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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Coach on Mar 25, 2014 10:59:02 GMT 1, Aren't the ends that the charity has gotten their legal team to investigate a fraudulent donation? I think you're confusing the 'end' for you with the 'end' of the situation that involves many more people. But hey, it must get lonely up there. If you needed this to help you realize that there's a lot more important things than a banksy t-shirt...well...i'm glad you got there in the end. yh there's still time for you too mate  surely if people had just got their refunds that weren't happy, everyone that wanted to stick it out kept their order and the donation was made with no one pissing and moaning to the charity, then their legal team wouldn't be looking into it? At the end of the day that's the point people care more about 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' then actually 35,000 went to an awesome charity. like I said before I am not of the assumption bne pocketed dough for himself. If you don't agree with me obviously that's all good, it's really not like I have all the answers I just am doing what I want to do, so should everyone else.
I tend to agree with you born.
Aren't the ends that the charity has gotten their legal team to investigate a fraudulent donation? I think you're confusing the 'end' for you with the 'end' of the situation that involves many more people. But hey, it must get lonely up there. If you needed this to help you realize that there's a lot more important things than a banksy t-shirt...well...i'm glad you got there in the end. yh there's still time for you too mate surely if people had just got their refunds that weren't happy, everyone that wanted to stick it out kept their order and the donation was made with no one pissing and moaning to the charity, then their legal team wouldn't be looking into it? At the end of the day that's the point people care more about 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' then actually 35,000 went to an awesome charity. like I said before I am not of the assumption bne pocketed dough for himself. If you don't agree with me obviously that's all good, it's really not like I have all the answers I just am doing what I want to do, so should everyone else. I tend to agree with you born. |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Wattsie on Mar 25, 2014 11:00:35 GMT 1, i think a lot of people are angrier than they should - cuz it's like winning a lottery (an ed 500 banksy for only $60!!!) then only to realise it's not. bummer leads to anger and anger leads to the dark side... do consider chilling... and not be too hard on BNE - a pretty righteous street artist. Speaking for myself, I don't think that is right. I missed out on the 3 t-shirts the week before (would have loved the invader) and thought that this would be cool. I wouldn't be framing it, I'd be wearing it. It's not a print, it's a t-shirt so it's nothing like a print. If you want a t-shirt he's released previously, you can find them if you look hard enough and they are not that expensive.
BNE made a mistake, we all do. Where he went wrong was instead of owning up to it, he started to spin lies and bullshiiiit. That's why people are pissed and rightly so.
i think a lot of people are angrier than they should - cuz it's like winning a lottery (an ed 500 banksy for only $60!!!) then only to realise it's not. bummer leads to anger and anger leads to the dark side... do consider chilling... and not be too hard on BNE - a pretty righteous street artist. Speaking for myself, I don't think that is right. I missed out on the 3 t-shirts the week before (would have loved the invader) and thought that this would be cool. I wouldn't be framing it, I'd be wearing it. It's not a print, it's a t-shirt so it's nothing like a print. If you want a t-shirt he's released previously, you can find them if you look hard enough and they are not that expensive.
BNE made a mistake, we all do. Where he went wrong was instead of owning up to it, he started to spin lies and bullshiiiit. That's why people are pissed and rightly so.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by spirit on Mar 25, 2014 11:04:00 GMT 1, I actually feel for BNE - He's naive and has fkd up big time but I think his heart is in the right place. I'd love to see the coms between BNE and the owner of the Banksy Facebook page - I suspect that person has a lot to answer for... Now its clear that Banksy never agreed to do this...He would really save the day for everyone - BNE, the charity, the people who bought t-shirts - and come out looking better than ever if he decided to do it after all. Hey Spirit, you good m8?. Problem for me with this is if Banksy were to do the t-shirt, he would be setting a precedent and potentially leaving himself open for similar things to happen. If I were BNE I would (this is serious), use the Banksy quote "Banksy has not made any t-shirts for a water charity". If I had bought a shirt I would love that. I haven't and wouldn't without seeing an image. Not at $80.
