floubi
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by floubi on Oct 18, 2013 12:46:41 GMT 1, Will be interesting to see who is going to the Boogie Down Bronx tonight!!! ?!!!
Cope2 deleted his post....
Will be interesting to see who is going to the Boogie Down Bronx tonight!!! ?!!! Cope2 deleted his post....
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 12:51:52 GMT 1, All a misunderstanding.
All a misunderstanding.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by raindogs on Oct 18, 2013 12:53:06 GMT 1, well, the trademark Banksy exists, and the applicant is Pest Control see USPTO This doesn't change my opinion about BOTI, and the irrilevance (for me) of the supposed marketing stunt.
well, the trademark Banksy exists, and the applicant is Pest Control see USPTO This doesn't change my opinion about BOTI, and the irrilevance (for me) of the supposed marketing stunt.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by raindogs on Oct 18, 2013 13:03:49 GMT 1, The One-Man Banksy Restoration Society...
The One-Man Banksy Restoration Society...
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 13:05:45 GMT 1, Did Banksy coin the phrase Brandalism? This 'show' is possibly more an experiment on brand Banksy than it is a social experiment but for me personally the Banksy brand and philosophies behind it lead me to think that both experiments are equally important/interesting to Banksy himself and of course so interesting to most of us on this forum. people keep talking about brand Banksy but it is miss placed as there is no brand Banksy in reallity. He is a person not a brand. He has no logout reality no brand mission etc. he just does graffiti and art. puts in general his pieces up in the street with no recognition or use of a brand etc. he confirms by putting a picture on his website...that's it all to put his prices up ....but is it...based on what? People pay more for his work now but that seems slightly more to do with supply,demand and activity rather than brand management. pso I would expect that he is pretty pissed that whatever he does it gets turned into brand and product management and placement. think you like fitting him into your little boxes as its easy and I am not sure he fits that easily into those little boxes that are conveniently placed.......but I suppose that's what makes him an artist rather than a brand I for one put Banksy in a massive open box and I like that you do too. I think/hope a big part of this show is because Banksy is genuinely asking himself and others : What am I now? What have I become and why? Do I like what I've become? Am I now more of a brand than an artist or person?
Did Banksy coin the phrase Brandalism? This 'show' is possibly more an experiment on brand Banksy than it is a social experiment but for me personally the Banksy brand and philosophies behind it lead me to think that both experiments are equally important/interesting to Banksy himself and of course so interesting to most of us on this forum. people keep talking about brand Banksy but it is miss placed as there is no brand Banksy in reallity. He is a person not a brand. He has no logout reality no brand mission etc. he just does graffiti and art. puts in general his pieces up in the street with no recognition or use of a brand etc. he confirms by putting a picture on his website...that's it all to put his prices up ....but is it...based on what? People pay more for his work now but that seems slightly more to do with supply,demand and activity rather than brand management. pso I would expect that he is pretty pissed that whatever he does it gets turned into brand and product management and placement. think you like fitting him into your little boxes as its easy and I am not sure he fits that easily into those little boxes that are conveniently placed.......but I suppose that's what makes him an artist rather than a brand I for one put Banksy in a massive open box and I like that you do too. I think/hope a big part of this show is because Banksy is genuinely asking himself and others : What am I now? What have I become and why? Do I like what I've become? Am I now more of a brand than an artist or person?
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mikehaspey
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by mikehaspey on Oct 18, 2013 13:52:56 GMT 1, The One-Man Banksy Restoration Society...
What a guy!
The One-Man Banksy Restoration Society... What a guy!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 18, 2013 13:53:35 GMT 1, Actually my point is that maybe you should not put him in a Box at all.
Pretty sure he knows exactly who he is. Brand Brand brand etcetc etc
Why..... His paintings etc do not sell for much ...in the big old art world.........he is not making a fortune hear selling stuff while this is on. He could have put 20 canvasses in a gallery and all would have sold at a decent price
Look at the work no great message etc.........
I think he is doing all right yes he sells stuff etc, yes this show might add some to his price etc......but I reckon he is just having a whale of a time and enjoying the fact that he can financially afford to do it.
Hey ho he is lucky enough not to worry to much so why should he.........might not be such a big plan after all he will probably just keep working cos he likes to......
