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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by stylus on Oct 14, 2013 9:08:23 GMT 1, This has to rank right up there with the funniest things Banksy has ever done.
This has to rank right up there with the funniest things Banksy has ever done.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by t3c on Oct 14, 2013 9:15:12 GMT 1, i'm quite glad i went off-grid yesterday, knowing of this would've ruined my Sunday
clever sod is Mr B
i'm quite glad i went off-grid yesterday, knowing of this would've ruined my Sunday
clever sod is Mr B
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by dotdot on Oct 14, 2013 9:22:10 GMT 1, 13th normally unlucky for some , but yesterday For some the 13th will be a day they'll never forget.
Good for them..
13th normally unlucky for some , but yesterday For some the 13th will be a day they'll never forget.
Good for them..
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 14, 2013 9:30:29 GMT 1, Would PEST Control authenticate the pieces? I doubt they came with a COA. And maybe, similar to the street art, they would refuse to authenticate it so that the buyers could only enjoy the originals, not make huge profits..
I think it's almost certain that Pest Control WILL authenticate them. They are not street pieces - they are original signed canvases that have been created for the purpose of legitimate sale.
And the people who bought them paid real money for them direct from source - doesn't matter that it was only $60. I think Pest Control would find itself in all sorts of legal trouble if they attempted to go down the non-authentication route in this instance. And I'm sure they have no intention of doing so.
It would also take something away from it if the pieces could not be authenticated. A big part of the concept here is that a few lucky people walked away with canvases worth tens of thousands for $60.
Would PEST Control authenticate the pieces? I doubt they came with a COA. And maybe, similar to the street art, they would refuse to authenticate it so that the buyers could only enjoy the originals, not make huge profits.. I think it's almost certain that Pest Control WILL authenticate them. They are not street pieces - they are original signed canvases that have been created for the purpose of legitimate sale. And the people who bought them paid real money for them direct from source - doesn't matter that it was only $60. I think Pest Control would find itself in all sorts of legal trouble if they attempted to go down the non-authentication route in this instance. And I'm sure they have no intention of doing so. It would also take something away from it if the pieces could not be authenticated. A big part of the concept here is that a few lucky people walked away with canvases worth tens of thousands for $60.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Goooogle Male on Oct 14, 2013 9:33:09 GMT 1, The saving grace from this brilliant, excruciating stunt is that we know he sill has all the old school stencils!!!
The saving grace from this brilliant, excruciating stunt is that we know he sill has all the old school stencils!!!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 9:35:21 GMT 1, Damn it! I'm trying to get hold of a canvas. Why doesn't that old dude sell stuff on the forum...? Hi Silver,
I was just thinking of emailing you with the new Banksy 'piece' ... Canvases and prints will be getting cheaper if he starts giving them away
Damn it! I'm trying to get hold of a canvas. Why doesn't that old dude sell stuff on the forum...? Hi Silver, I was just thinking of emailing you with the new Banksy 'piece' ... Canvases and prints will be getting cheaper if he starts giving them away
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by stenev on Oct 14, 2013 9:36:26 GMT 1, Would PEST Control authenticate the pieces? I doubt they came with a COA. And maybe, similar to the street art, they would refuse to authenticate it so that the buyers could only enjoy the originals, not make huge profits.. I think it's almost certain that Pest Control WILL authenticate them. They are not street pieces - they are original signed canvases that have been created for the purpose of legitimate sale. And the people who bought them paid real money for them - doesn't matter that it was only $60. I think Pest Control would find itself in all sorts of legal trouble if they attempted to go down the non-authentication route in this instance. And I'm sure they have no intention of doing so. Exactly - And the whole reason this works is the fact that they are worth a fortune. It would be pretty pointless if the pieces were worthless.
Would PEST Control authenticate the pieces? I doubt they came with a COA. And maybe, similar to the street art, they would refuse to authenticate it so that the buyers could only enjoy the originals, not make huge profits.. I think it's almost certain that Pest Control WILL authenticate them. They are not street pieces - they are original signed canvases that have been created for the purpose of legitimate sale. And the people who bought them paid real money for them - doesn't matter that it was only $60. I think Pest Control would find itself in all sorts of legal trouble if they attempted to go down the non-authentication route in this instance. And I'm sure they have no intention of doing so. Exactly - And the whole reason this works is the fact that they are worth a fortune. It would be pretty pointless if the pieces were worthless.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by angel41 on Oct 14, 2013 9:37:20 GMT 1, Banksy's getting on a bit.
