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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by sin on May 10, 2014 15:11:30 GMT 1, there is no question that Geddes is an extremely shilled painter. However, the world is full of skilled painters. Geddes put together a body of work that has a distinct look and tone. Floating astronauts in empty space or in a desolate city. He then explored human subjects in that same landscape, which was a well received expansion on a theme. It seemed to me, that he was then looking to explore from there but got stuck. He reverted back into prior themes of floating subjects in empty space, astronauts, birds, quiet almost sullen subjects. It's safe, but I think collectors can smell that.
During this period the print market started to fall. Maybe it's a correction of speculators falling off and looking to limit loss. Maybe it's just people not liking a new body of work that seems like a song they have heard before. Whatever it is they secondary market is softer on the print side and the primary market is slightly softer on the paintings side.
Judging the primary print market in comparison to where it was years ago is somewhat pointless as there has been an exceedingly strong secondary market for a while. It would be unlikely that the primary print market would correct so far back. However producing a near duplicate to ones most in demand image is a sure fire heavy sell. Everyone who has been lusting at a thousand dollar++ print will be able to satisfy that fetish with this close copy of that image.
IMHO as was stated prior this is a similar track as Keyes except Keyes has more courage by pushing through his departure into his fully rendered scenes.
Will be interesting to watch from here.
there is no question that Geddes is an extremely shilled painter. However, the world is full of skilled painters. Geddes put together a body of work that has a distinct look and tone. Floating astronauts in empty space or in a desolate city. He then explored human subjects in that same landscape, which was a well received expansion on a theme. It seemed to me, that he was then looking to explore from there but got stuck. He reverted back into prior themes of floating subjects in empty space, astronauts, birds, quiet almost sullen subjects. It's safe, but I think collectors can smell that.
During this period the print market started to fall. Maybe it's a correction of speculators falling off and looking to limit loss. Maybe it's just people not liking a new body of work that seems like a song they have heard before. Whatever it is they secondary market is softer on the print side and the primary market is slightly softer on the paintings side.
Judging the primary print market in comparison to where it was years ago is somewhat pointless as there has been an exceedingly strong secondary market for a while. It would be unlikely that the primary print market would correct so far back. However producing a near duplicate to ones most in demand image is a sure fire heavy sell. Everyone who has been lusting at a thousand dollar++ print will be able to satisfy that fetish with this close copy of that image.
IMHO as was stated prior this is a similar track as Keyes except Keyes has more courage by pushing through his departure into his fully rendered scenes.
Will be interesting to watch from here.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Momo on May 10, 2014 15:19:41 GMT 1, Whatvexactly is a timed release? (Sorry for the nube question)
Whatvexactly is a timed release? (Sorry for the nube question)
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Warm Gun on May 10, 2014 15:25:42 GMT 1, Whatvexactly is a timed release? (Sorry for the nube question) A print that is available to buy for a certain period of time.
Whatvexactly is a timed release? (Sorry for the nube question) A print that is available to buy for a certain period of time.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Coach on May 10, 2014 15:32:10 GMT 1, Whatvexactly is a timed release? (Sorry for the nube question)
What warmgun said, but worth adding that the size of the edition is dictated by how many sell in that timed period. So edition will be large for a popular print.
Whatvexactly is a timed release? (Sorry for the nube question) What warmgun said, but worth adding that the size of the edition is dictated by how many sell in that timed period. So edition will be large for a popular print.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Momo on May 10, 2014 15:36:55 GMT 1, Ah I see. Thanks guys, So basically there's one for everyone who wants one in that time..typically it wouldn't be stated afterwards how many were sold would there?
Ah I see. Thanks guys, So basically there's one for everyone who wants one in that time..typically it wouldn't be stated afterwards how many were sold would there?
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by sin on May 10, 2014 15:51:48 GMT 1, yeah its stated what the edition size is usually.
anyone want to take side bets on the count?
yeah its stated what the edition size is usually.
anyone want to take side bets on the count?
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Coach on May 10, 2014 15:54:30 GMT 1, Ah I see. Thanks guys, So basically there's one for everyone who wants one in that time..typically it wouldn't be stated afterwards how many were sold would there?
That's it. Bad news for flippers!!
Ah I see. Thanks guys, So basically there's one for everyone who wants one in that time..typically it wouldn't be stated afterwards how many were sold would there? That's it. Bad news for flippers!!
