Hairbland
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 15, 2013 1:50:43 GMT 1, The tax would be on the profit when selling. Until then no tax.
The tax would be on the profit when selling. Until then no tax.
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naughtyshorty
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 15, 2013 1:51:38 GMT 1, Tax and fiscal responsibility is v important (see America). Expect a banksy "file your tax returns before April 1" image v soon. ;-) depressingly (and I'm not accusing you of this) but most people do tend to confuse personal and state level financial responsibility as one and the same, with similar facets, which totally misses the point, but makes it easier for politicians to get away with bs actions. I'd be incredibly susprised if this month passed without one sly dig at the state of affairs in the US, personally I'd like to see the gun debate hit first.
Fair point- although there are some similarities... Spending beyond your means, borrowing more than you can pay, putting the paying off of principal debt amounts off for longer than you should, borrowing more cash to get out of a whole, or better still inventing it ;-)
Agree with u that a nod to financial troubles would be good. I for one was v disappointed with the lack of relevant stuff he did with the Olympics and also the glitter gorilla at a time when so much other stuff was happening...
Tax and fiscal responsibility is v important (see America). Expect a banksy "file your tax returns before April 1" image v soon. ;-) depressingly (and I'm not accusing you of this) but most people do tend to confuse personal and state level financial responsibility as one and the same, with similar facets, which totally misses the point, but makes it easier for politicians to get away with bs actions. I'd be incredibly susprised if this month passed without one sly dig at the state of affairs in the US, personally I'd like to see the gun debate hit first. Fair point- although there are some similarities... Spending beyond your means, borrowing more than you can pay, putting the paying off of principal debt amounts off for longer than you should, borrowing more cash to get out of a whole, or better still inventing it ;-) Agree with u that a nod to financial troubles would be good. I for one was v disappointed with the lack of relevant stuff he did with the Olympics and also the glitter gorilla at a time when so much other stuff was happening...
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raindogs
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by raindogs on Oct 15, 2013 1:53:50 GMT 1, You look like a young simon cowell .. Are those shoes Lacoste ? not Lacoste, maybe Superga
You look like a young simon cowell .. Are those shoes Lacoste ? not Lacoste, maybe Superga
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naughtyshorty
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 15, 2013 1:54:31 GMT 1, The hydrant seems tagged by a true graffiti legend, RD357, from the 357crew* Below my first approach with graffiti in 1988 in a subway cab bombed by 357 crew (RD, JJ357, Lace and others). 25 years ago....
And...... It looks a bit shit now. Know this won't be a popular post. Am just speaking from pure aesthetics init
The hydrant seems tagged by a true graffiti legend, RD357, from the 357crew* Below my first approach with graffiti in 1988 in a subway cab bombed by 357 crew (RD, JJ357, Lace and others). 25 years ago.... And...... It looks a bit shit now. Know this won't be a popular post. Am just speaking from pure aesthetics init
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antigrav
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by antigrav on Oct 15, 2013 1:56:35 GMT 1, That is beautiful.
want need must have
With all the Gladiator 'talk' today I figured it was proper time to hang this: Spray Helmet by Nomadรฉ
That is beautiful. want need must haveWith all the Gladiator 'talk' today I figured it was proper time to hang this: Spray Helmet by Nomadรฉ
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londonboy
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by londonboy on Oct 15, 2013 1:58:19 GMT 1, It certainly remind me of the mรฉtro in Paris around that time..
Tags Tags everywhere ..
It certainly remind me of the mรฉtro in Paris around that time..
Tags Tags everywhere ..
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naughtyshorty
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 15, 2013 2:43:55 GMT 1, Funny to think about how you don't see much of that style of graff as much in public spaces.
Funny to think about how you don't see much of that style of graff as much in public spaces.
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nrgball
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 15, 2013 2:45:52 GMT 1, His life would be a lot easier after his identity was revealed. Also the word is that he might have a kid and what would you tell your kid if he/she gets older? Are you lying to your kid how you make your money? I think he is doing this great final 'show' and then call it quits.... I think he will burst the bubble himself. But i personally hope the Banksy myth will continue of course!! This will not be a final show by a long shot. His work is based on personal feeling on social commentary. Banksy's ability to absorb culture, digest it and then comment cleverly on the streets with stunts and paint is all driven from a need to express. His voice is too clear and loud to stop the dialogue. I guess in the end, I hope the dialogue continues as well.
