Wearology
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Wearology on Oct 16, 2013 14:18:20 GMT 1, If there are any other NY members that have extra copies please PM me and I will send them out to our overseas members. The Village Voice switched over to the new Oct 16 - Oct 22 edition so all the old ones are now gone from the streets.
If there are any other NY members that have extra copies please PM me and I will send them out to our overseas members. The Village Voice switched over to the new Oct 16 - Oct 22 edition so all the old ones are now gone from the streets.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Rubys on Oct 16, 2013 14:24:57 GMT 1, Wear you are such a good bloke for hooking everyone up
Wear you are such a good bloke for hooking everyone up
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Carrie on Oct 16, 2013 14:26:58 GMT 1, I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Fair point. Some people might see this one as a poignant piece, while some might see it as tasteless (see the debate it started on just this forum), but in my extremely limited exposure to New York, it appears that New Yorkers aren't afraid of, and don't shy away from 9/11 imagery. Besides, it doesn't seem to glorify the attack. It's not like he painted a plane flying into one of the towers. I think this one will be well received. Besides, he seems a decent guy, and he's a guest there, so I think he's unlikely to s**t the bed. On a side note though, can anyone on here remember the last Banksy piece that people really didn't like? I would say more or less ALL of Banksys works have been controversial, and a high number of works have dealt with sensitive issues - why is this one so different to his previous works?
I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Fair point. Some people might see this one as a poignant piece, while some might see it as tasteless (see the debate it started on just this forum), but in my extremely limited exposure to New York, it appears that New Yorkers aren't afraid of, and don't shy away from 9/11 imagery. Besides, it doesn't seem to glorify the attack. It's not like he painted a plane flying into one of the towers. I think this one will be well received. Besides, he seems a decent guy, and he's a guest there, so I think he's unlikely to s**t the bed. On a side note though, can anyone on here remember the last Banksy piece that people really didn't like? I would say more or less ALL of Banksys works have been controversial, and a high number of works have dealt with sensitive issues - why is this one so different to his previous works?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by curiousgeorge on Oct 16, 2013 14:34:46 GMT 1, Zebra car was from a quarry in Somerset if memory serves..
Zebra car was from a quarry in Somerset if memory serves..
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 14:47:16 GMT 1, For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise?
For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 16, 2013 14:48:17 GMT 1, Fair point. Some people might see this one as a poignant piece, while some might see it as tasteless (see the debate it started on just this forum), but in my extremely limited exposure to New York, it appears that New Yorkers aren't afraid of, and don't shy away from 9/11 imagery. Besides, it doesn't seem to glorify the attack. It's not like he painted a plane flying into one of the towers. I think this one will be well received. Besides, he seems a decent guy, and he's a guest there, so I think he's unlikely to s**t the bed. On a side note though, can anyone on here remember the last Banksy piece that people really didn't like? I would say more or less ALL of Banksys works have been controversial, and a high number of works have dealt with sensitive issues - why is this one so different to his previous works?
Too much thought on how NY'ers feel about this - the Chinese vendors surrounded the hole in the ground with WTC/9-11 souvenirs once the area below Canal Street was reopened approximately 2 weeks after. We've fought here regarding the memorial, whether there are bodies in the Staten Island Arthur Kills dump.
To be honest regarding this piece I say "meh", a breather for Banksy before his next major work.
Fair point. Some people might see this one as a poignant piece, while some might see it as tasteless (see the debate it started on just this forum), but in my extremely limited exposure to New York, it appears that New Yorkers aren't afraid of, and don't shy away from 9/11 imagery. Besides, it doesn't seem to glorify the attack. It's not like he painted a plane flying into one of the towers. I think this one will be well received. Besides, he seems a decent guy, and he's a guest there, so I think he's unlikely to s**t the bed. On a side note though, can anyone on here remember the last Banksy piece that people really didn't like? I would say more or less ALL of Banksys works have been controversial, and a high number of works have dealt with sensitive issues - why is this one so different to his previous works? Too much thought on how NY'ers feel about this - the Chinese vendors surrounded the hole in the ground with WTC/9-11 souvenirs once the area below Canal Street was reopened approximately 2 weeks after. We've fought here regarding the memorial, whether there are bodies in the Staten Island Arthur Kills dump. To be honest regarding this piece I say "meh", a breather for Banksy before his next major work.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 16, 2013 14:53:30 GMT 1, I might well be wrong, but I imagine the 'team robbo' is sprayed by someone who's just decided to affiliate themselves on the 'team robbo' side. It's just become something you write when you go over Banksy's work innit. Heard back, Team Robbo not responsible. Also incase anyone is interested Robbo is still in a PV state requiring 24 hour care 7 days a week.
