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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by rioja on Oct 8, 2013 9:12:06 GMT 1, It seems a few lucky people got to see the truck last night. And other spectacles...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 8, 2013 9:35:14 GMT 1, Hello.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 8, 2013 9:48:58 GMT 1, Lovely how banksy appeals to all...!
Lovely how banksy appeals to all...!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by tonysantos2001 on Oct 8, 2013 9:56:57 GMT 1, R.E. Operation Dumbo Drop
"This Video Has Been Removed Due To A Copyright Claim By Al Qaeda"
Ouch!
R.E. Operation Dumbo Drop
"This Video Has Been Removed Due To A Copyright Claim By Al Qaeda"
Ouch!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by fastone on Oct 8, 2013 10:05:37 GMT 1,
Looks to me like the same woman from the earlier shot on BOTI......dressed a little more "conservatively"...
I'm flying out to NY in a few days so who knows what she'll be wearing by then...
Looks to me like the same woman from the earlier shot on BOTI......dressed a little more "conservatively"... I'm flying out to NY in a few days so who knows what she'll be wearing by then... |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Coach on Oct 8, 2013 10:26:40 GMT 1, My view is, and I realise this will not be as eloquent as some on this thread are capable of:
It is not right to expect banksys work not to get tagged. He is in a foreign city, getting a great deal if attention. Whether this is causing irritation of local writers, I will leave it to people more in the know than I.
I do not believe that banksy would have been so naive as to expect his work to remain un damaged.
It is not right to say banksys work is better than that of the taggers. It is just different. Two completely different styles with only one similarity, the street. As far as I am aware, and I don't know much, taggers wouldn't even describe what they do as art.
It is certainly not right, in my opinion, to suggest violence should be involved in any way.
In my opinion, it is a much more enjoyable ride to watch the work go up and watch what happens to it, as being part of its natural life. If I want to see pristine pieces, I'll see what I can in a gallery.
And finally, please, no perspex.
One final thought, I do just wonder in the back if my mind, whether banksy might have asked for the pieces to be damaged. The work is photographed pristine (for posterity), then damaged, so hopefully the wall is not covered in Perspex or even removed. Better out than in.
My view is, and I realise this will not be as eloquent as some on this thread are capable of:
It is not right to expect banksys work not to get tagged. He is in a foreign city, getting a great deal if attention. Whether this is causing irritation of local writers, I will leave it to people more in the know than I.
I do not believe that banksy would have been so naive as to expect his work to remain un damaged.
It is not right to say banksys work is better than that of the taggers. It is just different. Two completely different styles with only one similarity, the street. As far as I am aware, and I don't know much, taggers wouldn't even describe what they do as art.
It is certainly not right, in my opinion, to suggest violence should be involved in any way.
In my opinion, it is a much more enjoyable ride to watch the work go up and watch what happens to it, as being part of its natural life. If I want to see pristine pieces, I'll see what I can in a gallery.
And finally, please, no perspex.
One final thought, I do just wonder in the back if my mind, whether banksy might have asked for the pieces to be damaged. The work is photographed pristine (for posterity), then damaged, so hopefully the wall is not covered in Perspex or even removed. Better out than in.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Damien on Oct 8, 2013 10:50:31 GMT 1, would prefer it too be damaged rather than cut out and sold :-)
would prefer it too be damaged rather than cut out and sold :-)
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 8, 2013 11:04:48 GMT 1, My view is, and I realise this will not be as eloquent as some on this thread are capable of: It is not right to expect banksys work not to get tagged. He is in a foreign city, getting a great deal if attention. Whether this is causing irritation of local writers, I will leave it to people more in the know than I. I do not believe that banksy would have been so naive as to expect his work to remain un damaged. It is not right to say banksys work is better than that of the taggers. It is just different. Two completely different styles with only one similarity, the street. As far as I am aware, and I don't know much, taggers wouldn't even describe what they do as art. It is certainly not right, in my opinion, to suggest violence should be involved in any way. In my opinion, it is a much more enjoyable ride to watch the work go up and watch what happens to it, as being part of its natural life. If I want to see pristine pieces, I'll see what I can in a gallery. And finally, please, no perspex. One final thought, I do just wonder in the back if my mind, whether banksy might have asked for the pieces to be damaged. The work is photographed pristine (for posterity), then damaged, so hopefully the wall is not covered in Perspex or even removed. Better out than in.