You're right that the problem with this is the precedent thing... I did consider that but still think he could do it while making clear... never again.
But using that quote is actually a much better solution!.
Ties in perfectly with the back cover of Wall and Piece...
"There's no way you're going to get a quote from us to use on your book cover"
Metropolitan Police spokesman
He would be getting his Banksy collaboration after all. And its appeared on Banksy's website so everyone knows its genuine.
I didn't buy one either, mainly cos I forgot about it but even if I'd checked the site the blank shirts would have put me off too. And I'm getting a bit old for t-shirts tbh...
EDit: Thinking about it more... I wouldn't be surprised if by putting that quote on his site, Banksy has intentionally gifted it to him... he got his collab, he just needs to realise it.
I actually feel for BNE - He's naive and has fkd up big time but I think his heart is in the right place. I'd love to see the coms between BNE and the owner of the Banksy Facebook page - I suspect that person has a lot to answer for... Now its clear that Banksy never agreed to do this...He would really save the day for everyone - BNE, the charity, the people who bought t-shirts - and come out looking better than ever if he decided to do it after all. Hey Spirit, you good m8?. Problem for me with this is if Banksy were to do the t-shirt, he would be setting a precedent and potentially leaving himself open for similar things to happen. If I were BNE I would (this is serious), use the Banksy quote "Banksy has not made any t-shirts for a water charity". If I had bought a shirt I would love that. I haven't and wouldn't without seeing an image. Not at $80. Im OK thanks slammer - just getting over a nasty dose of man flu. You well? You're right that the problem with this is the precedent thing... I did consider that but still think he could do it while making clear... never again. But using that quote is actually a much better solution!. Ties in perfectly with the back cover of Wall and Piece... "There's no way you're going to get a quote from us to use on your book cover" Metropolitan Police spokesman He would be getting his Banksy collaboration after all. And its appeared on Banksy's website so everyone knows its genuine. I didn't buy one either, mainly cos I forgot about it but even if I'd checked the site the blank shirts would have put me off too. And I'm getting a bit old for t-shirts tbh... EDit: Thinking about it more... I wouldn't be surprised if by putting that quote on his site, Banksy has intentionally gifted it to him... he got his collab, he just needs to realise it. |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by kel on Mar 25, 2014 11:20:04 GMT 1, What has been highlighted through all of this is the amount of people that will pay good money for anything that has Banksy on it. $80 for a t-shirt that nobody knew what the design was and people were just buying any size. Seems a lot of people were getting carried along in the wave of investment rather than what the whole thing was supposed to be about.
The anger that is coming from some people over this is now becoming embarrassing.
So lets look at who the winners and losers are in all this. Well nobody wins. Money hasn't been raised to aid those that need clean drinking water. And for some which seems more important. They didn't get there precious $80 t-shirt all because he had something to do with Banksy but at least they will get their money back.
Nice to see some on here and Instagram getting their priorities right.
What has been highlighted through all of this is the amount of people that will pay good money for anything that has Banksy on it. $80 for a t-shirt that nobody knew what the design was and people were just buying any size. Seems a lot of people were getting carried along in the wave of investment rather than what the whole thing was supposed to be about.
The anger that is coming from some people over this is now becoming embarrassing.
So lets look at who the winners and losers are in all this. Well nobody wins. Money hasn't been raised to aid those that need clean drinking water. And for some which seems more important. They didn't get there precious $80 t-shirt all because he had something to do with Banksy but at least they will get their money back.
Nice to see some on here and Instagram getting their priorities right.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Mar 25, 2014 11:29:27 GMT 1, The one thing that annoyed me most about this was the fact that he tried to wriggle out of this mess by telling porky pies after it all backfired. He should have come clean straight away and refunded all without the punters having the hassle of claiming via Paypal.
When is he going to tell us how many Tees were sold? My guess would be nearer to 5000 than 500, maybe more.
Got my refund through this morning, good luck to all those still waiting.
The one thing that annoyed me most about this was the fact that he tried to wriggle out of this mess by telling porky pies after it all backfired. He should have come clean straight away and refunded all without the punters having the hassle of claiming via Paypal.