Thanks for the update.Wishing Robbo a full recovery
I might well be wrong, but I imagine the 'team robbo' is sprayed by someone who's just decided to affiliate themselves on the 'team robbo' side. It's just become something you write when you go over Banksy's work innit. Heard back, Team Robbo not responsible. Also incase anyone is interested Robbo is still in a PV state requiring 24 hour care 7 days a week. Thanks for the update.Wishing Robbo a full recovery
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 15:25:35 GMT 1, I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Exactly! Banksy has already shown that with the stall selling him canvases, people are not actually interested in the art, it's just about who it's by and what it's worth. People saw the pieces on the stall and thought it was fake rubbish, but of course if they knew it was by Banksy it would have been like a riot of people trying to buy it. This street piece done by anyone else would not even warrant a photo, but coz its a confirmed Banksy it's seen as a masterpiece? Wow. That's one double-whammy of comments right there. One saying censorship is wrong but also saying why create something that may/could offend someone. Wow. The other one seems to be forgetting who Banksy is and why any image of his creates a massive amount of interest.Do you not think Banksy has earned the right to been seen as not just anyone else? I don't mean the $$$/hype of Banksy but the art of Banksy. I guess this is what the whole show is about.Especially for Banksy. I'm more interested in Banksy's street art than his prints or possibly a new book and I like this new piece very much. Did anyone call it a masterpiece? Maybe Banksy has had that idea inside his head for years and just wanted it out. Maybe not.
I can't shake off the nagging feeling that if this was done by any other artist than Banksy it would be getting slagged off to high heaven on this forum for being in questionable taste. Still, I've always maintained that art shoudn't be censored although when it's in public it's a bit close to the bone for many who might walk past it. Why create something that although many will like, some will see it an be very offended? Exactly! Banksy has already shown that with the stall selling him canvases, people are not actually interested in the art, it's just about who it's by and what it's worth. People saw the pieces on the stall and thought it was fake rubbish, but of course if they knew it was by Banksy it would have been like a riot of people trying to buy it. This street piece done by anyone else would not even warrant a photo, but coz its a confirmed Banksy it's seen as a masterpiece? Wow. That's one double-whammy of comments right there. One saying censorship is wrong but also saying why create something that may/could offend someone. Wow. The other one seems to be forgetting who Banksy is and why any image of his creates a massive amount of interest.Do you not think Banksy has earned the right to been seen as not just anyone else? I don't mean the $$$/hype of Banksy but the art of Banksy. I guess this is what the whole show is about.Especially for Banksy. I'm more interested in Banksy's street art than his prints or possibly a new book and I like this new piece very much. Did anyone call it a masterpiece? Maybe Banksy has had that idea inside his head for years and just wanted it out. Maybe not.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 15:26:19 GMT 1, For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise? Explosion (of colors) but that's not smart
For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise? Explosion (of colors) but that's not smart
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by drachinfire on Oct 16, 2013 15:26:57 GMT 1, For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise? It's all about the context and the flower.
A old, crumbling, dry flower usually means something totally different from a bud freshly flowering. In all honesty, there's not usually any big secret to figuring out flower symbolism along those lines. Generally, people make visual associations between flowers and things and whatever thoughts and feelings the flowers are evocative of stem from there. Sometimes, you have certain flowers that have other connotations associated with them because of their use in real life. For example, seeing foxgloves or belladonna is usually more symbolic of the negative feelings associated with poisoning people to death.
A chrysanthemum is typically associated with the sun, because they're yellow and look like suns. The sun is usually viewed as a "bringer of life" or something similar. At least one culture (Japanese maybe?) views the petals as symbolizing health and long life. I suspect at some point one person in particular recognized these connections and used a chrysanthemum as symbolic of the sun or some sun-feeling and it caught on from there because it's a pretty spot on association.
