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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kobron on Oct 21, 2013 21:18:39 GMT 1, That's an expensive bit of plexi glass. f**king bollocks. I knew I should have bought shares in plexi glass back in September. Plexiglas?
That's an expensive bit of plexi glass. f**king bollocks. I knew I should have bought shares in plexi glass back in September. Plexiglas?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kobron on Oct 21, 2013 21:20:38 GMT 1, ...So every tool that we've ever had in the past has eventually become ineffective.
...So every tool that we've ever had in the past has eventually become ineffective.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 21:22:58 GMT 1, ...So every tool that we've ever had in the past has eventually become ineffective. my tool was anyway.
...So every tool that we've ever had in the past has eventually become ineffective. my tool was anyway.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 21, 2013 21:38:50 GMT 1, That's an expensive bit of plexi glass. surely must be someone industrious enough to rig a metal motorized curtain to a vending machine bill collector...
= SEE BANKSY
it'll be like a banksy peep show circa times square 1998
That's an expensive bit of plexi glass. surely must be someone industrious enough to rig a metal motorized curtain to a vending machine bill collector... = SEE BANKSY it'll be like a banksy peep show circa times square 1998
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 21:40:14 GMT 1, Hello guys, First of all, I want to thanks all of you, new yorkers and others, for this thread, many informations about Banksy residency and also NY graff scene to understand every move from every side ! This is gold mine and I hope you will continue this thread with many more information ! Banksy, here, is showing what I really like about street art, localisation and placement of pieces in the environment, making some unmeaningful objects complety revisited. He also make some political pieces... Well, I am really enjoying this month trough his website and with this thread. As I am looking each day, on the internet unfortunately, for the new piece via street view (that is not as good as going directly into the street, but I do with what I have !), we decided to make a special month on our Street Art Map, covering banksyny, and to keep each pieces of this month in a geolocalised map, so I wanted to share it with you : streetartmap.chilledoutco.org/?banksyny=1Maybe you don't completely care about it, as you guys, fortunately, can go watch the true pieces by your own eyes, but if you want to take an eye on it, please feel free ! Keep this thread full of information, I really like to read it ! Thanks! That is some cool map you made there! streetartmap.chilledoutco.org/?banksyny=1
Hello guys, First of all, I want to thanks all of you, new yorkers and others, for this thread, many informations about Banksy residency and also NY graff scene to understand every move from every side ! This is gold mine and I hope you will continue this thread with many more information ! Banksy, here, is showing what I really like about street art, localisation and placement of pieces in the environment, making some unmeaningful objects complety revisited. He also make some political pieces... Well, I am really enjoying this month trough his website and with this thread. As I am looking each day, on the internet unfortunately, for the new piece via street view (that is not as good as going directly into the street, but I do with what I have !), we decided to make a special month on our Street Art Map, covering banksyny, and to keep each pieces of this month in a geolocalised map, so I wanted to share it with you : streetartmap.chilledoutco.org/?banksyny=1Maybe you don't completely care about it, as you guys, fortunately, can go watch the true pieces by your own eyes, but if you want to take an eye on it, please feel free ! Keep this thread full of information, I really like to read it ! Thanks! That is some cool map you made there! streetartmap.chilledoutco.org/?banksyny=1
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 21, 2013 22:01:40 GMT 1, So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else.
Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet.
So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else.
Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by rioja on Oct 21, 2013 22:05:03 GMT 1, Just appeared on insta.: the_robear
Just appeared on insta.: the_robear
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 22:05:48 GMT 1, A couple of things 'we're' not the Borg and don't speak with one voice, secondly, do the trucks driving around various boroughs mean he's gone all city already?
A couple of things 'we're' not the Borg and don't speak with one voice, secondly, do the trucks driving around various boroughs mean he's gone all city already?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 21, 2013 22:11:10 GMT 1, A couple of things 'we're' not the Borg and don't speak with one voice, secondly, do the trucks driving around various boroughs mean he's gone all city already? Yes but there is usually a consensus even with the fringe against. I wouldnt count the trucks or Ronald moving after the fact. I would count the initial placement of the trucks and Ronald. Even though technically yes they could be counted but that would be too easy. I want to see if physically he has accomplished it yet. Ill send a text to a friend today see what he thinks he is has come close and has been working on it for the last 5 years yet he has literally thousands of marks in the streets compared to one piece yet these are 2 different animals and just curious.