Banksy's getting on a bit.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by adewilliams on Oct 14, 2013 9:42:54 GMT 1, great stunt, speaks volumes. They do look like knock off pieces so maybe less desirable but the fact that they are probably the only pieces available from this show may make them priceless. Why is it impossible to talk about Banksy and price not be a factor.
great stunt, speaks volumes. They do look like knock off pieces so maybe less desirable but the fact that they are probably the only pieces available from this show may make them priceless. Why is it impossible to talk about Banksy and price not be a factor.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 9:42:55 GMT 1, This will def shake up the 'art' scene. I am with Silky, that ebay could be filled with fake Banksy canvases and people telling story's that they bought it from a new york stall. Will this effect all Banksy prices? I assume you are referring to values of editioned and possibly unique canvasses predominantly concerning those who have invested heavily in aftermarket (Gallery / Auction house / Private etc) purchases and are now worried about their investment Json?. I had a vision this morning, in that vision there was indeed a virtual group hug, between the greedy ones as well as those who had invested purely for the sake of financial gain, via their telephones and internet. I would not think that they have anything to worry unduly about though, the market will keep its prices up there somehow!,they are safe. I may be wrong but in my mind i like to imagine that Banksy doesnt really care much about this type of investor.
Anyhow, there were only a few canvasses sold and it isnt as though he has done this sort of thing before nor will he do it again, or maybe he already has and possibly will do again?.
* When i woke today i still found yesterdays stunt very good, i am still smiling about it,its a much needed kick in the arse for this old fart (me) and the art establishment IMO.*
Rock on.
Samuel Pepys
edit: I do not own any editioned Banksy canvasses or Banksy prints as yet, nor am i ever likey to own any canvasses, though v soon i am due to have a print by Banksy, the image of which i like and have since he did it, I could have bought an aftermarket fake / copy etc but chose to go for a Banksy one, my choice.
This will def shake up the 'art' scene. I am with Silky, that ebay could be filled with fake Banksy canvases and people telling story's that they bought it from a new york stall. Will this effect all Banksy prices? I assume you are referring to values of editioned and possibly unique canvasses predominantly concerning those who have invested heavily in aftermarket (Gallery / Auction house / Private etc) purchases and are now worried about their investment Json?. I had a vision this morning, in that vision there was indeed a virtual group hug, between the greedy ones as well as those who had invested purely for the sake of financial gain, via their telephones and internet. I would not think that they have anything to worry unduly about though, the market will keep its prices up there somehow!,they are safe. I may be wrong but in my mind i like to imagine that Banksy doesnt really care much about this type of investor. Anyhow, there were only a few canvasses sold and it isnt as though he has done this sort of thing before nor will he do it again, or maybe he already has and possibly will do again?. * When i woke today i still found yesterdays stunt very good, i am still smiling about it,its a much needed kick in the arse for this old fart (me) and the art establishment IMO.* Rock on. Samuel Pepys edit: I do not own any editioned Banksy canvasses or Banksy prints as yet, nor am i ever likey to own any canvasses, though v soon i am due to have a print by Banksy, the image of which i like and have since he did it, I could have bought an aftermarket fake / copy etc but chose to go for a Banksy one, my choice.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 9:46:22 GMT 1, The saving grace from this brilliant, excruciating stunt is that we know he sill has all the old school stencils!!! Existingstencilism.
The saving grace from this brilliant, excruciating stunt is that we know he sill has all the old school stencils!!! Existingstencilism.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 9:49:14 GMT 1, This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but I hope this talk of values and money doesn't ruin the breath of fresh air that has wafted through this forum for the past couple of weeks. Not since Adam Neates street drop have I enjoyed this place so much. Roll on the next piece (and peace)
This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but I hope this talk of values and money doesn't ruin the breath of fresh air that has wafted through this forum for the past couple of weeks. Not since Adam Neates street drop have I enjoyed this place so much. Roll on the next piece (and peace)
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by londonboy on Oct 14, 2013 9:55:22 GMT 1, Re pest control/Coa
I think the video is the best coa,no?
Re pest control/Coa
I think the video is the best coa,no?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by dotdot on Oct 14, 2013 9:55:33 GMT 1, Banksy's getting on a bit.
Yeah but he hates a haggle doesn't he..
But everyone gets a hug in the end.
