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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 18, 2013 23:41:09 GMT 1, Thats not the cost of Art, thats the cost of Material. What the value of a painting is different the value of what its made with. It is if you're making the art No fckn way anyone's being paid in art. he may hook some people up with stuff just a cool gesture, but bros, money talks and bulls**t (yes, even banksys) walks.
Can you see the driver of a forklift agreeing to accept a 20x20 canvas, with only black paint, looking absolutely zero like a van gogh or mona lisa -- nor any other instantly recognizable image -- in order to spent a bunch of hours moving a stenciled, doorless car and box truck!?
Uh no. I'd say those guys prefer C A S H. Benjamins. Moola. Not silly rats or balloons. :-)
Of course, completely open to being utterly wrong - just what I'd opine that's all.
Thats not the cost of Art, thats the cost of Material. What the value of a painting is different the value of what its made with. It is if you're making the art No fckn way anyone's being paid in art. he may hook some people up with stuff just a cool gesture, but bros, money talks and bulls**t (yes, even banksys) walks. Can you see the driver of a forklift agreeing to accept a 20x20 canvas, with only black paint, looking absolutely zero like a van gogh or mona lisa -- nor any other instantly recognizable image -- in order to spent a bunch of hours moving a stenciled, doorless car and box truck!? Uh no. I'd say those guys prefer C A S H. Benjamins. Moola. Not silly rats or balloons. :-) Of course, completely open to being utterly wrong - just what I'd opine that's all.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 18, 2013 23:42:54 GMT 1, Looks like it's inside someones garage... Sad. Trying his best to get some of the Banksy vapors. Sad indeed.
Yeah, he's sad. Got stuck sitting by the phone waiting for that call that never came
Looks like it's inside someones garage... Sad. Trying his best to get some of the Banksy vapors. Sad indeed. Yeah, he's sad. Got stuck sitting by the phone waiting for that call that never came
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 23:45:16 GMT 1, Shame, i feel a bit sorry for him,it was silly of him to post that Banksy had done the collab.
Who did it then?, all his own work or was it a collab?.
Shame, i feel a bit sorry for him,it was silly of him to post that Banksy had done the collab.
Who did it then?, all his own work or was it a collab?.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 18, 2013 23:47:41 GMT 1, Looks like it's inside someones garage... Sad. Trying his best to get some of the Banksy vapors. Sad indeed. It's not even funny though? Is it funny to fool your fans?
Looks like it's inside someones garage... Sad. Trying his best to get some of the Banksy vapors. Sad indeed. It's not even funny though? Is it funny to fool your fans?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 23:47:42 GMT 1, wonder what happened to the band that banksy paid with a canvas too change there name from exit through the gift shop, when that show was on? No idea but my mate Frederick Better Out Than In BanksyNY Smith is coining it in at the moment.
wonder what happened to the band that banksy paid with a canvas too change there name from exit through the gift shop, when that show was on? No idea but my mate Frederick Better Out Than In BanksyNY Smith is coining it in at the moment.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 18, 2013 23:51:21 GMT 1, Trying his best to get some of the Banksy vapors. Sad indeed. It's not even funny though? Is it funny to fool your fans? It's pretty dumb... definitely was less concerned about his (dwindling) fans, and more getting the better of the many more Bansky fans. Ya know, some people just like being straight-up d!ckheads.
Embarrassing.