Actually my point is that maybe you should not put him in a Box at all.
Pretty sure he knows exactly who he is. Brand Brand brand etcetc etc
Why..... His paintings etc do not sell for much ...in the big old art world.........he is not making a fortune hear selling stuff while this is on. He could have put 20 canvasses in a gallery and all would have sold at a decent price
Look at the work no great message etc.........
I think he is doing all right yes he sells stuff etc, yes this show might add some to his price etc......but I reckon he is just having a whale of a time and enjoying the fact that he can financially afford to do it.
Hey ho he is lucky enough not to worry to much so why should he.........might not be such a big plan after all he will probably just keep working cos he likes to......
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Carrie on Oct 18, 2013 14:08:40 GMT 1, To be clear are you suggesting banksy or his people organise for this twerp to come along, buff it, in front of the building owner / actor and for that owner / actor to then push him to the ground all for the cameras??? Nope. I'm talking about the whole BOTI thing being a marketing exercise rather than a 'social experiment' Hope that makes it clear. Isn't everything an artist does/creates some kind of marketing for him/her?
To be clear are you suggesting banksy or his people organise for this twerp to come along, buff it, in front of the building owner / actor and for that owner / actor to then push him to the ground all for the cameras??? Nope. I'm talking about the whole BOTI thing being a marketing exercise rather than a 'social experiment' Hope that makes it clear. Isn't everything an artist does/creates some kind of marketing for him/her?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Carrie on Oct 18, 2013 14:14:05 GMT 1, Would have to disagree with you dude. I think banksy is more than an artist. Think of the promo before the film, the pr mgmt, the subtle marketing. The diff with this is the ultimate aim, which few people would actually know... I agree with you Naughtyshorty - don't get me wrong, I'm as big a Banksy fan as most members on here, but I'm telling you know, Banksy never would've been this BIG on artistic talent alone, he NEEDED the PR and "subtle marketing" to get this far, FACT.
Would have to disagree with you dude. I think banksy is more than an artist. Think of the promo before the film, the pr mgmt, the subtle marketing. The diff with this is the ultimate aim, which few people would actually know... I agree with you Naughtyshorty - don't get me wrong, I'm as big a Banksy fan as most members on here, but I'm telling you know, Banksy never would've been this BIG on artistic talent alone, he NEEDED the PR and "subtle marketing" to get this far, FACT.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 14:17:45 GMT 1, He is an enigma.
* I am aware the word 'enigma' looks like it is an anagram, in this case ^ it is not.
He is an enigma.
* I am aware the word 'enigma' looks like it is an anagram, in this case ^ it is not.
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nrgball
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 18, 2013 14:26:49 GMT 1, Let's be clear about one thing: this isn't a social experiment. It's a marketing stunt. The fact that folk are talking of it as a social experiment means that it's a very clever marketing stunt. I love Banksy and much of this work but let's wake up and smell the coffee! whats he marketing ? he has nothing for sale (personally) ? nothing to gain financially and has stated there will be no book, movie etc
He is certainly marketing the Banksy brand. It can't be helped. And don't kid yourself, there is always something for sale. Even if its simply the increased value of works already in the market, it will help his future sales.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the spirit of this residency. I truly think this is more about legacy in the art world and making a mark on society. I guess the financial growth is a symptom of marketing the brand.
Let's be clear about one thing: this isn't a social experiment. It's a marketing stunt. The fact that folk are talking of it as a social experiment means that it's a very clever marketing stunt. I love Banksy and much of this work but let's wake up and smell the coffee! whats he marketing ? he has nothing for sale (personally) ? nothing to gain financially and has stated there will be no book, movie etc He is certainly marketing the Banksy brand. It can't be helped. And don't kid yourself, there is always something for sale. Even if its simply the increased value of works already in the market, it will help his future sales. Don't get me wrong, I do love the spirit of this residency. I truly think this is more about legacy in the art world and making a mark on society. I guess the financial growth is a symptom of marketing the brand.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 14:39:41 GMT 1, Actually my point is that maybe you should not put him in a Box at all. Pretty sure he knows exactly who he is. Brand Brand brand etcetc etc Why..... His paintings etc do not sell for much ...in the big old art world.........he is not making a fortune hear selling stuff while this is on. He could have put 20 canvasses in a gallery and all would have sold at a decent price Look at the work no great message etc......... I think he is doing all right yes he sells stuff etc, yes this show might add some to his price etc......but I reckon he is just having a whale of a time and enjoying the fact that he can financially afford to do it. Hey ho he is lucky enough not to worry to much so why should he.........might not be such a big plan after all he will probably just keep working cos he likes to...... Aren't boxes really just opinions? Didn't you call him a genius? That isn't a box though? There's more to life than money and I know Banksy understands that. What did you mean...'Look at the work no great message etc.........'?
