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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Black Apple Art on Oct 16, 2013 1:58:44 GMT 1, Erm.........is that dog pissing on that 9/11 memorial piece? People don't look too outraged (apart from that one guy). I think Banksy will be fine. Disgraceful that the lady let her dog pee on a 9/11 memorial and shame on the people that are smiling and find it cute. Only seems to be one guy unhappy about it. Half of me is surprised and the other half is reminded of the total unconsciousness of the average picture snapper.
Erm.........is that dog pissing on that 9/11 memorial piece? People don't look too outraged (apart from that one guy). I think Banksy will be fine. Disgraceful that the lady let her dog pee on a 9/11 memorial and shame on the people that are smiling and find it cute. Only seems to be one guy unhappy about it. Half of me is surprised and the other half is reminded of the total unconsciousness of the average picture snapper.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by dreadnatty on Oct 16, 2013 2:12:36 GMT 1, Only seems to be one guy unhappy about it. Half of me is surprised and the other half is reminded of the total unconsciousness of the average picture snapper. I was there when it happened. As soon as the dog started to pee she pulled it away and everyone was booing and yelling not really laughing. Glad to hear that AFR1KA. Restores my faith in humanity/fellow NYers I guess a picture isnt always worth 1000 words.
Only seems to be one guy unhappy about it. Half of me is surprised and the other half is reminded of the total unconsciousness of the average picture snapper. I was there when it happened. As soon as the dog started to pee she pulled it away and everyone was booing and yelling not really laughing. Glad to hear that AFR1KA. Restores my faith in humanity/fellow NYers I guess a picture isnt always worth 1000 words.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 16, 2013 2:21:00 GMT 1, V true. Pix looks like everyone is laughing and women with dog just wants to take a pic
V true. Pix looks like everyone is laughing and women with dog just wants to take a pic
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 2:36:34 GMT 1, Yo Viva, you should be crediting the guys who post the photos you nick from Instagram
Yo Viva, you should be crediting the guys who post the photos you nick from Instagram
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by yoyosh on Oct 16, 2013 2:40:28 GMT 1, Whomevers pic that is...it's a doozy.
Whomevers pic that is...it's a doozy.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 2:46:35 GMT 1, Just as an example this photo belongs to @socialstreger on instagram, Viva has not posted a single pic that actually belongs to him....
Just as an example this photo belongs to @socialstreger on instagram, Viva has not posted a single pic that actually belongs to him....
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Black Apple Art
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Black Apple Art on Oct 16, 2013 2:48:32 GMT 1, I was there when it happened. As soon as the dog started to pee she pulled it away and everyone was booing and yelling not really laughing. Glad to hear that AFR1KA. Restores my faith in humanity/fellow NYers I guess a picture isnt always worth 1000 words. Agree, going by the expressions the pic is very deceiving if that is how it played out. Where's the guy that was plotting the dots of map locations with his grand design theory... need an update.
I was there when it happened. As soon as the dog started to pee she pulled it away and everyone was booing and yelling not really laughing. Glad to hear that AFR1KA. Restores my faith in humanity/fellow NYers I guess a picture isnt always worth 1000 words. Agree, going by the expressions the pic is very deceiving if that is how it played out. Where's the guy that was plotting the dots of map locations with his grand design theory... need an update.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 2:56:53 GMT 1, and... just to say.... Pugs can pee wherever they like.
and... just to say.... Pugs can pee wherever they like.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by waltercrunk on Oct 16, 2013 3:18:56 GMT 1, and... just to say.... Pugs can pee wherever they like.
Indeed!
and... just to say.... Pugs can pee wherever they like. Indeed!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by gravity1 on Oct 16, 2013 3:27:30 GMT 1, and... just to say.... Pugs can pee wherever they like. Indeed!
So can the homeless
and... just to say.... Pugs can pee wherever they like. Indeed! So can the homeless
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kjzimm on Oct 16, 2013 5:56:16 GMT 1, On the subject of the Banksy art stall, I just want to say that I think that there are a few things to consider, when wondering why "so few" sold. 1. Banksy canvases and artwork are some of the most widely reproduced "cheap" artworks out there. They're up there with that green lady from the 70s and that rampant elephant from the 80s. Most major cities will have stores & markets selling them, and from what's been said here, NY has plenty. Quite a few people may even already have some of these images on their walls. 2. Banksy fans will probably think they're "doing right by Banksy" if they avoid buying these knock-offs or cheap imitations. 3. People that aren't Banksy fans, will probably judge the art on its own merit, but quite a few will think $60 is a lot for a black and white sprayed image on canvas. There are considerations 4, 5 & 6 too, but I've just bored the arse off myself. My point is, the art on the stall wasn't just rejected purely on aesthetic grounds. There are many factors to consider. Stencil work is interesting (or not) as an art form because almost anyone can take a stencil and spray an identical Banksy onto a canvas. Where Banksy's "worth" lies, in my opinion, is that he is willing to place it onto things other than a canvas. One more thing to consider. I doubt even 5% of the people in NYC at any given time know the name Banksy and less than 1% could identify just one of his works. Of all my friends, only 2 have recognized the Trolleys hanging on my wall as a Banksy.