Trying his best to get some of the Banksy vapors. Sad indeed. It's not even funny though? Is it funny to fool your fans? It's pretty dumb... definitely was less concerned about his (dwindling) fans, and more getting the better of the many more Bansky fans. Ya know, some people just like being straight-up d!ckheads. Embarrassing.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Damien on Oct 18, 2013 23:51:24 GMT 1, wonder what happened to the band that banksy paid with a canvas too change there name from exit through the gift shop, when that show was on? No idea but my mate Frederick Better Out Than In BanksyNY Smith is coining it in at the moment. , he gave them that canvas of death riding a bumper car as the pay off
wonder what happened to the band that banksy paid with a canvas too change there name from exit through the gift shop, when that show was on? No idea but my mate Frederick Better Out Than In BanksyNY Smith is coining it in at the moment. , he gave them that canvas of death riding a bumper car as the pay off
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Damien on Oct 18, 2013 23:54:28 GMT 1, It is if you're making the art No fckn way anyone's being paid in art. he may hook some people up with stuff just a cool gesture, but bros, money talks and bulls**t (yes, even banksys) walks. Can you see the driver of a forklift agreeing to accept a 20x20 canvas, with only black paint, looking absolutely zero like a van gogh or mona lisa -- nor any other instantly recognizable image -- in order to spent a bunch of hours moving a stenciled, doorless car and box truck!? Uh no. I'd say those guys prefer C A S H. Benjamins. Moola. Not silly rats or balloons. :-) Of course, completely open to being utterly wrong - just what I'd opine that's all. well i think the workers would be very happy to get the canvas, it wouldnt be a very good deal for banksy though. He could sell them for much much more
It is if you're making the art No fckn way anyone's being paid in art. he may hook some people up with stuff just a cool gesture, but bros, money talks and bulls**t (yes, even banksys) walks. Can you see the driver of a forklift agreeing to accept a 20x20 canvas, with only black paint, looking absolutely zero like a van gogh or mona lisa -- nor any other instantly recognizable image -- in order to spent a bunch of hours moving a stenciled, doorless car and box truck!? Uh no. I'd say those guys prefer C A S H. Benjamins. Moola. Not silly rats or balloons. :-) Of course, completely open to being utterly wrong - just what I'd opine that's all. well i think the workers would be very happy to get the canvas, it wouldnt be a very good deal for banksy though. He could sell them for much much more
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 18, 2013 23:54:29 GMT 1, This is equal parts cynical and illogical. He could instantly sell out anything he puts out if he wanted to. So there's no need to "market his brand." If he were motivated by money, he would be selling art. As it stands, when was the last time he released anything for sale. Also, think about how much this show is costing him. He has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars out of his own pocket doing this. Unless the grand finale is a dozen originals at $1 million+ each, you're way off base. I'm not saying Banksy wouldn't sell out. I'm saying that popularity and media manipulation are part of his game. They always have been. He's a master at focusing attention on his work. In this case, he is exploiting social media and the actual media to its fullest right now. Over 200,000 Instagram followers in 18 days. My parents and acquaintances are texting me and have probably never uttered his name in all the years he's been an artist. He may be a household name in the UK but he's becoming one in the US and beyond right now. This show will be spoken about for years and how it changes the art game is yet to be seen. The Banksy brand has exploded due to this art show on more levels than I can articulate right now. Let me be clear, I don't think Banksy is motivated by money. As I've previously stated, I think he is motivated by legacy and a genuine need to expose the world for what it is. This is done with wit, humor and clear aggression through his art. He is wicked intelligent and a master at media manipulation. Through these vehicles and with these tools Banksy grows his brand. As a result of this brand growth, his work increases in value. Give it 2 years and come back to me with the results in the auction houses. And Banksy makes a living off this too mate, though I agree with you. It's not his motivation. Branding and marketing imply he's motivated by financial gain. In Banksy's case, I think motivated simply by having his voice heard.
This is equal parts cynical and illogical. He could instantly sell out anything he puts out if he wanted to. So there's no need to "market his brand." If he were motivated by money, he would be selling art. As it stands, when was the last time he released anything for sale. Also, think about how much this show is costing him. He has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars out of his own pocket doing this. Unless the grand finale is a dozen originals at $1 million+ each, you're way off base. I'm not saying Banksy wouldn't sell out. I'm saying that popularity and media manipulation are part of his game. They always have been. He's a master at focusing attention on his work. In this case, he is exploiting social media and the actual media to its fullest right now. Over 200,000 Instagram followers in 18 days. My parents and acquaintances are texting me and have probably never uttered his name in all the years he's been an artist. He may be a household name in the UK but he's becoming one in the US and beyond right now. This show will be spoken about for years and how it changes the art game is yet to be seen. The Banksy brand has exploded due to this art show on more levels than I can articulate right now. Let me be clear, I don't think Banksy is motivated by money. As I've previously stated, I think he is motivated by legacy and a genuine need to expose the world for what it is. This is done with wit, humor and clear aggression through his art. He is wicked intelligent and a master at media manipulation. Through these vehicles and with these tools Banksy grows his brand. As a result of this brand growth, his work increases in value. Give it 2 years and come back to me with the results in the auction houses. And Banksy makes a living off this too mate, though I agree with you. It's not his motivation. Branding and marketing imply he's motivated by financial gain. In Banksy's case, I think motivated simply by having his voice heard.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by dreadnatty on Oct 18, 2013 23:55:00 GMT 1, Trying his best to get some of the Banksy vapors. Sad indeed. It's not even funny though? Is it funny to fool your fans? Agree Plip....dont think he even cares and was just looking for the press which he got.