A couple of things 'we're' not the Borg and don't speak with one voice, secondly, do the trucks driving around various boroughs mean he's gone all city already? Yes but there is usually a consensus even with the fringe against. I wouldnt count the trucks or Ronald moving after the fact. I would count the initial placement of the trucks and Ronald. Even though technically yes they could be counted but that would be too easy. I want to see if physically he has accomplished it yet. Ill send a text to a friend today see what he thinks he is has come close and has been working on it for the last 5 years yet he has literally thousands of marks in the streets compared to one piece yet these are 2 different animals and just curious.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 22:13:53 GMT 1, Just appeared on insta.: the_robear Ha!, love that.
Just appeared on insta.: the_robear Ha!, love that.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Sacked... on Oct 21, 2013 22:19:03 GMT 1, ...So every tool that we've ever had in the past has eventually become ineffective. my tool was anyway. That's not what Shaun the sheep ,said.
...So every tool that we've ever had in the past has eventually become ineffective. my tool was anyway. That's not what Shaun the sheep ,said.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 21, 2013 22:22:59 GMT 1, So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else. Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. Queens, Bronx Manhattan, Staten Island, and Brooklyn.
That's the grand slam if you ask me
So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else. Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. Queens, Bronx Manhattan, Staten Island, and Brooklyn. That's the grand slam if you ask me
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 22:26:10 GMT 1, So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else. Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. For myself, rather than it being covered in plexi and treated like some kind of shrine, or even worse covered by steel shutters to be later cut out and sold on to some collector, i would accept the fact that as a work on the street it will become added to / tagged / defaced somewhat etc., it would however be good if that happened over the natural course of its life rather than as we have seen people going all out to deface work wholesale just because its Banksy, i get the fact they want / need internet fame etc. or in some cases possibly jealousy plays a part?, but it would be good if they let people see it before they did something, and even then it would be even better if they added to it or even worked alongside it?.
I know nothing, was thoughts thats all.
So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else. Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. For myself, rather than it being covered in plexi and treated like some kind of shrine, or even worse covered by steel shutters to be later cut out and sold on to some collector, i would accept the fact that as a work on the street it will become added to / tagged / defaced somewhat etc., it would however be good if that happened over the natural course of its life rather than as we have seen people going all out to deface work wholesale just because its Banksy, i get the fact they want / need internet fame etc. or in some cases possibly jealousy plays a part?, but it would be good if they let people see it before they did something, and even then it would be even better if they added to it or even worked alongside it?. I know nothing, was thoughts thats all.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 22:29:02 GMT 1, That's not what Shaun the sheep ,said. he promised he wouldnt bleet! guess he pulled the wool over my eyes then!.
That's not what Shaun the sheep ,said. he promised he wouldnt bleet! guess he pulled the wool over my eyes then!.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 21, 2013 22:31:20 GMT 1, Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. He's hit all 5 boroughs. Staten Island only piece that's not graffiti - however he is terming his project "An Artists Residency" so the point would be this is not strictly a graffiti project.
Historically the term "All City" came from the tagging of subway cars and thus their ability to move the art/tags via the subway cars through the various boroughs...so this would mean the truck or Ronald would count...but again from the beginning it was mentioned this month long project would include performance art, video and installations. Graffiti one part. This project is more Urban/Street Art for lack of a better phrase.