His life would be a lot easier after his identity was revealed. Also the word is that he might have a kid and what would you tell your kid if he/she gets older? Are you lying to your kid how you make your money? I think he is doing this great final 'show' and then call it quits.... I think he will burst the bubble himself. But i personally hope the Banksy myth will continue of course!! This will not be a final show by a long shot. His work is based on personal feeling on social commentary. Banksy's ability to absorb culture, digest it and then comment cleverly on the streets with stunts and paint is all driven from a need to express. His voice is too clear and loud to stop the dialogue. I guess in the end, I hope the dialogue continues as well.
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nrgball
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 15, 2013 2:53:02 GMT 1, I really don't think prices would come down. If anything, prices might even go up with all the buzz. That combined with the fact he's said he'd quit doing street art if his identity is ever revealed. Even if he did reveal his identity, a lot of people would think it was faked as a prank. But I don't think he would just for the sake of privacy. It is so incredible to me, the issue of his anonymity. I am utterly paralyzed by its mysticism... and even further, with each new stunt he pulls and new piece that's revealed. To think that in today's world, with nothing being a secret, and everything so easily unearthed (lol see: dread pirate roberts), this "guy"... this "entity", has managed to maintain the shroud of secrecy; ugh, it's chilling - I love it. Take some time and imagine what it's like for him, what a revolving conflict there must be, between anonymity, celebrity, recognition, 'civilianhood'; the energy needed to keep this charade going, but more importantly to keep it relevant and creative, and duly powerful. It's a modern-day true life story of a Double Life. I for one don't want the myth to evaporate. I don't want to know who he is. I love not knowing. I think the instant we know who he is, he is rendered depressingly human and thus, no longer magical nor powerful. I don't want to not think of him in a superhero category; I don't want to know about him - certainly no more than he's allowed us to know. I respect him for what he does; I don't need a Wiki rundown on his personal life. It's that one magic trick that fvcks with your head SO MUCH that you can't dare find out how it's done; the others, okay fine it is fun to learn how they're conducted, but this one, this is that singular holy grail; the trick so perfect that knowing its secrets would end that world completely. I think David Choe can offer some insight into what its like to looks that anonymity. Though I do believe in Banksy's case, the double life allows him the privacy that he obviously covets. Sure he talks about not wanting to be connected with lots of illegal acts and his anonymity allows that to continue. Certainly adds to the fun. But I do think there is a layer of him wanting the world to stay the fuck out of his personal life. It also, imho, provides a voice that can remain clear and consistent instead of getting murky when weighed against a public person.
I really don't think prices would come down. If anything, prices might even go up with all the buzz. That combined with the fact he's said he'd quit doing street art if his identity is ever revealed. Even if he did reveal his identity, a lot of people would think it was faked as a prank. But I don't think he would just for the sake of privacy. It is so incredible to me, the issue of his anonymity. I am utterly paralyzed by its mysticism... and even further, with each new stunt he pulls and new piece that's revealed. To think that in today's world, with nothing being a secret, and everything so easily unearthed (lol see: dread pirate roberts), this "guy"... this "entity", has managed to maintain the shroud of secrecy; ugh, it's chilling - I love it. Take some time and imagine what it's like for him, what a revolving conflict there must be, between anonymity, celebrity, recognition, 'civilianhood'; the energy needed to keep this charade going, but more importantly to keep it relevant and creative, and duly powerful. It's a modern-day true life story of a Double Life. I for one don't want the myth to evaporate. I don't want to know who he is. I love not knowing. I think the instant we know who he is, he is rendered depressingly human and thus, no longer magical nor powerful. I don't want to not think of him in a superhero category; I don't want to know about him - certainly no more than he's allowed us to know. I respect him for what he does; I don't need a Wiki rundown on his personal life. It's that one magic trick that fvcks with your head SO MUCH that you can't dare find out how it's done; the others, okay fine it is fun to learn how they're conducted, but this one, this is that singular holy grail; the trick so perfect that knowing its secrets would end that world completely. I think David Choe can offer some insight into what its like to looks that anonymity. Though I do believe in Banksy's case, the double life allows him the privacy that he obviously covets. Sure he talks about not wanting to be connected with lots of illegal acts and his anonymity allows that to continue. Certainly adds to the fun. But I do think there is a layer of him wanting the world to stay the fuck out of his personal life. It also, imho, provides a voice that can remain clear and consistent instead of getting murky when weighed against a public person.