Trying his best to get some of the Banksy vapors. Sad indeed. It's not even funny though? Is it funny to fool your fans? Agree Plip....dont think he even cares and was just looking for the press which he got.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 18, 2013 23:55:22 GMT 1, Likewise
Likewise
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 18, 2013 23:55:42 GMT 1, I can't read posts on Banksy's work if they are more than one paragraph in length.
I can't read posts on Banksy's work if they are more than one paragraph in length.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 19, 2013 0:00:50 GMT 1, No fckn way anyone's being paid in art. he may hook some people up with stuff just a cool gesture, but bros, money talks and bulls**t (yes, even banksys) walks. Can you see the driver of a forklift agreeing to accept a 20x20 canvas, with only black paint, looking absolutely zero like a van gogh or mona lisa -- nor any other instantly recognizable image -- in order to spent a bunch of hours moving a stenciled, doorless car and box truck!? Uh no. I'd say those guys prefer C A S H. Benjamins. Moola. Not silly rats or balloons. :-) Of course, completely open to being utterly wrong - just what I'd opine that's all. well i think the workers would be very happy to get the canvas, it wouldnt be a very good deal for banksy though. He could sell them for much much more What I'm saying though is that this forklift guy can't pay his bills, can't buy gas, can pay insurance, with one of banksy's canvases.
Obviously you and I know what a better decision that would be for him, but to most people I'm sure it's an easy one against it. I don't see banksy stooping to the guy and reassuring him "I know it may seem unorthodox, but trust me, if you talk to the right gallery, you should be lookin' at about $30K for this puppy".
I shouldn't use the word 'sure' but still, you get my drift, and know I really don't know a damned thing for sure.
No fckn way anyone's being paid in art. he may hook some people up with stuff just a cool gesture, but bros, money talks and bulls**t (yes, even banksys) walks. Can you see the driver of a forklift agreeing to accept a 20x20 canvas, with only black paint, looking absolutely zero like a van gogh or mona lisa -- nor any other instantly recognizable image -- in order to spent a bunch of hours moving a stenciled, doorless car and box truck!? Uh no. I'd say those guys prefer C A S H. Benjamins. Moola. Not silly rats or balloons. :-) Of course, completely open to being utterly wrong - just what I'd opine that's all. well i think the workers would be very happy to get the canvas, it wouldnt be a very good deal for banksy though. He could sell them for much much more What I'm saying though is that this forklift guy can't pay his bills, can't buy gas, can pay insurance, with one of banksy's canvases. Obviously you and I know what a better decision that would be for him, but to most people I'm sure it's an easy one against it. I don't see banksy stooping to the guy and reassuring him "I know it may seem unorthodox, but trust me, if you talk to the right gallery, you should be lookin' at about $30K for this puppy". I shouldn't use the word 'sure' but still, you get my drift, and know I really don't know a damned thing for sure.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 0:02:33 GMT 1, It's not even funny though? Is it funny to fool your fans? It's pretty dumb... definitely was less concerned about his (dwindling) fans, and more getting the better of the many more Bansky fans. Ya know, some people just like being straight-up d!ckheads. Embarrassing. Do you think he was hoping the press would take the NYPD Pig piece up and in turn rubbish Banksy?, reckon hes a bit envious of all the attention Banksy is getting over there?.
It's not even funny though? Is it funny to fool your fans? It's pretty dumb... definitely was less concerned about his (dwindling) fans, and more getting the better of the many more Bansky fans. Ya know, some people just like being straight-up d!ckheads. Embarrassing. Do you think he was hoping the press would take the NYPD Pig piece up and in turn rubbish Banksy?, reckon hes a bit envious of all the attention Banksy is getting over there?.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 19, 2013 0:03:50 GMT 1, It's pretty dumb... definitely was less concerned about his (dwindling) fans, and more getting the better of the many more Bansky fans. Ya know, some people just like being straight-up d!ckheads. Embarrassing. Do you think he was hoping the press would take the NYPD Pig piece up and in turn rubbish Banksy?, reckon hes a bit envious of all the attention Banksy is getting over there?. Good point.