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by anarquee on May 10, 2014 16:20:13 GMT 1, warmer air was a run of 840
warmer air was a run of 840
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by kultur on May 10, 2014 17:40:11 GMT 1, To hell with the espresso beaners financial rubbish people.lets just enjoy the work Or shall we become like the clueless middle class socialites and buy a mickey mouse print made of dots for ยฃ5000. So Dolk releases a new Vandal canvas edition of 100 with slightly different hair and everything else the same... and you say the same thing... just enjoy your canvas right? I think it has to hit home before you can understand... and not that Dolk would do that.
To hell with the espresso beaners financial rubbish people.lets just enjoy the work Or shall we become like the clueless middle class socialites and buy a mickey mouse print made of dots for ยฃ5000. So Dolk releases a new Vandal canvas edition of 100 with slightly different hair and everything else the same... and you say the same thing... just enjoy your canvas right? I think it has to hit home before you can understand... and not that Dolk would do that.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Deleted on May 10, 2014 17:45:57 GMT 1, To hell with the espresso beaners financial rubbish people.lets just enjoy the work Or shall we become like the clueless middle class socialites and buy a mickey mouse print made of dots for ยฃ5000. So Dolk releases a new Vandal canvas edition of 100 with slightly different hair and everything else the same... and you say the same thing... just enjoy your canvas right? I think it has to hit home before you can understand... and not that Dolk would do that. You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ?
To hell with the espresso beaners financial rubbish people.lets just enjoy the work Or shall we become like the clueless middle class socialites and buy a mickey mouse print made of dots for ยฃ5000. So Dolk releases a new Vandal canvas edition of 100 with slightly different hair and everything else the same... and you say the same thing... just enjoy your canvas right? I think it has to hit home before you can understand... and not that Dolk would do that. You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ?
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by kultur on May 10, 2014 17:54:17 GMT 1, So Dolk releases a new Vandal canvas edition of 100 with slightly different hair and everything else the same... and you say the same thing... just enjoy your canvas right? I think it has to hit home before you can understand... and not that Dolk would do that. You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ? I havent sold or traded anything in my collection in more than 20 years of collecting. I offered it years ago and still have it all. Dig your hole a little deeper.
What do you actually know... because you talk lots of crap that has no basis and it really only hurts your reputation not mine.
So Dolk releases a new Vandal canvas edition of 100 with slightly different hair and everything else the same... and you say the same thing... just enjoy your canvas right? I think it has to hit home before you can understand... and not that Dolk would do that. You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ? I havent sold or traded anything in my collection in more than 20 years of collecting. I offered it years ago and still have it all. Dig your hole a little deeper. What do you actually know... because you talk lots of crap that has no basis and it really only hurts your reputation not mine.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Deleted on May 10, 2014 17:57:27 GMT 1, You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ? I havent sold or traded anything in my collection in more than 20 years of collecting. I offered it years ago and still have it all. Dig your hole a little deeper. What do you actually know... because you talk lots of crap that has no basis and it really only hurts your reputation not mine. Ah, apologies, must be mistaken, thought I'd made an offer on your Geddes collection a while back.
You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ? I havent sold or traded anything in my collection in more than 20 years of collecting. I offered it years ago and still have it all. Dig your hole a little deeper. What do you actually know... because you talk lots of crap that has no basis and it really only hurts your reputation not mine. Ah, apologies, must be mistaken, thought I'd made an offer on your Geddes collection a while back.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by dazarino on May 10, 2014 18:13:06 GMT 1, So Dolk releases a new Vandal canvas edition of 100 with slightly different hair and everything else the same... and you say the same thing... just enjoy your canvas right? I think it has to hit home before you can understand... and not that Dolk would do that. You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ? I do understand your grievance and apologise if i offended you, but the new print is different than yours is it not? ok not a massive amount but looking at the audrey kawasaki timed prints, they are not really very sought after as the run is normally over 1000 and it has made her smaller limited runs of the same or similar images a lot more desirable. If jeremy geddes gains a lot more fans over doing this, your print may even grow in value as people might want your print to match
well for what its worth, i do hope so
So Dolk releases a new Vandal canvas edition of 100 with slightly different hair and everything else the same... and you say the same thing... just enjoy your canvas right? I think it has to hit home before you can understand... and not that Dolk would do that. You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ? I do understand your grievance and apologise if i offended you, but the new print is different than yours is it not? ok not a massive amount but looking at the audrey kawasaki timed prints, they are not really very sought after as the run is normally over 1000 and it has made her smaller limited runs of the same or similar images a lot more desirable. If jeremy geddes gains a lot more fans over doing this, your print may even grow in value as people might want your print to match well for what its worth, i do hope so
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by bullysonzx10r on May 10, 2014 18:28:54 GMT 1, I'm a fan of this print, and I missed out on the previous one... So -- I'm in.