On the subject of the Banksy art stall, I just want to say that I think that there are a few things to consider, when wondering why "so few" sold. 1. Banksy canvases and artwork are some of the most widely reproduced "cheap" artworks out there. They're up there with that green lady from the 70s and that rampant elephant from the 80s. Most major cities will have stores & markets selling them, and from what's been said here, NY has plenty. Quite a few people may even already have some of these images on their walls. 2. Banksy fans will probably think they're "doing right by Banksy" if they avoid buying these knock-offs or cheap imitations. 3. People that aren't Banksy fans, will probably judge the art on its own merit, but quite a few will think $60 is a lot for a black and white sprayed image on canvas. There are considerations 4, 5 & 6 too, but I've just bored the arse off myself. My point is, the art on the stall wasn't just rejected purely on aesthetic grounds. There are many factors to consider. Stencil work is interesting (or not) as an art form because almost anyone can take a stencil and spray an identical Banksy onto a canvas. Where Banksy's "worth" lies, in my opinion, is that he is willing to place it onto things other than a canvas. One more thing to consider. I doubt even 5% of the people in NYC at any given time know the name Banksy and less than 1% could identify just one of his works. Of all my friends, only 2 have recognized the Trolleys hanging on my wall as a Banksy.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 16, 2013 6:40:59 GMT 1, Time to ditcch those friends dude
Time to ditcch those friends dude
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 7:09:23 GMT 1, I have had a Banky print up on the wall, but only a couple of my friends knew it was a Banksy. Most of them are writers themselves. Now (after Central Park and it's coverage on that stunt) almost everybody is talking about Bansky... Bunky... Banky.. and Banksy. Even my mom called and asked if the print on my wall was from that guy who gave away his canvases in new york. And asked if my print was also that valuable
I have had a Banky print up on the wall, but only a couple of my friends knew it was a Banksy. Most of them are writers themselves. Now (after Central Park and it's coverage on that stunt) almost everybody is talking about Bansky... Bunky... Banky.. and Banksy. Even my mom called and asked if the print on my wall was from that guy who gave away his canvases in new york. And asked if my print was also that valuable
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by floubi on Oct 16, 2013 7:32:07 GMT 1, Oh yeah, seems invader is doin his New York art4 space screening in New York on the 29th oct. gonna be a good few days to be in nyc U have a link for that?
www.space-invaders.com/cheersfromspace/
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 16, 2013 7:33:03 GMT 1, I have had a Banky print up on the wall, but only a couple of my friends knew it was a Banksy. Most of them are writers themselves. Now (after Central Park and it's coverage on that stunt) almost everybody is talking about Bansky... Bunky... Banky.. and Banksy. Even my mom called and asked if the print on my wall was from that guy who gave away his canvases in new york. And asked if my print was also that valuable Nah your print whatever it is does not have the same worth as a signed canvas........... Therefore it is not that valuable so in the region of around $20 unsigned & 25 signed, couple $'s variation depending on print. Plus odd exceptions like barcode reckon $40-45 signed
I have had a Banky print up on the wall, but only a couple of my friends knew it was a Banksy. Most of them are writers themselves. Now (after Central Park and it's coverage on that stunt) almost everybody is talking about Bansky... Bunky... Banky.. and Banksy. Even my mom called and asked if the print on my wall was from that guy who gave away his canvases in new york. And asked if my print was also that valuable Nah your print whatever it is does not have the same worth as a signed canvas........... Therefore it is not that valuable so in the region of around $20 unsigned & 25 signed, couple $'s variation depending on print. Plus odd exceptions like barcode reckon $40-45 signed
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 7:41:17 GMT 1, I have had a Banky print up on the wall, but only a couple of my friends knew it was a Banksy. Most of them are writers themselves. Now (after Central Park and it's coverage on that stunt) almost everybody is talking about Bansky... Bunky... Banky.. and Banksy. Even my mom called and asked if the print on my wall was from that guy who gave away his canvases in new york. And asked if my print was also that valuable Nah your print whatever it is does not have the same worth as a signed canvas........... Therefore it is not that valuable so in the region of around $20 unsigned & 25 signed, couple $'s variation depending on print. Plus odd exceptions like barcode reckon $40-45 signed $40-$45 is not bad for a print, considering a signed canvas is $60 ...
