovert and tomorrow so suit public, company or private individual buildings. So an element of what he is saying is correct as this could not be that due to it mainly being funded in slices eg each apartment. So it's key pulse is to be big, elegant, look expensive and very high end eg just like all the other buildings of the same nature with a few extra bits.
Now if the building had been designed to be the New York State department building, library etc the people using it to an extent do not pay or choose it..know they are say tax payers but they do not invest. Hence the design/shape can be wilder, more building space be just that space etc.
pso its much easier to design purely when your designing to a set budget as opposed to approving a design that you then have to sell slice by slice. So he is correct in that the buildings base concept to a certain extent prevents that
so the current one is good looking and functional it is only its name that is say iconic. But as say I think it's quite nice but I like skyscrapers
Do agree that it not being printed is part of the point. Must confess I do not dislike the building but am surprised he is not being supported by New Yorker. It is basically a big apartment building now which unfortunately are never or vary rarely iconic. Eg your selling expensive property so needs to be now and easy for those living there. Where as iconic structures tend to be a little extrovert and tomorrow so suit public, company or private individual buildings. So an element of what he is saying is correct as this could not be that due to it mainly being funded in slices eg each apartment. So it's key pulse is to be big, elegant, look expensive and very high end eg just like all the other buildings of the same nature with a few extra bits.
Now if the building had been designed to be the New York State department building, library etc the people using it to an extent do not pay or choose it..know they are say tax payers but they do not invest. Hence the design/shape can be wilder, more building space be just that space etc.
pso its much easier to design purely when your designing to a set budget as opposed to approving a design that you then have to sell slice by slice. So he is correct in that the buildings base concept to a certain extent prevents that
so the current one is good looking and functional it is only its name that is say iconic. But as say I think it's quite nice but I like skyscrapers
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Quinnster on Oct 29, 2013 8:38:03 GMT 1, How long till the first Banksy in England gets a shutter?
Better out than in has come full circle maybe the next show should be better in than out?
How long till the first Banksy in England gets a shutter?
Better out than in has come full circle maybe the next show should be better in than out?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by love on Oct 29, 2013 8:44:43 GMT 1, I read the NY Times Op piece on Banksy's website yesterday and I can see how the Daily News could interpret it as offensive & insensitive to the victims of this tragedy. Whoever wrote it sounded like a pompous elitist that has lost their grip on historical topics that are important to the common man. Next time Bansky shouldn't listen to his PR representatives so much and follow his gut. Maybe he should go back to spray painting farm animals and carnival rides to get back in touch with his roots. Talking smack about 9/11 is a no no in America especially by a foreigner who wasn't here to experience that awful day and the psychological & physical toll it took on the American people and the countless other international families that were affected by this event. Banksy should stick to art and building his brand in preparation for his LA show in a few months and leave America's national tragedies to it's citizens to sort out.
On the other hand i'm just a foreigner... Come on!
I read the NY Times Op piece on Banksy's website yesterday and I can see how the Daily News could interpret it as offensive & insensitive to the victims of this tragedy. Whoever wrote it sounded like a pompous elitist that has lost their grip on historical topics that are important to the common man. Next time Bansky shouldn't listen to his PR representatives so much and follow his gut. Maybe he should go back to spray painting farm animals and carnival rides to get back in touch with his roots. Talking smack about 9/11 is a no no in America especially by a foreigner who wasn't here to experience that awful day and the psychological & physical toll it took on the American people and the countless other international families that were affected by this event. Banksy should stick to art and building his brand in preparation for his LA show in a few months and leave America's national tragedies to it's citizens to sort out. Please tell me where this article is offensive to the victims and where did he mock about the 9/11 victims? I can't see that, and i think an artist should be allowed to say something to every topic he wants (not only an artist). On the other hand i'm just a foreigner... Come on! |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by pcant on Oct 29, 2013 8:56:12 GMT 1, In addition to not finding the article offensive as an American (I speak only for myself), I think the piece in Tribeca (Oct. 15) was a beautiful, moving tribute to the rebirth of the city (and, by extension, the nation) after those horrible events. The fact that it was placed in the neighborhood that absorbed the majority of ash and debris can't be a coincidence. The singed flower growing from the Goldsworthy-esque crack was a lovely touch, even if it didn't last. And his criticism in the NYT piece, I think, was really about how the building didn't reflect the energy and character of the city, not that he was somehow impugning the city's character.