Urban Art > Graffiti > Tagging > Omar
Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. He's hit all 5 boroughs. Staten Island only piece that's not graffiti - however he is terming his project "An Artists Residency" so the point would be this is not strictly a graffiti project. Historically the term "All City" came from the tagging of subway cars and thus their ability to move the art/tags via the subway cars through the various boroughs...so this would mean the truck or Ronald would count...but again from the beginning it was mentioned this month long project would include performance art, video and installations. Graffiti one part. This project is more Urban/Street Art for lack of a better phrase. Urban Art > Graffiti > Tagging > Omar
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by kbfrombk on Oct 21, 2013 22:31:37 GMT 1, So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else. Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. For myself, rather than it being covered in plexi and treated like some kind of shrine, or even worse covered by steel shutters to be later cut out and sold on to some collector, i would accept the fact that as a work on the street it will become added to / tagged / defaced somewhat etc., it would however be good if that happened over the natural course of its life rather than as we have seen people going all out to deface work wholesale just because its Banksy, i get the fact they want / need internet fame etc. or in some cases possibly jealousy plays a part?, but it would be good if they let people see it before they did something, and even then it would be even better if they added to it or even worked alongside it?. I know nothing, was thoughts thats all. YEah I feel weird about the whole metal gates and plexi window thing. I don't think creating shrines and museum viewing installations are really what Banksy is about... the spontaneity, mystique, and temporary nature of it being outside and vulnerable... aren't those the things that are so crucial to Banksy stuff?
As wizzt sagaciously says, I too am not an expert by even the craziest stretch of imaginatin. just opining.
So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else. Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. For myself, rather than it being covered in plexi and treated like some kind of shrine, or even worse covered by steel shutters to be later cut out and sold on to some collector, i would accept the fact that as a work on the street it will become added to / tagged / defaced somewhat etc., it would however be good if that happened over the natural course of its life rather than as we have seen people going all out to deface work wholesale just because its Banksy, i get the fact they want / need internet fame etc. or in some cases possibly jealousy plays a part?, but it would be good if they let people see it before they did something, and even then it would be even better if they added to it or even worked alongside it?. I know nothing, was thoughts thats all. YEah I feel weird about the whole metal gates and plexi window thing. I don't think creating shrines and museum viewing installations are really what Banksy is about... the spontaneity, mystique, and temporary nature of it being outside and vulnerable... aren't those the things that are so crucial to Banksy stuff? As wizzt sagaciously says, I too am not an expert by even the craziest stretch of imaginatin. just opining.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 22:39:56 GMT 1, Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. He's hit all 5 boroughs. Staten Island only piece that's not graffiti - however he is terming his project "An Artists Residency" so the point would be this is not strictly a graffiti project. Historically the term "All City" came from the tagging of subway cars and thus their ability to move the art/tags via the subway cars through the various boroughs...so this would mean the truck or Ronald would count...but again from the beginning it was mentioned this month long project would include performance art, video and installations. Graffiti one part. This project is more Urban/Street Art for lack of a better phrase. Urban Art > Graffiti > Tagging > Omar Hopefully the performance art wont include him expressing himself through contemporary dance?.
ps. I think OMAR is going to be famous for quite a while to be honest!
Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. He's hit all 5 boroughs. Staten Island only piece that's not graffiti - however he is terming his project "An Artists Residency" so the point would be this is not strictly a graffiti project. Historically the term "All City" came from the tagging of subway cars and thus their ability to move the art/tags via the subway cars through the various boroughs...so this would mean the truck or Ronald would count...but again from the beginning it was mentioned this month long project would include performance art, video and installations. Graffiti one part. This project is more Urban/Street Art for lack of a better phrase. Urban Art > Graffiti > Tagging > Omar Hopefully the performance art wont include him expressing himself through contemporary dance?. ps. I think OMAR is going to be famous for quite a while to be honest!
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Agent Provocateur on Oct 21, 2013 22:41:30 GMT 1, Json, thanks for correcting my link, pretty new to this digital socialising!
Imo no plexiclass, shutters, curtains or angle grinders... let the work live and die on the streets.
Now all I hav to do is find money for me cab fair to the airport tomorrow morning, forgot to notify the bankers I was going away so can't withdraw anything, big doh!!!
AP's NY field trip nearly over.
Json, thanks for correcting my link, pretty new to this digital socialising!
