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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 23:56:23 GMT 1, Ha, guess im prob. lumped in with those followers BR , however, these days i havent got a pot to piss in nor a window to chuck it out of but i still like his work so not all about dosh as far as my interest goes.
Ha, guess im prob. lumped in with those followers BR , however, these days i havent got a pot to piss in nor a window to chuck it out of but i still like his work so not all about dosh as far as my interest goes.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 22, 2013 0:31:55 GMT 1, Laundry night.
Laundry night.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by tartarus on Oct 22, 2013 0:44:24 GMT 1, Bit harsh to cover it up so nobody can see it in the meantime!!
In fact fuck it, well aimed balloons filled with paint if anyones wondering :-)
Bit harsh to cover it up so nobody can see it in the meantime!!
In fact fuck it, well aimed balloons filled with paint if anyones wondering :-)
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 22, 2013 1:00:52 GMT 1, I'm not really interested in the plexiglass thing, especially when it isn't going to deter NYC writers from going over plexi or bashing it. ย I'm fine with the shine as many 9-11 offerings end up like that. I think that I do like the plexi in one major respect. ย It is representative of New Yorkers as a whole taking notice to an artistic/expressive culture that has existed around them for a few decades. ย I think that they will appreciate the value of this subculture in different ways going forward. I dont want to be too negative but I doubt it is representative of NYers taking notice or looking at street art any differently. The city is the Mecca and its been around for decades. The plexi and Respect aspect and this is my "OPINION" is from Money, onlookers telling the property owners that this is could be worth hundereds of thousands and so forth. The money aspect of it is more representative of the Nyers take on it than any respect for the artform and such. Look what story travelled fastest and farthest through the media, it was the stand and the fact that people could have hit the lottery so to say. The angle was always about the money in that respect not about the art or the artist.
Sorry, I didn't have enough time before my meeting to be 100% clear. I agree the plexi is about greed at its core. And I'm not interested in it. Agreed it has nothing to do with art.
I'm saying that the evolution of the interaction with Banksys work has migrated toward the act of plexiglas. The fact that folks are suddenly seeing value in the art (even if it is simply monetary gain) will have transformed the way that New Yorkers will interact with graffiti and street art forever. In other words, Banksy will create an interest and focus on the wall scribbles, tags and murals that many pass by in a rush through their lives. Sure some will only see how they can gain from it, but many will realize that the gain is seeing beauty and culture where they couldn't before this residency. That to me is quite positive.
Banksy will also succeed in progressing the existence of "Urban Art" with in the "proper" art world. This too is an important success as it raises the volume of the voiced from the population. The artists who grew up in and on the streets and evolved to make statements and images of beauty that have been looked over now have a firmer platform to stand on because of this residency. NYC is a Mecca and a force in the art world, Banksy has just lain down the gauntlet, IMHO.
I'm not really interested in the plexiglass thing, especially when it isn't going to deter NYC writers from going over plexi or bashing it. ย I'm fine with the shine as many 9-11 offerings end up like that. I think that I do like the plexi in one major respect. ย It is representative of New Yorkers as a whole taking notice to an artistic/expressive culture that has existed around them for a few decades. ย I think that they will appreciate the value of this subculture in different ways going forward. I dont want to be too negative but I doubt it is representative of NYers taking notice or looking at street art any differently. The city is the Mecca and its been around for decades. The plexi and Respect aspect and this is my "OPINION" is from Money, onlookers telling the property owners that this is could be worth hundereds of thousands and so forth. The money aspect of it is more representative of the Nyers take on it than any respect for the artform and such. Look what story travelled fastest and farthest through the media, it was the stand and the fact that people could have hit the lottery so to say. The angle was always about the money in that respect not about the art or the artist. Sorry, I didn't have enough time before my meeting to be 100% clear. I agree the plexi is about greed at its core. And I'm not interested in it. Agreed it has nothing to do with art. I'm saying that the evolution of the interaction with Banksys work has migrated toward the act of plexiglas. The fact that folks are suddenly seeing value in the art (even if it is simply monetary gain) will have transformed the way that New Yorkers will interact with graffiti and street art forever. In other words, Banksy will create an interest and focus on the wall scribbles, tags and murals that many pass by in a rush through their lives. Sure some will only see how they can gain from it, but many will realize that the gain is seeing beauty and culture where they couldn't before this residency. That to me is quite positive. Banksy will also succeed in progressing the existence of "Urban Art" with in the "proper" art world. This too is an important success as it raises the volume of the voiced from the population. The artists who grew up in and on the streets and evolved to make statements and images of beauty that have been looked over now have a firmer platform to stand on because of this residency. NYC is a Mecca and a force in the art world, Banksy has just lain down the gauntlet, IMHO.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 22, 2013 1:05:54 GMT 1, I think the biggest Public not us or real art people's take on this whole thing has been about the dollar signs associated with the work. I think once someone walking buy or on instagram first see a banksy and someone tells them this piece is worth a hundred thousand dollars it gets stuck on there head so to say. They see it has a 100 thousand dollars versus a actual work of art. Same goes now for musuem pieces and such they dont go to see the art they go to see a painting worth 50 million dollars. I know Im generalizing, but this aspect stands out to me during the media coverage and the new onlookers so to speak. Not many really care about the artwork IMO like we might, to them its another story about Money. Yeah, that's why all the regular people were having so much fun taking funny pictures with Hammer Boy.