Banksy's getting on a bit. Yeah but he hates a haggle doesn't he.. But everyone gets a hug in the end.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 9:59:22 GMT 1, This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but I hope this talk of values and money doesn't ruin the breath of fresh air that has wafted through this forum for the past couple of weeks. Not since Adam Neates street drop have I enjoyed this place so much. Roll on the next piece (and peace) Dead right MikeeP, That Neate event was brilliant and so is this one, PMSL yesterday evening when i looked on here and saw what he had done. Still plenty more like it to come yet i would hope.
This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but I hope this talk of values and money doesn't ruin the breath of fresh air that has wafted through this forum for the past couple of weeks. Not since Adam Neates street drop have I enjoyed this place so much. Roll on the next piece (and peace) Dead right MikeeP, That Neate event was brilliant and so is this one, PMSL yesterday evening when i looked on here and saw what he had done. Still plenty more like it to come yet i would hope.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kel on Oct 14, 2013 10:02:15 GMT 1, Taking away the fact that they are Banksy the stall sold 8 pieces and made $420 dollars that is a good days take for a market trader/street seller.
Taking away the fact that they are Banksy the stall sold 8 pieces and made $420 dollars that is a good days take for a market trader/street seller.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 10:03:26 GMT 1, This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but I hope this talk of values and money doesn't ruin the breath of fresh air that has wafted through this forum for the past couple of weeks. Not since Adam Neates street drop have I enjoyed this place so much. Roll on the next piece (and peace) Dead right MikeeP, That Neate event was brilliant and so is this one, PMSL yesterday evening when i looked on here and saw what he had done. Still plenty more like it to come yet i would hope. AND we are talking to each other for the first time in years....Thanks to Banksy !!! Hope you are well old mate.
This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but I hope this talk of values and money doesn't ruin the breath of fresh air that has wafted through this forum for the past couple of weeks. Not since Adam Neates street drop have I enjoyed this place so much. Roll on the next piece (and peace) Dead right MikeeP, That Neate event was brilliant and so is this one, PMSL yesterday evening when i looked on here and saw what he had done. Still plenty more like it to come yet i would hope. AND we are talking to each other for the first time in years....Thanks to Banksy !!! Hope you are well old mate.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 14, 2013 10:05:36 GMT 1, These will have no affect on the market at all. They are just a few more canvases to add to the load out there.
Will neither increase or decrease the number of knock offs.
This show will increase the Banksy brand and his status as an artist. So one would naturally assume that prices of his work will increase regardless.
He cannot stop that as it were if he keeps on working.
This just needs to be seen as the jape it was. He did not want to sell many the whole point was to just sell a couple. It's just another stunt, piece statement, comment......that hits the nail right on the head builds a hole new frenzy, includes and pulls in all the world's press. Almost every paper globally is covering it. The vid is being viewed everywhere. He just keeps upping the anti every couple of days......just superb
These will have no affect on the market at all. They are just a few more canvases to add to the load out there.
Will neither increase or decrease the number of knock offs.
This show will increase the Banksy brand and his status as an artist. So one would naturally assume that prices of his work will increase regardless.
He cannot stop that as it were if he keeps on working.
This just needs to be seen as the jape it was. He did not want to sell many the whole point was to just sell a couple. It's just another stunt, piece statement, comment......that hits the nail right on the head builds a hole new frenzy, includes and pulls in all the world's press. Almost every paper globally is covering it. The vid is being viewed everywhere. He just keeps upping the anti every couple of days......just superb
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 10:06:27 GMT 1, Hahaha true!, all well here fella,stink like a bastard as usual,all good. I am really enjoying this thread and even more the event, it keeps me glued to the computer!, not actually 'glued' though as that would be daft.
Got visitors over here this week coming from NY, im hoping they walked through CP yesterday!.
Hahaha true!, all well here fella,stink like a bastard as usual,all good. I am really enjoying this thread and even more the event, it keeps me glued to the computer!, not actually 'glued' though as that would be daft.