Imo no plexiclass, shutters, curtains or angle grinders... let the work live and die on the streets.
Now all I hav to do is find money for me cab fair to the airport tomorrow morning, forgot to notify the bankers I was going away so can't withdraw anything, big doh!!!
AP's NY field trip nearly over.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by nrgball on Oct 21, 2013 22:47:10 GMT 1, So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else. Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. I'm not really interested in the plexiglass thing, especially when it isn't going to deter NYC writers from going over plexi or bashing it. I'm fine with the shine as many 9-11 offerings end up like that.
I think that I do like the plexi in one major respect. It is representative of New Yorkers as a whole taking notice to an artistic/expressive culture that has existed around them for a few decades. I think that they will appreciate the value of this subculture in different ways going forward.
So are you guys happy the Plexi is going up, unhappy you would rather it be tagged? Im confused one day you guys want one thing the next something else. Any writers besides me on here know if Banksy has gone All City yet in the graffiti term of it, Ive looked at the map he has covered alot of territory for sure, just wondering if Banksy has done what most graffiti artists aspire to do in NY and many have not accomplished it. One piece in each city wouldnt necessarily count as all city either, just asking to see if he touched all parts yet. I'm not really interested in the plexiglass thing, especially when it isn't going to deter NYC writers from going over plexi or bashing it. I'm fine with the shine as many 9-11 offerings end up like that. I think that I do like the plexi in one major respect. It is representative of New Yorkers as a whole taking notice to an artistic/expressive culture that has existed around them for a few decades. I think that they will appreciate the value of this subculture in different ways going forward.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Dr Plip on Oct 21, 2013 22:52:26 GMT 1, Json, thanks for correcting my link, pretty new to this digital socialising! Imo no plexiclass, shutters, curtains or angle grinders... let the work live and die on the streets. Now all I hav to do is find money for me cab fair to the airport tomorrow morning, forgot to notify the bankers I was going away so can't withdraw anything, big doh!!! AP's NY field trip nearly over. Oh no! Did they lock your card? I had that when I forgot to let them know I was abroad. They can unlock it over the phone though.
Json, thanks for correcting my link, pretty new to this digital socialising! Imo no plexiclass, shutters, curtains or angle grinders... let the work live and die on the streets. Now all I hav to do is find money for me cab fair to the airport tomorrow morning, forgot to notify the bankers I was going away so can't withdraw anything, big doh!!! AP's NY field trip nearly over. Oh no! Did they lock your card? I had that when I forgot to let them know I was abroad. They can unlock it over the phone though.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 21, 2013 22:53:24 GMT 1, Hopefully the performance art wont include him expressing himself through contemporary dance?. ps. I think OMAR is going to be famous for quite a while to be honest! If he did express himself through contemporary dance I'm sure it would be great...ha ha...
OMAR might live on, urban slang maybe, such as:
That's so Omar of you!
Last night I pulled a real Omar!
I smell an Omar in this crowd....
Hopefully the performance art wont include him expressing himself through contemporary dance?. ps. I think OMAR is going to be famous for quite a while to be honest! If he did express himself through contemporary dance I'm sure it would be great...ha ha... OMAR might live on, urban slang maybe, such as: That's so Omar of you!
Last night I pulled a real Omar!
I smell an Omar in this crowd....
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 21, 2013 22:53:48 GMT 1, I'm not really interested in the plexiglass thing, especially when it isn't going to deter NYC writers from going over plexi or bashing it. I'm fine with the shine as many 9-11 offerings end up like that. I think that I do like the plexi in one major respect. It is representative of New Yorkers as a whole taking notice to an artistic/expressive culture that has existed around them for a few decades. I think that they will appreciate the value of this subculture in different ways going forward. I dont want to be too negative but I doubt it is representative of NYers taking notice or looking at street art any differently. The city is the Mecca and its been around for decades. The plexi and Respect aspect and this is my "OPINION" is from Money, onlookers telling the property owners that this is could be worth hundereds of thousands and so forth. The money aspect of it is more representative of the Nyers take on it than any respect for the artform and such. Look what story travelled fastest and farthest through the media, it was the stand and the fact that people could have hit the lottery so to say. The angle was always about the money in that respect not about the art or the artist.