I think that for some, tagging appears to be nothing more than destroying things for the sake of destroying them. This may be a lack of understanding about the meaning and history of tagging, but maybe there comes a point where just placing tags on kids playgrouds, bus shelters and the like is something grown adults should have gone past. Like i said, I think these are behind the views of some on the forum. In the case of BOTI, I think there is frustration that Banksy is doing somehting special and different, and people want to share in that and be a part of it. Pretty hard to do that when the image is ruined beyond comprehension. How about if you wanted to inspire your kids with what Banksy has done, but you had to explain first why someone had made it almost impossible to see and spoiled it ..
Personally, I wonder what connection Banksy feels with the graff world. My sense is that he and established artists may have started there, but have evolved beyond it to another level? I guess that would inform any opinion of him having to earn the respect of locals there....
My view is, and I realise this will not be as eloquent as some on this thread are capable of: It is not right to expect banksys work not to get tagged. He is in a foreign city, getting a great deal if attention. Whether this is causing irritation of local writers, I will leave it to people more in the know than I. I do not believe that banksy would have been so naive as to expect his work to remain un damaged. It is not right to say banksys work is better than that of the taggers. It is just different. Two completely different styles with only one similarity, the street. As far as I am aware, and I don't know much, taggers wouldn't even describe what they do as art. It is certainly not right, in my opinion, to suggest violence should be involved in any way. In my opinion, it is a much more enjoyable ride to watch the work go up and watch what happens to it, as being part of its natural life. If I want to see pristine pieces, I'll see what I can in a gallery. And finally, please, no perspex. One final thought, I do just wonder in the back if my mind, whether banksy might have asked for the pieces to be damaged. The work is photographed pristine (for posterity), then damaged, so hopefully the wall is not covered in Perspex or even removed. Better out than in. Coach, I havent heard anyone say his work shouldnt be tagged, I've only heard people question the need to for immediate and destructive tagging which almost appears designed to spoil the enjoyment of others. Tagging is inevitable, but there appears to be something different on whats happening in NYC. I think that for some, tagging appears to be nothing more than destroying things for the sake of destroying them. This may be a lack of understanding about the meaning and history of tagging, but maybe there comes a point where just placing tags on kids playgrouds, bus shelters and the like is something grown adults should have gone past. Like i said, I think these are behind the views of some on the forum. In the case of BOTI, I think there is frustration that Banksy is doing somehting special and different, and people want to share in that and be a part of it. Pretty hard to do that when the image is ruined beyond comprehension. How about if you wanted to inspire your kids with what Banksy has done, but you had to explain first why someone had made it almost impossible to see and spoiled it .. Personally, I wonder what connection Banksy feels with the graff world. My sense is that he and established artists may have started there, but have evolved beyond it to another level? I guess that would inform any opinion of him having to earn the respect of locals there.... |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 11:06:29 GMT 1, If it had have been tagged / added to etc. then fair enough, its not his patch and he probably expected it,though maybe not so soon, but it was simply ruined just for the sake of it IMO, would have been good to see some local NY artists work alongside it first. Anyhow, the nature of the beast and all that, that was yesterday etc..
I wonder though with all this talk about 'earning his rights' over there in NY, would the same thing happen over here if a famous (rightly or wrongly but he is) from NY came over here?.
I know nothing.
If it had have been tagged / added to etc. then fair enough, its not his patch and he probably expected it,though maybe not so soon, but it was simply ruined just for the sake of it IMO, would have been good to see some local NY artists work alongside it first. Anyhow, the nature of the beast and all that, that was yesterday etc..