Actually my point is that maybe you should not put him in a Box at all. Pretty sure he knows exactly who he is. Brand Brand brand etcetc etc Why..... His paintings etc do not sell for much ...in the big old art world.........he is not making a fortune hear selling stuff while this is on. He could have put 20 canvasses in a gallery and all would have sold at a decent price Look at the work no great message etc......... I think he is doing all right yes he sells stuff etc, yes this show might add some to his price etc......but I reckon he is just having a whale of a time and enjoying the fact that he can financially afford to do it. Hey ho he is lucky enough not to worry to much so why should he.........might not be such a big plan after all he will probably just keep working cos he likes to...... Aren't boxes really just opinions? Didn't you call him a genius? That isn't a box though? There's more to life than money and I know Banksy understands that. What did you mean...'Look at the work no great message etc.........'?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by chinorlz on Oct 18, 2013 14:51:40 GMT 1, The One-Man Banksy Restoration Society... What a guy! Huge props to this guy for taking the time to source out the right flower type, paint the edges just like it to restore the original. The guy who stole the original flower wanted $35k for it like a huge doucher. This move renders it worthless.
The One-Man Banksy Restoration Society... What a guy! Huge props to this guy for taking the time to source out the right flower type, paint the edges just like it to restore the original. The guy who stole the original flower wanted $35k for it like a huge doucher. This move renders it worthless.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 18, 2013 14:54:05 GMT 1, Huge props to this guy for taking the time to source out the right flower type, paint the edges just like it to restore the original. The guy who stole the original flower wanted $35k for it like a huge doucher. This move renders it worthless. yeah i was impressed at how similar his replacement(s) looked - he did a swell job that chap. $35K that's funny
Huge props to this guy for taking the time to source out the right flower type, paint the edges just like it to restore the original. The guy who stole the original flower wanted $35k for it like a huge doucher. This move renders it worthless. yeah i was impressed at how similar his replacement(s) looked - he did a swell job that chap. $35K that's funny
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 18, 2013 14:55:00 GMT 1, New York gets 31 exclusive Banksy pieces and here in Los Angeles we only have 3 remaining Banksy pieces come back to LA Banksy!! Aww...
...But you have MBW! Cheer up
New York gets 31 exclusive Banksy pieces and here in Los Angeles we only have 3 remaining Banksy pieces come back to LA Banksy!! Aww... ...But you have MBW! Cheer up
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 18, 2013 14:57:28 GMT 1, Let's be clear about one thing: this isn't a social experiment. It's a marketing stunt. The fact that folk are talking of it as a social experiment means that it's a very clever marketing stunt. I love Banksy and much of this work but let's wake up and smell the coffee! The problem with your statement is that it is a declaration of your opinion without any evidence of critical thinking...crucial to most aspects of life and particularly art.
It comes across as a statement of fact, that you are "in the "know", and it's wrapped up with a cliched admonishment.
As educated board members would know, it doesn't allow for discussion. No points are made.
A bit Omar, don't you think?
Let's be clear about one thing: this isn't a social experiment. It's a marketing stunt. The fact that folk are talking of it as a social experiment means that it's a very clever marketing stunt. I love Banksy and much of this work but let's wake up and smell the coffee! The problem with your statement is that it is a declaration of your opinion without any evidence of critical thinking...crucial to most aspects of life and particularly art. It comes across as a statement of fact, that you are "in the "know", and it's wrapped up with a cliched admonishment. As educated board members would know, it doesn't allow for discussion. No points are made. A bit Omar, don't you think?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hubble Bubble on Oct 18, 2013 14:59:50 GMT 1, Nope. I'm talking about the whole BOTI thing being a marketing exercise rather than a 'social experiment' Hope that makes it clear. Isn't everything an artist does/creates some kind of marketing for him/her? Not necessarily. I'm Banksy (I'm not really). I feel the need to draw on a wall. Under cover of darkness, I draw on a wall. Nobody sees me. I don't tell anyone. I don't put it on my website. Nobody knows it's a Banksy... ever. I have satisfied my artistic urge to draw on walls without marketing myself and my creation.