I'm not really interested in the plexiglass thing, especially when it isn't going to deter NYC writers from going over plexi or bashing it. I'm fine with the shine as many 9-11 offerings end up like that. I think that I do like the plexi in one major respect. It is representative of New Yorkers as a whole taking notice to an artistic/expressive culture that has existed around them for a few decades. I think that they will appreciate the value of this subculture in different ways going forward. I dont want to be too negative but I doubt it is representative of NYers taking notice or looking at street art any differently. The city is the Mecca and its been around for decades. The plexi and Respect aspect and this is my "OPINION" is from Money, onlookers telling the property owners that this is could be worth hundereds of thousands and so forth. The money aspect of it is more representative of the Nyers take on it than any respect for the artform and such. Look what story travelled fastest and farthest through the media, it was the stand and the fact that people could have hit the lottery so to say. The angle was always about the money in that respect not about the art or the artist.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 22:58:50 GMT 1, Json, thanks for correcting my link, pretty new to this digital socialising! Imo no plexiclass, shutters, curtains or angle grinders... let the work live and die on the streets. Now all I hav to do is find money for me cab fair to the airport tomorrow morning, forgot to notify the bankers I was going away so can't withdraw anything, big doh!!! AP's NY field trip nearly over. Dont forget the Dove, if she plays up smack her over the head with one of her pigeons.
Tramp woman!.
Json, thanks for correcting my link, pretty new to this digital socialising! Imo no plexiclass, shutters, curtains or angle grinders... let the work live and die on the streets. Now all I hav to do is find money for me cab fair to the airport tomorrow morning, forgot to notify the bankers I was going away so can't withdraw anything, big doh!!! AP's NY field trip nearly over. Dont forget the Dove, if she plays up smack her over the head with one of her pigeons. Tramp woman!.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by graffuturism on Oct 21, 2013 22:59:43 GMT 1, I think the biggest Public not us or real art people's take on this whole thing has been about the dollar signs associated with the work. I think once someone walking buy or on instagram first see a banksy and someone tells them this piece is worth a hundred thousand dollars it gets stuck on there head so to say. They see it has a 100 thousand dollars versus a actual work of art. Same goes now for musuem pieces and such they dont go to see the art they go to see a painting worth 50 million dollars. I know Im generalizing, but this aspect stands out to me during the media coverage and the new onlookers so to speak. Not many really care about the artwork IMO like we might, to them its another story about Money.
I think the biggest Public not us or real art people's take on this whole thing has been about the dollar signs associated with the work. I think once someone walking buy or on instagram first see a banksy and someone tells them this piece is worth a hundred thousand dollars it gets stuck on there head so to say. They see it has a 100 thousand dollars versus a actual work of art. Same goes now for musuem pieces and such they dont go to see the art they go to see a painting worth 50 million dollars. I know Im generalizing, but this aspect stands out to me during the media coverage and the new onlookers so to speak. Not many really care about the artwork IMO like we might, to them its another story about Money.
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Hairbland
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Hairbland on Oct 21, 2013 23:16:34 GMT 1, I think that I do like the plexi in one major respect. It is representative of New Yorkers as a whole taking notice to an artistic/expressive culture that has existed around them for a few decades. I think that they will appreciate the value of this subculture in different ways going forward. I dont want to be too negative but I doubt it is representative of NYers taking notice or looking at street art any differently. The city is the Mecca and its been around for decades. The plexi and Respect aspect and this is my "OPINION" is from Money, onlookers telling the property owners that this is could be worth hundereds of thousands and so forth. The money aspect of it is more representative of the Nyers take on it than any respect for the artform and such. Look what story travelled fastest and farthest through the media, it was the stand and the fact that people could have hit the lottery so to say. The angle was always about the money in that respect not about the art or the artist. NYers have known their street art for at least 40 years now (Taki 183, profiled in NY Times in 1971). I saw Futura "open" for The Clash at Bonds. Most historical references have graffiti's origin in Philadelphia. Some NYers understand its history (much like any art history), some never got it and consider it vandalism.