When is he going to tell us how many Tees were sold? My guess would be nearer to 5000 than 500, maybe more.
Got my refund through this morning, good luck to all those still waiting.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by t3c on Mar 25, 2014 11:30:31 GMT 1, Looks like the competition has been honoured and i agree Kel, the anger angle is incredibly embarrassing
Looks like the competition has been honoured and i agree Kel, the anger angle is incredibly embarrassing
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by aa on Mar 25, 2014 11:33:55 GMT 1, It's taken 2 days, but I've been refunded by PayPal.
As far as I can work out, everyone who bought one of these would have paid by PayPal. So everyone should get their money back.
Time to move on to the next buying fiasco.
It's taken 2 days, but I've been refunded by PayPal.
As far as I can work out, everyone who bought one of these would have paid by PayPal. So everyone should get their money back.
Time to move on to the next buying fiasco.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Emile on Mar 25, 2014 11:36:23 GMT 1, It's taken 2 days, but I've been refunded by PayPal. As far as I can work out, everyone who bought one of these would have paid by PayPal. So everyone should get their money back. Time to move on to the next buying fiasco.
great to hear! did it myself 2 days ago so expecting something today then 
It's taken 2 days, but I've been refunded by PayPal. As far as I can work out, everyone who bought one of these would have paid by PayPal. So everyone should get their money back. Time to move on to the next buying fiasco. great to hear! did it myself 2 days ago so expecting something today then |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by gatecrasher on Mar 25, 2014 12:37:17 GMT 1, I'd go back to 1998. Returning home to Bristol from Oxford after 3 years and seeing that Banksy had bombed the whole of Bristol. I first thought who is this self promoting t**t, for an hour or so. To be honest I was just thinking of a time way before any of this crap, seems a long time since then.
I wish we could gi back to the Outis thread. There were some angry people in that one , but the moral outrage from some posts here trump them.
I doubt the people without clean water really give a shit about our sadness at not getting a banksy T-shirt so its probably time for some ppl to calm down. I'm actually feeling sorry for the poor bloke now.
I'd go back to 1998. Returning home to Bristol from Oxford after 3 years and seeing that Banksy had bombed the whole of Bristol. I first thought who is this self promoting t**t, for an hour or so. To be honest I was just thinking of a time way before any of this crap, seems a long time since then. I wish we could gi back to the Outis thread. There were some angry people in that one , but the moral outrage from some posts here trump them. I doubt the people without clean water really give a shit about our sadness at not getting a banksy T-shirt so its probably time for some ppl to calm down. I'm actually feeling sorry for the poor bloke now. |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by zefarrett on Mar 25, 2014 12:39:28 GMT 1, The only reason 100% of the people aren't rioting is because a charity was involved. Try taking the donation stuff out of the equation and it becomes much more clear. I did a preorder of a limited gold pressing of a vinyl a few months ago. If the vinyl came and it was either a normal black edition or by a completely different band, I would return it as that isn't what I ordered. Everyone here ordered a shirt under the assumption it was a collaboration with banksy for the artwork and limited edition. If that isn't what comes in 3 months, you have the right to be angry as that isn't what you ordered. You don't go to starbucks, order a coffee, and accept a hot chocolate. Thinking about it in terms of straight business, it's pretty f**ked up.
At this point, he should refund everyone and start over with concrete details.
(edit: it's 7:30 am here and I'm sleepy, hope this made some sort of sense haha)
The only reason 100% of the people aren't rioting is because a charity was involved. Try taking the donation stuff out of the equation and it becomes much more clear. I did a preorder of a limited gold pressing of a vinyl a few months ago. If the vinyl came and it was either a normal black edition or by a completely different band, I would return it as that isn't what I ordered. Everyone here ordered a shirt under the assumption it was a collaboration with banksy for the artwork and limited edition. If that isn't what comes in 3 months, you have the right to be angry as that isn't what you ordered. You don't go to starbucks, order a coffee, and accept a hot chocolate. Thinking about it in terms of straight business, it's pretty f**ked up.