However, I buy pieces based 100% off how I feel about them (With a few exceptions -- Fucking BNE...) So, I don't really give a shit if it'll flip, or if 20,000 other people have the same thing.
If the price is right, and I enjoy the work... Sold
I'm a fan of this print, and I missed out on the previous one... So -- I'm in.
However, I buy pieces based 100% off how I feel about them (With a few exceptions -- Fucking BNE...) So, I don't really give a shit if it'll flip, or if 20,000 other people have the same thing.
If the price is right, and I enjoy the work... Sold
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by kultur on May 10, 2014 18:37:06 GMT 1, You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ? I do understand your grievance and apologise if i offended you, but the new print is different than yours is it not? ok not a massive amount but looking at the audrey kawasaki timed prints, they are not really very sought after as the run is normally over 1000 and it has made her smaller limited runs of the same or similar images a lot more desirable. If jeremy geddes gains a lot more fans over doing this, your print may even grow in value as people might want your print to match well for what its worth, i do hope so You didnt offend me.. but you didnt answer my Dolk scenario either
I have one and that may skew me a bit, but in reality even if I didnt have one I would be saying the same thing.
I am not really concerned about value. If you read what I posted I think it is a bad move for an artist to do something like this and release something that similar to something he painted in 2009 (5 years ago) www.jeremygeddesart.com/popups/02.html. It hurts him and it can hurt his fan base as it just is really not good form. It also seems DESPERATE to me.
It also is a different story here, as when an artist makes a statement that they are not going to be doing something in the future... as he has said about not doing Cosmonauts anymore... to then turn around and release 2 more prints of Cosmonauts ( I have not heard anything about the JLG print and if that is real yet but I am guessing it is) and then have a brand new original of an almost identical Cosmonaut (again 5 years later), it just makes you wonder why you would trust or want to trust anything they have to say. In this business trust and reputation is very important. Talent rarely trumps reputation.
You still trying to flip your whole Geddes collection then ? I do understand your grievance and apologise if i offended you, but the new print is different than yours is it not? ok not a massive amount but looking at the audrey kawasaki timed prints, they are not really very sought after as the run is normally over 1000 and it has made her smaller limited runs of the same or similar images a lot more desirable. If jeremy geddes gains a lot more fans over doing this, your print may even grow in value as people might want your print to match well for what its worth, i do hope so You didnt offend me.. but you didnt answer my Dolk scenario either I have one and that may skew me a bit, but in reality even if I didnt have one I would be saying the same thing. I am not really concerned about value. If you read what I posted I think it is a bad move for an artist to do something like this and release something that similar to something he painted in 2009 (5 years ago) www.jeremygeddesart.com/popups/02.html. It hurts him and it can hurt his fan base as it just is really not good form. It also seems DESPERATE to me. It also is a different story here, as when an artist makes a statement that they are not going to be doing something in the future... as he has said about not doing Cosmonauts anymore... to then turn around and release 2 more prints of Cosmonauts ( I have not heard anything about the JLG print and if that is real yet but I am guessing it is) and then have a brand new original of an almost identical Cosmonaut (again 5 years later), it just makes you wonder why you would trust or want to trust anything they have to say. In this business trust and reputation is very important. Talent rarely trumps reputation.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Someones Brain on May 10, 2014 22:20:56 GMT 1, Back to the important facts of this release: do we have any information yet regarding the date of the release, the period of time to purchase and/or the price range? It's the first time I have a realistic chance of getting a Geddes from source 'cos I'm not a F5-type of guy. I'm excited already ...
Back to the important facts of this release: do we have any information yet regarding the date of the release, the period of time to purchase and/or the price range? It's the first time I have a realistic chance of getting a Geddes from source 'cos I'm not a F5-type of guy. I'm excited already ...
