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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Momo on May 27, 2014 17:18:53 GMT 1, As I am compared to most (if not all) of you, a complete novice, there are artists and works I just don't "get" and I seem to be missing something with. (I hypothesize that I can't be alone in this and that others are also sitting at the back of the class with dunse caps on not having a clue) Thus I have created this thread and hope those with knowledge can impart it and those completely bewildered in some areas won't hesitate to ask.
I understand first and foremost art and art appreciation and collecting is about what draws you in and what you like, I also believe that being educated on it should be enjoyable too and can open up a new appreciation, and lenses from which to view an artist and their work.
Furthermore I will start off this thread with 1 particular artist, that for me I feel I just havn't "got" my head around yet but hope you can help me to:
KAWS:
OK, so he was an animator and illustrator and has built on his past in that world?? Has he a particular message or goal with his work? He uses the Xs for the eyes to represent death.? what is the death? is it childhood or for something those characters stood for but now don't? am I reading too strongly into this? the ears??? what's with them or is that a stylistic signiture ( oh a Kaws)??
I have to say that I really enjoy the toys and sculptures, but I don't get his prints and paintings. A lot seem to be close ups but why? like, is he showing us something or removing something?
(not a great example but 1 that comes to mind of a piece of his is the spongebob prints)
As I am compared to most (if not all) of you, a complete novice, there are artists and works I just don't "get" and I seem to be missing something with. (I hypothesize that I can't be alone in this and that others are also sitting at the back of the class with dunse caps on not having a clue) Thus I have created this thread and hope those with knowledge can impart it and those completely bewildered in some areas won't hesitate to ask. I understand first and foremost art and art appreciation and collecting is about what draws you in and what you like, I also believe that being educated on it should be enjoyable too and can open up a new appreciation, and lenses from which to view an artist and their work. Furthermore I will start off this thread with 1 particular artist, that for me I feel I just havn't "got" my head around yet but hope you can help me to: KAWS: OK, so he was an animator and illustrator and has built on his past in that world?? Has he a particular message or goal with his work? He uses the Xs for the eyes to represent death.? what is the death? is it childhood or for something those characters stood for but now don't? am I reading too strongly into this? the ears??? what's with them or is that a stylistic signiture ( oh a Kaws)?? I have to say that I really enjoy the toys and sculptures, but I don't get his prints and paintings. A lot seem to be close ups but why? like, is he showing us something or removing something? (not a great example but 1 that comes to mind of a piece of his is the spongebob prints)
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Stoko on May 27, 2014 17:33:52 GMT 1, Agree with KAWS. Quite cute work. Thats it to me. Also Stik. Quirky street work but permanently flummoxed about the reverence given to him and the value given to his work. Each to their own though.
Agree with KAWS. Quite cute work. Thats it to me. Also Stik. Quirky street work but permanently flummoxed about the reverence given to him and the value given to his work. Each to their own though.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on May 27, 2014 17:46:36 GMT 1, Banksy. So what, he does a bit now and then, thats it. Cant even draw feet.
Banksy. So what, he does a bit now and then, thats it. Cant even draw feet.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on May 27, 2014 17:58:28 GMT 1, FFS. Im off to Aldi.
FFS. Im off to Aldi.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by djbys89 on May 27, 2014 18:06:52 GMT 1, Agree with Kaws
Agree with Kaws
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Nick
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Nick on May 27, 2014 18:11:58 GMT 1, Agree with Kaws, Don't really have any interest in Dface either for similar reasons.
Agree with Kaws, Don't really have any interest in Dface either for similar reasons.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by mmmike on May 27, 2014 19:08:10 GMT 1, A couple comments, it is pretty cool when there is an artist who's work you have seen and passed over because it didn't do much for you, then on learning a bit more about the artist, history, context or whatever it becomes compelling. There are also cases where I see something and really like it but I don't understand it or even why I like it. I guess that is what makes art interesting for me.
Then there is all the unoriginal repetitive stuff that I just find boring (Dolk, Martin Watson, MBW to name a few).