Nope. I'm talking about the whole BOTI thing being a marketing exercise rather than a 'social experiment' Hope that makes it clear. Isn't everything an artist does/creates some kind of marketing for him/her? Not necessarily. I'm Banksy (I'm not really). I feel the need to draw on a wall. Under cover of darkness, I draw on a wall. Nobody sees me. I don't tell anyone. I don't put it on my website. Nobody knows it's a Banksy... ever. I have satisfied my artistic urge to draw on walls without marketing myself and my creation.
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Hubble Bubble
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hubble Bubble on Oct 18, 2013 15:29:05 GMT 1, Let's be clear about one thing: this isn't a social experiment. It's a marketing stunt. The fact that folk are talking of it as a social experiment means that it's a very clever marketing stunt. I love Banksy and much of this work but let's wake up and smell the coffee! The problem with your statement is that it is a declaration of your opinion without any evidence of critical thinking...crucial to most aspects of life and particularly art. It comes across as a statement of fact, that you are "in the "know", and it's wrapped up with a cliched admonishment. As educated board members would know, it doesn't allow for discussion. No points are made. A bit Omar, don't you think? Hairbland
Lovely to hear back from you and engage in discussion (see later point).
Taking point one. Yes, I declare my opinion. That's what we do on forums. There is no precedent, as far as I'm aware, that one needs to validate said opinion with a detailed rationale. If that is the case then plenty of other forum members are guilty of this offence. I'm not sure why critical thinking is crucial to 'particularly art' rather than any other form of life but I'm sure you have your reasons. You don't give them though, in fact your first point is simply a declaration of your opinion without any evidence of critical thinking (see what I did there )
As for point two; I'm most certainly not 'in the know'. I didn't mean to give that impression. And yes, I may be guilty of issuing a 'admonishment'. For this, I hope you can forgive me. I'm simply surprised at how many folk seem to be under the impression that one of the cleverest and more talented street artists of his generation has suddenly become a social engineer, producing work purely to assess the true state of the human condition. As for cliche, I work on the principal that if a saying is good enough for Ferris Bueller's Dean Rooney, it's good enough for me.
Point three. Discussion. Isn't that what we're having now?
You sound like an educated person yourself, hairbland. But I feel we are on dangerous ground if we start trying to infer that those without the benefits of your excellent schooling are less equipped to come to their own conclusions about a forum post.
As for Omar, I'm not altogether sure who he is but suspect he's some kind of tagger that Banksy is purported to have riduculed. Hence I'm assuming this is supposed to be an insult. In the spirit of peace, harmony and togetherness that has always been a key part of my life on this forum, we'll let this ride.