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by dazarino on May 11, 2014 0:44:28 GMT 1, I do understand your grievance and apologise if i offended you, but the new print is different than yours is it not? ok not a massive amount but looking at the audrey kawasaki timed prints, they are not really very sought after as the run is normally over 1000 and it has made her smaller limited runs of the same or similar images a lot more desirable. If jeremy geddes gains a lot more fans over doing this, your print may even grow in value as people might want your print to match well for what its worth, i do hope so You didnt offend me.. but you didnt answer my Dolk scenario either I have one and that may skew me a bit, but in reality even if I didnt have one I would be saying the same thing. I am not really concerned about value. If you read what I posted I think it is a bad move for an artist to do something like this and release something that similar to something he painted in 2009 (5 years ago)ย www.jeremygeddesart.com/popups/02.html. It hurts him and it can hurt his fan base as it just is really not good form. It also seems DESPERATE to me. It also is a different story here, as when an artist makes a statement that they are not going to be doing something in the future... as he has said about not doing Cosmonautsย anymore... to then turn around and release 2 more prints of Cosmonauts ( I have not heard anything about the JLG print and if that is real yet but I am guessing it is) and then have a brand new original of an almost identical Cosmonaut (again 5 years later), it just makes you wonder why you would trust or want to trust anything they have to say. In this business trust and reputation is very important. Talent rarely trumps reputation.
Didnt answer because it nearly made me cry lol
I do understand your grievance and apologise if i offended you, but the new print is different than yours is it not? ok not a massive amount but looking at the audrey kawasaki timed prints, they are not really very sought after as the run is normally over 1000 and it has made her smaller limited runs of the same or similar images a lot more desirable. If jeremy geddes gains a lot more fans over doing this, your print may even grow in value as people might want your print to match well for what its worth, i do hope so You didnt offend me.. but you didnt answer my Dolk scenario either I have one and that may skew me a bit, but in reality even if I didnt have one I would be saying the same thing. I am not really concerned about value. If you read what I posted I think it is a bad move for an artist to do something like this and release something that similar to something he painted in 2009 (5 years ago)ย www.jeremygeddesart.com/popups/02.html. It hurts him and it can hurt his fan base as it just is really not good form. It also seems DESPERATE to me. It also is a different story here, as when an artist makes a statement that they are not going to be doing something in the future... as he has said about not doing Cosmonautsย anymore... to then turn around and release 2 more prints of Cosmonauts ( I have not heard anything about the JLG print and if that is real yet but I am guessing it is) and then have a brand new original of an almost identical Cosmonaut (again 5 years later), it just makes you wonder why you would trust or want to trust anything they have to say. In this business trust and reputation is very important. Talent rarely trumps reputation. Didnt answer because it nearly made me cry lol
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by alittle on May 11, 2014 8:31:07 GMT 1, jeremygeddesart.blogspot.ca/2014/05/on-hypostasis-print-release.html
"A couple of days ago we announced that Hypostasis would be released as a timed release, but we've changed our minds. After much discussion we feel releasing Hypostasis as a print would be a betrayal to those who have the original Red Cosmonaut print.
Hypostasis was a commissioned piece intended as a reimagining of the themes of Red Cosmonaut. As such it has a very similar feel and quality to the Red Cosmonaut.
Our prints provide an archive of the progression of my painting, cataloguing where I've been and where I am going. Hypostasis was an enjoyable painting to create, and a fun place to revisit, but its release as a print doesnโt fall within our mantra for what should be released.
We're sorry to be changing our minds, and I apologise to those who were looking forward to this release. At the end of the day we are driven by what feels ethical, and this is a decision we feel we needed to make.
thanks,
Jem"
jeremygeddesart.blogspot.ca/2014/05/on-hypostasis-print-release.html"A couple of days ago we announced that Hypostasis would be released as a timed release, but we've changed our minds. After much discussion we feel releasing Hypostasis as a print would be a betrayal to those who have the original Red Cosmonaut print. Hypostasis was a commissioned piece intended as a reimagining of the themes of Red Cosmonaut. As such it has a very similar feel and quality to the Red Cosmonaut. Our prints provide an archive of the progression of my painting, cataloguing where I've been and where I am going. Hypostasis was an enjoyable painting to create, and a fun place to revisit, but its release as a print doesnโt fall within our mantra for what should be released. We're sorry to be changing our minds, and I apologise to those who were looking forward to this release. At the end of the day we are driven by what feels ethical, and this is a decision we feel we needed to make. thanks, Jem"
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Art Fan 2011 on May 11, 2014 8:36:55 GMT 1, What a shame!! Can hear the sigh of relief from the Red Cosmonaut owners!