The press mentions money, not often but largely with the Central Park caper...otherwise most of the coverage has been of this elusive Fagin-meets-Peter Pan character, which has an element of NYC excited (and of course a larger element that could care less).
The museum thought is interesting, be interested in hearing more on that...how did you come to that conclusion?
I think the biggest Public not us or real art people's take on this whole thing has been about the dollar signs associated with the work. I think once someone walking buy or on instagram first see a banksy and someone tells them this piece is worth a hundred thousand dollars it gets stuck on there head so to say. They see it has a 100 thousand dollars versus a actual work of art. Same goes now for musuem pieces and such they dont go to see the art they go to see a painting worth 50 million dollars. I know Im generalizing, but this aspect stands out to me during the media coverage and the new onlookers so to speak. Not many really care about the artwork IMO like we might, to them its another story about Money. Yeah, that's why all the regular people were having so much fun taking funny pictures with Hammer Boy. The press mentions money, not often but largely with the Central Park caper...otherwise most of the coverage has been of this elusive Fagin-meets-Peter Pan character, which has an element of NYC excited (and of course a larger element that could care less). The museum thought is interesting, be interested in hearing more on that...how did you come to that conclusion?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 1:17:01 GMT 1, I'm not sure I agree people go to art museums because pieces are worth this or that... For a start many are priceless which is a relatively hard concept for some to get their head round. But in more general terms we're brought up in cultures where such places have a certain reverence in knowledge and learning, and whether we understand the work or not, we generally know we're supposed to learn from it.gallery shows I'd say are much nearer to the $ appreciation theory definitely.
I'm not sure I agree people go to art museums because pieces are worth this or that... For a start many are priceless which is a relatively hard concept for some to get their head round. But in more general terms we're brought up in cultures where such places have a certain reverence in knowledge and learning, and whether we understand the work or not, we generally know we're supposed to learn from it.gallery shows I'd say are much nearer to the $ appreciation theory definitely.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 1:23:21 GMT 1, Ha, guess im prob. lumped in with those followers BR , however, these days i havent got a pot to piss in nor a window to chuck it out of but i still like his work so not all about dosh as far as my interest goes.
I wasn't having a dig wiz and I'm certainly not street either. I do love this piece though possibly it's even my favourite! It's not original, but it harks back to a theme in his much earlier work... Whilst remaining so relevant today! It's also something so many struggle to admit too, for fear of losing what little cred they have.
This show got me thinking about dface, walker and eine and how little their work has progressed too. This piece could be critiqued as an 'old' idea but taken in the context of the residency takes on a different note, a look to the past whilst reminding us of its relevance now.... I can't help thinking of moody gallery owner/ artists and blogs !!