I wonder though with all this talk about 'earning his rights' over there in NY, would the same thing happen over here if a famous (rightly or wrongly but he is) from NY came over here?.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 8, 2013 11:22:40 GMT 1, I see everyone complain about this Omar charachter and associate him as some toy tagger, yet it was mentioned this guy dissed Banksy in NY as Team Robbo before. So Team Robbo is now catching up with banksy in NY and now shouldnt we expect more damage like this? Why do people not see the facts and are so quick to blame taggers, am I missing something here was'nt this particular case old Banksy Beef that ruined it for everyone not just some random tagger.
Second question as I was not on the forum, how did the forum react to the Team Robbo disses to banksy's work back at home? I would imagine it didnt happen as fast as these are, but as I stated earlier the addition to a BOTI instagram has sped this up drastically compared to back home when a piece could last longer pre-instagram.
I see everyone complain about this Omar charachter and associate him as some toy tagger, yet it was mentioned this guy dissed Banksy in NY as Team Robbo before. So Team Robbo is now catching up with banksy in NY and now shouldnt we expect more damage like this? Why do people not see the facts and are so quick to blame taggers, am I missing something here was'nt this particular case old Banksy Beef that ruined it for everyone not just some random tagger.
Second question as I was not on the forum, how did the forum react to the Team Robbo disses to banksy's work back at home? I would imagine it didnt happen as fast as these are, but as I stated earlier the addition to a BOTI instagram has sped this up drastically compared to back home when a piece could last longer pre-instagram.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 11:30:15 GMT 1, Ok im owning up, i have no idea what you mean by 'Toy', what does this term refer to?, is it an apprentice tagger or someone who ruins things?, i take it its a derogatory meaning?.
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Ok im owning up, i have no idea what you mean by 'Toy', what does this term refer to?, is it an apprentice tagger or someone who ruins things?, i take it its a derogatory meaning?.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 8, 2013 11:32:40 GMT 1, Ok im owning up, i have no idea what you mean by 'Toy', what does this term refer to?, is it an apprentice tagger or someone who ruins things?, i take it its a derogatory meaning?. I know nothing.
I think it means someone who has only just taken up tagging? And isn't a member of any particular graffiti club?
I could be wrong.
Ok im owning up, i have no idea what you mean by 'Toy', what does this term refer to?, is it an apprentice tagger or someone who ruins things?, i take it its a derogatory meaning?. I know nothing. I think it means someone who has only just taken up tagging? And isn't a member of any particular graffiti club? I could be wrong. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Agent Provocateur on Oct 8, 2013 11:33:51 GMT 1, Any artists here able to provide a breakdown of how the balloon image would have been created? I presume it's a stencil but how difficult is it to get the cross over of colours, and the appearance of shine? And would it take long to produce in situ?
I'll give that one a go, but don't take it as red(!)... shadow first using a transparent black (cud be with heart shaped stencil held loosely away from the wall so the edges aren't sharp, or just freehand) with more paint at the bottom than top for angle of light. Then heart stencil close to the wall so when the full even coat of red is sprayed there's a sharp edge, there's possibly some white added at this time whilst the heart stencil's there, shading the top bulbous (good word!) bits with fading freehand sweeps.
Then it's into detailing, and looking at the layers of highlight and shadow on the balloon and plasters there's several. I'd say white stencil next, for the sharper creases inbetween the top bulbous bits, cross hatching slightly lower, the edge and bottom highlights.
Next a few plasters applied, I'd say they're all on a single layer for speed, unless more than one person is painting at the same time, then patches could be used (patches are small stencils that can be place anywhere on the main painting and sprayed, saving on cumbersome card for such a small hole). Light colour sprayed through plaster crosses/oblongs, then a central square plug stuck in the middle and a splash of darker orange sprayed in the middle (the square plug allows the centre to stay the light colour) so it fades to the corners/ends.
Then transparent black again for shadows on the balloon, freehand (or using the heart shaped stencil so it doesn't go over the edge of the balloon, notice the sharper edge of the shadow near the bottom left), it's over some plasters and not others... hence why I think there's a few stages to the plasters. As the balloon's shiny and not them, the white highlights need to be underneath, but the darker shadows will effect both balloon and plasters (this is random tho, and not totally accurate, as some are above the shadow and some below).
