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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by mouser on Jul 24, 2014 0:48:12 GMT 1, Bast, supine and rae all escape me, i get close to liking some bast and supine now and again, but then see another piece and its gone again.... Rae just doesnt float me boat, not my thing.
I like my art a bit less "naked lunch".
Bast, supine and rae all escape me, i get close to liking some bast and supine now and again, but then see another piece and its gone again.... Rae just doesnt float me boat, not my thing.
I like my art a bit less "naked lunch".
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by mrchristopherrobinso on Jul 24, 2014 2:31:33 GMT 1, Os Gemeos are awesome street artists that have put up giant pieces in many major cities. I find their work to be full of whimsy and vibrancy; which is greatly needed in many of the neighborhoods where they choose to paint. I don't think that they release many prints. Mainly just OGs and the street art. I think this is why their prints are in such high demand.
Os Gemeos are awesome street artists that have put up giant pieces in many major cities. I find their work to be full of whimsy and vibrancy; which is greatly needed in many of the neighborhoods where they choose to paint. I don't think that they release many prints. Mainly just OGs and the street art. I think this is why their prints are in such high demand.
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opalis141
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by opalis141 on Jul 24, 2014 3:04:35 GMT 1, Cleon Peterson. I have never understood his appeal; his works seem pretty racist to me. I've tried giving him the benefit of the doubt, rationalizing that he's trying to provoke a discussion about the stereotypical images of blacks and violence in the media. But then I realize that would give him too much credit: nowhere in interviews I've read does he display this kind of awareness. In fact, he has said that his images simply depict violence in society, and are meant to be somewhat humorous. What am I missing? Racist? Do you see the figures Cleon Peterson paints black as being racial depictions? Representations of black people? If so, then I believe you've seriously misunderstood the work. Peterson has also painted some of his characters red, but they're not intended to be Native Americans. It would be safer and more accurate to view the figures in black as simply being symbolic of dark forces, evil or malevolence.
*Edited to add: in this country meaning the U.S. where he is based.
Cleon Peterson. I have never understood his appeal; his works seem pretty racist to me. I've tried giving him the benefit of the doubt, rationalizing that he's trying to provoke a discussion about the stereotypical images of blacks and violence in the media. But then I realize that would give him too much credit: nowhere in interviews I've read does he display this kind of awareness. In fact, he has said that his images simply depict violence in society, and are meant to be somewhat humorous. What am I missing? Racist? Do you see the figures Cleon Peterson paints black as being racial depictions? Representations of black people? If so, then I believe you've seriously misunderstood the work. Peterson has also painted some of his characters red, but they're not intended to be Native Americans. It would be safer and more accurate to view the figures in black as simply being symbolic of dark forces, evil or malevolence. I don't think it has anything to do with the color of the figures and everything to do with the artistic traditions he is referencing as well as the features that he chooses to exaggerate which have a long, complicated and entangled history with race relations in this country--as reflected through art. I actually had seen his images floating around before and had made a lot of assumptions regarding the artist's intent and the statement the pieces were making, which after watching an interview with the artist and reading up on his work are, sadly very mistaken. I have to agree with Street Art Fan regarding the undertones of racism. *Edited to add: in this country meaning the U.S. where he is based. |
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by met on Aug 1, 2014 4:36:32 GMT 1, Racist? Do you see the figures Cleon Peterson paints black as being racial depictions? Representations of black people? If so, then I believe you've seriously misunderstood the work. Peterson has also painted some of his characters red, but they're not intended to be Native Americans. It would be safer and more accurate to view the figures in black as simply being symbolic of dark forces, evil or malevolence. I don't think it has anything to do with the color of the figures and everything to do with the artistic traditions he is referencing as well as the features that he chooses to exaggerate which have a long, complicated and entangled history with race relations in this country--as reflected through art. I actually had seen his images floating around before and had made a lot of assumptions regarding the artist's intent and the statement the pieces were making, which after watching an interview with the artist and reading up on his work are, sadly very mistaken. I have to agree with Street Art Fan regarding the undertones of racism. *Edited to add: in this country meaning the U.S. where he is based.