Ha, guess im prob. lumped in with those followers BR , however, these days i havent got a pot to piss in nor a window to chuck it out of but i still like his work so not all about dosh as far as my interest goes. I wasn't having a dig wiz and I'm certainly not street either. I do love this piece though possibly it's even my favourite! It's not original, but it harks back to a theme in his much earlier work... Whilst remaining so relevant today! It's also something so many struggle to admit too, for fear of losing what little cred they have. This show got me thinking about dface, walker and eine and how little their work has progressed too. This piece could be critiqued as an 'old' idea but taken in the context of the residency takes on a different note, a look to the past whilst reminding us of its relevance now.... I can't help thinking of moody gallery owner/ artists and blogs !!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by jettad on Oct 22, 2013 1:32:32 GMT 1, Just arrived in this fantastic city and stopped by the WTC piece in Tribeca. The plexi was smashed and off to one side. But I love the whole wall. I will check it out in the morning.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 2:08:24 GMT 1, nice graff pun!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 22, 2013 2:35:34 GMT 1, Good Points no need to derail the thread with a long response yet I would love to have the conversation about the musuem another time maybe.
Good Points no need to derail the thread with a long response yet I would love to have the conversation about the musuem another time maybe.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 22, 2013 2:48:26 GMT 1, Speaking of subway trains.... is it that hard to paint the new stainless steel trains? I wonder if this is in the works for the show. Its almost a write of passage to paint a subway car in NYC. So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car.
No longer a right of passage.
Speaking of subway trains.... is it that hard to paint the new stainless steel trains? I wonder if this is in the works for the show. Its almost a write of passage to paint a subway car in NYC. So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 22, 2013 2:50:50 GMT 1, Speaking of subway trains.... is it that hard to paint the new stainless steel trains? I wonder if this is in the works for the show. Its almost a write of passage to paint a subway car in NYC. So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage. definitely. nyc subways are in the same circle as post-911 patriot act 747s
Speaking of subway trains.... is it that hard to paint the new stainless steel trains? I wonder if this is in the works for the show. Its almost a write of passage to paint a subway car in NYC. So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage. definitely. nyc subways are in the same circle as post-911 patriot act 747s
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by polaris on Oct 22, 2013 3:16:37 GMT 1, Speaking of subway trains.... is it that hard to paint the new stainless steel trains? I wonder if this is in the works for the show. Its almost a write of passage to paint a subway car in NYC. So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage. I can't seem to find an image of that piece you're talking about. Any way you can post one? Thanks! Edit: Nevermind, it's this one.
Speaking of subway trains.... is it that hard to paint the new stainless steel trains? I wonder if this is in the works for the show. Its almost a write of passage to paint a subway car in NYC. So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage. I can't seem to find an image of that piece you're talking about. Any way you can post one? Thanks! Edit: Nevermind, it's this one.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 22, 2013 3:20:47 GMT 1, So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage. I can't seem to find an image of that piece you're talking about. Any way you can post one? Thanks!
So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage. I can't seem to find an image of that piece you're talking about. Any way you can post one? Thanks!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by dreadnatty on Oct 22, 2013 4:00:10 GMT 1, So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage. I can't seem to find an image of that piece you're talking about. Any way you can post one? Thanks! Edit: Nevermind, it's this one.
Better shot by AFR1KA
So far he's only done 1 piece that would qualify as vandalism, the initial WTC on the Brooklyn Promenade and hard to prove he did it as he's not acknowledged it - only piece on city/public property. All other pieces on private property - if no complaints no vandalism. He would get crucified if he did a subway car. No longer a right of passage. I can't seem to find an image of that piece you're talking about. Any way you can post one? Thanks! Edit: Nevermind, it's this one. Better shot by AFR1KA
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 22, 2013 4:43:14 GMT 1, Think the plexi is really interesting due to the fact that its pretty much the fact that they have been tagged so much which has caused the building owners to plexi them. Which is kind of interesting.. Think the value thing has obviously been a factor and in some cases the only factor but must say not quite so sure it's as simple as that.
It's weird and even on here (to differing degree's) that he is viewed as an artist and the taggers as vandals...not arguing the rights and wrongs of that but think it and this show particularly in New York is asking some interesting questions.
eg Bloomburg saying graffiti is illegal and bad bad bad.etc and yet his work as a whole is not being viewed that way. But the taggers work is being viewed as pure vandalism by the public , building owners, media in general
so it's easy to see understand the plexi glass thing but what's interesting about that is the fact that its a British thing particularly london and Banksy works. Not sure it is strong enough to sustain and live in New York as it does in polite old London where tagging culture is both reduced and say slightly different. Be interesting to see how this plays out and if it changes anything in that graffiti, vandalism art relationship.
likewise if any and how many New York walls end up for sale or will they be just protected and maintained as if art in a gallery.