In addition to not finding the article offensive as an American (I speak only for myself), I think the piece in Tribeca (Oct. 15) was a beautiful, moving tribute to the rebirth of the city (and, by extension, the nation) after those horrible events. The fact that it was placed in the neighborhood that absorbed the majority of ash and debris can't be a coincidence. The singed flower growing from the Goldsworthy-esque crack was a lovely touch, even if it didn't last. And his criticism in the NYT piece, I think, was really about how the building didn't reflect the energy and character of the city, not that he was somehow impugning the city's character.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Winter on Oct 29, 2013 9:08:53 GMT 1, Just looked at pictures of it as I had no idea what it looked like. It is quite boring. Some of the other concepts look far better but it's like when you see a concept car and when it goes into production it looks average.
I think the CN tower in Toronto is great and prefer the shard. Nothing more to say on skyscrapers.
Just looked at pictures of it as I had no idea what it looked like. It is quite boring. Some of the other concepts look far better but it's like when you see a concept car and when it goes into production it looks average.
I think the CN tower in Toronto is great and prefer the shard. Nothing more to say on skyscrapers.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 29, 2013 9:57:56 GMT 1, I read the NY Times Op piece on Banksy's website yesterday and I can see how the Daily News could interpret it as offensive & insensitive to the victims of this tragedy. Whoever wrote it sounded like a pompous elitist that has lost their grip on historical topics that are important to the common man. Next time Bansky shouldn't listen to his PR representatives so much and follow his gut. Maybe he should go back to spray painting farm animals and carnival rides to get back in touch with his roots. Talking smack about 9/11 is a no no in America especially by a foreigner who wasn't here to experience that awful day and the psychological & physical toll it took on the American people and the countless other international families that were affected by this event. Banksy should stick to art and building his brand in preparation for his LA show in a few months and leave America's national tragedies to it's citizens to sort out. Please tell me where this article is offensive to the victims and where did he mock about the 9/11 victims? I can't see that, and i think an artist should be allowed to say something to every topic he wants (not only an artist). On the other hand i'm just a foreigner... Come on!
Gotta say I agree here. Also who knows if banksy was in the us at the time of lost people. And if u believe what people say, he may well be a citizen by now!
I read the NY Times Op piece on Banksy's website yesterday and I can see how the Daily News could interpret it as offensive & insensitive to the victims of this tragedy. Whoever wrote it sounded like a pompous elitist that has lost their grip on historical topics that are important to the common man. Next time Bansky shouldn't listen to his PR representatives so much and follow his gut. Maybe he should go back to spray painting farm animals and carnival rides to get back in touch with his roots. Talking smack about 9/11 is a no no in America especially by a foreigner who wasn't here to experience that awful day and the psychological & physical toll it took on the American people and the countless other international families that were affected by this event. Banksy should stick to art and building his brand in preparation for his LA show in a few months and leave America's national tragedies to it's citizens to sort out. Please tell me where this article is offensive to the victims and where did he mock about the 9/11 victims? I can't see that, and i think an artist should be allowed to say something to every topic he wants (not only an artist). On the other hand i'm just a foreigner... Come on! Gotta say I agree here. Also who knows if banksy was in the us at the time of lost people. And if u believe what people say, he may well be a citizen by now! |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Emile on Oct 29, 2013 10:19:22 GMT 1, Let's face it, whoever says the article was offensive to NYC/911 victims/etc hasn't truly thought about what he is actually saying. On the surface the article sounds offensive (simply the mere topic), so people start boo-ing, but when you think about it, it is actually the opposite: if anything, Banksy is supporting 9/11 victims by saying that the new building isn't what it should be (isn't worthy of their legacy)
That said, whether Banksy should have posted this article in the first place is an entire different debate.
Let's face it, whoever says the article was offensive to NYC/911 victims/etc hasn't truly thought about what he is actually saying. On the surface the article sounds offensive (simply the mere topic), so people start boo-ing, but when you think about it, it is actually the opposite: if anything, Banksy is supporting 9/11 victims by saying that the new building isn't what it should be (isn't worthy of their legacy)
That said, whether Banksy should have posted this article in the first place is an entire different debate.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 29, 2013 10:38:16 GMT 1, Agreed re the critique.