It's pretty dumb... definitely was less concerned about his (dwindling) fans, and more getting the better of the many more Bansky fans. Ya know, some people just like being straight-up d!ckheads. Embarrassing. Do you think he was hoping the press would take the NYPD Pig piece up and in turn rubbish Banksy?, reckon hes a bit envious of all the attention Banksy is getting over there?. Good point.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 19, 2013 0:04:15 GMT 1, It's pretty dumb... definitely was less concerned about his (dwindling) fans, and more getting the better of the many more Bansky fans. Ya know, some people just like being straight-up d!ckheads. Embarrassing. Do you think he was hoping the press would take the NYPD Pig piece up and in turn rubbish Banksy?, reckon hes a bit envious of all the attention Banksy is getting over there?. Sounds like he was just being a fool. Like he was having a blast watching everyone pick up on this massive earth-shattering story of their collabo.
It's pretty dumb... definitely was less concerned about his (dwindling) fans, and more getting the better of the many more Bansky fans. Ya know, some people just like being straight-up d!ckheads. Embarrassing. Do you think he was hoping the press would take the NYPD Pig piece up and in turn rubbish Banksy?, reckon hes a bit envious of all the attention Banksy is getting over there?. Sounds like he was just being a fool. Like he was having a blast watching everyone pick up on this massive earth-shattering story of their collabo.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Damien on Oct 19, 2013 0:06:08 GMT 1, well i think the workers would be very happy to get the canvas, it wouldnt be a very good deal for banksy though. He could sell them for much much more What I'm saying though is that this forklift guy can't pay his bills, can't buy gas, can pay insurance, with one of banksy's canvases. Obviously you and I know what a better decision that would be for him, but to most people I'm sure it's an easy one against it. I don't see banksy stooping to the guy and reassuring him "I know it may seem unorthodox, but trust me, if you talk to the right gallery, you should be lookin' at about $30K for this puppy". I shouldn't use the word 'sure' but still, you get my drift, and know I really don't know a damned thing for sure. very true, cash for bills, art for thrills
well i think the workers would be very happy to get the canvas, it wouldnt be a very good deal for banksy though. He could sell them for much much more What I'm saying though is that this forklift guy can't pay his bills, can't buy gas, can pay insurance, with one of banksy's canvases. Obviously you and I know what a better decision that would be for him, but to most people I'm sure it's an easy one against it. I don't see banksy stooping to the guy and reassuring him "I know it may seem unorthodox, but trust me, if you talk to the right gallery, you should be lookin' at about $30K for this puppy". I shouldn't use the word 'sure' but still, you get my drift, and know I really don't know a damned thing for sure. very true, cash for bills, art for thrills
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 0:08:03 GMT 1, Your government seems to have forgotten that first part
Your government seems to have forgotten that first part
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 0:11:42 GMT 1, Do you think he was hoping the press would take the NYPD Pig piece up and in turn rubbish Banksy?, reckon hes a bit envious of all the attention Banksy is getting over there?. Sounds like he was just being a fool. Like he was having a blast watching everyone pick up on this massive earth-shattering story of their collabo. What became of the accusations that he was a grass?
www.thelondonvandal.com/2012/03/cope2-declares-war-on-utah-ether/
Do you think he was hoping the press would take the NYPD Pig piece up and in turn rubbish Banksy?, reckon hes a bit envious of all the attention Banksy is getting over there?. Sounds like he was just being a fool. Like he was having a blast watching everyone pick up on this massive earth-shattering story of their collabo. What became of the accusations that he was a grass? www.thelondonvandal.com/2012/03/cope2-declares-war-on-utah-ether/
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 0:15:30 GMT 1, Maybe coachy but it was a s**t thing to post on instagram, i was watching all the gushing comments about how it was cool he was working with Banksy and how people should now stay the **** away from Banksys walls because hes working with the king, Cope2 didnt once say it wasnt Banksy who had done it, he was loving it!. There were a few on his instagram post saying it was not a Banksy collab though (members on here actually) but they were in the minority.
Agreed he is a Legend though.
edit.Where the hell did coaches post go?.
Maybe coachy but it was a s**t thing to post on instagram, i was watching all the gushing comments about how it was cool he was working with Banksy and how people should now stay the **** away from Banksys walls because hes working with the king, Cope2 didnt once say it wasnt Banksy who had done it, he was loving it!. There were a few on his instagram post saying it was not a Banksy collab though (members on here actually) but they were in the minority.