Think the plexi is really interesting due to the fact that its pretty much the fact that they have been tagged so much which has caused the building owners to plexi them. Which is kind of interesting.. Think the value thing has obviously been a factor and in some cases the only factor but must say not quite so sure it's as simple as that.
It's weird and even on here (to differing degree's) that he is viewed as an artist and the taggers as vandals...not arguing the rights and wrongs of that but think it and this show particularly in New York is asking some interesting questions.
eg Bloomburg saying graffiti is illegal and bad bad bad.etc and yet his work as a whole is not being viewed that way. But the taggers work is being viewed as pure vandalism by the public , building owners, media in general
so it's easy to see understand the plexi glass thing but what's interesting about that is the fact that its a British thing particularly london and Banksy works. Not sure it is strong enough to sustain and live in New York as it does in polite old London where tagging culture is both reduced and say slightly different. Be interesting to see how this plays out and if it changes anything in that graffiti, vandalism art relationship.
likewise if any and how many New York walls end up for sale or will they be just protected and maintained as if art in a gallery.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 22, 2013 4:49:53 GMT 1, I would imagine that unless the walls are removed, then tags and damage will continue to attracted by the plexiglass. Owners will either give up and the walls will be swallowed or they will be cut out and bought up by galleries, private collectors or museums. We shall see the end game though.
I would imagine that unless the walls are removed, then tags and damage will continue to attracted by the plexiglass. Owners will either give up and the walls will be swallowed or they will be cut out and bought up by galleries, private collectors or museums. We shall see the end game though.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 22, 2013 5:22:49 GMT 1, Johnny and nrg... Is plexi a common thing in Uk street art?
I too find it remarkable, the magnetic attraction of Banksy's spots to other Graf writers. There's a strange dichotomy going on there, the progression of things:
1. Landlord discovers graffiti on wall 2. Landlord researches removal methods. 3. Passerby notifies landlord graffiti is in fact art by world famous street artist 4. Landlord ceases removal research, switches gears to value research. 5. Graf writer X appears, tags either on or nearby Banksy tag. 6. Admirers cry mercy. 7. Landlord punches or reports Graf X. 8. Landlord resumes value research, adds also protection research. Calls bodyguards.
Lol.
Thoughts on this?
In a way this is an aspect that really blows about being Banksy. Who else does this happen to (put down the torch, I'm sure there's someone else; in just ignorant)? When Faile puts up a massive mural, the piece goes untouched for months; not because it isn't noticeable, hehehe...
Looking forward to hearing a more worldly and otherwise knowledgeable view on this.
Johnny and nrg... Is plexi a common thing in Uk street art?
I too find it remarkable, the magnetic attraction of Banksy's spots to other Graf writers. There's a strange dichotomy going on there, the progression of things:
1. Landlord discovers graffiti on wall 2. Landlord researches removal methods. 3. Passerby notifies landlord graffiti is in fact art by world famous street artist 4. Landlord ceases removal research, switches gears to value research. 5. Graf writer X appears, tags either on or nearby Banksy tag. 6. Admirers cry mercy. 7. Landlord punches or reports Graf X. 8. Landlord resumes value research, adds also protection research. Calls bodyguards.
Lol.
Thoughts on this?
In a way this is an aspect that really blows about being Banksy. Who else does this happen to (put down the torch, I'm sure there's someone else; in just ignorant)? When Faile puts up a massive mural, the piece goes untouched for months; not because it isn't noticeable, hehehe...
Looking forward to hearing a more worldly and otherwise knowledgeable view on this.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by polaris on Oct 22, 2013 5:33:23 GMT 1, I can't seem to find an image of that piece you're talking about. Any way you can post one? Thanks! Edit: Nevermind, it's this one. Better shot by AFR1KA That location is much better than the official one on his website. It just gives it heavier emotional weight with the view in the background missing the WTC.