When I first saw this I wasn't impressed, now it is one of my favorite paintings
www.guggenheim.org/new-york/collections/collection-online/artwork/1180
A couple comments, it is pretty cool when there is an artist who's work you have seen and passed over because it didn't do much for you, then on learning a bit more about the artist, history, context or whatever it becomes compelling. There are also cases where I see something and really like it but I don't understand it or even why I like it. I guess that is what makes art interesting for me. Then there is all the unoriginal repetitive stuff that I just find boring (Dolk, Martin Watson, MBW to name a few). When I first saw this I wasn't impressed, now it is one of my favorite paintings www.guggenheim.org/new-york/collections/collection-online/artwork/1180
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on May 27, 2014 21:34:17 GMT 1, Go for what you like.
Or if buying as an investment, go for what has the most financial potential.
It's as simple as that.
Art as something to enjoy or art as a comoddity.
Go for what you like.
Or if buying as an investment, go for what has the most financial potential.
It's as simple as that.
Art as something to enjoy or art as a comoddity.
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Momo
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Momo on May 27, 2014 21:48:45 GMT 1, Go for what you like. Or if buying as an investment, go for what has the most financial potential. It's as simple as that. Art as something to enjoy or art as a comoddity. I agree but thats not what I was saying or asking wit the thread.
As mmmike was saying its about finding out more about the artists that just don't click for you in the hope you can reassess how you view the work.
Also standing up and saying "Oh s**t I never understood the hype either, your not alone"
Go for what you like. Or if buying as an investment, go for what has the most financial potential. It's as simple as that. Art as something to enjoy or art as a comoddity. I agree but thats not what I was saying or asking wit the thread. As mmmike was saying its about finding out more about the artists that just don't click for you in the hope you can reassess how you view the work. Also standing up and saying "Oh s**t I never understood the hype either, your not alone"
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on May 27, 2014 21:55:26 GMT 1, There are lots and lots of artists that many would say are just hype and promotion and overhyped and promoted as great art when it's just bland rubbish.
Emin, Hirst,Wei Wei, Rothko Warhol Koons, and others too like the Turner prize contestants.
Just dont believe the bullshit and don't buy the bullshit just because it is being spouted out of some hoi poloi or curators or rich or famous or auction house bods mouth.
You can hire a gallery and a pr agency if you have enough money who are in bed with media journous.
You can sit in that gallery swigging food dye and spit in the faces of the gallery visitors calling it art and believ it or not quite a few will fall for it.
A lot of art is nothing more than an insult and sticking two fingers up to the public as in the case of the Tate Modern and some of the crap they promote.
There are lots and lots of artists that many would say are just hype and promotion and overhyped and promoted as great art when it's just bland rubbish.
Emin, Hirst,Wei Wei, Rothko Warhol Koons, and others too like the Turner prize contestants.
Just dont believe the bullshit and don't buy the bullshit just because it is being spouted out of some hoi poloi or curators or rich or famous or auction house bods mouth.
You can hire a gallery and a pr agency if you have enough money who are in bed with media journous.
You can sit in that gallery swigging food dye and spit in the faces of the gallery visitors calling it art and believ it or not quite a few will fall for it.
A lot of art is nothing more than an insult and sticking two fingers up to the public as in the case of the Tate Modern and some of the crap they promote.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on May 27, 2014 22:00:04 GMT 1, Agree with kaws, grown men with 4ft teddy bears?? It's all about the $$ been said many times on here don't jump in and buy because everyone else is thinking you will make a profit. You seem switched on, so buy what you like, Njoi...
Agree with kaws, grown men with 4ft teddy bears?? It's all about the $$ been said many times on here don't jump in and buy because everyone else is thinking you will make a profit. You seem switched on, so buy what you like, Njoi...
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Manty on May 27, 2014 22:09:50 GMT 1, There are lots and lots of artists that many would say are just hype and promotion and overhyped and promoted as great art when it's just bland rubbish. Emin, Hirst,Wei Wei, Rothko Warhol Koons, and others too like the Turner prize contestants. Just dont believe the bulls**t and don't buy the bulls**t just because it is being spouted out of some hoi poloi or curators or rich or famous or auction house bods mouth. You can hire a gallery and a pr agency if you have enough money who are in bed with media journous. You can sit in that gallery swigging food dye and spit in the faces of the gallery visitors calling it art and believ it or not quite a few will fall for it. A lot of art is nothing more than an insult and sticking two fingers up to the public as in the case of the Tate Modern and some of the crap they promote.