In Banksy's tribute, perhaps the chrysanthemum-explosion is meant to symbolize all the positive things that grew out of the explosions that took down the Towers on 9/11: New Yorkers really coming together to support one another, all the rebuilding and new growth around the WTC and NYC, One World Trade (which is really glorious to see from a distance, FYI - if anyone has seen it on the approach to the Lincoln Tunnel and the GW Bridge from the NJ Turnpike a few hours before sunset will be able to back me up on this), who knows what else? This might make sense, given it's actually a flower "growing" out of a crack in a wall on an alley side street. Given the symbolic use of the chrysanthemum, it would probably be something in this whole "new growth and life" ballpark.
It's also entirely possible that Banksy just found the idea of a flower representing the explosion from the plane strike on the North Tower would be a nice way to say "Hey New York, here's a nice tribute to something awful that happened to you guys." Maybe he picked the chrysanthemum because it just caught his eye and wasn't as obvious and corny as a rose? Maybe he just really likes chrysanthemums.
For every gaggle of brilliantly-devised, well-researchedthought, heavily symbolic pieces of artwork out there, there are definitely more than a few done by brilliant artists who just did something that was aesthetically appealing to them in how it conveyed their intended message.
For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise? It's all about the context and the flower. A old, crumbling, dry flower usually means something totally different from a bud freshly flowering. In all honesty, there's not usually any big secret to figuring out flower symbolism along those lines. Generally, people make visual associations between flowers and things and whatever thoughts and feelings the flowers are evocative of stem from there. Sometimes, you have certain flowers that have other connotations associated with them because of their use in real life. For example, seeing foxgloves or belladonna is usually more symbolic of the negative feelings associated with poisoning people to death. A chrysanthemum is typically associated with the sun, because they're yellow and look like suns. The sun is usually viewed as a "bringer of life" or something similar. At least one culture (Japanese maybe?) views the petals as symbolizing health and long life. I suspect at some point one person in particular recognized these connections and used a chrysanthemum as symbolic of the sun or some sun-feeling and it caught on from there because it's a pretty spot on association. In Banksy's tribute, perhaps the chrysanthemum-explosion is meant to symbolize all the positive things that grew out of the explosions that took down the Towers on 9/11: New Yorkers really coming together to support one another, all the rebuilding and new growth around the WTC and NYC, One World Trade (which is really glorious to see from a distance, FYI - if anyone has seen it on the approach to the Lincoln Tunnel and the GW Bridge from the NJ Turnpike a few hours before sunset will be able to back me up on this), who knows what else? This might make sense, given it's actually a flower "growing" out of a crack in a wall on an alley side street. Given the symbolic use of the chrysanthemum, it would probably be something in this whole "new growth and life" ballpark. It's also entirely possible that Banksy just found the idea of a flower representing the explosion from the plane strike on the North Tower would be a nice way to say "Hey New York, here's a nice tribute to something awful that happened to you guys." Maybe he picked the chrysanthemum because it just caught his eye and wasn't as obvious and corny as a rose? Maybe he just really likes chrysanthemums. For every gaggle of brilliantly-devised, well- researchedthought, heavily symbolic pieces of artwork out there, there are definitely more than a few done by brilliant artists who just did something that was aesthetically appealing to them in how it conveyed their intended message.
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Rubys
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Rubys on Oct 16, 2013 15:31:12 GMT 1, He also forgot the antenna on the north tower
He also forgot the antenna on the north tower
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 16, 2013 15:50:10 GMT 1, For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise? va***a
edit: pussy
second edit: I like that the censor va***a, but not pussy.
For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise? va***a edit: pussy second edit: I like that the censor va***a, but not pussy.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by motor on Oct 16, 2013 15:50:44 GMT 1, Exactly! Banksy has already shown that with the stall selling him canvases, people are not actually interested in the art, it's just about who it's by and what it's worth. People saw the pieces on the stall and thought it was fake rubbish, but of course if they knew it was by Banksy it would have been like a riot of people trying to buy it. This street piece done by anyone else would not even warrant a photo, but coz its a confirmed Banksy it's seen as a masterpiece? Wow. That's one double-whammy of comments right there. One saying censorship is wrong but also saying why create something that may/could offend someone. Wow. The other one seems to be forgetting who Banksy is and why any image of his creates a massive amount of interest.Do you not think Banksy has earned the right to been seen as not just anyone else? I don't mean the $$$/hype of Banksy but the art of Banksy. I guess this is what the whole show is about.Especially for Banksy. I'm more interested in Banksy's street art than his prints or possibly a new book and I like this new piece very much. Did anyone call it a masterpiece? Maybe Banksy has had that idea inside his head for years and just wanted it out. Maybe not.