I can't seem to find an image of that piece you're talking about. Any way you can post one? Thanks! Edit: Nevermind, it's this one. Better shot by AFR1KA That location is much better than the official one on his website. It just gives it heavier emotional weight with the view in the background missing the WTC.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 22, 2013 5:33:25 GMT 1, This is not a new issue, Banksy work getting special treatment. I remember reading about it in the past even in London, so I dont see this as opening any new questions. Many writers hate Banksy for this reason alone even though its not his fault his work is regarded as something to be preserved. I will stand behind my opinion that his work is not preserved because it is aesthetically better than any other work of art, it is preserved because the value it holds in dollars. I would guess that the crowd and the fans are having a big impact on the owners as suggesting they preserve the wall, telling them value, telling them to put plexi, showing them other works with plexi etc etc.
Another question worth asking is why someone like swoon who creates amazing street pieces doesnt need plexi and are able to live rather well with graffiti in new york, and in the environment of the street. We could make the argument that a swoon is just as important in some respects. Her work has been in musuems, its aesthetically nice, its worth money as well.
This is not a new issue, Banksy work getting special treatment. I remember reading about it in the past even in London, so I dont see this as opening any new questions. Many writers hate Banksy for this reason alone even though its not his fault his work is regarded as something to be preserved. I will stand behind my opinion that his work is not preserved because it is aesthetically better than any other work of art, it is preserved because the value it holds in dollars. I would guess that the crowd and the fans are having a big impact on the owners as suggesting they preserve the wall, telling them value, telling them to put plexi, showing them other works with plexi etc etc.
Another question worth asking is why someone like swoon who creates amazing street pieces doesnt need plexi and are able to live rather well with graffiti in new york, and in the environment of the street. We could make the argument that a swoon is just as important in some respects. Her work has been in musuems, its aesthetically nice, its worth money as well.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 22, 2013 5:49:04 GMT 1, This is not a new issue, Banksy work getting special treatment. I remember reading about it in the past even in London, so I dont see this as opening any new questions. Many writers hate Banksy for this reason alone even though its not his fault his work is regarded as something to be preserved. I will stand behind my opinion that his work is not preserved because it is aesthetically better than any other work of art, it is preserved because the value it holds in dollars. I would guess that the crowd and the fans are having a big impact on the owners as suggesting they preserve the wall, telling them value, telling them to put plexi, showing them other works with plexi etc etc. Another question worth asking is why someone like swoon who creates amazing street pieces doesnt need plexi and are able to live rather well with graffiti in new york, and in the environment of the street. We could make the argument that a swoon is just as important in some respects. Her work has been in musuems, its aesthetically nice, its worth money as well. I think you answered your own question. Swoon fans aren't going around telling business owners that there wall is worth tens of thousands of dollars. Nor are Swoon collectors purchasing her walls openly. This leads to another issue though. Artists like Faile, Fairey or Swoon who have reach a certain popularity and price point all readily make their work available to the public if they are willing to pay the price. Banksy originals are quite hard to come by. They can be had if you have the cash but it is not so easy to break in. You have to know someone. So there is also an air of exclusivity that Banksy himself promotes by remaining closed off from the public in both his persona and the availability of his work.
Its also obvious that artists like Swoon have put their time in around NY as well as making beautiful/interesting commentary with her art without broadcasting her jazz to the world. Banksy obviously likes to be the loudest voice in the room. And New Yorkers will always stand up and tell you to shut the fuck up in a louder voice.
I would also argue that this has all become a recent phenomenon based on the sale of a few walls. So there is speculation on the owners part that they can make a buck by selling their walls. Though the past has showed that walls without COAs have gone unsold as in the case of Bankrobber and the Ketzler Gallery. This residency poses another question to the scheme because Banksy has essentially authenticated all the pieces on his website. Though he hasn't signed any of them nor will he offer COA's formally. It begs the question, will wealthy collectors buy into the situation or not. There is already a contingent of wealthy collectors who will not purchase anything with out a signature and COA. I am sure there are those knuckleheads who will just so they can hold bragging rights. It is still yet to be seen.