Thank you for this input. It's always very interesting for me to be forced to reconsider and rethink a subject matter I previously felt quite confident about. A welcome challenge.
As a fan of Peterson's work, I myself have read a couple of his interviews in the past and watched a rather long-winded video interview. However, I've never picked up on racist undertones or even remember him making any mention of race.
Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "the artistic traditions he is referencing"? [Perhaps I've been based in Europe too long, but I've always seen Peterson's characters as Joost-Swarte-figures-gone-bad.] And with "the features he chooses to exaggerate", are you for example referring to the way the artist typically draws eyes, which could be interpreted by some as caricaturing Asians?
I'd also be interested to learn what your assumptions had originally been regarding Peterson's intent and work โ assumptions which, after delving deeper, you believe turned out to be mistaken.
Racist? Do you see the figures Cleon Peterson paints black as being racial depictions? Representations of black people? If so, then I believe you've seriously misunderstood the work. Peterson has also painted some of his characters red, but they're not intended to be Native Americans. It would be safer and more accurate to view the figures in black as simply being symbolic of dark forces, evil or malevolence. I don't think it has anything to do with the color of the figures and everything to do with the artistic traditions he is referencing as well as the features that he chooses to exaggerate which have a long, complicated and entangled history with race relations in this country--as reflected through art. I actually had seen his images floating around before and had made a lot of assumptions regarding the artist's intent and the statement the pieces were making, which after watching an interview with the artist and reading up on his work are, sadly very mistaken. I have to agree with Street Art Fan regarding the undertones of racism. *Edited to add: in this country meaning the U.S. where he is based. Thank you for this input. It's always very interesting for me to be forced to reconsider and rethink a subject matter I previously felt quite confident about. A welcome challenge. As a fan of Peterson's work, I myself have read a couple of his interviews in the past and watched a rather long-winded video interview. However, I've never picked up on racist undertones or even remember him making any mention of race. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by " the artistic traditions he is referencing"? [Perhaps I've been based in Europe too long, but I've always seen Peterson's characters as Joost-Swarte-figures-gone-bad.] And with " the features he chooses to exaggerate", are you for example referring to the way the artist typically draws eyes, which could be interpreted by some as caricaturing Asians? I'd also be interested to learn what your assumptions had originally been regarding Peterson's intent and work โ assumptions which, after delving deeper, you believe turned out to be mistaken. |
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opalis141
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by opalis141 on Aug 1, 2014 16:40:21 GMT 1, I don't think it has anything to do with the color of the figures and everything to do with the artistic traditions he is referencing as well as the features that he chooses to exaggerate which have a long, complicated and entangled history with race relations in this country--as reflected through art. I actually had seen his images floating around before and had made a lot of assumptions regarding the artist's intent and the statement the pieces were making, which after watching an interview with the artist and reading up on his work are, sadly very mistaken. I have to agree with Street Art Fan regarding the undertones of racism. *Edited to add: in this country meaning the U.S. where he is based. Thank you for this input. It's always very interesting for me to be forced to reconsider and rethink a subject matter I previously felt quite confident about. A welcome challenge. As a fan of Peterson's work, I myself have read a couple of his interviews in the past and watched a rather long-winded video interview. However, I've never picked up on racist undertones or even remember him making any mention of race. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by " the artistic traditions he is referencing"? [Perhaps I've been based in Europe too long, but I've always seen Peterson's characters as Joost-Swarte-figures-gone-bad.] And with " the features he chooses to exaggerate", are you for example referring to the way the artist typically draws eyes, which could be interpreted by some as caricaturing Asians? I'd also be interested to learn what your assumptions had originally been regarding Peterson's intent and work โ assumptions which, after delving deeper, you believe turned out to be mistaken.
This, combined with the outright acts of violence and the dehumanized and almost monster-like depictions of the figures in his work led my initial assumptions to be that this was an artist commenting, in a pretty strong way, on the way that black males continue to perceived/demonized within the United States by exaggerating and therefore bringing attention to the absurdity of those particular stereotypes.