More plasters, some over the shadowy areas, same technique as before.
Then finally the black/shadow stencil, top left bulbous bit, down the right hand side, starting up the bottom left hand side and the string. This stencil gives the subtle detail of the type of balloon it is, one of them foil ones I think, the sharp black giving the creases of where the balloon's edges have been sealed/stuck. The string combines with the transparent black shadow for the floating effect.
Maybe a few freehand splashes of transparent black and white where necessary for the final three dimensional effect
I know that probably seems complex, convoluted and time consuming, but there's probably only 4 stencils (heart, white, black and plasters) and 6 colours involved (red, white, transparent and normal black, tan and orange)... 5 minutes depending on the type of paint and how long it takes to dry.
And it all combines to create an amazing primary splash of red floaty three dimensional fragile balloon'ness on a gnarly grey textured wall... fantastic!
Any artists here able to provide a breakdown of how the balloon image would have been created? I presume it's a stencil but how difficult is it to get the cross over of colours, and the appearance of shine? And would it take long to produce in situ? I'll give that one a go, but don't take it as red(!)... shadow first using a transparent black (cud be with heart shaped stencil held loosely away from the wall so the edges aren't sharp, or just freehand) with more paint at the bottom than top for angle of light. Then heart stencil close to the wall so when the full even coat of red is sprayed there's a sharp edge, there's possibly some white added at this time whilst the heart stencil's there, shading the top bulbous (good word!) bits with fading freehand sweeps. Then it's into detailing, and looking at the layers of highlight and shadow on the balloon and plasters there's several. I'd say white stencil next, for the sharper creases inbetween the top bulbous bits, cross hatching slightly lower, the edge and bottom highlights. Next a few plasters applied, I'd say they're all on a single layer for speed, unless more than one person is painting at the same time, then patches could be used (patches are small stencils that can be place anywhere on the main painting and sprayed, saving on cumbersome card for such a small hole). Light colour sprayed through plaster crosses/oblongs, then a central square plug stuck in the middle and a splash of darker orange sprayed in the middle (the square plug allows the centre to stay the light colour) so it fades to the corners/ends. Then transparent black again for shadows on the balloon, freehand (or using the heart shaped stencil so it doesn't go over the edge of the balloon, notice the sharper edge of the shadow near the bottom left), it's over some plasters and not others... hence why I think there's a few stages to the plasters. As the balloon's shiny and not them, the white highlights need to be underneath, but the darker shadows will effect both balloon and plasters (this is random tho, and not totally accurate, as some are above the shadow and some below). More plasters, some over the shadowy areas, same technique as before. Then finally the black/shadow stencil, top left bulbous bit, down the right hand side, starting up the bottom left hand side and the string. This stencil gives the subtle detail of the type of balloon it is, one of them foil ones I think, the sharp black giving the creases of where the balloon's edges have been sealed/stuck. The string combines with the transparent black shadow for the floating effect. Maybe a few freehand splashes of transparent black and white where necessary for the final three dimensional effect I know that probably seems complex, convoluted and time consuming, but there's probably only 4 stencils (heart, white, black and plasters) and 6 colours involved (red, white, transparent and normal black, tan and orange)... 5 minutes depending on the type of paint and how long it takes to dry. And it all combines to create an amazing primary splash of red floaty three dimensional fragile balloon'ness on a gnarly grey textured wall... fantastic! |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 8, 2013 11:35:46 GMT 1, Great post A-P
Great post A-P
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 8, 2013 11:35:52 GMT 1, Its a derogatory term for an unskilled graffiti artist.
Also this has to be one the best executed stencils I have seen from Banksy aesthetically, also the nod to Koons possibly.
Its a derogatory term for an unskilled graffiti artist.