This is not a new issue, Banksy work getting special treatment. I remember reading about it in the past even in London, so I dont see this as opening any new questions. Many writers hate Banksy for this reason alone even though its not his fault his work is regarded as something to be preserved. I will stand behind my opinion that his work is not preserved because it is aesthetically better than any other work of art, it is preserved because the value it holds in dollars. I would guess that the crowd and the fans are having a big impact on the owners as suggesting they preserve the wall, telling them value, telling them to put plexi, showing them other works with plexi etc etc. Another question worth asking is why someone like swoon who creates amazing street pieces doesnt need plexi and are able to live rather well with graffiti in new york, and in the environment of the street. We could make the argument that a swoon is just as important in some respects. Her work has been in musuems, its aesthetically nice, its worth money as well. I think you answered your own question. Swoon fans aren't going around telling business owners that there wall is worth tens of thousands of dollars. Nor are Swoon collectors purchasing her walls openly. This leads to another issue though. Artists like Faile, Fairey or Swoon who have reach a certain popularity and price point all readily make their work available to the public if they are willing to pay the price. Banksy originals are quite hard to come by. They can be had if you have the cash but it is not so easy to break in. You have to know someone. So there is also an air of exclusivity that Banksy himself promotes by remaining closed off from the public in both his persona and the availability of his work. Its also obvious that artists like Swoon have put their time in around NY as well as making beautiful/interesting commentary with her art without broadcasting her jazz to the world. Banksy obviously likes to be the loudest voice in the room. And New Yorkers will always stand up and tell you to shut the fuck up in a louder voice. I would also argue that this has all become a recent phenomenon based on the sale of a few walls. So there is speculation on the owners part that they can make a buck by selling their walls. Though the past has showed that walls without COAs have gone unsold as in the case of Bankrobber and the Ketzler Gallery. This residency poses another question to the scheme because Banksy has essentially authenticated all the pieces on his website. Though he hasn't signed any of them nor will he offer COA's formally. It begs the question, will wealthy collectors buy into the situation or not. There is already a contingent of wealthy collectors who will not purchase anything with out a signature and COA. I am sure there are those knuckleheads who will just so they can hold bragging rights. It is still yet to be seen.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 22, 2013 6:15:49 GMT 1, Kylefrombklyn no plexi in UK street art is not particularly common with the exception really of Banksy pieces in general. Eg if he did a piece today on a council/government building in London they would plexi it with in 24 hours.
Graffiti: Banksy's getting special treatment is not new in the UK but it is New in New York and I kinda suppose what's funny is that the two mega street artists of our time Haring and Basquait are both New York yet nothing is left on the street.....so they have seen it before and missed the boat in general so with all this media and your wall could be this or that I can understand it as they have a model to follow.
but not sure it's just cash obviously a lot will be but not sure everybody will be cutting their walls apart to sell them. They might add it on the top if you wanted to buy the building. But plenty of walls in the UK not cut open but this concept is quite new so it will be interesting to see how it plays out
Kylefrombklyn no plexi in UK street art is not particularly common with the exception really of Banksy pieces in general. Eg if he did a piece today on a council/government building in London they would plexi it with in 24 hours.
Graffiti: Banksy's getting special treatment is not new in the UK but it is New in New York and I kinda suppose what's funny is that the two mega street artists of our time Haring and Basquait are both New York yet nothing is left on the street.....so they have seen it before and missed the boat in general so with all this media and your wall could be this or that I can understand it as they have a model to follow.
but not sure it's just cash obviously a lot will be but not sure everybody will be cutting their walls apart to sell them. They might add it on the top if you wanted to buy the building. But plenty of walls in the UK not cut open but this concept is quite new so it will be interesting to see how it plays out
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 22, 2013 6:44:52 GMT 1,
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by randomname on Oct 22, 2013 6:47:49 GMT 1, This is probably the one piece I would have knocked someone out if I saw them tagging it.
This is probably the one piece I would have knocked someone out if I saw them tagging it.
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johnnyh
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 22, 2013 6:51:43 GMT 1, Yes that's a shame I understand the others but surprised this has received a tagging. Not nice really.
Yes that's a shame I understand the others but surprised this has received a tagging. Not nice really.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by hunter on Oct 22, 2013 7:08:43 GMT 1, There is no plexi on the surviving pieces in Bristol although there has been some public discussion about it. Nothing to do with money (apart from tourism) but purely preservation. For example the mild mild west is seen like a 'welcome to Bristol' sign. It has been defaced on a couple of occasions but sympathetically restored by the community.