By mid-1986 the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) and the NYCTA were winning their "war on graffiti," with the last graffitied train removed from service in 1989. As the population of artists lowered so did the violence associated with graffiti crews and "bombing." However, teenagers from inner London and other European cities with family and other links to New York City had by this time taken up some of the traditions of subway Graffiti and exported them home, although New York City writers like Brim, Bio, and Futura had themselves played a significant role in establishing such links when they visited London in the early-to-mid-80s and 'put up pieces' on or near the western ends of the Metropolitan line, outside of London. Almost as significantly, just when subway graffiti was on the decline in New York City, some British teenagers who had spent time with family in Queens and the Bronx returned to London with a "mission" to americanize the London Underground Limited through painting New York City-style graffiti on trains. These small groups of London "train writers" adopted many of the styles and lifestyles of their New York City forebears, painting graffiti train pieces and in general 'bombing' the system, but favoring only a few selected underground lines seen as most suitable for train graffiti.
At the same time, graffiti has began to enter the mainstream. Much controversy arose on whether graffiti should be considered an actual form of art. Since the 1980s, museums and art galleries started treating graffiti seriously. Many graffiti artists had taken to displaying their works in galleries and owning their own studios. This practice started in the early 1980s with artists such as Jean-Michel Basquiat, who started out tagging locations with his signature SAMO (Same Old s**t), and Keith Haring, who was also able to take his art into studio spaces. In some cases, graffiti artists had achieved such elaborate graffiti (especially those done in memory of a deceased person) on storefront gates that shopkeepers have hesitated to cover them up.
But the plexi? Yeah, that's all about the money. Particularly after the child labor image was cut out for auction, making news everywhere. The "Hammer Boy" building is owned by the Zabars people, it was their instructions to preserve it.
I think that I do like the plexi in one major respect. It is representative of New Yorkers as a whole taking notice to an artistic/expressive culture that has existed around them for a few decades. I think that they will appreciate the value of this subculture in different ways going forward. I dont want to be too negative but I doubt it is representative of NYers taking notice or looking at street art any differently. The city is the Mecca and its been around for decades. The plexi and Respect aspect and this is my "OPINION" is from Money, onlookers telling the property owners that this is could be worth hundereds of thousands and so forth. The money aspect of it is more representative of the Nyers take on it than any respect for the artform and such. Look what story travelled fastest and farthest through the media, it was the stand and the fact that people could have hit the lottery so to say. The angle was always about the money in that respect not about the art or the artist. NYers have known their street art for at least 40 years now (Taki 183, profiled in NY Times in 1971). I saw Futura "open" for The Clash at Bonds. Most historical references have graffiti's origin in Philadelphia. Some NYers understand its history (much like any art history), some never got it and consider it vandalism. By mid-1986 the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) and the NYCTA were winning their "war on graffiti," with the last graffitied train removed from service in 1989. As the population of artists lowered so did the violence associated with graffiti crews and "bombing." However, teenagers from inner London and other European cities with family and other links to New York City had by this time taken up some of the traditions of subway Graffiti and exported them home, although New York City writers like Brim, Bio, and Futura had themselves played a significant role in establishing such links when they visited London in the early-to-mid-80s and 'put up pieces' on or near the western ends of the Metropolitan line, outside of London. Almost as significantly, just when subway graffiti was on the decline in New York City, some British teenagers who had spent time with family in Queens and the Bronx returned to London with a "mission" to americanize the London Underground Limited through painting New York City-style graffiti on trains. These small groups of London "train writers" adopted many of the styles and lifestyles of their New York City forebears, painting graffiti train pieces and in general 'bombing' the system, but favoring only a few selected underground lines seen as most suitable for train graffiti. At the same time, graffiti has began to enter the mainstream. Much controversy arose on whether graffiti should be considered an actual form of art. Since the 1980s, museums and art galleries started treating graffiti seriously. Many graffiti artists had taken to displaying their works in galleries and owning their own studios. This practice started in the early 1980s with artists such as Jean-Michel Basquiat, who started out tagging locations with his signature SAMO (Same Old s**t), and Keith Haring, who was also able to take his art into studio spaces. In some cases, graffiti artists had achieved such elaborate graffiti (especially those done in memory of a deceased person) on storefront gates that shopkeepers have hesitated to cover them up. But the plexi? Yeah, that's all about the money. Particularly after the child labor image was cut out for auction, making news everywhere. The "Hammer Boy" building is owned by the Zabars people, it was their instructions to preserve it.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 23:29:58 GMT 1, I have a feeling that were in for a good rest of this residency,maybe some jokes too?, dont know why, just a feeling.