Also this has to be one the best executed stencils I have seen from Banksy aesthetically, also the nod to Koons possibly.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Happy Shopper on Oct 8, 2013 11:36:11 GMT 1, I don't remember anyone tagging over the pieces done around New York while the Pet Shop was open (5 or so years ago).
I think this craze for tagging over Banksy is just attention seeking now they know it gets noticed... which is kind of what tagging is about anyway.
I don't remember anyone tagging over the pieces done around New York while the Pet Shop was open (5 or so years ago).
I think this craze for tagging over Banksy is just attention seeking now they know it gets noticed... which is kind of what tagging is about anyway.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 11:36:46 GMT 1, Thanks Graff.
Thanks Graff.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 8, 2013 11:37:31 GMT 1, Its a derogatory term for an unskilled graffiti artist
Interesting. Do you happen to know its etymology?
Edit: And thank you Graffuturism for sharing your graffiti knowledge.
Its a derogatory term for an unskilled graffiti artist Interesting. Do you happen to know its etymology? Edit: And thank you Graffuturism for sharing your graffiti knowledge. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 11:42:41 GMT 1, Graff., i found this link to a glossary of terms used by Graffiti writers, is it correct or a load of rubbish?.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_graffiti
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 8, 2013 11:43:40 GMT 1, I see everyone complain about this Omar charachter and associate him as some toy tagger, yet it was mentioned this guy dissed Banksy in NY as Team Robbo before. So Team Robbo is now catching up with banksy in NY and now shouldnt we expect more damage like this? Why do people not see the facts and are so quick to blame taggers, am I missing something here was'nt this particular case old Banksy Beef that ruined it for everyone not just some random tagger. Second question as I was not on the forum, how did the forum react to the Team Robbo disses to banksy's work back at home? I would imagine it didnt happen as fast as these are, but as I stated earlier the addition to a BOTI instagram has sped this up drastically compared to back home when a piece could last longer pre-instagram.
To all intents and purposes, Omar appears to be some douche with no beef with banksy, but who just wants to tag his work, just because. Robbo felt he had a legitimate issue with banksy and had a clever dialogue / battle with him, using his style and wit to make his point. Bit more advanced than someone spraying over something to simply ruin an image and add nothing.
Graffuturism, perhaps u can help us non Americans out by explain the law of the streets out there and what someone like banksy would need to do to be 'accepted' and not be treated in this way? Would be useful to know the principle and history behind tagging too and what's being added in a 'sense' when it's done. I personally struggle to understand what someone who has the support of everyone from shep to Ron English needs to do to gain the 'acceptance' of the NYC street. Although, personally the street acceptance is probably something most people stopped giving a shit about once they turned 21...
I see everyone complain about this Omar charachter and associate him as some toy tagger, yet it was mentioned this guy dissed Banksy in NY as Team Robbo before. So Team Robbo is now catching up with banksy in NY and now shouldnt we expect more damage like this? Why do people not see the facts and are so quick to blame taggers, am I missing something here was'nt this particular case old Banksy Beef that ruined it for everyone not just some random tagger. Second question as I was not on the forum, how did the forum react to the Team Robbo disses to banksy's work back at home? I would imagine it didnt happen as fast as these are, but as I stated earlier the addition to a BOTI instagram has sped this up drastically compared to back home when a piece could last longer pre-instagram. To all intents and purposes, Omar appears to be some douche with no beef with banksy, but who just wants to tag his work, just because. Robbo felt he had a legitimate issue with banksy and had a clever dialogue / battle with him, using his style and wit to make his point. Bit more advanced than someone spraying over something to simply ruin an image and add nothing. Graffuturism, perhaps u can help us non Americans out by explain the law of the streets out there and what someone like banksy would need to do to be 'accepted' and not be treated in this way? Would be useful to know the principle and history behind tagging too and what's being added in a 'sense' when it's done. I personally struggle to understand what someone who has the support of everyone from shep to Ron English needs to do to gain the 'acceptance' of the NYC street. Although, personally the street acceptance is probably something most people stopped giving a shit about once they turned 21... |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 8, 2013 11:46:30 GMT 1,
Yes its very accurate, and my definition was close to theirs haha. Im not sure where or how the term came to be its been around since I was a young toy and that was decades ago.