At this point, he should refund everyone and start over with concrete details.
(edit: it's 7:30 am here and I'm sleepy, hope this made some sort of sense haha)
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Coach on Mar 25, 2014 12:54:51 GMT 1, The only reason 100% of the people aren't rioting is because a charity was involved. Try taking the donation stuff out of the equation and it becomes much more clear. I did a preorder of a limited gold pressing of a vinyl a few months ago. If the vinyl came and it was either a normal black edition or by a completely different band, I would return it as that isn't what I ordered. Everyone here ordered a shirt under the assumption it was a collaboration with banksy for the artwork and limited edition. If that isn't what comes in 3 months, you have the right to be angry as that isn't what you ordered. You don't go to starbucks, order a coffee, and accept a hot chocolate. Thinking about it in terms of straight business, it's pretty f**ked up. At this point, he should refund everyone and start over with concrete details. (edit: it's 7:30 am here and I'm sleepy, hope this made some sort of sense haha)
You are of course fully entities to that opinion.
For me, it leaves out a couple of factors. Some of which are demonstrable. Some of which are just my opinion.
It leaves out that bne has, as far as I am aware, done some pretty selfless charity work over a long period of time. It leaves out that I believe that bne has got himself in a mess over this by not thinking things through properly, but, in my opinion, with the intention of doing a very good thing (raising a large amount for a good cause).
Has he handled it well? No. But in view of the above, I can't get angry about this. There are much more worrying things happening in the world right now.
And, to be honest, I don't think you can take the charity element out of the equation. If you did, then we are talking about a completely different scenario imho.
Just my 2p.
The only reason 100% of the people aren't rioting is because a charity was involved. Try taking the donation stuff out of the equation and it becomes much more clear. I did a preorder of a limited gold pressing of a vinyl a few months ago. If the vinyl came and it was either a normal black edition or by a completely different band, I would return it as that isn't what I ordered. Everyone here ordered a shirt under the assumption it was a collaboration with banksy for the artwork and limited edition. If that isn't what comes in 3 months, you have the right to be angry as that isn't what you ordered. You don't go to starbucks, order a coffee, and accept a hot chocolate. Thinking about it in terms of straight business, it's pretty f**ked up. At this point, he should refund everyone and start over with concrete details. (edit: it's 7:30 am here and I'm sleepy, hope this made some sort of sense haha) You are of course fully entities to that opinion. For me, it leaves out a couple of factors. Some of which are demonstrable. Some of which are just my opinion. It leaves out that bne has, as far as I am aware, done some pretty selfless charity work over a long period of time. It leaves out that I believe that bne has got himself in a mess over this by not thinking things through properly, but, in my opinion, with the intention of doing a very good thing (raising a large amount for a good cause). Has he handled it well? No. But in view of the above, I can't get angry about this. There are much more worrying things happening in the world right now. And, to be honest, I don't think you can take the charity element out of the equation. If you did, then we are talking about a completely different scenario imho. Just my 2p. |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 13:08:35 GMT 1, this whole affair was either
a) wanky ill thought through toss that should never have got off the ground
b) Possibly the most complex and well planned art happening in human history
I have to laugh though - its all based around a fucking T shirt - A T SHIRT !
Banksy could put his name to a dog egg ( signed edition of 100 ) and people would be queing around the block and fighting amongst themselves
This is genuinely laughable- this is why you will see no more public prints being released.
this whole affair was either
a) wanky ill thought through toss that should never have got off the ground
b) Possibly the most complex and well planned art happening in human history
I have to laugh though - its all based around a fucking T shirt - A T SHIRT !
Banksy could put his name to a dog egg ( signed edition of 100 ) and people would be queing around the block and fighting amongst themselves
This is genuinely laughable- this is why you will see no more public prints being released.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Johnnyroyale on Mar 25, 2014 13:21:58 GMT 1, Im hoping that this dead horse of a thread can be flogged out to 100 pages
Im hoping that this dead horse of a thread can be flogged out to 100 pages
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by T-Bro on Mar 25, 2014 13:31:28 GMT 1, Afternoon peeps
Could someone let me know if i should cancel the other tees that i ordered - obey and invader or are these legit?