Well said Happymeal.
Exactly! Banksy has already shown that with the stall selling him canvases, people are not actually interested in the art, it's just about who it's by and what it's worth. People saw the pieces on the stall and thought it was fake rubbish, but of course if they knew it was by Banksy it would have been like a riot of people trying to buy it. This street piece done by anyone else would not even warrant a photo, but coz its a confirmed Banksy it's seen as a masterpiece? Wow. That's one double-whammy of comments right there. One saying censorship is wrong but also saying why create something that may/could offend someone. Wow. The other one seems to be forgetting who Banksy is and why any image of his creates a massive amount of interest.Do you not think Banksy has earned the right to been seen as not just anyone else? I don't mean the $$$/hype of Banksy but the art of Banksy. I guess this is what the whole show is about.Especially for Banksy. I'm more interested in Banksy's street art than his prints or possibly a new book and I like this new piece very much. Did anyone call it a masterpiece? Maybe Banksy has had that idea inside his head for years and just wanted it out. Maybe not. Well said Happymeal.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by T-Bro on Oct 16, 2013 15:57:12 GMT 1, seen this or is it old news?
stealbanksyny.com/
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 16, 2013 16:02:55 GMT 1, He also forgot the antenna on the north tower I'm pretty sure that's the reason he placed the pieces in cracks -- the crack rises up from atop one of the towers and looks like the antenna
He also forgot the antenna on the north tower I'm pretty sure that's the reason he placed the pieces in cracks -- the crack rises up from atop one of the towers and looks like the antenna
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 16, 2013 16:03:26 GMT 1, At least that was the impression I got from it
At least that was the impression I got from it
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 16:06:25 GMT 1, For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise? It's all about the context and the flower. A old, crumbling, dry flower usually means something totally different from a bud freshly flowering. In all honesty, there's not usually any big secret to figuring out flower symbolism along those lines. Generally, people make visual associations between flowers and things and whatever thoughts and feelings the flowers are evocative of stem from there. Sometimes, you have certain flowers that have other connotations associated with them because of their use in real life. For example, seeing foxgloves or belladonna is usually more symbolic of the negative feelings associated with poisoning people to death. A chrysanthemum is typically associated with the sun, because they're yellow and look like suns. The sun is usually viewed as a "bringer of life" or something similar. At least one culture (Japanese maybe?) views the petals as symbolizing health and long life. I suspect at some point one person in particular recognized these connections and used a chrysanthemum as symbolic of the sun or some sun-feeling and it caught on from there because it's a pretty spot on association. In Banksy's tribute, perhaps the chrysanthemum-explosion is meant to symbolize all the positive things that grew out of the explosions that took down the Towers on 9/11: New Yorkers really coming together to support one another, all the rebuilding and new growth around the WTC and NYC, One World Trade (which is really glorious to see from a distance, FYI - if anyone has seen it on the approach to the Lincoln Tunnel and the GW Bridge from the NJ Turnpike a few hours before sunset will be able to back me up on this), who knows what else? This might make sense, given it's actually a flower "growing" out of a crack in a wall on an alley side street. Given the symbolic use of the chrysanthemum, it would probably be something in this whole "new growth and life" ballpark. It's also entirely possible that Banksy just found the idea of a flower representing the explosion from the plane strike on the North Tower would be a nice way to say "Hey New York, here's a nice tribute to something awful that happened to you guys." Maybe he picked the chrysanthemum because it just caught his eye and wasn't as obvious and corny as a rose? Maybe he just really likes chrysanthemums. For every gaggle of brilliantly-devised, well- researchedthought, heavily symbolic pieces of artwork out there, there are definitely more than a few done by brilliant artists who just did something that was aesthetically appealing to them in how it conveyed their intended message. Wonderful reply drachinfire. Thank you. I was just wondering, as it's the second time flowers have been used in BOTI. The 'Hope' piece had flowers. It was cool to me as I see flowers meaning hope/purity/maybe the human spirit. A graffiti dude, where a lot of the world makes him sick yet he's throwing up hope? The twin towers attack piece with a flower/the hope of the NY/the world being singed? Most of Banksy's images are of negative aspects of life and this show is about the negative aspects of his journey as a street artist, yet there is so much positivity coming from it. Guess it's the story with all art though in that we each take out of it what we bring to it.