I'll trade the print plus $15 for a signed Banksy canvas any day.
I have had a Banky print up on the wall, but only a couple of my friends knew it was a Banksy. Most of them are writers themselves. Now (after Central Park and it's coverage on that stunt) almost everybody is talking about Bansky... Bunky... Banky.. and Banksy. Even my mom called and asked if the print on my wall was from that guy who gave away his canvases in new york. And asked if my print was also that valuable Nah your print whatever it is does not have the same worth as a signed canvas........... Therefore it is not that valuable so in the region of around $20 unsigned & 25 signed, couple $'s variation depending on print. Plus odd exceptions like barcode reckon $40-45 signed $40-$45 is not bad for a print, considering a signed canvas is $60 ... I'll trade the print plus $15 for a signed Banksy canvas any day.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 16, 2013 7:45:39 GMT 1, Nah your print whatever it is does not have the same worth as a signed canvas........... Therefore it is not that valuable so in the region of around $20 unsigned & 25 signed, couple $'s variation depending on print. Plus odd exceptions like barcode reckon $40-45 signed $40-$45 is not bad for a print, considering a signed canvas is $60 ... I'll trade the print plus $15 for a signed Banksy canvas any day. Got a couple of canvasses picked up in Camden market london last time I was over happy to swap depending on prints and if signed. Will want $20 cash though to seal the deal
Nah your print whatever it is does not have the same worth as a signed canvas........... Therefore it is not that valuable so in the region of around $20 unsigned & 25 signed, couple $'s variation depending on print. Plus odd exceptions like barcode reckon $40-45 signed $40-$45 is not bad for a print, considering a signed canvas is $60 ... I'll trade the print plus $15 for a signed Banksy canvas any day. Got a couple of canvasses picked up in Camden market london last time I was over happy to swap depending on prints and if signed. Will want $20 cash though to seal the deal
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 16, 2013 7:47:37 GMT 1, bloody hell TEAM ROBBO have given this piece a battering haven't they
I don't reckon its team robbo. Looks too scrappy and I expect team robbo have all moved on
bloody hell TEAM ROBBO have given this piece a battering haven't they I don't reckon its team robbo. Looks too scrappy and I expect team robbo have all moved on
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 7:49:29 GMT 1, $40-$45 is not bad for a print, considering a signed canvas is $60 ... I'll trade the print plus $15 for a signed Banksy canvas any day. Got a couple of canvasses picked up in Camden market london last time I was over happy to swap depending on prints and if signed. Will want $20 cash though to seal the deal $20 sounds okay to me mate. Just as you pay for shipping. And give me some time to get this damn WCP stamp of the back...
$40-$45 is not bad for a print, considering a signed canvas is $60 ... I'll trade the print plus $15 for a signed Banksy canvas any day. Got a couple of canvasses picked up in Camden market london last time I was over happy to swap depending on prints and if signed. Will want $20 cash though to seal the deal $20 sounds okay to me mate. Just as you pay for shipping. And give me some time to get this damn WCP stamp of the back...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Quinnster on Oct 16, 2013 7:50:03 GMT 1, I would gurantee it was Banksy taking it away as it was already damaged enough with the stolen doors. He obviously leased the lot and installed it so it makes sense he would take it down when it seemed the right time, I am sure it would have not been taken down if the other parts werent stolen.
You are just making a guess with no information to back it up. There was the zebra car in London for ages, the door came up on eBay for ยฃ20k
I would gurantee it was Banksy taking it away as it was already damaged enough with the stolen doors. He obviously leased the lot and installed it so it makes sense he would take it down when it seemed the right time, I am sure it would have not been taken down if the other parts werent stolen. You are just making a guess with no information to back it up. There was the zebra car in London for ages, the door came up on eBay for ยฃ20k
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by fingerz on Oct 16, 2013 7:58:16 GMT 1, I don't reckon its team robbo. Looks too scrappy and I expect team robbo have all moved on
TEAM ROBBO are still going strong
I don't reckon its team robbo. Looks too scrappy and I expect team robbo have all moved on
TEAM ROBBO are still going strong
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 16, 2013 8:01:25 GMT 1, Got a couple of canvasses picked up in Camden market london last time I was over happy to swap depending on prints and if signed. Will want $20 cash though to seal the deal $20 sounds okay to me mate. Just as you pay for shipping. And give me some time to get this damn WCP stamp of the back... Aaahhh bollocks......had just made me self a cuppa tea and had this big smug grin on me face pleased as punch..........