Yes its very accurate, and my definition was close to theirs haha. Im not sure where or how the term came to be its been around since I was a young toy and that was decades ago. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 8, 2013 11:47:59 GMT 1, I don't remember anyone tagging over the pieces done around New York while the Pet Shop was open (5 or so years ago). I think this craze for tagging over Banksy is just attention seeking now they know it gets noticed... which is kind of what tagging is about anyway.
Look back a couple of pages someone posted the picture, the exact same guy Omar dissed a Banksy piece and had the time to write Team Robbo on it that time.
I don't remember anyone tagging over the pieces done around New York while the Pet Shop was open (5 or so years ago). I think this craze for tagging over Banksy is just attention seeking now they know it gets noticed... which is kind of what tagging is about anyway. Look back a couple of pages someone posted the picture, the exact same guy Omar dissed a Banksy piece and had the time to write Team Robbo on it that time. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 11:48:37 GMT 1, I don't remember anyone tagging over the pieces done around New York while the Pet Shop was open (5 or so years ago). .
Considering they were legally placed on huge billboards by an ad agency I'm not entirely surprised.
I don't remember anyone tagging over the pieces done around New York while the Pet Shop was open (5 or so years ago). . Considering they were legally placed on huge billboards by an ad agency I'm not entirely surprised. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 8, 2013 11:56:07 GMT 1, 
Rowan posted this pic a couple pages back.
and Lunchspecial had this to say a couple pages back. "Omar is a team Robbo jocker. He was the one that dissed a few of the pieces last time Robin it up NYC. He dissed the brooklyn jail cell across from brooklyn house of detention also. His day will come. He will either get caught out there and taught a lesson or a lesson will be taught upon him. Hopefully an angry mob of fans will tie him to a few horses one day and...
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/109487?page=63#ixzz2h7vW4QJG
Rowan posted this pic a couple pages back. and Lunchspecial had this to say a couple pages back. "Omar is a team Robbo jocker. He was the one that dissed a few of the pieces last time Robin it up NYC. He dissed the brooklyn jail cell across from brooklyn house of detention also. His day will come. He will either get caught out there and taught a lesson or a lesson will be taught upon him. Hopefully an angry mob of fans will tie him to a few horses one day and... Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/109487?page=63#ixzz2h7vW4QJG |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Agent Provocateur on Oct 8, 2013 11:56:15 GMT 1, I will just caveat my last post with... I do not presume to know or have any inkling how Banksy cuts and sprays (by a long way!), if I did I'd be less poor than I am now. The process I outlined is how I would have done it seeing the final result.
I will just caveat my last post with... I do not presume to know or have any inkling how Banksy cuts and sprays (by a long way!), if I did I'd be less poor than I am now. The process I outlined is how I would have done it seeing the final result.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 12:07:21 GMT 1, I don't remember anyone tagging over the pieces done around New York while the Pet Shop was open (5 or so years ago). . Considering they were legally placed on huge billboards by an ad agency I'm not entirely surprised.
I don't remember anyone tagging over the pieces done around New York while the Pet Shop was open (5 or so years ago). . Considering they were legally placed on huge billboards by an ad agency I'm not entirely surprised. How is that "Looks a bit like an Elephant' one doing?, did it stay or go?. Also, i wonder what happened to all the animatronics from the show there?. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 12:09:25 GMT 1, I will just caveat my last post with... I do not presume to know or have any inkling how Banksy cuts and sprays (by a long way!), if I did I'd be less poor than I am now. The process I outlined is how I would have done it seeing the final result.