Agreed he is a Legend though.
edit.Where the hell did coaches post go?.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 19, 2013 0:20:35 GMT 1, I think he has used that respect as a prolific writer to his advantage over the years and its paid him well he always collaborates with the big street artists and so forth, yet amongst the alot of the writing community he has a pretty Love hate relationship, I dont know him personally but he is made fun of called out as a snitch constantly by other writers. He could be a great guy I dont know him but if this stunt is any indication of how he might be as a person then we can all make our own judgements on that. My "OPINION" is like i have stated regularly is Banksy is with writers in NY thus the Twins collab and he hears the good and bad maybe talk about Cope from real writers and his judgement might be a bit better than say MBW. I respect what Cope has done in his graf career not many can do what he has done, yet that doesnt make me give him any special treatment.
This is a rumor amongst people in the Know in NY there are grumblings Banksy is pretty depressed about how his work has been attacked so far by other artists, as an Artist and writer myself I hope he would know that its the minority the real writers I feel are with him on this.
I think he has used that respect as a prolific writer to his advantage over the years and its paid him well he always collaborates with the big street artists and so forth, yet amongst the alot of the writing community he has a pretty Love hate relationship, I dont know him personally but he is made fun of called out as a snitch constantly by other writers. He could be a great guy I dont know him but if this stunt is any indication of how he might be as a person then we can all make our own judgements on that. My "OPINION" is like i have stated regularly is Banksy is with writers in NY thus the Twins collab and he hears the good and bad maybe talk about Cope from real writers and his judgement might be a bit better than say MBW. I respect what Cope has done in his graf career not many can do what he has done, yet that doesnt make me give him any special treatment.
This is a rumor amongst people in the Know in NY there are grumblings Banksy is pretty depressed about how his work has been attacked so far by other artists, as an Artist and writer myself I hope he would know that its the minority the real writers I feel are with him on this.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 19, 2013 1:05:30 GMT 1, Didnt see this posted yet Pic courtesy of Hyperallergic
Didnt see this posted yet Pic courtesy of Hyperallergic
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by antigrav on Oct 19, 2013 1:23:09 GMT 1, The eyes arent painted in either on the Cop, IMO its the exact same image but the Os gemeos picture was taken maybe when they first completed the paintings, and they might have retouched or added some small nuances like the eyes and such. Its the exact same figures with only small additions that could have been done recently just before the hanging of the images, maybe just a once more go over details and such. i agree, that makes sense. Fwiw... I noticed that if you do a right-click > save on the two Banksy/OsG collab images on banksy.co.uk from today... they both have the word 'corrected' in their file names...
b-osgen-2-corrected-sized-01.jpg b-osgen-1-corrected-sized-01.jpg
The eyes arent painted in either on the Cop, IMO its the exact same image but the Os gemeos picture was taken maybe when they first completed the paintings, and they might have retouched or added some small nuances like the eyes and such. Its the exact same figures with only small additions that could have been done recently just before the hanging of the images, maybe just a once more go over details and such. i agree, that makes sense. Fwiw... I noticed that if you do a right-click > save on the two Banksy/OsG collab images on banksy.co.uk from today... they both have the word 'corrected' in their file names... b-osgen-2- corrected-sized-01.jpg b-osgen-1- corrected-sized-01.jpg
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 1:31:56 GMT 1, The thing I didn't like about the Cope2 'joke' was that it was making out Banksy was calling the NYPD pigs. That's surely unwanted/unneeded heat for Banksy and not a smart move on Cope2's part. Does Cope2 regularly and openly call the NYPD 'pigs' or just when he's standing behind Banksy?