Cheers
T
Afternoon peeps
Could someone let me know if i should cancel the other tees that i ordered - obey and invader or are these legit?
Cheers
T
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by BKBOI on Mar 25, 2014 13:33:19 GMT 1, it's more than just a t shirt, it's an 80 dollar t-shirt you can flip on ebay for 500+ dollars.
it's more than just a t shirt, it's an 80 dollar t-shirt you can flip on ebay for 500+ dollars.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 13:34:13 GMT 1, T Bro, I am keeping my old orders, I have no doubt that even if he closes shop the guys at Faile, Invader and Obey will make sure orders are taken care of.
On another note, no refund here yet either. Still states awaiting sellers response. I sent them an email to move things along.
T Bro, I am keeping my old orders, I have no doubt that even if he closes shop the guys at Faile, Invader and Obey will make sure orders are taken care of.
On another note, no refund here yet either. Still states awaiting sellers response. I sent them an email to move things along.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by T-Bro on Mar 25, 2014 13:40:16 GMT 1, T Bro, I am keeping my old orders, I have no doubt that even if he closes shop the guys at Faile, Invader and Obey will make sure orders are taken care of. On another note, no refund here yet either. Still states awaiting sellers response. I sent them an email to move things along.
T Bro, I am keeping my old orders, I have no doubt that even if he closes shop the guys at Faile, Invader and Obey will make sure orders are taken care of. On another note, no refund here yet either. Still states awaiting sellers response. I sent them an email to move things along. thanks dude - will just wait for a while before i do anything. |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by caulfield on Mar 25, 2014 13:42:08 GMT 1, I don't know what all the fuss is about. The shirt seems pretty neat to me and aligns with the overall message. goo.gl/CfDH2p
I don't know what all the fuss is about. The shirt seems pretty neat to me and aligns with the overall message. goo.gl/CfDH2p |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 13:45:41 GMT 1, yh there's still time for you too mate surely if people had just got their refunds that weren't happy, everyone that wanted to stick it out kept their order and the donation was made with no one pissing and moaning to the charity, then their legal team wouldn't be looking into it? At the end of the day that's the point people care more about 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' then actually 35,000 went to an awesome charity. like I said before I am not of the assumption bne pocketed dough for himself. If you don't agree with me obviously that's all good, it's really not like I have all the answers I just am doing what I want to do, so should everyone else. I tend to agree with you born. ---------------- Yes, me too. The phrase 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' sums it up perfectly. Banksy must be so proud of his minions...
yh there's still time for you too mate surely if people had just got their refunds that weren't happy, everyone that wanted to stick it out kept their order and the donation was made with no one pissing and moaning to the charity, then their legal team wouldn't be looking into it? At the end of the day that's the point people care more about 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' then actually 35,000 went to an awesome charity. like I said before I am not of the assumption bne pocketed dough for himself. If you don't agree with me obviously that's all good, it's really not like I have all the answers I just am doing what I want to do, so should everyone else. I tend to agree with you born. ---------------- Yes, me too. The phrase 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' sums it up perfectly. Banksy must be so proud of his minions... |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by eschiff on Mar 25, 2014 13:52:05 GMT 1, I tend to agree with you born. ---------------- Yes, me too. The phrase 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' sums it up perfectly. Banksy must be so proud of his minions...
If the charity ends up refusing his money you have to seriously consider whether he did more harm or good. It's nice a few hundred (1000??) people know about one of the biggest charities in the world now (they raised 30m last year), but again, if people needed this fiasco to learn that there are more important things that t-shirts, that says as much as the people wanting to jail this guy.