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naughtyshorty
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 15, 2013 3:00:43 GMT 1, Interesting debate. For me it's as simple as banksy wants to be the biggest and best artist in the world, but he doesn't want to be a celebrity. I think the criminal side of that is a convenient excuse, but it's a more a case of the celebrity side of it all is just not something he is interested in. And good on him. Especially in a world where vacuous celebrities are 10 a penny and infiltrate our lives more than they ever should.
Interesting debate. For me it's as simple as banksy wants to be the biggest and best artist in the world, but he doesn't want to be a celebrity. I think the criminal side of that is a convenient excuse, but it's a more a case of the celebrity side of it all is just not something he is interested in. And good on him. Especially in a world where vacuous celebrities are 10 a penny and infiltrate our lives more than they ever should.
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kbfrombk
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 15, 2013 3:12:37 GMT 1, Yep, but boy what a struggle it's got to be, at times! Walking around with this heavy, heavy secret; think about it: to be the best/most well known at something in the whole world, yet at the same time be so completely Unknown, to that world!?
It's quite cool.
Yep, but boy what a struggle it's got to be, at times! Walking around with this heavy, heavy secret; think about it: to be the best/most well known at something in the whole world, yet at the same time be so completely Unknown, to that world!?
It's quite cool.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 3:16:54 GMT 1, If it's not broke why fix it?
If it's not broke why fix it?
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duckyhoward
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by duckyhoward on Oct 15, 2013 3:22:13 GMT 1, Video of piece in Queens getting tagged over.
Tagging over piece in Queens
Loved the sale in Central Park from Sunday. Very clever. Great that he was 'hiding' in plain sight. Safely say i would have walked right past. Congrats to those who picked the few pieces up.
Video of piece in Queens getting tagged over. Tagging over piece in QueensLoved the sale in Central Park from Sunday. Very clever. Great that he was 'hiding' in plain sight. Safely say i would have walked right past. Congrats to those who picked the few pieces up.
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naughtyshorty
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 15, 2013 3:33:02 GMT 1, Yep, but boy what a struggle it's got to be, at times! Walking around with this heavy, heavy secret; think about it: to be the best/most well known at something in the whole world, yet at the same time be so completely Unknown, to that world!? It's quite cool.
V well put. I certainly couldn't do it or handle the pressure. That inner circle of his must be super tight. Would love to understand it and how it works / who's who
Yep, but boy what a struggle it's got to be, at times! Walking around with this heavy, heavy secret; think about it: to be the best/most well known at something in the whole world, yet at the same time be so completely Unknown, to that world!? It's quite cool. V well put. I certainly couldn't do it or handle the pressure. That inner circle of his must be super tight. Would love to understand it and how it works / who's who
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Rubys
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Rubys on Oct 15, 2013 4:06:29 GMT 1, Ha. No talent dick
Ha. No talent dick
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graffuturism
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 15, 2013 4:13:20 GMT 1, Damn Graffiti taggers carrying brushes now as well. No respect. Interesting read that they think they spotted Banksy I am sure there will be many saying they think they met him.
Damn Graffiti taggers carrying brushes now as well. No respect. Interesting read that they think they spotted Banksy I am sure there will be many saying they think they met him.
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mac
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by mac on Oct 15, 2013 4:42:58 GMT 1, Mentioned the Central Park stall to my girlfriend (who is from NY). She was speaking to a friend back home today and turns out he had walked straight past it after having a quick look. Even more interesting is that he has a couple of Bansky pieces and still didn't give it a second look.
Needless to say he is not a very happy chappy with himself...