Got visitors over here this week coming from NY, im hoping they walked through CP yesterday!.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 10:09:18 GMT 1, I'd be suicidal if I'd have walked past that stall
I'd be suicidal if I'd have walked past that stall
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 14, 2013 10:14:02 GMT 1, These will have no affect on the market at all. They are just a few more canvases to add to the load out there. Will neither increase or decrease the number of knock offs. This show will increase the Banksy brand and his status as an artist. So one would naturally assume that prices of his work will increase regardless. He cannot stop that as it were if he keeps on working. This just needs to be seen as the jape it was. He did not want to sell many the whole point was to just sell a couple. It's just another stunt, piece statement, comment......that hits the nail right on the head builds a hole new frenzy, includes and pulls in all the world's press. Almost every paper globally is covering it. The vid is being viewed everywhere. He just keeps upping the anti every couple of days......just superb Couldn't agree more. I can't see any argument at all as to why it would have any effect on prices or knock offs. Only 8 pieces were sold in the end and its not like the canvas market has been flooded. These are actually harder to fake than anything else he has done as none us know the dimensions or the markings or the print run or numbering. Only the buyers and pc. Safest thing he has ever done!
These will have no affect on the market at all. They are just a few more canvases to add to the load out there. Will neither increase or decrease the number of knock offs. This show will increase the Banksy brand and his status as an artist. So one would naturally assume that prices of his work will increase regardless. He cannot stop that as it were if he keeps on working. This just needs to be seen as the jape it was. He did not want to sell many the whole point was to just sell a couple. It's just another stunt, piece statement, comment......that hits the nail right on the head builds a hole new frenzy, includes and pulls in all the world's press. Almost every paper globally is covering it. The vid is being viewed everywhere. He just keeps upping the anti every couple of days......just superb Couldn't agree more. I can't see any argument at all as to why it would have any effect on prices or knock offs. Only 8 pieces were sold in the end and its not like the canvas market has been flooded. These are actually harder to fake than anything else he has done as none us know the dimensions or the markings or the print run or numbering. Only the buyers and pc. Safest thing he has ever done!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by holden on Oct 14, 2013 10:20:11 GMT 1, I'm just completely blown away and trying to articulate why... I think it's the fact that the art on display on the stall is not the art at all. The art here has nothing to do with canvasses - it's is purely a conceptual idea which tackles some of the most fundamental artistic questions there are... What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art good? Who can spot "good" art if it's in front of their nose? To what extent is art hype? But it's actually more daring than that - he's actually asking "What is the true value of MY art?" - to which the answer seems to be no more than the canvas it's sprayed on lol Critics of Banksy often accuse him of not being a "real" artist - that his work is just visual "one liners" and puns. Yes, great placement and all that but not "art" in the high brow sense. I think this is on a completely different level from anything he has done before and is conceptually as high brow as it gets. He has answered those critics in incredible style and made a few lucky folk very happy in the process. Nice post and well put
His work once again has twisted my melon man
I'm just completely blown away and trying to articulate why... I think it's the fact that the art on display on the stall is not the art at all. The art here has nothing to do with canvasses - it's is purely a conceptual idea which tackles some of the most fundamental artistic questions there are... What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art good? Who can spot "good" art if it's in front of their nose? To what extent is art hype? But it's actually more daring than that - he's actually asking "What is the true value of MY art?" - to which the answer seems to be no more than the canvas it's sprayed on lol Critics of Banksy often accuse him of not being a "real" artist - that his work is just visual "one liners" and puns. Yes, great placement and all that but not "art" in the high brow sense. I think this is on a completely different level from anything he has done before and is conceptually as high brow as it gets. He has answered those critics in incredible style and made a few lucky folk very happy in the process. Nice post and well put His work once again has twisted my melon man
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 14, 2013 10:29:46 GMT 1, Morning all.
Well I had a rough night dreaming about original Banksy posters. Then I wake up to Grayson Perry's Art Quality Gauge.
Morning all. Well I had a rough night dreaming about original Banksy posters. Then I wake up to Grayson Perry's Art Quality Gauge.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by rioja on Oct 14, 2013 10:43:41 GMT 1, Not wanting to wander too OT but I've got a lot of time for Grayson Perry - he's about the most erudite voice around on art at the moment imo an I'd bet he loves the Banksy Art Sale. Here's the video link to accompany plip's post: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24498568
Not wanting to wander too OT but I've got a lot of time for Grayson Perry - he's about the most erudite voice around on art at the moment imo an I'd bet he loves the Banksy Art Sale. Here's the video link to accompany plip's post: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24498568
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by tonysantos2001 on Oct 14, 2013 10:47:10 GMT 1, Starting to think that loads of people on here have missed the point
And please, no more PDF jokes, after 121 pages it's actually STILL not funny! You're NOT in any exclusive gang and you had NO prior knowledge of ANY events so please, stop trying to pretend to be something that you're not.