Hopefully he has another timed release lined up for us!
What a shame!! Can hear the sigh of relief from the Red Cosmonaut owners!
Hopefully he has another timed release lined up for us!
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by maroom on May 11, 2014 8:45:06 GMT 1, Right decision but personally disappointed as a non-red owner.
Right decision but personally disappointed as a non-red owner.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Deleted on May 11, 2014 8:47:02 GMT 1, So they've been swayed by the power of the forum/s?
I'd still envisage the next release as a timed release tho'
So they've been swayed by the power of the forum/s?
I'd still envisage the next release as a timed release tho'
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by barryh on May 11, 2014 8:53:34 GMT 1, That's a bit of a shame, wonder why JR has never got grief for releasing the same image more than once.
That's a bit of a shame, wonder why JR has never got grief for releasing the same image more than once.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Deleted on May 11, 2014 8:57:16 GMT 1, What a shame!! Can hear the sigh of relief from the Red Cosmonaut owners! Hopefully he has another timed release lined up for us! Such a shame, they made a great matching set. Idiotic EB members mailing Soph.
What a shame!! Can hear the sigh of relief from the Red Cosmonaut owners! Hopefully he has another timed release lined up for us! Such a shame, they made a great matching set. Idiotic EB members mailing Soph.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by mutatis on May 11, 2014 9:01:12 GMT 1, For me it is indeed a pity and the artist is free to do as he wishes, but given the turnaround and the reasons therefor - it begs the question of why the timed release was considered in the first place
For me it is indeed a pity and the artist is free to do as he wishes, but given the turnaround and the reasons therefor - it begs the question of why the timed release was considered in the first place
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Deleted on May 11, 2014 9:14:32 GMT 1, So they've been swayed by the power of the forum/s? Or swayed by the power of common sense, we'll never know. thank heavens they're not swayed by some of the odd logic displayed in this thread.
So they've been swayed by the power of the forum/s? Or swayed by the power of common sense, we'll never know. thank heavens they're not swayed by some of the odd logic displayed in this thread.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by dazarino on May 11, 2014 9:50:03 GMT 1, Your last nights dream has come true kultur haha Thats great news for all really and its great he obviously listened to collectors. still hoping he will release a new print though.
Your last nights dream has come true kultur haha Thats great news for all really and its great he obviously listened to collectors. still hoping he will release a new print though.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Deleted on May 11, 2014 9:56:36 GMT 1, What a shame!! Can hear the sigh of relief from the Red Cosmonaut owners! Hopefully he has another timed release lined up for us! Such a shame, they made a great matching set. Idiotic EB members mailing Soph. Agreed I was looking forward to that. it probably would of made the price on red cosmonaut stronger too. I'm just going to click the ignore button on this thread now anyway and boycott what ever he decides to sell instead.
What a shame!! Can hear the sigh of relief from the Red Cosmonaut owners! Hopefully he has another timed release lined up for us! Such a shame, they made a great matching set. Idiotic EB members mailing Soph. Agreed I was looking forward to that. it probably would of made the price on red cosmonaut stronger too. I'm just going to click the ignore button on this thread now anyway and boycott what ever he decides to sell instead.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by floubi on May 11, 2014 10:00:05 GMT 1, That's a bit of a shame, wonder why JR has never got grief for releasing the same image more than once.
Because all the editions are expensive and he never did a time release
That's a bit of a shame, wonder why JR has never got grief for releasing the same image more than once. Because all the editions are expensive and he never did a time release
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Dungle on May 11, 2014 10:01:34 GMT 1, What a bizarre outcome.
What a bizarre outcome.
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Jeremy Geddes ๐ณ๐ฟ Cosmonaut Paintings โข Print Release News, by Warm Gun on May 11, 2014 10:05:28 GMT 1, This is probably the correct decision but it is a shame nonetheless.
This is probably the correct decision but it is a shame nonetheless.
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