I will just caveat my last post with... I do not presume to know or have any inkling how Banksy cuts and sprays (by a long way!), if I did I'd be less poor than I am now. The process I outlined is how I would have done it seeing the final result. I heard on the Gropevine that Banksy is related to you AP?, this would tie in with your exact knowledge of his working practices. |
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 8, 2013 12:15:37 GMT 1, Graffuturism, perhaps u can help us non Americans out by explain the law of the streets out there and what someone like banksy would need to do to be 'accepted' and not be treated in this way? Would be useful to know the principle and history behind tagging too and what's being added in a 'sense' when it's done. I personally struggle to understand what someone who has the support of everyone from shep to Ron English needs to do to gain the 'acceptance' of the NYC street. Although, personally the street acceptance is probably something most people stopped giving a s**t about once they turned 21... My point is this really doesnt have much to do with graffiti writers dissing banksy as a whole, everyone is blaming graffiti writers but as a whole its been a range of people writing over his stuff. Besides the BTM tag over one of the pieces, which was confirmed on 12ozprophet as being the real BTM I havent seen any respected or real taggers making an attempt to diss him. Most of the guys know the eyes on them and I just havnt seen it happen. The first sign was replaced and mocked by the Smart Crew which is another respected Ny crew, they added to the piece after the sign was stolen and put their own sign on it with their symbol and painted a new arm saying street art not allowed. That was a respectable play on the piece by real writers who could have easily defaced it, and defaced with style nice tags or a throwup covering it. They chose to play with it leaving it complete, which for me shows respect. The second piece was tagged on by what i would call more basic writers could have been kids, and it did involve fans writing on it. Those tags were amateur at best. The dog was the same it wasnt tagged on by any real respected or graffiti artists that anyone would know. The playground Mobb piece contained the word Mob in it and BTM sometimes stands for Big Time Mob, which could have provoked the tag on it. This last one was to me Robbo Beef, which is why I hate the fact people lump all taggers into going over Banksy. It seems that he is getting some sort of respect from the established writers and he might actually be with some of them, as I have stated before I am sure he would be hanging writers and artists. Saying that this whole spectacle is multiplied x10 because he is hyping it and bringing traffic to the pieces, which will always bring some bad apples. To me and its maybe because I can see the difference in a tag from a 15 yr old, and a 40 yr old, and a iphone user trying to look cool. So I see it differently than many others.
Graffuturism, perhaps u can help us non Americans out by explain the law of the streets out there and what someone like banksy would need to do to be 'accepted' and not be treated in this way? Would be useful to know the principle and history behind tagging too and what's being added in a 'sense' when it's done. I personally struggle to understand what someone who has the support of everyone from shep to Ron English needs to do to gain the 'acceptance' of the NYC street. Although, personally the street acceptance is probably something most people stopped giving a s**t about once they turned 21... My point is this really doesnt have much to do with graffiti writers dissing banksy as a whole, everyone is blaming graffiti writers but as a whole its been a range of people writing over his stuff. Besides the BTM tag over one of the pieces, which was confirmed on 12ozprophet as being the real BTM I havent seen any respected or real taggers making an attempt to diss him. Most of the guys know the eyes on them and I just havnt seen it happen. The first sign was replaced and mocked by the Smart Crew which is another respected Ny crew, they added to the piece after the sign was stolen and put their own sign on it with their symbol and painted a new arm saying street art not allowed. That was a respectable play on the piece by real writers who could have easily defaced it, and defaced with style nice tags or a throwup covering it. They chose to play with it leaving it complete, which for me shows respect. The second piece was tagged on by what i would call more basic writers could have been kids, and it did involve fans writing on it. Those tags were amateur at best. The dog was the same it wasnt tagged on by any real respected or graffiti artists that anyone would know. The playground Mobb piece contained the word Mob in it and BTM sometimes stands for Big Time Mob, which could have provoked the tag on it. This last one was to me Robbo Beef, which is why I hate the fact people lump all taggers into going over Banksy. It seems that he is getting some sort of respect from the established writers and he might actually be with some of them, as I have stated before I am sure he would be hanging writers and artists. Saying that this whole spectacle is multiplied x10 because he is hyping it and bringing traffic to the pieces, which will always bring some bad apples. To me and its maybe because I can see the difference in a tag from a 15 yr old, and a 40 yr old, and a iphone user trying to look cool. So I see it differently than many others. |
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