As for the Joost Swarte comparison--his mentee Stefan Glerum has produced some work that would also be considered pretty offensive here:
I don't think it has anything to do with the color of the figures and everything to do with the artistic traditions he is referencing as well as the features that he chooses to exaggerate which have a long, complicated and entangled history with race relations in this country--as reflected through art. I actually had seen his images floating around before and had made a lot of assumptions regarding the artist's intent and the statement the pieces were making, which after watching an interview with the artist and reading up on his work are, sadly very mistaken. I have to agree with Street Art Fan regarding the undertones of racism. *Edited to add: in this country meaning the U.S. where he is based. Thank you for this input. It's always very interesting for me to be forced to reconsider and rethink a subject matter I previously felt quite confident about. A welcome challenge. As a fan of Peterson's work, I myself have read a couple of his interviews in the past and watched a rather long-winded video interview. However, I've never picked up on racist undertones or even remember him making any mention of race. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by " the artistic traditions he is referencing"? [Perhaps I've been based in Europe too long, but I've always seen Peterson's characters as Joost-Swarte-figures-gone-bad.] And with " the features he chooses to exaggerate", are you for example referring to the way the artist typically draws eyes, which could be interpreted by some as caricaturing Asians? I'd also be interested to learn what your assumptions had originally been regarding Peterson's intent and work โ assumptions which, after delving deeper, you believe turned out to be mistaken. Sure! Peterson's work appears to be heavily influenced (at least to me) by old lino-cuts, etchings and illustrations from the 1800s (such as Samuel Wood, William Blake and the etchings in Uncle Tom's Cabin). All of his figures are exaggerated with bulging muscles, large lips, and ears as was often the case in the old sambo illustrations. Peterson does a slightly less cartoonish version of this but the reference, as well as the reference to African black and white line art, and the violent way africans and african americans were depicted in early american art seemed a pretty solid reference to me. This, combined with the outright acts of violence and the dehumanized and almost monster-like depictions of the figures in his work led my initial assumptions to be that this was an artist commenting, in a pretty strong way, on the way that black males continue to perceived/demonized within the United States by exaggerating and therefore bringing attention to the absurdity of those particular stereotypes. As for the Joost Swarte comparison--his mentee Stefan Glerum has produced some work that would also be considered pretty offensive here: |
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by lvanhoe on Aug 1, 2014 17:50:56 GMT 1, Damien Hirst. I just can't connect the dots there.
Damien Hirst. I just can't connect the dots there.
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Momo
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Momo on Sept 2, 2014 20:02:25 GMT 1, Can anyone elaborate on what Lister is doing/does that so catches the imagination of so many on here??
Can anyone elaborate on what Lister is doing/does that so catches the imagination of so many on here??
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 20:14:15 GMT 1, Can anyone elaborate on what Lister is doing/does that so catches the imagination of so many on here??
Can anyone elaborate on what Lister is doing/does that so catches the imagination of so many on here?? I like the newer prints he's released - abstract sketches of pretty ladies, hand painted with watercolors. very subtle. not a fan of his superhero stuff though |
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by South Bound on Sept 3, 2014 1:00:38 GMT 1, Can anyone elaborate on what Lister is doing/does that so catches the imagination of so many on here??
I really like Lister's new stuff. For me his portraits of Strippers (forgive me if I am incorrect) is An insight into the mind of women who use their bodies for visual stimulation (the lines of the print) while exhibiting there inner emotion with the use of the watercolor... Anger (red) playfulness (skin color w/ pinkish hue), green (sickness), etc.
To be honest I find these to be sad (emotionally speaking) charecter studies.