There is no plexi on the surviving pieces in Bristol although there has been some public discussion about it. Nothing to do with money (apart from tourism) but purely preservation. For example the mild mild west is seen like a 'welcome to Bristol' sign. It has been defaced on a couple of occasions but sympathetically restored by the community.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Frndly Fire on Oct 22, 2013 7:09:36 GMT 1, When the โGraffiti is a Crimeโ sign was stolen it was asked if, given the chance, you would have taken the sign. A few said they would, but most were dead against it (even though they knew it wouldnโt last long). So, given the latest chat, what if a Banksy appeared on the side of your property overnight? Would you leave it for the street? Would you look to preserve it? Would you charge people for a peek? Would you cut it out and stick it in your living room, or would you try and sell it on?
When the โGraffiti is a Crimeโ sign was stolen it was asked if, given the chance, you would have taken the sign. A few said they would, but most were dead against it (even though they knew it wouldnโt last long). So, given the latest chat, what if a Banksy appeared on the side of your property overnight? Would you leave it for the street? Would you look to preserve it? Would you charge people for a peek? Would you cut it out and stick it in your living room, or would you try and sell it on?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by johnnyh on Oct 22, 2013 7:34:23 GMT 1, It's a real good question but got to say I would preserve it....I know, I know.....but it's what I would do. Ideally you could just look after it but in N Y as we can see will last hours at best.
Think Hunters point above is really interesting and I suppose the turf element comes in, in that the Bristol ones are fine in general.
Likewise not sold either
It's a real good question but got to say I would preserve it....I know, I know.....but it's what I would do. Ideally you could just look after it but in N Y as we can see will last hours at best.
Think Hunters point above is really interesting and I suppose the turf element comes in, in that the Bristol ones are fine in general.
Likewise not sold either
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by londonboy on Oct 22, 2013 7:55:57 GMT 1, Kylefrombklyn no plexi in UK street art is not particularly common with the exception really of Banksy pieces in general. Eg if he did a piece today on a council/government building in London they would plexi it with in 24 hours. Very true I can think of of a rat on a council building still under plexi after almost 10 years Or the gangsta rat on moorfield eye hospital protected after a while and then sold at auction for charity.. Jeez, I suck at quoting
Kylefrombklyn no plexi in UK street art is not particularly common with the exception really of Banksy pieces in general. Eg if he did a piece today on a council/government building in London they would plexi it with in 24 hours. Very true I can think of of a rat on a council building still under plexi after almost 10 years Or the gangsta rat on moorfield eye hospital protected after a while and then sold at auction for charity.. Jeez, I suck at quoting
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Quinnster on Oct 22, 2013 8:30:03 GMT 1, A couple of things 'we're' not the Borg and don't speak with one voice, secondly, do the trucks driving around various boroughs mean he's gone all city already? Yes but there is usually a consensus even with the fringe against. I wouldnt count the trucks or Ronald moving after the fact. I would count the initial placement of the trucks and Ronald. Even though technically yes they could be counted but that would be too easy. I want to see if physically he has accomplished it yet. Ill send a text to a friend today see what he thinks he is has come close and has been working on it for the last 5 years yet he has literally thousands of marks in the streets compared to one piece yet these are 2 different animals and just curious.
Who cares? I think it's more a case of making at art fit in to what he finds. With banksy it's mainly about placement. Also I don't think it's about the tagging it's more about the interaction that people find interesting.
A couple of things 'we're' not the Borg and don't speak with one voice, secondly, do the trucks driving around various boroughs mean he's gone all city already? Yes but there is usually a consensus even with the fringe against. I wouldnt count the trucks or Ronald moving after the fact. I would count the initial placement of the trucks and Ronald. Even though technically yes they could be counted but that would be too easy. I want to see if physically he has accomplished it yet. Ill send a text to a friend today see what he thinks he is has come close and has been working on it for the last 5 years yet he has literally thousands of marks in the streets compared to one piece yet these are 2 different animals and just curious. Who cares? I think it's more a case of making at art fit in to what he finds. With banksy it's mainly about placement. Also I don't think it's about the tagging it's more about the interaction that people find interesting.
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