What art do you like?
what artists work floats your boat?
There are lots and lots of artists that many would say are just hype and promotion and overhyped and promoted as great art when it's just bland rubbish. Emin, Hirst,Wei Wei, Rothko Warhol Koons, and others too like the Turner prize contestants. Just dont believe the bulls**t and don't buy the bulls**t just because it is being spouted out of some hoi poloi or curators or rich or famous or auction house bods mouth. You can hire a gallery and a pr agency if you have enough money who are in bed with media journous. You can sit in that gallery swigging food dye and spit in the faces of the gallery visitors calling it art and believ it or not quite a few will fall for it. A lot of art is nothing more than an insult and sticking two fingers up to the public as in the case of the Tate Modern and some of the crap they promote. What art do you like? what artists work floats your boat?
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Gard on May 27, 2014 22:13:12 GMT 1, There's three artists in this world I'm having a really hard time understanding. It's Alexander Calder, Lucio Fontana and Donald Judd. All very minimalistic, and I can't figure out how they become this popular, I've to read more.
There's three artists in this world I'm having a really hard time understanding. It's Alexander Calder, Lucio Fontana and Donald Judd. All very minimalistic, and I can't figure out how they become this popular, I've to read more.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by sky8888 on May 27, 2014 22:16:57 GMT 1, I haven't discovered the genius of Rothko yet
The way people talk about it is on a whole other level to what I see.. I'm waiting for the hit!
I haven't discovered the genius of Rothko yet
The way people talk about it is on a whole other level to what I see.. I'm waiting for the hit!
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on May 27, 2014 23:14:09 GMT 1, there are tons of artist who aren't my favorite, but I can understand why others would like them... but that would be a whole different topic/thread
there are tons of artist who aren't my favorite, but I can understand why others would like them... but that would be a whole different topic/thread
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Marlene Arts on May 27, 2014 23:16:02 GMT 1, there are tons of artist who aren't my favorite, but I can understand why others would like them... but that would be a whole different topic/thread I agree with you. Not everyone has the same taste.
there are tons of artist who aren't my favorite, but I can understand why others would like them... but that would be a whole different topic/thread I agree with you. Not everyone has the same taste.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Street Art Fan on May 27, 2014 23:17:07 GMT 1, Cleon Peterson.
I have never understood his appeal; his works seem pretty racist to me. I've tried giving him the benefit of the doubt, rationalizing that he's trying to provoke a discussion about the stereotypical images of blacks and violence in the media. But then I realize that would give him too much credit: nowhere in interviews I've read does he display this kind of awareness. In fact, he has said that his images simply depict violence in society, and are meant to be somewhat humorous.
What am I missing?
Cleon Peterson.
I have never understood his appeal; his works seem pretty racist to me. I've tried giving him the benefit of the doubt, rationalizing that he's trying to provoke a discussion about the stereotypical images of blacks and violence in the media. But then I realize that would give him too much credit: nowhere in interviews I've read does he display this kind of awareness. In fact, he has said that his images simply depict violence in society, and are meant to be somewhat humorous.
What am I missing?
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by kultur on May 28, 2014 0:44:54 GMT 1, Really... why is this a thread. If you do not get an artist and then take the time to write about them on the forum isnt that what you are missing?
Really... why is this a thread. If you do not get an artist and then take the time to write about them on the forum isnt that what you are missing?
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sky8888
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by sky8888 on May 28, 2014 0:51:51 GMT 1, Really... why is this a thread. If you do not get an artist and then take the time to write about them on the forum isnt that what you are missing?