"Honey you would not believe how clever your old man is"
5 minutes later your post and her answer
"actually honey I do..........think sometimes you forget just how clever you are"
there started another shit day.......cheers chap
Got a couple of canvasses picked up in Camden market london last time I was over happy to swap depending on prints and if signed. Will want $20 cash though to seal the deal $20 sounds okay to me mate. Just as you pay for shipping. And give me some time to get this damn WCP stamp of the back... Aaahhh bollocks......had just made me self a cuppa tea and had this big smug grin on me face pleased as punch.......... "Honey you would not believe how clever your old man is" 5 minutes later your post and her answer "actually honey I do..........think sometimes you forget just how clever you are" there started another shit day.......cheers chap
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by floubi on Oct 16, 2013 8:02:46 GMT 1, Why do so many people want art from a street wall, inside their living room? Ooooo! I know, I know! Pick me!! Because then Omar can't sh*t on it?
HB Frithar!!
Why do so many people want art from a street wall, inside their living room? Ooooo! I know, I know! Pick me!! Because then Omar can't sh*t on it? HB Frithar!!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 8:05:04 GMT 1, $20 sounds okay to me mate. Just as you pay for shipping. And give me some time to get this damn WCP stamp of the back... Aaahhh bollocks......had just made me self a cuppa tea and had this big smug grin on me face pleased as punch.......... "Honey you would not believe how clever your old man is" 5 minutes later your post and her answer "actually honey I do..........think sometimes you forget just how clever you are" there started another s**t day.......cheers chap
$20 sounds okay to me mate. Just as you pay for shipping. And give me some time to get this damn WCP stamp of the back... Aaahhh bollocks......had just made me self a cuppa tea and had this big smug grin on me face pleased as punch.......... "Honey you would not believe how clever your old man is" 5 minutes later your post and her answer "actually honey I do..........think sometimes you forget just how clever you are" there started another s**t day.......cheers chap
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by naughtyshorty on Oct 16, 2013 8:20:48 GMT 1, I don't reckon its team robbo. Looks too scrappy and I expect team robbo have all moved on TEAM ROBBO are still going strong
Don't get me wrong- am sure they are. I just meant that I would be surprised if they still cared about banksy
I don't reckon its team robbo. Looks too scrappy and I expect team robbo have all moved on TEAM ROBBO are still going strong Don't get me wrong- am sure they are. I just meant that I would be surprised if they still cared about banksy
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 16, 2013 8:29:41 GMT 1, I would gurantee it was Banksy taking it away as it was already damaged enough with the stolen doors. He obviously leased the lot and installed it so it makes sense he would take it down when it seemed the right time, I am sure it would have not been taken down if the other parts werent stolen. You are just making a guess with no information to back it up. There was the zebra car in London for ages, the door came up on eBay for ยฃ20k
Of course its a Guess but it is based on this whole week not one piece in London the he did awhile back. As most of the larger pieces and staged actions have been production oriented involving multiple paid charachters workers, and renting trucks, actors, drivers, it would lead me to think he would have also rented the lot rented the truck bed installed in the location without a truck attached to it as you can see. Maybe it was there maybe the car was also just accidently there as well but going by this month alone I would make a large bet that he would not take the chance to not secure that location and have those items set up. Did you see the pic there was cars there knowing it was being removed. This seems to me part of his production team. It was stated that the area was tarped for awhile while being installed. The stolen doors of course would seem to be stolen, but the public moving of all the items to me goes along with him having the key to the gate as he had time to install lights and so forth. Nothing about that installation or the taking down of it smells like some art thief making away with it.
