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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Howard Johnson on May 18, 2016 20:06:32 GMT 1, Congrats to everyone that scored. Don't care for the image myself but then again I just dropped huge money on some abstract snoopy illustrations so I fully embrace the "to each there own" principle. For those who are complaining about the price, be happy for the artists who can command these prices. Its good for urban art overall, and in the smallest of ways it ups the cache of each of our collections.
Regarding the price, its kind of funny that people (myself included on occasion) complain about the price of artwork like artists should do us a favor and allow it to be accessible. You'd never complain about not being able to afford a BMW like the company has some sort of obligation to the consumer to make affordable products. Art is a luxury item. Only the rich will be able to afford blue chip artwork. Thats a simple principle we all seem to forget in this day and age of endless print releases.
Congrats to everyone that scored. Don't care for the image myself but then again I just dropped huge money on some abstract snoopy illustrations so I fully embrace the "to each there own" principle. For those who are complaining about the price, be happy for the artists who can command these prices. Its good for urban art overall, and in the smallest of ways it ups the cache of each of our collections.
Regarding the price, its kind of funny that people (myself included on occasion) complain about the price of artwork like artists should do us a favor and allow it to be accessible. You'd never complain about not being able to afford a BMW like the company has some sort of obligation to the consumer to make affordable products. Art is a luxury item. Only the rich will be able to afford blue chip artwork. Thats a simple principle we all seem to forget in this day and age of endless print releases.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 20:08:02 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese.
Thanks for clearing that up. you beat me to the post. Its always someone in the threads
that brings bad energy to peaceful thread.
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese. Thanks for clearing that up. you beat me to the post. Its always someone in the threads that brings bad energy to peaceful thread. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Steph Rat Catcher on May 18, 2016 20:13:56 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. yeah buy Royston a roman Villa in WSM with view on the sea...
i was thinking a nose hair trimmer!
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. yeah buy Royston a roman Villa in WSM with view on the sea... i was thinking a nose hair trimmer! |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by mla on May 18, 2016 20:19:01 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work.
For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product.
If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression.
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by BKBOI on May 18, 2016 20:24:03 GMT 1, Looks like this release made sure that people who wanted one got one. No movement at all on Ebay. Congratulations on those that bought to frame. You will not regret picking up a print made in Idem Paris.
Looks like this release made sure that people who wanted one got one. No movement at all on Ebay. Congratulations on those that bought to frame. You will not regret picking up a print made in Idem Paris.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by sin on May 18, 2016 20:26:25 GMT 1, its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression.
It may be situational bias, but the people I am close with, like me, buy for a different reason. Art is not an investment. If I was able to make back 1/2 of what I spent, but enjoyed the work while I had it, then thats more than I can hope for. I understand that other people see art as an investment, but its just never seemed enjoyable to me from that lens. I collect art because I love it. I am privileged to be able to do it and my only dream is to take all this work, build a museum around it and let other people enjoy these things, and learn about the movement that I love. If Im not going to sell it, why does the price ever really matter.
Cost of the work / number of days I reasonably have left on the planet / was it worth x to see it every day... then lets do it.
Once it gets up over $2K+ I start to add other variables, and I have a list of wants, but its never... well I believe the value will grow by x over the next period of time so ill buy it. Meh, seems shallow considering how important art is to me.
its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. It may be situational bias, but the people I am close with, like me, buy for a different reason. Art is not an investment. If I was able to make back 1/2 of what I spent, but enjoyed the work while I had it, then thats more than I can hope for. I understand that other people see art as an investment, but its just never seemed enjoyable to me from that lens. I collect art because I love it. I am privileged to be able to do it and my only dream is to take all this work, build a museum around it and let other people enjoy these things, and learn about the movement that I love. If Im not going to sell it, why does the price ever really matter. Cost of the work / number of days I reasonably have left on the planet / was it worth x to see it every day... then lets do it. Once it gets up over $2K+ I start to add other variables, and I have a list of wants, but its never... well I believe the value will grow by x over the next period of time so ill buy it. Meh, seems shallow considering how important art is to me. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Coach on May 18, 2016 20:28:52 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work.
Well said Tommy.
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. Well said Tommy. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Coach on May 18, 2016 20:29:49 GMT 1, back to art... found this picture I took from their show in Milano in 2010 if I remember right...
thats good !
I agree mate. That's a cracker.
back to art... found this picture I took from their show in Milano in 2010 if I remember right...
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Karl Read on May 18, 2016 20:32:45 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese.
Os Gemeos is pronounced "Ows jemios" (that's actually hard to spell out.) 
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese. Yes, means "The Twins" in Portuguese. Os Gemeos is pronounced "Ows jemios" (that's actually hard to spell out.) |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 20:37:45 GMT 1, its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression.
then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do
other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because
money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it.
a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint.
its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by mla on May 18, 2016 20:45:14 GMT 1, I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint.
That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur.
I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint. I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Wearology on May 18, 2016 20:45:47 GMT 1, Has anyone else received an e-mail saying that they are getting refunded and that the print was over sold? Am I actually the only person on the forum to get dikked over by 99prints ?
This may send my anger meter into uberspace !!!!
Has anyone else received an e-mail saying that they are getting refunded and that the print was over sold? Am I actually the only person on the forum to get dikked over by 99prints ?
This may send my anger meter into uberspace !!!!
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by mla on May 18, 2016 20:48:01 GMT 1, Wearology, you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle.
Wearology, you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by BKBOI on May 18, 2016 20:49:38 GMT 1, Wearology , you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle.
but doesn't that happen only when the dollar gets stronger?