Nothing wrong with wanting to learn more to appreciate things
Really... why is this a thread. If you do not get an artist and then take the time to write about them on the forum isnt that what you are missing? Nothing wrong with wanting to learn more to appreciate things
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by bullysonzx10r on May 28, 2014 1:36:38 GMT 1, I haven't discovered the genius of Rothko yet The way people talk about it is on a whole other level to what I see.. I'm waiting for the hit! I felt the same way about Rothko until I started to read further into his history. Most people only know of his color field work. He had several very distinct periods with completely different styles through all of the periods. He was also very successful in most of the periods as well, but not Iconic.
Once he hit the color field period, his paintings became so simple yet insanely complex (getting consistent deep color out of oil paintings can be very difficult.) sure it looks like 2-3 blocks of color that mean nothing at all, but track it. In his early color field period his colors were vibrant and full of life. As he started to get famous for it, he started to hate his fame, and started to fall deeply into depression. Go sit in the room in the Tate that is filled with his paintings that were meant to be commissioned for the four seasons restaurant. Tell me you don't find pure depression and sorrow in those paintings. Look at the date and you'll realize they were finished very close to his eventual suicide.
Here is an artist that was successful in different styles of art over a long period of time, and took the chance to do something completely different, succeeded at it, and hated his success so much that death was the only escape.
i get passionate about Rothko and I don't know nearly enough about him to do so. I almost knocked out an idiot in the centre Pompidou who was trying to impress his lady friend by stopping at a Rothko and saying "this guy was the poster boy for ring a 1 trick pony!"
I haven't discovered the genius of Rothko yet The way people talk about it is on a whole other level to what I see.. I'm waiting for the hit! I felt the same way about Rothko until I started to read further into his history. Most people only know of his color field work. He had several very distinct periods with completely different styles through all of the periods. He was also very successful in most of the periods as well, but not Iconic. Once he hit the color field period, his paintings became so simple yet insanely complex (getting consistent deep color out of oil paintings can be very difficult.) sure it looks like 2-3 blocks of color that mean nothing at all, but track it. In his early color field period his colors were vibrant and full of life. As he started to get famous for it, he started to hate his fame, and started to fall deeply into depression. Go sit in the room in the Tate that is filled with his paintings that were meant to be commissioned for the four seasons restaurant. Tell me you don't find pure depression and sorrow in those paintings. Look at the date and you'll realize they were finished very close to his eventual suicide. Here is an artist that was successful in different styles of art over a long period of time, and took the chance to do something completely different, succeeded at it, and hated his success so much that death was the only escape. i get passionate about Rothko and I don't know nearly enough about him to do so. I almost knocked out an idiot in the centre Pompidou who was trying to impress his lady friend by stopping at a Rothko and saying "this guy was the poster boy for ring a 1 trick pony!"
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by graffuturism on May 28, 2014 1:53:32 GMT 1, As I am compared to most (if not all) of you, a complete novice, there are artists and works I just don't "get" and I seem to be missing something with. (I hypothesize that I can't be alone in this and that others are also sitting at the back of the class with dunse caps on not having a clue) Thus I have created this thread and hope those with knowledge can impart it and those completely bewildered in some areas won't hesitate to ask. I understand first and foremost art and art appreciation and collecting is about what draws you in and what you like, I also believe that being educated on it should be enjoyable too and can open up a new appreciation, and lenses from which to view an artist and their work. Furthermore I will start off this thread with 1 particular artist, that for me I feel I just havn't "got" my head around yet but hope you can help me to: KAWS: OK, so he was an animator and illustrator and has built on his past in that world?? Has he a particular message or goal with his work? He uses the Xs for the eyes to represent death.? what is the death? is it childhood or for something those characters stood for but now don't? am I reading too strongly into this? the ears??? what's with them or is that a stylistic signiture ( oh a Kaws)?? I have to say that I really enjoy the toys and sculptures, but I don't get his prints and paintings. A lot seem to be close ups but why? like, is he showing us something or removing something? (not a great example but 1 that comes to mind of a piece of his is the spongebob prints) I think its tough to answer all these questions with an artist like kaws who has been around for awhile and his art has changed over the past decade. I also dont think there are always simple answers for questions like this, as there at times are multiple reasons an artist might do something. Artists also start with an idea that changes into something different as the image and artist evolve. Kaws I think is a perfect example of this progression aesthetically that started with graffiti, yet evolved into a more mature style influenced by his personal experiences but not relying on his past. Your best bet is to google interviews where the artist talks about his work in order to get a better grasp of what he might or was saying at a particular point in his career. Here is a recent talk with the artist that gives some insight into his beginnings.