HB
Let's be clear about one thing: this isn't a social experiment. It's a marketing stunt. The fact that folk are talking of it as a social experiment means that it's a very clever marketing stunt. I love Banksy and much of this work but let's wake up and smell the coffee! The problem with your statement is that it is a declaration of your opinion without any evidence of critical thinking...crucial to most aspects of life and particularly art. It comes across as a statement of fact, that you are "in the "know", and it's wrapped up with a cliched admonishment. As educated board members would know, it doesn't allow for discussion. No points are made. A bit Omar, don't you think? Hairbland Lovely to hear back from you and engage in discussion (see later point). Taking point one. Yes, I declare my opinion. That's what we do on forums. There is no precedent, as far as I'm aware, that one needs to validate said opinion with a detailed rationale. If that is the case then plenty of other forum members are guilty of this offence. I'm not sure why critical thinking is crucial to 'particularly art' rather than any other form of life but I'm sure you have your reasons. You don't give them though, in fact your first point is simply a declaration of your opinion without any evidence of critical thinking (see what I did there ) As for point two; I'm most certainly not 'in the know'. I didn't mean to give that impression. And yes, I may be guilty of issuing a 'admonishment'. For this, I hope you can forgive me. I'm simply surprised at how many folk seem to be under the impression that one of the cleverest and more talented street artists of his generation has suddenly become a social engineer, producing work purely to assess the true state of the human condition. As for cliche, I work on the principal that if a saying is good enough for Ferris Bueller's Dean Rooney, it's good enough for me. Point three. Discussion. Isn't that what we're having now? You sound like an educated person yourself, hairbland. But I feel we are on dangerous ground if we start trying to infer that those without the benefits of your excellent schooling are less equipped to come to their own conclusions about a forum post. As for Omar, I'm not altogether sure who he is but suspect he's some kind of tagger that Banksy is purported to have riduculed. Hence I'm assuming this is supposed to be an insult. In the spirit of peace, harmony and togetherness that has always been a key part of my life on this forum, we'll let this ride. HB
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Quinnster on Oct 18, 2013 15:41:04 GMT 1, Huge props to this guy for taking the time to source out the right flower type, paint the edges just like it to restore the original. The guy who stole the original flower wanted $35k for it like a huge doucher. This move renders it worthless. yeah i was impressed at how similar his replacement(s) looked - he did a swell job that chap. $35K that's funny
jlady will be selling it with her spike rock :-)
Huge props to this guy for taking the time to source out the right flower type, paint the edges just like it to restore the original. The guy who stole the original flower wanted $35k for it like a huge doucher. This move renders it worthless. yeah i was impressed at how similar his replacement(s) looked - he did a swell job that chap. $35K that's funny jlady will be selling it with her spike rock :-)
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 18, 2013 15:42:28 GMT 1,
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 18, 2013 15:43:16 GMT 1, They say "Jafar" in Arabic beneath WANTED... and bottom corner is 'signed' Banksy in Arabic lol
They say "Jafar" in Arabic beneath WANTED... and bottom corner is 'signed' Banksy in Arabic lol
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by maseo7 on Oct 18, 2013 15:51:52 GMT 1, since the NYPD and the mayor are after him so hard he should do a coke sniffing or kissing coppers to really piss them off.....or Bloomberg smoking a cig or drinking a 64 oz soda
since the NYPD and the mayor are after him so hard he should do a coke sniffing or kissing coppers to really piss them off.....or Bloomberg smoking a cig or drinking a 64 oz soda
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Invaded 420 on Oct 18, 2013 15:52:24 GMT 1, that's deffinately not from the stall an clearly a fake. It's incredible wot people would pay for these rip offs!
that's deffinately not from the stall an clearly a fake. It's incredible wot people would pay for these rip offs!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 15:52:48 GMT 1, Thanks for posting that. Wonder if Bankrobber phoned him?.
Thanks for posting that. Wonder if Bankrobber phoned him?.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by tartarus on Oct 18, 2013 15:52:53 GMT 1, I favour something small on a police station.
I favour something small on a police station.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by stillborncrisps on Oct 18, 2013 15:55:02 GMT 1, The One-Man Banksy Restoration Society... What a guy!
Has Weird Al Yankovic got nothing better to do?
The One-Man Banksy Restoration Society... What a guy! Has Weird Al Yankovic got nothing better to do?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Prescription Art on Oct 18, 2013 15:56:10 GMT 1, If asking on instagram cant get you a Collabo piece, make one yourself create hype anyways and act surprised. Whether its real or not the Hype is Real already and thats what I think was the whole point. Maybe its MBW as that seems more on par with past collabs.
Cope is coming across as desperate. That pig is pish.
If asking on instagram cant get you a Collabo piece, make one yourself create hype anyways and act surprised. Whether its real or not the Hype is Real already and thats what I think was the whole point. Maybe its MBW as that seems more on par with past collabs. Cope is coming across as desperate. That pig is pish.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 15:56:13 GMT 1, that's deffinately not from the stall an clearly a fake. It's incredible wot people would pay for these rip offs! ...the worlds gone mad i tells ya.
that's deffinately not from the stall an clearly a fake. It's incredible wot people would pay for these rip offs! ...the worlds gone mad i tells ya.
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