I tend to agree with you born. ---------------- Yes, me too. The phrase 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' sums it up perfectly. Banksy must be so proud of his minions... I think you all are referring to a select few people. I can only speak for myself. I was disappointed that there wasn't a banksy collab but knew this before the drop by speaking with PC. I think BNE was at worst scamming people and at best dishonest but i do know what he's done for charity and respect that. I don't think BNE should go to jail (that's insane) but he's doing himself and the charity no favours by his actions in public arenas since the tshirt went on sale. If the charity ends up refusing his money you have to seriously consider whether he did more harm or good. It's nice a few hundred (1000??) people know about one of the biggest charities in the world now (they raised 30m last year), but again, if people needed this fiasco to learn that there are more important things that t-shirts, that says as much as the people wanting to jail this guy. |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by bankside on Mar 25, 2014 13:56:50 GMT 1, but knew this before the drop by speaking with PC.
Thanks for the heads up lol
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by t3c on Mar 25, 2014 14:02:49 GMT 1, I think you all are referring to a select few people. I can only speak for myself. I was disappointed that there wasn't a banksy collab but knew this before the drop by speaking with PC. I think BNE was at worst scamming people and at best dishonest but i do know what he's done for charity and respect that. I don't think BNE should go to jail (that's insane) but he's doing himself and the charity no favours by his actions in public arenas since the tshirt went on sale. If the charity ends up refusing his money you have to seriously consider whether he did more harm or good. It's nice a few hundred (1000??) people know about one of the biggest charities in the world now (they raised 30m last year), but again, if people needed this fiasco to learn that there are more important things that t-shirts, that says as much as the people wanting to jail this guy.
So if you knew it was bogus prior to the drop as PC confirmed as much to you personally, why did you not chose to say something and save many people here on this board a whole lot of ballache and hassle in the process?
I think you all are referring to a select few people. I can only speak for myself. I was disappointed that there wasn't a banksy collab but knew this before the drop by speaking with PC. I think BNE was at worst scamming people and at best dishonest but i do know what he's done for charity and respect that. I don't think BNE should go to jail (that's insane) but he's doing himself and the charity no favours by his actions in public arenas since the tshirt went on sale. If the charity ends up refusing his money you have to seriously consider whether he did more harm or good. It's nice a few hundred (1000??) people know about one of the biggest charities in the world now (they raised 30m last year), but again, if people needed this fiasco to learn that there are more important things that t-shirts, that says as much as the people wanting to jail this guy. So if you knew it was bogus prior to the drop as PC confirmed as much to you personally, why did you not chose to say something and save many people here on this board a whole lot of ballache and hassle in the process? |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 14:09:00 GMT 1, Actually despite 30 Mill to raise sounds like a lot of money for a charity, in the world of big money charities I'm afraid Charity: Water does not rate that highly.
Top Charities holdings are in the Billions. Big Charity, Big Money, Big business
Actually despite 30 Mill to raise sounds like a lot of money for a charity, in the world of big money charities I'm afraid Charity: Water does not rate that highly. Top Charities holdings are in the Billions. Big Charity, Big Money, Big business |
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by zefarrett on Mar 25, 2014 14:18:52 GMT 1, You really think you guys would have believed him? He would have been fed to the wolves by quite a few people. There have been a lot of people who continue to back BNE with the current info we have. If he said it before any lies were confirmed, he would have been shot.
You really think you guys would have believed him? He would have been fed to the wolves by quite a few people. There have been a lot of people who continue to back BNE with the current info we have. If he said it before any lies were confirmed, he would have been shot.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by eschiff on Mar 25, 2014 14:25:14 GMT 1, I think you all are referring to a select few people. I can only speak for myself. I was disappointed that there wasn't a banksy collab but knew this before the drop by speaking with PC. I think BNE was at worst scamming people and at best dishonest but i do know what he's done for charity and respect that. I don't think BNE should go to jail (that's insane) but he's doing himself and the charity no favours by his actions in public arenas since the tshirt went on sale. If the charity ends up refusing his money you have to seriously consider whether he did more harm or good. It's nice a few hundred (1000??) people know about one of the biggest charities in the world now (they raised 30m last year), but again, if people needed this fiasco to learn that there are more important things that t-shirts, that says as much as the people wanting to jail this guy. So if you knew it was bogus prior to the drop as PC confirmed as much to you personally, why did you not chose to say something and save many people here on this board a whole lot of ballache and hassle in the process?