As I am compared to most (if not all) of you, a complete novice, there are artists and works I just don't "get" and I seem to be missing something with. (I hypothesize that I can't be alone in this and that others are also sitting at the back of the class with dunse caps on not having a clue) Thus I have created this thread and hope those with knowledge can impart it and those completely bewildered in some areas won't hesitate to ask. I understand first and foremost art and art appreciation and collecting is about what draws you in and what you like, I also believe that being educated on it should be enjoyable too and can open up a new appreciation, and lenses from which to view an artist and their work. Furthermore I will start off this thread with 1 particular artist, that for me I feel I just havn't "got" my head around yet but hope you can help me to: KAWS: OK, so he was an animator and illustrator and has built on his past in that world?? Has he a particular message or goal with his work? He uses the Xs for the eyes to represent death.? what is the death? is it childhood or for something those characters stood for but now don't? am I reading too strongly into this? the ears??? what's with them or is that a stylistic signiture ( oh a Kaws)?? I have to say that I really enjoy the toys and sculptures, but I don't get his prints and paintings. A lot seem to be close ups but why? like, is he showing us something or removing something? (not a great example but 1 that comes to mind of a piece of his is the spongebob prints) I think its tough to answer all these questions with an artist like kaws who has been around for awhile and his art has changed over the past decade. I also dont think there are always simple answers for questions like this, as there at times are multiple reasons an artist might do something. Artists also start with an idea that changes into something different as the image and artist evolve. Kaws I think is a perfect example of this progression aesthetically that started with graffiti, yet evolved into a more mature style influenced by his personal experiences but not relying on his past. Your best bet is to google interviews where the artist talks about his work in order to get a better grasp of what he might or was saying at a particular point in his career. Here is a recent talk with the artist that gives some insight into his beginnings.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on May 28, 2014 3:05:11 GMT 1, 'mature' pffffffft
'mature' pffffffft
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by lee3 on May 28, 2014 4:11:39 GMT 1, There's three artists in this world I'm having a really hard time understanding. It's Alexander Calder, Lucio Fontana and Donald Judd. All very minimalistic, and I can't figure out how they become this popular, I've to read more. 3 of my favorites to be honest and certainly in Calder's case the barometer of the wider art market. All 3 are worth reading up on but what they share in common is a strong sense of communication/story telling with their art and their audience.
Calder is one of the cooler revolutions in art. At the turn of the 20th century you had the fauve movement changing the way the world viewed and thought about art and really the inception to the contemporary market as we look at it today. Do you like Mondrian? Mondrian, for those who don't know, used white and black paint and tape to make grids and city streets accentuated with primary colors which gives a very bona fide effect of movement when you are standing in front of his work. It had a profound effect on Calder in the 30s who carried that conversation a step further with his mobiles. It's no coincidence that most of his mobiles share the 3 most common primary colors that his mentor, piet mondrian, used to communicate motion in 2 dimensional paintings. Calder took that principle a step further into the 3d mobiles that many of us admire to this day. Not to downplay his watercolors or sculpture but for me personally it's the mobiles and recognizing the talent of his day to carry the conversation further than ever before.
In the case of Fontana, I was right with you until i studied the work about a decade ago. It always seemed simplistic to me but then i learned it was flying way over my head. His art is mostly a reflection of the space age. Again, bold primary colors with slits/knife marks down the middle to represent a hole to another dimension and to wonder what lies beyond? Radical at the time and somewhat tame by today's standards but with hindsight among the defining art of that period. As a species we werere racing into orbit and visiting the moon and you had artists begin to wonder where it all might lead and trying to communicate that in their work. Oversimplifying it for the thread but do read up on his egg sculptures as they're awesome.