For all you members with art smarts. What do flowers symbolise? It's all about the context and the flower. A old, crumbling, dry flower usually means something totally different from a bud freshly flowering. In all honesty, there's not usually any big secret to figuring out flower symbolism along those lines. Generally, people make visual associations between flowers and things and whatever thoughts and feelings the flowers are evocative of stem from there. Sometimes, you have certain flowers that have other connotations associated with them because of their use in real life. For example, seeing foxgloves or belladonna is usually more symbolic of the negative feelings associated with poisoning people to death. A chrysanthemum is typically associated with the sun, because they're yellow and look like suns. The sun is usually viewed as a "bringer of life" or something similar. At least one culture (Japanese maybe?) views the petals as symbolizing health and long life. I suspect at some point one person in particular recognized these connections and used a chrysanthemum as symbolic of the sun or some sun-feeling and it caught on from there because it's a pretty spot on association. In Banksy's tribute, perhaps the chrysanthemum-explosion is meant to symbolize all the positive things that grew out of the explosions that took down the Towers on 9/11: New Yorkers really coming together to support one another, all the rebuilding and new growth around the WTC and NYC, One World Trade (which is really glorious to see from a distance, FYI - if anyone has seen it on the approach to the Lincoln Tunnel and the GW Bridge from the NJ Turnpike a few hours before sunset will be able to back me up on this), who knows what else? This might make sense, given it's actually a flower "growing" out of a crack in a wall on an alley side street. Given the symbolic use of the chrysanthemum, it would probably be something in this whole "new growth and life" ballpark. It's also entirely possible that Banksy just found the idea of a flower representing the explosion from the plane strike on the North Tower would be a nice way to say "Hey New York, here's a nice tribute to something awful that happened to you guys." Maybe he picked the chrysanthemum because it just caught his eye and wasn't as obvious and corny as a rose? Maybe he just really likes chrysanthemums. For every gaggle of brilliantly-devised, well- researchedthought, heavily symbolic pieces of artwork out there, there are definitely more than a few done by brilliant artists who just did something that was aesthetically appealing to them in how it conveyed their intended message. Wonderful reply drachinfire. Thank you. I was just wondering, as it's the second time flowers have been used in BOTI. The 'Hope' piece had flowers. It was cool to me as I see flowers meaning hope/purity/maybe the human spirit. A graffiti dude, where a lot of the world makes him sick yet he's throwing up hope? The twin towers attack piece with a flower/the hope of the NY/the world being singed? Most of Banksy's images are of negative aspects of life and this show is about the negative aspects of his journey as a street artist, yet there is so much positivity coming from it. Guess it's the story with all art though in that we each take out of it what we bring to it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Rubys on Oct 16, 2013 16:14:47 GMT 1, At least that was the impression I got from it /facepalm
i didn't even think of that. Ha
At least that was the impression I got from it /facepalm i didn't even think of that. Ha
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by drachinfire on Oct 16, 2013 16:17:30 GMT 1, It's all about the context and the flower. A old, crumbling, dry flower usually means something totally different from a bud freshly flowering. In all honesty, there's not usually any big secret to figuring out flower symbolism along those lines. Generally, people make visual associations between flowers and things and whatever thoughts and feelings the flowers are evocative of stem from there. Sometimes, you have certain flowers that have other connotations associated with them because of their use in real life. For example, seeing foxgloves or belladonna is usually more symbolic of the negative feelings associated with poisoning people to death. A chrysanthemum is typically associated with the sun, because they're yellow and look like suns. The sun is usually viewed as a "bringer of life" or something similar. At least one culture (Japanese maybe?) views the petals as symbolizing health and long life. I suspect at some point one person in particular recognized these connections and used a chrysanthemum as symbolic of the sun or some sun-feeling and it caught on from there because it's a pretty spot on association. In Banksy's tribute, perhaps the chrysanthemum-explosion is meant to symbolize all the positive things that grew out of the explosions that took down the Towers on 9/11: New Yorkers really coming together to support one another, all the rebuilding and new growth around the WTC and NYC, One World Trade (which is really glorious to see from a distance, FYI - if anyone has seen it on the approach to the Lincoln Tunnel and the GW Bridge from the NJ Turnpike a few hours before sunset will be able to back me up on this), who knows what else? This might make sense, given it's actually a flower "growing" out of a crack in a wall