Re the should that's a tougher question. In the sense of does he have the right to - absolutely. He has an opinion like any other
Re does it work as part of his 'residency'? Nope, not for me.
What do u think?
Agreed re the critique.
Re the should that's a tougher question. In the sense of does he have the right to - absolutely. He has an opinion like any other
Re does it work as part of his 'residency'? Nope, not for me.
What do u think?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 29, 2013 10:52:52 GMT 1, While it's clear Banksy LOVES New York (he could have chosen any other city in the world for this month long residence, but he chose NY) and also clear that there was nothing in his article that "trashed" New Yorkers or 911 victims (for anyone that read it properly), I do think that he could have chosen his words more carefully and got his point across better.
What he said was:
• This new tower sends the message that the terrorists won
• This new tower sends the message that New Yorkers have lost their nerve
• This new tower could be seen as an insult to the memory of 911 victims
Unfortunately, what some people will inevitably comprehend is:
• Banksy says the terrorists won
• Banksy says New yorkers have lost their nerve
• Banksy insults 911 victims
Especially when headlines like that appear on Newspapers, which people will see on Newsstands, without ever reading the whole article in the Newspaper let alone Banksy's original article.
I'm just a little surprised that someone who is a such master of media manipulation and getting his points across with razor sharpness did this in what I can't help feel is a somewhat amateur and not-particularly-well-thought-through fashion.
While it's clear Banksy LOVES New York (he could have chosen any other city in the world for this month long residence, but he chose NY) and also clear that there was nothing in his article that "trashed" New Yorkers or 911 victims (for anyone that read it properly), I do think that he could have chosen his words more carefully and got his point across better.
What he said was:
• This new tower sends the message that the terrorists won
• This new tower sends the message that New Yorkers have lost their nerve
• This new tower could be seen as an insult to the memory of 911 victims
Unfortunately, what some people will inevitably comprehend is:
• Banksy says the terrorists won
• Banksy says New yorkers have lost their nerve
• Banksy insults 911 victims
Especially when headlines like that appear on Newspapers, which people will see on Newsstands, without ever reading the whole article in the Newspaper let alone Banksy's original article.
I'm just a little surprised that someone who is a such master of media manipulation and getting his points across with razor sharpness did this in what I can't help feel is a somewhat amateur and not-particularly-well-thought-through fashion.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 29, 2013 11:25:12 GMT 1, Unless... He new precisely what he was doing and just wanted pure hype?
Unless... He new precisely what he was doing and just wanted pure hype?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by love on Oct 29, 2013 11:25:52 GMT 1, No way, they'll catch Banksy.
No way, they'll catch Banksy.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Damien on Oct 29, 2013 12:28:37 GMT 1, No way, they'll catch Banksy.
No way, they'll catch Banksy. what are they actually trying to do in this vid? is it to do with the skateboarders |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by uncle on Oct 29, 2013 12:29:20 GMT 1, I think you are missing the bigger picture here. The piece wasn’t important. It didn’t matter what uncomfortable truths it contained. The point was that it wasn’t published. Those who control the media control what we see, read, and hear. This site contains blocked messages.
The statement on the website reads to me like the NYT initially agreed to run the piece, but when they saw the content, bottled it.
"Today’s piece was going to be an op-ed column in the New York Times.
But they declined to publish what I supplied. Which was this..."
I think you are missing the bigger picture here. The piece wasn’t important. It didn’t matter what uncomfortable truths it contained. The point was that it wasn’t published. Those who control the media control what we see, read, and hear. This site contains blocked messages. I agree with frndlyfire, that the main point was that the op-ed wasn't printed. Call it censorship media control or unwillingness to to talk about the elephant in the room (without flock wallpaper) The statement on the website reads to me like the NYT initially agreed to run the piece, but when they saw the content, bottled it. "Today’s piece was going to be an op-ed column in the New York Times. But they declined to publish what I supplied. Which was this..." |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 29, 2013 12:37:47 GMT 1, I just can't believe that was the piece- some elaborate article to prove that he can't get printed in the ny gutter press..... Just seems all quite excessive, even for banksy
I just can't believe that was the piece- some elaborate article to prove that he can't get printed in the ny gutter press..... Just seems all quite excessive, even for banksy
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?. The opEd is a standalone piece and I appreciate its tone as Banksy's, the mystery intact as ever, yet still a new medium/category/delivery device.