Starting to think that loads of people on here have missed the point And please, no more PDF jokes, after 121 pages it's actually STILL not funny! You're NOT in any exclusive gang and you had NO prior knowledge of ANY events so please, stop trying to pretend to be something that you're not.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by spirit on Oct 14, 2013 10:55:35 GMT 1, Morning all. Well I had a rough night dreaming about original Banksy posters. Then I wake up to Grayson Perry's Art Quality Gauge.
Love GP - he was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning - he is giving a series of lectures on; What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art good etc...
It seemed like incredible timing after Mr Bs piece yesterday which was about exactly that - given that it is all over the news today I was very surprised it wasn't brought up in the interview. I hope he uses it as an example in his lectures.
Morning all. Well I had a rough night dreaming about original Banksy posters. Then I wake up to Grayson Perry's Art Quality Gauge. Love GP - he was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning - he is giving a series of lectures on; What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art good etc... It seemed like incredible timing after Mr Bs piece yesterday which was about exactly that - given that it is all over the news today I was very surprised it wasn't brought up in the interview. I hope he uses it as an example in his lectures.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Coach on Oct 14, 2013 10:57:44 GMT 1, Morning all. Well I had a rough night dreaming about original Banksy posters. Then I wake up to Grayson Perry's Art Quality Gauge. Love GP - he was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning - he is giving a series of lectures on; What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art goo etc... It seemed like incredible timing after Mr Bs piece yesterday which was about exactly that - given that it is all over the news today I was very surprised it wasn't brought up in the interview.
Coincidently I have just started a thread about the Reith lecture. Having heard adverts for it on radio 4 over the last few days, Ive been meaning to post about it for a while, but kept forgetting. Done now.
Morning all. Well I had a rough night dreaming about original Banksy posters. Then I wake up to Grayson Perry's Art Quality Gauge. Love GP - he was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning - he is giving a series of lectures on; What is art? Where is the value in art? What makes art goo etc... It seemed like incredible timing after Mr Bs piece yesterday which was about exactly that - given that it is all over the news today I was very surprised it wasn't brought up in the interview. Coincidently I have just started a thread about the Reith lecture. Having heard adverts for it on radio 4 over the last few days, Ive been meaning to post about it for a while, but kept forgetting. Done now.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Graham H on Oct 14, 2013 11:18:59 GMT 1, I think ink by the fact the buyers faces aren't blurred out would make me think that they were ok with the vid going out.. So, had been informed after purchasing... Not sure on the legalities of this.. But just a hunch
every credit to everyone involved in this shennanigans
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Would PEST Control authenticate the pieces? I doubt they came with a COA. And maybe, similar to the street art, they would refuse to authenticate it so that the buyers could only enjoy the originals, not make huge profits... One other thought: You can imagine after this, that lots of people will be creating these stalls with similar pieces and charging $60 a pop... But in general, I agree with those saying, that if (IF) you did stop and take a look, the wide variety of pieces, may have made you very curious. I like to think that team banksy would have perhaps informed these people at some point after they walked away? Otherwise they could very easily go through life not knowing what they actually bought. Not everyone is clued up about the show in new york, and certainly visitors from chicago/new zealand may not even know anyone that has seen the video with them in it.
I think ink by the fact the buyers faces aren't blurred out would make me think that they were ok with the vid going out.. So, had been informed after purchasing... Not sure on the legalities of this.. But just a hunch every credit to everyone involved in this shennanigans g Would PEST Control authenticate the pieces? I doubt they came with a COA. And maybe, similar to the street art, they would refuse to authenticate it so that the buyers could only enjoy the originals, not make huge profits... One other thought: You can imagine after this, that lots of people will be creating these stalls with similar pieces and charging $60 a pop... But in general, I agree with those saying, that if (IF) you did stop and take a look, the wide variety of pieces, may have made you very curious. I like to think that team banksy would have perhaps informed these people at some point after they walked away? Otherwise they could very easily go through life not knowing what they actually bought. Not everyone is clued up about the show in new york, and certainly visitors from chicago/new zealand may not even know anyone that has seen the video with them in it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 14, 2013 11:27:44 GMT 1, Thought that too
Thought that too
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 11:27:51 GMT 1, I would like to think they were not informed, it would be great if they were to just throw them up on a wall and actually enjoy looking at them regardless. However, i would just love to see their faces when and if they eventually do find out.
I would like to think they were not informed, it would be great if they were to just throw them up on a wall and actually enjoy looking at them regardless. However, i would just love to see their faces when and if they eventually do find out.
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