As well, myself, Gunny, Freerange and a few others have tried to say since it went on sale that it was fake. Nobody listens, that's fine, that's your prerogative but to try and shift the blame to the messenger is a farce. Do your own homework I can't hold your hand all the time.
I think you all are referring to a select few people. I can only speak for myself. I was disappointed that there wasn't a banksy collab but knew this before the drop by speaking with PC. I think BNE was at worst scamming people and at best dishonest but i do know what he's done for charity and respect that. I don't think BNE should go to jail (that's insane) but he's doing himself and the charity no favours by his actions in public arenas since the tshirt went on sale. If the charity ends up refusing his money you have to seriously consider whether he did more harm or good. It's nice a few hundred (1000??) people know about one of the biggest charities in the world now (they raised 30m last year), but again, if people needed this fiasco to learn that there are more important things that t-shirts, that says as much as the people wanting to jail this guy. So if you knew it was bogus prior to the drop as PC confirmed as much to you personally, why did you not chose to say something and save many people here on this board a whole lot of ballache and hassle in the process? Haha, really? You think if i came on here and said, hey guys, it's bogus, don't get anything that would've stopped you? As well, myself, Gunny, Freerange and a few others have tried to say since it went on sale that it was fake. Nobody listens, that's fine, that's your prerogative but to try and shift the blame to the messenger is a farce. Do your own homework I can't hold your hand all the time. |
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born2sk8
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by born2sk8 on Mar 25, 2014 14:30:24 GMT 1, The only reason 100% of the people aren't rioting is because a charity was involved. Try taking the donation stuff out of the equation and it becomes much more clear. I did a preorder of a limited gold pressing of a vinyl a few months ago. If the vinyl came and it was either a normal black edition or by a completely different band, I would return it as that isn't what I ordered. Everyone here ordered a shirt under the assumption it was a collaboration with banksy for the artwork and limited edition. If that isn't what comes in 3 months, you have the right to be angry as that isn't what you ordered. You don't go to starbucks, order a coffee, and accept a hot chocolate. Thinking about it in terms of straight business, it's pretty f**ked up. At this point, he should refund everyone and start over with concrete details. (edit: it's 7:30 am here and I'm sleepy, hope this made some sort of sense haha)
using your example if you bought a gold pressing vinyl and the guys that sold it you sent something completely different and you weren't happy, obviously, and they allowed you to get a refund, which they would. But then imagine that when selling it they said 'you guys buy this gold vinyl we'll give $35,000 to charity' and when you got your refund would you make it your job to alert that charity and tell them to not accept the donation, I don't think so
The only reason 100% of the people aren't rioting is because a charity was involved. Try taking the donation stuff out of the equation and it becomes much more clear. I did a preorder of a limited gold pressing of a vinyl a few months ago. If the vinyl came and it was either a normal black edition or by a completely different band, I would return it as that isn't what I ordered. Everyone here ordered a shirt under the assumption it was a collaboration with banksy for the artwork and limited edition. If that isn't what comes in 3 months, you have the right to be angry as that isn't what you ordered. You don't go to starbucks, order a coffee, and accept a hot chocolate. Thinking about it in terms of straight business, it's pretty f**ked up. At this point, he should refund everyone and start over with concrete details. (edit: it's 7:30 am here and I'm sleepy, hope this made some sort of sense haha) using your example if you bought a gold pressing vinyl and the guys that sold it you sent something completely different and you weren't happy, obviously, and they allowed you to get a refund, which they would. But then imagine that when selling it they said 'you guys buy this gold vinyl we'll give $35,000 to charity' and when you got your refund would you make it your job to alert that charity and tell them to not accept the donation, I don't think so |
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Wearology
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by Wearology on Mar 25, 2014 14:40:20 GMT 1, I bought the Al Wei Wei piece with the guy riding a bicycle and it arrived completely ripped and stuck together. I haven't complained yet because it was for a charity and just assumed they know knowing about packing art work and something about raising money for a good cause.