on an alley side street. Given the symbolic use of the chrysanthemum, it would probably be something in this whole "new growth and life" ballpark. It's also entirely possible that Banksy just found the idea of a flower representing the explosion from the plane strike on the North Tower would be a nice way to say "Hey New York, here's a nice tribute to something awful that happened to you guys." Maybe he picked the chrysanthemum because it just caught his eye and wasn't as obvious and corny as a rose? Maybe he just really likes chrysanthemums. For every gaggle of brilliantly-devised, well- researchedthought, heavily symbolic pieces of artwork out there, there are definitely more than a few done by brilliant artists who just did something that was aesthetically appealing to them in how it conveyed their intended message. Wonderful reply drachinfire. Thank you. I was just wondering, as it's the second time flowers have been used in BOTI. The 'Hope' piece had flowers. It was cool to me as I see flowers meaning hope/purity/maybe the human spirit. A graffiti dude, where a lot of the world makes him sick yet he's throwing up hope? The twin towers attack piece with a flower/the hope of the NY/the world being singed? Most of Banksy's images are of negative aspects of life and this show is about the negative aspects of his journey as a street artist, yet there is so much positivity coming from it. Guess it's the story with all art though in that we each take out of it what we bring to it. The flower was definitely oversprayed and not singed. I touched it and have checked my close up pictures - definitely spray paint.
It's all about the context and the flower. A old, crumbling, dry flower usually means something totally different from a bud freshly flowering. In all honesty, there's not usually any big secret to figuring out flower symbolism along those lines. Generally, people make visual associations between flowers and things and whatever thoughts and feelings the flowers are evocative of stem from there. Sometimes, you have certain flowers that have other connotations associated with them because of their use in real life. For example, seeing foxgloves or belladonna is usually more symbolic of the negative feelings associated with poisoning people to death. A chrysanthemum is typically associated with the sun, because they're yellow and look like suns. The sun is usually viewed as a "bringer of life" or something similar. At least one culture (Japanese maybe?) views the petals as symbolizing health and long life. I suspect at some point one person in particular recognized these connections and used a chrysanthemum as symbolic of the sun or some sun-feeling and it caught on from there because it's a pretty spot on association. In Banksy's tribute, perhaps the chrysanthemum-explosion is meant to symbolize all the positive things that grew out of the explosions that took down the Towers on 9/11: New Yorkers really coming together to support one another, all the rebuilding and new growth around the WTC and NYC, One World Trade (which is really glorious to see from a distance, FYI - if anyone has seen it on the approach to the Lincoln Tunnel and the GW Bridge from the NJ Turnpike a few hours before sunset will be able to back me up on this), who knows what else? This might make sense, given it's actually a flower "growing" out of a crack in a wall on an alley side street. Given the symbolic use of the chrysanthemum, it would probably be something in this whole "new growth and life" ballpark. It's also entirely possible that Banksy just found the idea of a flower representing the explosion from the plane strike on the North Tower would be a nice way to say "Hey New York, here's a nice tribute to something awful that happened to you guys." Maybe he picked the chrysanthemum because it just caught his eye and wasn't as obvious and corny as a rose? Maybe he just really likes chrysanthemums. For every gaggle of brilliantly-devised, well- researchedthought, heavily symbolic pieces of artwork out there, there are definitely more than a few done by brilliant artists who just did something that was aesthetically appealing to them in how it conveyed their intended message. Wonderful reply drachinfire. Thank you. I was just wondering, as it's the second time flowers have been used in BOTI. The 'Hope' piece had flowers. It was cool to me as I see flowers meaning hope/purity/maybe the human spirit. A graffiti dude, where a lot of the world makes him sick yet he's throwing up hope? The twin towers attack piece with a flower/the hope of the NY/the world being singed? Most of Banksy's images are of negative aspects of life and this show is about the negative aspects of his journey as a street artist, yet there is so much positivity coming from it. Guess it's the story with all art though in that we each take out of it what we bring to it. The flower was definitely oversprayed and not singed. I touched it and have checked my close up pictures - definitely spray paint.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by rioja on Oct 16, 2013 16:17:56 GMT 1, New one's up - McD's getting it today
New one's up - McD's getting it today
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Rubys on Oct 16, 2013 16:18:31 GMT 1, Yawn... Back to sleep
Yawn... Back to sleep
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Goooogle Male on Oct 16, 2013 16:19:03 GMT 1, Today's another cracker!!