If they are not supposed to be strippers then I am uttering total drivel 
Can anyone elaborate on what Lister is doing/does that so catches the imagination of so many on here?? I really like Lister's new stuff. For me his portraits of Strippers (forgive me if I am incorrect) is An insight into the mind of women who use their bodies for visual stimulation (the lines of the print) while exhibiting there inner emotion with the use of the watercolor... Anger (red) playfulness (skin color w/ pinkish hue), green (sickness), etc. To be honest I find these to be sad (emotionally speaking) charecter studies. If they are not supposed to be strippers then I am uttering total drivel |
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Momo on Sept 3, 2014 11:38:25 GMT 1, Can anyone elaborate on what Lister is doing/does that so catches the imagination of so many on here?? I really like Lister's new stuff. For me his portraits of Strippers (forgive me if I am incorrect) is An insight into the mind of women who use their bodies for visual stimulation (the lines of the print) while exhibiting there inner emotion with the use of the watercolor... Anger (red) playfulness (skin color w/ pinkish hue), green (sickness), etc. To be honest I find these to be sad (emotionally speaking) charecter studies. If they are not supposed to be strippers then I am uttering total drivel
Is that just one set of drawings though, he has done tonnes of drawings and walls, Jaesus he is drawing Star wars toys at the moment.. What does his style present with its fluid but eratic quality? Is there a thought process behind subject matter or a message? Is colour as important at explaining his message if he uses the colour of the subject?
Can anyone elaborate on what Lister is doing/does that so catches the imagination of so many on here?? I really like Lister's new stuff. For me his portraits of Strippers (forgive me if I am incorrect) is An insight into the mind of women who use their bodies for visual stimulation (the lines of the print) while exhibiting there inner emotion with the use of the watercolor... Anger (red) playfulness (skin color w/ pinkish hue), green (sickness), etc. To be honest I find these to be sad (emotionally speaking) charecter studies. If they are not supposed to be strippers then I am uttering total drivel Is that just one set of drawings though, he has done tonnes of drawings and walls, Jaesus he is drawing Star wars toys at the moment.. What does his style present with its fluid but eratic quality? Is there a thought process behind subject matter or a message? Is colour as important at explaining his message if he uses the colour of the subject? |
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by South Bound on Sept 3, 2014 13:24:16 GMT 1, I really like Lister's new stuff. For me his portraits of Strippers (forgive me if I am incorrect) is An insight into the mind of women who use their bodies for visual stimulation (the lines of the print) while exhibiting there inner emotion with the use of the watercolor... Anger (red) playfulness (skin color w/ pinkish hue), green (sickness), etc. To be honest I find these to be sad (emotionally speaking) charecter studies. If they are not supposed to be strippers then I am uttering total drivel Is that just one set of drawings though, he has done tonnes of drawings and walls, Jaesus he is drawing Star wars toys at the moment.. What does his style present with its fluid but eratic quality? Is there a thought process behind subject matter or a message? Is colour as important at explaining his message if he uses the colour of the subject?
I agree with you on the superhero / star wars thing but there are also a fair amount of other artists where I only like a portion of their work.
Being fairly new to Lister, my main exposure has been the wall murals he has done of female portraits which to me are in the same vain as the stripper series. They are impressionistic views of women, using line to contrast the physical being with emotion he is portraying with color.
I would love to continue this conversation (I dig this type of convo), but would probably need a little more time to give you a more detailed response... I got kids and work to go deal with. If I can I'll write more later.
I really like Lister's new stuff. For me his portraits of Strippers (forgive me if I am incorrect) is An insight into the mind of women who use their bodies for visual stimulation (the lines of the print) while exhibiting there inner emotion with the use of the watercolor... Anger (red) playfulness (skin color w/ pinkish hue), green (sickness), etc. To be honest I find these to be sad (emotionally speaking) charecter studies. If they are not supposed to be strippers then I am uttering total drivel Is that just one set of drawings though, he has done tonnes of drawings and walls, Jaesus he is drawing Star wars toys at the moment.. What does his style present with its fluid but eratic quality? Is there a thought process behind subject matter or a message? Is colour as important at explaining his message if he uses the colour of the subject? I agree with you on the superhero / star wars thing but there are also a fair amount of other artists where I only like a portion of their work. Being fairly new to Lister, my main exposure has been the wall murals he has done of female portraits which to me are in the same vain as the stripper series. They are impressionistic views of women, using line to contrast the physical being with emotion he is portraying with color. I would love to continue this conversation (I dig this type of convo), but would probably need a little more time to give you a more detailed response... I got kids and work to go deal with. If I can I'll write more later. |
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by t3c on Sept 3, 2014 14:26:49 GMT 1, Another one for Kaws, i just don't get it. Nice early street pieces...print wise not for me
Another one for Kaws, i just don't get it. Nice early street pieces...print wise not for me
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 14:41:14 GMT 1, nick walker. jesus christ - do people really buy this stuff cos they like it ?