I bought the Al Wei Wei piece with the guy riding a bicycle and it arrived completely ripped and stuck together. I haven't complained yet because it was for a charity and just assumed they know knowing about packing art work and something about raising money for a good cause.
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thisisanton
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by thisisanton on Mar 25, 2014 14:43:12 GMT 1, Just got a refund. But PayPal refunded me on the invader shirts as well. I only wanted the blank shirts to be cancelled.
Just got a refund. But PayPal refunded me on the invader shirts as well. I only wanted the blank shirts to be cancelled.
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by zefarrett on Mar 25, 2014 14:44:24 GMT 1, It seems as if the thing that is keeping everyone here agreeing is whether they purchased the shirt as a purchase or as a "donation" that comes with a shirt.
I feel like there are a bunch of people who clicked the purchase button and not the donation button and now continue to use the fact that some of the money got donated as an excuse. Not calling anyone specifically out as I don't want to start a personal fight, although I do enjoy a good discussion. I give a pass to the people who purchased AND donated. But if you only purchased, there was clearly an intent to receive the item that was being advertised as one thing.
It seems as if the thing that is keeping everyone here agreeing is whether they purchased the shirt as a purchase or as a "donation" that comes with a shirt.
I feel like there are a bunch of people who clicked the purchase button and not the donation button and now continue to use the fact that some of the money got donated as an excuse. Not calling anyone specifically out as I don't want to start a personal fight, although I do enjoy a good discussion. I give a pass to the people who purchased AND donated. But if you only purchased, there was clearly an intent to receive the item that was being advertised as one thing.
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t3c
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Banksy+BNE for World Water Day, by t3c on Mar 25, 2014 14:45:11 GMT 1, So if you knew it was bogus prior to the drop as PC confirmed as much to you personally, why did you not chose to say something and save many people here on this board a whole lot of ballache and hassle in the process? Haha, really? You think if i came on here and said, hey guys, it's bogus, don't get anything that would've stopped you? As well, myself, Gunny, Freerange and a few others have tried to say since it went on sale that it was fake. Nobody listens, that's fine, that's your prerogative but to try and shift the blame to the messenger is a farce. Do your own homework I can't hold your hand all the time.
You're a respected member of this board, who had inside knowledge directly from PC so yeah i would've probably thought about how this was all going to play out in greater detail had this information had come to light prior to the drop. Most other people would've too I would imagine.
No hands need being held here btw, we all freely (some more than others) divulge information, rumours and such here as that is generally how most find out about things happening in this scene and i see this example being no different. You did and that was entirely your call to make dude
So if you knew it was bogus prior to the drop as PC confirmed as much to you personally, why did you not chose to say something and save many people here on this board a whole lot of ballache and hassle in the process? Haha, really? You think if i came on here and said, hey guys, it's bogus, don't get anything that would've stopped you? As well, myself, Gunny, Freerange and a few others have tried to say since it went on sale that it was fake. Nobody listens, that's fine, that's your prerogative but to try and shift the blame to the messenger is a farce. Do your own homework I can't hold your hand all the time. You're a respected member of this board, who had inside knowledge directly from PC so yeah i would've probably thought about how this was all going to play out in greater detail had this information had come to light prior to the drop. Most other people would've too I would imagine. No hands need being held here btw, we all freely (some more than others) divulge information, rumours and such here as that is generally how most find out about things happening in this scene and i see this example being no different. You did and that was entirely your call to make dude |
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surely if people had just got their refunds that weren't happy, everyone that wanted to stick it out kept their order and the donation was made with no one pissing and moaning to the charity, then their legal team wouldn't be looking into it? At the end of the day that's the point people care more about 'omg I thought I was getting a banksy tshirt and now I'm not! Someone has to burn' then actually 35,000 went to an awesome charity. like I said before I am not of the assumption bne pocketed dough for himself. If you don't agree with me obviously that's all good, it's really not like I have all the answers I just am doing what I want to do, so should everyone else. 