Mentioned the Central Park stall to my girlfriend (who is from NY). She was speaking to a friend back home today and turns out he had walked straight past it after having a quick look. Even more interesting is that he has a couple of Bansky pieces and still didn't give it a second look.
Needless to say he is not a very happy chappy with himself...
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naughtyshorty
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 15, 2013 4:48:19 GMT 1, It would have broken me to have done that and then realised what had happened....
It would have broken me to have done that and then realised what had happened....
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nrgball
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 15, 2013 5:02:10 GMT 1, It would have broken me to have done that and then realised what had happened....
I have to admit. I'm glad I was out of state for the weekend. It would be quite painful being anywhere near this city on that day.
It would have broken me to have done that and then realised what had happened.... I have to admit. I'm glad I was out of state for the weekend. It would be quite painful being anywhere near this city on that day.
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naughtyshorty
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 15, 2013 5:12:01 GMT 1, Still bloody painful even talking about it! Great stunt tho. Definitely one of his best
Still bloody painful even talking about it! Great stunt tho. Definitely one of his best
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johnnyh
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 15, 2013 5:39:31 GMT 1, Damn Graffiti taggers carrying brushes now as well. No respect. Interesting read that they think they spotted Banksy I am sure there will be many saying they think they met him. Don't know about taggers but seen blokes more handy with a spade than that..........he did actually look a bit like Omar......
Damn Graffiti taggers carrying brushes now as well. No respect. Interesting read that they think they spotted Banksy I am sure there will be many saying they think they met him. Don't know about taggers but seen blokes more handy with a spade than that..........he did actually look a bit like Omar......
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graffuturism
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 15, 2013 5:45:04 GMT 1, Damn Graffiti taggers carrying brushes now as well. No respect. Interesting read that they think they spotted Banksy I am sure there will be many saying they think they met him. Don't know about taggers but seen blokes more handy with a spade than that..........he did actually look a bit like Omar......
I was being sarcastic as most have blamed all the graffiti artists as being the defacers of most Banksy's.
Damn Graffiti taggers carrying brushes now as well. No respect. Interesting read that they think they spotted Banksy I am sure there will be many saying they think they met him. Don't know about taggers but seen blokes more handy with a spade than that..........he did actually look a bit like Omar...... I was being sarcastic as most have blamed all the graffiti artists as being the defacers of most Banksy's.
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mac
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by mac on Oct 15, 2013 5:51:58 GMT 1, It would have broken me to have done that and then realised what had happened.... Yeah, I would have thought if you knew Bansky was doing a load of stuff in NY then you would at least have a second look, but I suppose you could just have easily thought that someone was making a quick buck knowing his exhibition being in town.
Anyway, I imagine the poor bastard will never live that one down with his missus; "what did you do today dear?", "Oh, I just walked past around US$ 900,000 worth of Banksys' that were selling for US$ 1800" "Oh really, that same guy whose stuff we have on the walls that you like, that's amazing, how many did you pick up? We can finally pay off the mortgage and take that holiday round the world we've always dreamed of and I'll even let you keep a few of them as I know he's your favourite" "Uhhh.... " At that point I'd jump out the window..
It would have broken me to have done that and then realised what had happened.... Yeah, I would have thought if you knew Bansky was doing a load of stuff in NY then you would at least have a second look, but I suppose you could just have easily thought that someone was making a quick buck knowing his exhibition being in town. Anyway, I imagine the poor bastard will never live that one down with his missus; "what did you do today dear?", "Oh, I just walked past around US$ 900,000 worth of Banksys' that were selling for US$ 1800" "Oh really, that same guy whose stuff we have on the walls that you like, that's amazing, how many did you pick up? We can finally pay off the mortgage and take that holiday round the world we've always dreamed of and I'll even let you keep a few of them as I know he's your favourite" "Uhhh.... " At that point I'd jump out the window..
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johnnyh
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 15, 2013 5:53:01 GMT 1, Sorry chap...I assumed that...my comments meant in exactly same way....
Sorry chap...I assumed that...my comments meant in exactly same way....
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graffuturism
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 15, 2013 6:26:54 GMT 1, Sorry chap...I assumed that...my comments meant in exactly same way.... Haha apologize had to read it twice.