Shoe Shine.
A fibreglass replica of Ronald McDonald having his shoes shined by a real live boy. The sculpture will visit the sidewalk outside a different McDonalds every lunchtime for the next week. Today: South Bronx.
Today's another cracker!! Shoe Shine. A fibreglass replica of Ronald McDonald having his shoes shined by a real live boy. The sculpture will visit the sidewalk outside a different McDonalds every lunchtime for the next week. Today: South Bronx.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by lifeonwalls on Oct 16, 2013 16:23:28 GMT 1, This guy found the warehouse location, and has lots of photos of the Sirens truck, including men working on it....says only one dude had an English accent and was in charge.
twitter.com/DjJonHenry/media
This guy found the warehouse location, and has lots of photos of the Sirens truck, including men working on it....says only one dude had an English accent and was in charge. twitter.com/DjJonHenry/media
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 16:24:06 GMT 1, Wonderful reply drachinfire. Thank you. I was just wondering, as it's the second time flowers have been used in BOTI. The 'Hope' piece had flowers. It was cool to me as I see flowers meaning hope/purity/maybe the human spirit. A graffiti dude, where a lot of the world makes him sick yet he's throwing up hope? The twin towers attack piece with a flower/the hope of the NY/the world being singed? Most of Banksy's images are of negative aspects of life and this show is about the negative aspects of his journey as a street artist, yet there is so much positivity coming from it. Guess it's the story with all art though in that we each take out of it what we bring to it. The flower was definitely oversprayed and not singed. I touched it and have checked my close up pictures - definitely spray paint. You don't think it was painted to look like fire damage?
Wonderful reply drachinfire. Thank you. I was just wondering, as it's the second time flowers have been used in BOTI. The 'Hope' piece had flowers. It was cool to me as I see flowers meaning hope/purity/maybe the human spirit. A graffiti dude, where a lot of the world makes him sick yet he's throwing up hope? The twin towers attack piece with a flower/the hope of the NY/the world being singed? Most of Banksy's images are of negative aspects of life and this show is about the negative aspects of his journey as a street artist, yet there is so much positivity coming from it. Guess it's the story with all art though in that we each take out of it what we bring to it. The flower was definitely oversprayed and not singed. I touched it and have checked my close up pictures - definitely spray paint. You don't think it was painted to look like fire damage?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kimpsons on Oct 16, 2013 16:24:32 GMT 1,
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by lifeonwalls on Oct 16, 2013 16:24:40 GMT 1, Gonna be a long day for that shoe shiner.
Gonna be a long day for that shoe shiner.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by dotdot on Oct 16, 2013 16:26:10 GMT 1,
would you like FRIES with that SUNNY ?
..it's harsh .. but in these times (ok for quite a long time tbh) .. McDs do have a lot to answer for.
would you like FRIES with that SUNNY ? ..it's harsh .. but in these times (ok for quite a long time tbh) .. McDs do have a lot to answer for.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by drachinfire on Oct 16, 2013 16:27:34 GMT 1, The flower was definitely oversprayed and not singed. I touched it and have checked my close up pictures - definitely spray paint. You don't think it was painted to look like fire damage? I think it was likely painted that way to make it look more like a fire, not as if the flower had been fire damaged. There was some spray splatter at the inner edges of where it was painted. The spray added some nice depth to the fire in hard light that would otherwise have been washed out, so I'm guessing that was the point. If he had been going for a singed look, I'd imagine it would be easier to singe it.
The flower was definitely oversprayed and not singed. I touched it and have checked my close up pictures - definitely spray paint. You don't think it was painted to look like fire damage? I think it was likely painted that way to make it look more like a fire, not as if the flower had been fire damaged. There was some spray splatter at the inner edges of where it was painted. The spray added some nice depth to the fire in hard light that would otherwise have been washed out, so I'm guessing that was the point. If he had been going for a singed look, I'd imagine it would be easier to singe it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 16:27:47 GMT 1, BUFF THIS ONE!.
BUFF THIS ONE!.
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