The thing I didn't like about the Cope2 'joke' was that it was making out Banksy was calling the NYPD pigs. That's surely unwanted/unneeded heat for Banksy and not a smart move on Cope2's part. Does Cope2 regularly and openly call the NYPD 'pigs' or just when he's standing behind Banksy?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by camosydney on Oct 19, 2013 1:38:45 GMT 1, I think he has used that respect as a prolific writer to his advantage over the years and its paid him well he always collaborates with the big street artists and so forth, yet amongst the alot of the writing community he has a pretty Love hate relationship, I dont know him personally but he is made fun of called out as a snitch constantly by other writers. He could be a great guy I dont know him but if this stunt is any indication of how he might be as a person then we can all make our own judgements on that. My "OPINION" is like i have stated regularly is Banksy is with writers in NY thus the Twins collab and he hears the good and bad maybe talk about Cope from real writers and his judgement might be a bit better than say MBW. I respect what Cope has done in his graf career not many can do what he has done, yet that doesnt make me give him any special treatment. This is a rumor amongst people in the Know in NY there are grumblings Banksy is pretty depressed about how his work has been attacked so far by other artists, as an Artist and writer myself I hope he would know that its the minority the real writers I feel are with him on this. Hopefully after todays piece he gets a little more respect from local writers
I think he has used that respect as a prolific writer to his advantage over the years and its paid him well he always collaborates with the big street artists and so forth, yet amongst the alot of the writing community he has a pretty Love hate relationship, I dont know him personally but he is made fun of called out as a snitch constantly by other writers. He could be a great guy I dont know him but if this stunt is any indication of how he might be as a person then we can all make our own judgements on that. My "OPINION" is like i have stated regularly is Banksy is with writers in NY thus the Twins collab and he hears the good and bad maybe talk about Cope from real writers and his judgement might be a bit better than say MBW. I respect what Cope has done in his graf career not many can do what he has done, yet that doesnt make me give him any special treatment. This is a rumor amongst people in the Know in NY there are grumblings Banksy is pretty depressed about how his work has been attacked so far by other artists, as an Artist and writer myself I hope he would know that its the minority the real writers I feel are with him on this. Hopefully after todays piece he gets a little more respect from local writers
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by polaris on Oct 19, 2013 2:25:37 GMT 1, Didnt see this posted yet Pic courtesy of Hyperallergic Bahaha, adore it.
Didnt see this posted yet Pic courtesy of Hyperallergic Bahaha, adore it.
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nrgball
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 19, 2013 2:51:04 GMT 1, I'm not saying Banksy wouldn't sell out. I'm saying that popularity and media manipulation are part of his game. They always have been. He's a master at focusing attention on his work. In this case, he is exploiting social media and the actual media to its fullest right now. Over 200,000 Instagram followers in 18 days. My parents and acquaintances are texting me and have probably never uttered his name in all the years he's been an artist. He may be a household name in the UK but he's becoming one in the US and beyond right now. This show will be spoken about for years and how it changes the art game is yet to be seen. The Banksy brand has exploded due to this art show on more levels than I can articulate right now. Let me be clear, I don't think Banksy is motivated by money. As I've previously stated, I think he is motivated by legacy and a genuine need to expose the world for what it is. This is done with wit, humor and clear aggression through his art. He is wicked intelligent and a master at media manipulation. Through these vehicles and with these tools Banksy grows his brand. As a result of this brand growth, his work increases in value. Give it 2 years and come back to me with the results in the auction houses. And Banksy makes a living off this too mate, though I agree with you. It's not his motivation. Branding and marketing imply he's motivated by financial gain. In Banksy's case, I think motivated simply by having his voice heard.
As I stated earlier, maybe Branding is the wrong term
I'm not saying Banksy wouldn't sell out. I'm saying that popularity and media manipulation are part of his game. They always have been. He's a master at focusing attention on his work. In this case, he is exploiting social media and the actual media to its fullest right now. Over 200,000 Instagram followers in 18 days. My parents and acquaintances are texting me and have probably never uttered his name in all the years he's been an artist. He may be a household name in the UK but he's becoming one in the US and beyond right now. This show will be spoken about for years and how it changes the art game is yet to be seen. The Banksy brand has exploded due to this art show on more levels than I can articulate right now. Let me be clear, I don't think Banksy is motivated by money. As I've previously stated, I think he is motivated by legacy and a genuine need to expose the world for what it is. This is done with wit, humor and clear aggression through his art. He is wicked intelligent and a master at media manipulation. Through these vehicles and with these tools Banksy grows his brand. As a result of this brand growth, his work increases in value. Give it 2 years and come back to me with the results in the auction houses. And Banksy makes a living off this too mate, though I agree with you. It's not his motivation. Branding and marketing imply he's motivated by financial gain. In Banksy's case, I think motivated simply by having his voice heard. As I stated earlier, maybe Branding is the wrong term
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Oct 19, 2013 3:38:31 GMT 1, "The greatest trick Banksy ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist". Agent Kujan has been trying to pin him down for years...
"The greatest trick Banksy ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist". Agent Kujan has been trying to pin him down for years...
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