nick walker. jesus christ - do people really buy this stuff cos they like it ?
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Momo
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Momo on Sept 3, 2014 15:08:12 GMT 1, Is that just one set of drawings though, he has done tonnes of drawings and walls, Jaesus he is drawing Star wars toys at the moment.. What does his style present with its fluid but eratic quality? Is there a thought process behind subject matter or a message? Is colour as important at explaining his message if he uses the colour of the subject? I agree with you on the superhero / star wars thing but there are also a fair amount of other artists where I only like a portion of their work. Being fairly new to Lister, my main exposure has been the wall murals he has done of female portraits which to me are in the same vain as the stripper series. They are impressionistic views of women, using line to contrast the physical being with emotion he is portraying with color. I would love to continue this conversation (I dig this type of convo), but would probably need a little more time to give you a more detailed response... I got kids and work to go deal with. If I can I'll write more later.
Well I really do appreciate you taking the time to respond to me, enjoying your explanation of what it is you see in his work and the same to @federationofideas but still haven't sold me yet haha...
I just don't understand the global appreciation for his work..
Is that just one set of drawings though, he has done tonnes of drawings and walls, Jaesus he is drawing Star wars toys at the moment.. What does his style present with its fluid but eratic quality? Is there a thought process behind subject matter or a message? Is colour as important at explaining his message if he uses the colour of the subject? I agree with you on the superhero / star wars thing but there are also a fair amount of other artists where I only like a portion of their work. Being fairly new to Lister, my main exposure has been the wall murals he has done of female portraits which to me are in the same vain as the stripper series. They are impressionistic views of women, using line to contrast the physical being with emotion he is portraying with color. I would love to continue this conversation (I dig this type of convo), but would probably need a little more time to give you a more detailed response... I got kids and work to go deal with. If I can I'll write more later. Well I really do appreciate you taking the time to respond to me, enjoying your explanation of what it is you see in his work and the same to @federationofideas but still haven't sold me yet haha... I just don't understand the global appreciation for his work.. |
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 15:09:47 GMT 1, I agree with you on the superhero / star wars thing but there are also a fair amount of other artists where I only like a portion of their work. Being fairly new to Lister, my main exposure has been the wall murals he has done of female portraits which to me are in the same vain as the stripper series. They are impressionistic views of women, using line to contrast the physical being with emotion he is portraying with color. I would love to continue this conversation (I dig this type of convo), but would probably need a little more time to give you a more detailed response... I got kids and work to go deal with. If I can I'll write more later. Well I really do appreciate you taking the time to respond to me, enjoying your explanation of what it is you see in his work and the same to @federationofideas but still haven't sold me yet haha... I just don't understand the global appreciation for his work.. 
I agree with you on the superhero / star wars thing but there are also a fair amount of other artists where I only like a portion of their work. Being fairly new to Lister, my main exposure has been the wall murals he has done of female portraits which to me are in the same vain as the stripper series. They are impressionistic views of women, using line to contrast the physical being with emotion he is portraying with color. I would love to continue this conversation (I dig this type of convo), but would probably need a little more time to give you a more detailed response... I got kids and work to go deal with. If I can I'll write more later. Well I really do appreciate you taking the time to respond to me, enjoying your explanation of what it is you see in his work and the same to @federationofideas but still haven't sold me yet haha... I just don't understand the global appreciation for his work.. no need to apologize. Everyone has their own tastes |
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