I would gurantee it was Banksy taking it away as it was already damaged enough with the stolen doors. He obviously leased the lot and installed it so it makes sense he would take it down when it seemed the right time, I am sure it would have not been taken down if the other parts werent stolen. You are just making a guess with no information to back it up. There was the zebra car in London for ages, the door came up on eBay for ยฃ20k Of course its a Guess but it is based on this whole week not one piece in London the he did awhile back. As most of the larger pieces and staged actions have been production oriented involving multiple paid charachters workers, and renting trucks, actors, drivers, it would lead me to think he would have also rented the lot rented the truck bed installed in the location without a truck attached to it as you can see. Maybe it was there maybe the car was also just accidently there as well but going by this month alone I would make a large bet that he would not take the chance to not secure that location and have those items set up. Did you see the pic there was cars there knowing it was being removed. This seems to me part of his production team. It was stated that the area was tarped for awhile while being installed. The stolen doors of course would seem to be stolen, but the public moving of all the items to me goes along with him having the key to the gate as he had time to install lights and so forth. Nothing about that installation or the taking down of it smells like some art thief making away with it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 16, 2013 8:37:23 GMT 1, Graff not sure if you are right or wrong on the details but must agree I do not think much is happening by mistake here other than nearly getting caught etc. so think your analogy is pretty much spot on
Sure also he is making sure the likes of Bankrobber etc get nothing from the show. So whether him or someone connected this as you say appears to be being taken down as it were
Graff not sure if you are right or wrong on the details but must agree I do not think much is happening by mistake here other than nearly getting caught etc. so think your analogy is pretty much spot on
Sure also he is making sure the likes of Bankrobber etc get nothing from the show. So whether him or someone connected this as you say appears to be being taken down as it were
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 16, 2013 9:03:56 GMT 1, Thanks Johnnyh, like I said my guess is good as anyone elses but I would put a fair amount of money on it if I were a betting man. Also as the word spreads amongst peers I am sure people are starting to know people who are involved thus maybe why the new signs by Trustcorp coming out poking fun at being a millionaire and being able to afford to make such a production happen. Most of the street artists dont have a the budget for something of this scale. Yet its cool that he is spending his own money on this, you cant fault him for that.
On a side note there has been a large amount of his trucks and so forth ending up near important art locations such as the armory show and others. Maybe this could be his way of taking part in the 100 yr anniversary of the historic armory show, but doing it true to the culture of how the work sits insitu.
Thanks Johnnyh, like I said my guess is good as anyone elses but I would put a fair amount of money on it if I were a betting man. Also as the word spreads amongst peers I am sure people are starting to know people who are involved thus maybe why the new signs by Trustcorp coming out poking fun at being a millionaire and being able to afford to make such a production happen. Most of the street artists dont have a the budget for something of this scale. Yet its cool that he is spending his own money on this, you cant fault him for that.
On a side note there has been a large amount of his trucks and so forth ending up near important art locations such as the armory show and others. Maybe this could be his way of taking part in the 100 yr anniversary of the historic armory show, but doing it true to the culture of how the work sits insitu.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Quinnster on Oct 16, 2013 10:00:17 GMT 1, You are just making a guess with no information to back it up. There was the zebra car in London for ages, the door came up on eBay for ยฃ20k Of course its a Guess but it is based on this whole week not one piece in London the he did awhile back. As most of the larger pieces and staged actions have been production oriented involving multiple paid charachters workers, and renting trucks, actors, drivers, it would lead me to think he would have also rented the lot rented the truck bed installed in the location without a truck attached to it as you can see. Maybe it was there maybe the car was also just accidently there as well but going by this month alone I would make a large bet that he would not take the chance to not secure that location and have those items set up. Did you see the pic there was cars there knowing it was being removed. This seems to me part of his production team. It was stated that the area was tarped for awhile while being installed. The stolen doors of course would seem to be stolen, but the public moving of all the items to me goes along with him having the key to the gate as he had time to install lights and so forth. Nothing about that installation or the taking down of it smells like some art thief making away with it.
The way you talk is like you are in the know and your guess are the truth. You could not sell the crazy horse at auction as it would be stolen property. Bank robber buys private walls from the owner of the building. You do make some very good posts but you also talk a lot of rubbish and claim it's the truth with nothing to back it up.
You are just making a guess with no information to back it up. There was the zebra car in London for ages, the door came up on eBay for ยฃ20k Of course its a Guess but it is based on this whole week not one piece in London the he did awhile back. As most of the larger pieces and staged actions have been production oriented involving multiple paid charachters workers, and renting trucks, actors, drivers, it would lead me to think he would have also rented the lot rented the truck bed installed in the location without a truck attached to it as you can see. Maybe it was there maybe the car was also just accidently there as well but going by this month alone I would make a large bet that he would not take the chance to not secure that location and have those items set up. Did you see the pic there was cars there knowing it was being removed. This seems to me part of his production team. It was stated that the area was tarped for awhile while being installed. The stolen doors of course would seem to be stolen, but the public moving of all the items to me goes along with him having the key to the gate as he had time to install lights and so forth. Nothing about that installation or the taking down of it smells like some art thief making away with it. The way you talk is like you are in the know and your guess are the truth. You could not sell the crazy horse at auction as it would be stolen property. Bank robber buys private walls from the owner of the building. You do make some very good posts but you also talk a lot of rubbish and claim it's the truth with nothing to back it up.
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