Judd more than the other pair owes more to the fauve artists because it's so conceptual. Sorry for jumping all over the place but fauve (brief period from 1905-09 ish from memory) was when artists began to mess with compositions. Humans had green faces and skies were painted purple. So the multi century practice of portraits and landscapes with dreamy or pristine accuracy was drawing to a close. Fauve bridged the gap between reproduction and radical departure and spoon fed the birth of cubism. They look old by today's standards but were revolutionary in their day and Judd carried the conversation further with his minimalist stacks that for the time were radical because they were neither paintings nor (recognizable) sculpture like everything else up to that point. The better stacks appearance wise are true goose bump art which is why they command what they do.
Sorry for the longwinded post but i like this thread. I don't get a lot of the artists mentioned either but the three you mentioned are infamous because they changed the conversation between artist and public. At its most basic, this is all story telling anyway and the best story tellers that communicate the most gorgeous or shocking stories are the ones we and history remember.
Like others in this thread, I don't see the story being told differently by many of today's artists either but very possible that too is flying way over my head. What's amazing to me is just how weird art has gotten in a matter of 110 years and to wonder where it goes from here? But, the fact is not lost on me that art is very hot right now and it's a tiny fraction of the artists that the world is celebrating today who will be remembered tomorrow for using similar tools as the artists before them to communicate in a bold new way with their audience.
There's three artists in this world I'm having a really hard time understanding. It's Alexander Calder, Lucio Fontana and Donald Judd. All very minimalistic, and I can't figure out how they become this popular, I've to read more. 3 of my favorites to be honest and certainly in Calder's case the barometer of the wider art market. All 3 are worth reading up on but what they share in common is a strong sense of communication/story telling with their art and their audience. Calder is one of the cooler revolutions in art. At the turn of the 20th century you had the fauve movement changing the way the world viewed and thought about art and really the inception to the contemporary market as we look at it today. Do you like Mondrian? Mondrian, for those who don't know, used white and black paint and tape to make grids and city streets accentuated with primary colors which gives a very bona fide effect of movement when you are standing in front of his work. It had a profound effect on Calder in the 30s who carried that conversation a step further with his mobiles. It's no coincidence that most of his mobiles share the 3 most common primary colors that his mentor, piet mondrian, used to communicate motion in 2 dimensional paintings. Calder took that principle a step further into the 3d mobiles that many of us admire to this day. Not to downplay his watercolors or sculpture but for me personally it's the mobiles and recognizing the talent of his day to carry the conversation further than ever before. In the case of Fontana, I was right with you until i studied the work about a decade ago. It always seemed simplistic to me but then i learned it was flying way over my head. His art is mostly a reflection of the space age. Again, bold primary colors with slits/knife marks down the middle to represent a hole to another dimension and to wonder what lies beyond? Radical at the time and somewhat tame by today's standards but with hindsight among the defining art of that period. As a species we werere racing into orbit and visiting the moon and you had artists begin to wonder where it all might lead and trying to communicate that in their work. Oversimplifying it for the thread but do read up on his egg sculptures as they're awesome. Judd more than the other pair owes more to the fauve artists because it's so conceptual. Sorry for jumping all over the place but fauve (brief period from 1905-09 ish from memory) was when artists began to mess with compositions. Humans had green faces and skies were painted purple. So the multi century practice of portraits and landscapes with dreamy or pristine accuracy was drawing to a close. Fauve bridged the gap between reproduction and radical departure and spoon fed the birth of cubism. They look old by today's standards but were revolutionary in their day and Judd carried the conversation further with his minimalist stacks that for the time were radical because they were neither paintings nor (recognizable) sculpture like everything else up to that point. The better stacks appearance wise are true goose bump art which is why they command what they do. Sorry for the longwinded post but i like this thread. I don't get a lot of the artists mentioned either but the three you mentioned are infamous because they changed the conversation between artist and public. At its most basic, this is all story telling anyway and the best story tellers that communicate the most gorgeous or shocking stories are the ones we and history remember. Like others in this thread, I don't see the story being told differently by many of today's artists either but very possible that too is flying way over my head. What's amazing to me is just how weird art has gotten in a matter of 110 years and to wonder where it goes from here? But, the fact is not lost on me that art is very hot right now and it's a tiny fraction of the artists that the world is celebrating today who will be remembered tomorrow for using similar tools as the artists before them to communicate in a bold new way with their audience.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on May 28, 2014 9:25:12 GMT 1, I don't get Stik either or Invader beyond the actual Space Invader street pieces.