Sorry chap...I assumed that...my comments meant in exactly same way.... Haha apologize had to read it twice.
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raindogs
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by raindogs on Oct 15, 2013 8:32:57 GMT 1, The hydrant seems tagged by a true graffiti legend, RD357, from the 357crewAnd...... It looks a bit s**t now. Know this won't be a popular post. Am just speaking from pure aesthetics init Don't know if your comment is popular or not, it is your opinion, I respect it. About aesthetics, generally de gustibus non disputandum est , but I think it is not only a matter of aesthetics. Graffuturism wrote better than me something about tags and graffiti culture: I totally agree. You can read more about the history of 357 crew here, and about the history of writing in Nyc here. About RD tag a couple of things. Banksy piece was tagged by RD, as I can see, a couple of days ago, several days after the piece was on the wall, and after it had been already massively bombed. So I assume there was no intention to gain easy exposure near Banksy. As you can see below, nowadays, tipically the RD tag appears on hydrants. So in my opinion the tag on Banksy hydrant doesn't sound as an hate expression, it just... completes it!
The hydrant seems tagged by a true graffiti legend, RD357, from the 357crewAnd...... It looks a bit s**t now. Know this won't be a popular post. Am just speaking from pure aesthetics init Don't know if your comment is popular or not, it is your opinion, I respect it. About aesthetics, generally de gustibus non disputandum est , but I think it is not only a matter of aesthetics. Graffuturism wrote better than me something about tags and graffiti culture: I totally agree. You can read more about the history of 357 crew here, and about the history of writing in Nyc here. About RD tag a couple of things. Banksy piece was tagged by RD, as I can see, a couple of days ago, several days after the piece was on the wall, and after it had been already massively bombed. So I assume there was no intention to gain easy exposure near Banksy. As you can see below, nowadays, tipically the RD tag appears on hydrants. So in my opinion the tag on Banksy hydrant doesn't sound as an hate expression, it just... completes it!
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naughtyshorty
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 15, 2013 8:43:47 GMT 1, Great links explaining some graff stuff there. Lots of stuff I didn't know
Great links explaining some graff stuff there. Lots of stuff I didn't know
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elwheel
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by elwheel on Oct 15, 2013 10:52:15 GMT 1, Good man raindogs. Good to have the context on RD. It does complete it.
Good man raindogs. Good to have the context on RD. It does complete it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Carrie on Oct 15, 2013 11:09:48 GMT 1, One of the commenters on the Mirror has hit today's 'Banksy online newspaper article bingo' award. If only he'd managed to mention Robbo as well. "Only people who know nothing about REAL Graffiti Art, would pay ยฃ20,000 for Bankys Stencils. They should look at 'Blek Le Rat', the frenchman who pioneered stencil graffiti art to see how similar Banksys work is to the creator of the movement. I personally dont know why the old Frenchman hasn't taken legal action against Banksy, such is the similarity of his work." Where do they keep getting ยฃ20k from? Even the small ones must be ยฃ30k plus and some of the bigger ones must be well over ยฃ50k The author of the original quote knows "nothing about REAL graffiti Art" if he thinks Blek should should take legal action on Banksy.
The pioneer isn't always the master, I mean, are the English national football team better than the Brazilian one? Blek may have pioneered the stencil technique - but Banksy mastered it!
One of the commenters on the Mirror has hit today's 'Banksy online newspaper article bingo' award. If only he'd managed to mention Robbo as well. "Only people who know nothing about REAL Graffiti Art, would pay ยฃ20,000 for Bankys Stencils. They should look at 'Blek Le Rat', the frenchman who pioneered stencil graffiti art to see how similar Banksys work is to the creator of the movement. I personally dont know why the old Frenchman hasn't taken legal action against Banksy, such is the similarity of his work." Where do they keep getting ยฃ20k from? Even the small ones must be ยฃ30k plus and some of the bigger ones must be well over ยฃ50k The author of the original quote knows "nothing about REAL graffiti Art" if he thinks Blek should should take legal action on Banksy. The pioneer isn't always the master, I mean, are the English national football team better than the Brazilian one? Blek may have pioneered the stencil technique - but Banksy mastered it!
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