I have a feeling that were in for a good rest of this residency,maybe some jokes too?, dont know why, just a feeling.
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Fะฏ on Oct 21, 2013 23:32:12 GMT 1, Is the anty bum still at large?
Is the anty bum still at large?
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Agent Provocateur on Oct 21, 2013 23:48:16 GMT 1, Yeah plip, last day here and first time I tried to use a card, wot an idiot!
Got the list wizzmeister, but only got one night to tick everything off!!!
Just went slap happy tho... will instafacetwit a couple photos later.
Yeah plip, last day here and first time I tried to use a card, wot an idiot!
Got the list wizzmeister, but only got one night to tick everything off!!!
Just went slap happy tho... will instafacetwit a couple photos later.
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January 1970
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 23:48:54 GMT 1, Is the anty bum still at large? Yes, the large Anty bum is still large and Anty. I thought quite hard about that one and eventually came up with the following conclusion "WTF was all that about then?".
Is the anty bum still at large? Yes, the large Anty bum is still large and Anty. I thought quite hard about that one and eventually came up with the following conclusion "WTF was all that about then?".
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Banksy - Better Out Than In - New York - BOTI, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 23:50:15 GMT 1, A couple of things 'we're' not the Borg and don't speak with one voice, secondly, do the trucks driving around various boroughs mean he's gone all city already? Yes but there is usually a consensus even with the fringe against. I wouldnt count the trucks or Ronald moving after the fact. I would count the initial placement of the trucks and Ronald. Even though technically yes they could be counted but that would be too easy. I want to see if physically he has accomplished it yet. Ill send a text to a friend today see what he thinks he is has come close and has been working on it for the last 5 years yet he has literally thousands of marks in the streets compared to one piece yet these are 2 different animals and just curious.
Thinking on I really don't think 'all City' was ever a point other than in a playful manner. And it seems the consensus at the mo is against plexi and shutters etc.
Not being rude to those who disagree but generally the pro movement are those who've not been around the scene too much, although I did have a chuckle at the plexi showing how schooled ny'ers are in appreciation of art he he ... I think the property owners words nearly always prove the exact opposite ...
Btw the way I love the latest piece, sums up banksy, a lot of the others and a fair few of his followers !!!
A couple of things 'we're' not the Borg and don't speak with one voice, secondly, do the trucks driving around various boroughs mean he's gone all city already? Yes but there is usually a consensus even with the fringe against. I wouldnt count the trucks or Ronald moving after the fact. I would count the initial placement of the trucks and Ronald. Even though technically yes they could be counted but that would be too easy. I want to see if physically he has accomplished it yet. Ill send a text to a friend today see what he thinks he is has come close and has been working on it for the last 5 years yet he has literally thousands of marks in the streets compared to one piece yet these are 2 different animals and just curious. Thinking on I really don't think 'all City' was ever a point other than in a playful manner. And it seems the consensus at the mo is against plexi and shutters etc. Not being rude to those who disagree but generally the pro movement are those who've not been around the scene too much, although I did have a chuckle at the plexi showing how schooled ny'ers are in appreciation of art he he ... I think the property owners words nearly always prove the exact opposite ... Btw the way I love the latest piece, sums up banksy, a lot of the others and a fair few of his followers !!!
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