There are many artists where I appreciate what they're doing but wouldn't want it on my walls but I struggle with those two...
I don't get Stik either or Invader beyond the actual Space Invader street pieces.
There are many artists where I appreciate what they're doing but wouldn't want it on my walls but I struggle with those two...
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Momo on May 28, 2014 11:13:52 GMT 1, As I am compared to most (if not all) of you, a complete novice, there are artists and works I just don't "get" and I seem to be missing something with. (I hypothesize that I can't be alone in this and that others are also sitting at the back of the class with dunse caps on not having a clue) Thus I have created this thread and hope those with knowledge can impart it and those completely bewildered in some areas won't hesitate to ask. I understand first and foremost art and art appreciation and collecting is about what draws you in and what you like, I also believe that being educated on it should be enjoyable too and can open up a new appreciation, and lenses from which to view an artist and their work. Furthermore I will start off this thread with 1 particular artist, that for me I feel I just havn't "got" my head around yet but hope you can help me to: KAWS: OK, so he was an animator and illustrator and has built on his past in that world?? Has he a particular message or goal with his work? He uses the Xs for the eyes to represent death.? what is the death? is it childhood or for something those characters stood for but now don't? am I reading too strongly into this? the ears??? what's with them or is that a stylistic signiture ( oh a Kaws)?? I have to say that I really enjoy the toys and sculptures, but I don't get his prints and paintings. A lot seem to be close ups but why? like, is he showing us something or removing something? (not a great example but 1 that comes to mind of a piece of his is the spongebob prints) I think its tough to answer all these questions with an artist like kaws who has been around for awhile and his art has changed over the past decade. I also dont think there are always simple answers for questions like this, as there at times are multiple reasons an artist might do something. Artists also start with an idea that changes into something different as the image and artist evolve. Kaws I think is a perfect example of this progression aesthetically that started with graffiti, yet evolved into a more mature style influenced by his personal experiences but not relying on his past. Your best bet is to google interviews where the artist talks about his work in order to get a better grasp of what he might or was saying at a particular point in his career. Here is a recent talk with the artist that gives some insight into his beginnings.
Thanks man, much appreciated
As I am compared to most (if not all) of you, a complete novice, there are artists and works I just don't "get" and I seem to be missing something with. (I hypothesize that I can't be alone in this and that others are also sitting at the back of the class with dunse caps on not having a clue) Thus I have created this thread and hope those with knowledge can impart it and those completely bewildered in some areas won't hesitate to ask. I understand first and foremost art and art appreciation and collecting is about what draws you in and what you like, I also believe that being educated on it should be enjoyable too and can open up a new appreciation, and lenses from which to view an artist and their work. Furthermore I will start off this thread with 1 particular artist, that for me I feel I just havn't "got" my head around yet but hope you can help me to: KAWS: OK, so he was an animator and illustrator and has built on his past in that world?? Has he a particular message or goal with his work? He uses the Xs for the eyes to represent death.? what is the death? is it childhood or for something those characters stood for but now don't? am I reading too strongly into this? the ears??? what's with them or is that a stylistic signiture ( oh a Kaws)?? I have to say that I really enjoy the toys and sculptures, but I don't get his prints and paintings. A lot seem to be close ups but why? like, is he showing us something or removing something? (not a great example but 1 that comes to mind of a piece of his is the spongebob prints) I think its tough to answer all these questions with an artist like kaws who has been around for awhile and his art has changed over the past decade. I also dont think there are always simple answers for questions like this, as there at times are multiple reasons an artist might do something. Artists also start with an idea that changes into something different as the image and artist evolve. Kaws I think is a perfect example of this progression aesthetically that started with graffiti, yet evolved into a more mature style influenced by his personal experiences but not relying on his past. Your best bet is to google interviews where the artist talks about his work in order to get a better grasp of what he might or was saying at a particular point in his career. Here is a recent talk with the artist that gives some insight into his beginnings. Thanks man, much appreciated