Wearology , you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle. but doesn't that happen only when the dollar gets stronger? |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Coach on May 18, 2016 20:51:06 GMT 1, Has anyone else received an e-mail saying that they are getting refunded and that the print was over sold? Am I actually the only person on the forum to get dikked over by 99prints ? This may send my anger meter into uberspace !!!!
Really sorry to hear this Wear.
Has anyone else received an e-mail saying that they are getting refunded and that the print was over sold? Am I actually the only person on the forum to get dikked over by 99prints ? This may send my anger meter into uberspace !!!! Really sorry to hear this Wear. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by mla on May 18, 2016 20:51:08 GMT 1, Wearology , you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle. but doesn't that happen only when the dollar gets stronger?
Wearology , you are probably going to get boned on foreign exchange too. You'll be net negative after the refund. Have not heard of any other refunds in my circle. but doesn't that happen only when the dollar gets stronger? Not necessarily. I've had the processor take the F/X spread twice; once going in, once going out. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by RoboJ on May 18, 2016 20:51:09 GMT 1, I really like the piece, shame it's out of my price but I really like their work. I've been to Pryce Lees studio a few times and he has lots of their originals. Absolutely love them but just not the price for everyday art appreciaters.
I really like the piece, shame it's out of my price but I really like their work. I've been to Pryce Lees studio a few times and he has lots of their originals. Absolutely love them but just not the price for everyday art appreciaters.
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 20:58:54 GMT 1, are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint. I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur.
are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint. I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by FЯ on May 18, 2016 21:04:27 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Makes me laugh every time someone tries to flog a googley eyed fish as art so glad we can amuse each other.
no sense of humour around here these days.
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Makes me laugh every time someone tries to flog a googley eyed fish as art so glad we can amuse each other. Yeah they were pretty funny. Can assure you nothing was flogged! no sense of humour around here these days. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by RoboJ on May 18, 2016 21:05:09 GMT 1, I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work.
Oh nice to see a humble artist. Lol. I'm not knocking you. If your a professional artist, making your artwork a financial success is pretty fundamental. Have to think about paying the mortgage some how.
I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. Oh nice to see a humble artist. Lol. I'm not knocking you. If your a professional artist, making your artwork a financial success is pretty fundamental. Have to think about paying the mortgage some how. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by mla on May 18, 2016 21:05:35 GMT 1, I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work.
I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur. Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 21:14:26 GMT 1, Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. Oh nice to see a humble artist. Lol. I'm not knocking you. If your a professional artist, making your artwork a financial success is pretty fundamental. Have to think about paying the mortgage some how.
Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. Oh nice to see a humble artist. Lol. I'm not knocking you. If your a professional artist, making your artwork a financial success is pretty fundamental. Have to think about paying the mortgage some how. money does not make you a professional artist. your work does and how you carry yourself as a person. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by mla on May 18, 2016 21:18:04 GMT 1, I disagree. A professional is one who can make a living from their craft.
Say I fancied myself as an all star footballer playing in my backyard. Does that make me a professional footballer?
I disagree. A professional is one who can make a living from their craft.
Say I fancied myself as an all star footballer playing in my backyard. Does that make me a professional footballer?
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by RoboJ on May 18, 2016 21:22:13 GMT 1, Back on track...
Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe?
Back on track...
Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe?
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by The Origin on May 18, 2016 21:31:41 GMT 1, Back on track... Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe?
Back on track... Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe? Here is a picture I took in Milan a couple of weeks ago....huge and amazing in person. Have they painted anything in the uk? |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 21:32:19 GMT 1, I disagree. A professional is one who can make a living from their craft. Say I fancied myself as an all star footballer playing in my backyard. Does that make me a professional footballer?
yes....... but only in your backyard
I disagree. A professional is one who can make a living from their craft. Say I fancied myself as an all star footballer playing in my backyard. Does that make me a professional footballer? yes....... but only in your backyard |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 21:33:53 GMT 1, Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel.
Look at my artwork Im far from and amateur and just as good if not better than any print from any artist you may have on your wall im just saying. and became a professional when i sold my first piece. the difference between me and a lot of these other artist is Im not motivated by money nor is my work. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by RoboJ on May 18, 2016 21:37:23 GMT 1, Back on track... Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe? Here is a picture I took in Milan a couple of weeks ago....huge and amazing in person. Have they painted anything in the uk?
Very nice! I have a trip to the Monza F1 race so I'll make sure I take a look!
Back on track... Would love to see their street art. I'm guessing there isn't much in Europe? Here is a picture I took in Milan a couple of weeks ago....huge and amazing in person. Have they painted anything in the uk? Very nice! I have a trip to the Monza F1 race so I'll make sure I take a look! |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by mla on May 18, 2016 21:39:26 GMT 1, We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale. |
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OS Gemeos 🇧🇷 São Paulo Graffiti • Brazil Street Art, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 21:48:53 GMT 1, "That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale.
"That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur"
Van Gogh, Vermeer, Monet, Gauguin..never sold, died in poverty. Amateurs one and all?. I think this indoctrinated way of seeing the world through economics is the biggest challenge of our age, and should be the last thing considered when making or viewing art, listening to music, watching a play or reading a novel. I never said amateur artists are inherently bad (although many are). There is plenty of amateur work that is brilliant that will never be appreciated at all on a grand scale. From my experience, the "real" artists, the ones that truly dig deep to say something meaningful about themselves, the world and the topics they explore, rarely if ever, consider or assign monetary value to their work. Others generally do this, gallerists, collectors etc, but rarely if ever the artist. A lot of Urban artists on the other hand... |
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