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Momo on May 28, 2014 11:14:02 GMT 1, As I am compared to most (if not all) of you, a complete novice, there are artists and works I just don't "get" and I seem to be missing something with. (I hypothesize that I can't be alone in this and that others are also sitting at the back of the class with dunse caps on not having a clue) Thus I have created this thread and hope those with knowledge can impart it and those completely bewildered in some areas won't hesitate to ask. I understand first and foremost art and art appreciation and collecting is about what draws you in and what you like, I also believe that being educated on it should be enjoyable too and can open up a new appreciation, and lenses from which to view an artist and their work. Furthermore I will start off this thread with 1 particular artist, that for me I feel I just havn't "got" my head around yet but hope you can help me to: KAWS: OK, so he was an animator and illustrator and has built on his past in that world?? Has he a particular message or goal with his work? He uses the Xs for the eyes to represent death.? what is the death? is it childhood or for something those characters stood for but now don't? am I reading too strongly into this? the ears??? what's with them or is that a stylistic signiture ( oh a Kaws)?? I have to say that I really enjoy the toys and sculptures, but I don't get his prints and paintings. A lot seem to be close ups but why? like, is he showing us something or removing something? (not a great example but 1 that comes to mind of a piece of his is the spongebob prints) I think its tough to answer all these questions with an artist like kaws who has been around for awhile and his art has changed over the past decade. I also dont think there are always simple answers for questions like this, as there at times are multiple reasons an artist might do something. Artists also start with an idea that changes into something different as the image and artist evolve. Kaws I think is a perfect example of this progression aesthetically that started with graffiti, yet evolved into a more mature style influenced by his personal experiences but not relying on his past. Your best bet is to google interviews where the artist talks about his work in order to get a better grasp of what he might or was saying at a particular point in his career. Here is a recent talk with the artist that gives some insight into his beginnings.
Thanks man, much appreciated
As I am compared to most (if not all) of you, a complete novice, there are artists and works I just don't "get" and I seem to be missing something with. (I hypothesize that I can't be alone in this and that others are also sitting at the back of the class with dunse caps on not having a clue) Thus I have created this thread and hope those with knowledge can impart it and those completely bewildered in some areas won't hesitate to ask. I understand first and foremost art and art appreciation and collecting is about what draws you in and what you like, I also believe that being educated on it should be enjoyable too and can open up a new appreciation, and lenses from which to view an artist and their work. Furthermore I will start off this thread with 1 particular artist, that for me I feel I just havn't "got" my head around yet but hope you can help me to: KAWS: OK, so he was an animator and illustrator and has built on his past in that world?? Has he a particular message or goal with his work? He uses the Xs for the eyes to represent death.? what is the death? is it childhood or for something those characters stood for but now don't? am I reading too strongly into this? the ears??? what's with them or is that a stylistic signiture ( oh a Kaws)?? I have to say that I really enjoy the toys and sculptures, but I don't get his prints and paintings. A lot seem to be close ups but why? like, is he showing us something or removing something? (not a great example but 1 that comes to mind of a piece of his is the spongebob prints) I think its tough to answer all these questions with an artist like kaws who has been around for awhile and his art has changed over the past decade. I also dont think there are always simple answers for questions like this, as there at times are multiple reasons an artist might do something. Artists also start with an idea that changes into something different as the image and artist evolve. Kaws I think is a perfect example of this progression aesthetically that started with graffiti, yet evolved into a more mature style influenced by his personal experiences but not relying on his past. Your best bet is to google interviews where the artist talks about his work in order to get a better grasp of what he might or was saying at a particular point in his career. Here is a recent talk with the artist that gives some insight into his beginnings. Thanks man, much appreciated
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on May 29, 2014 11:16:18 GMT 1, Stik, KAWS, Os Gemeos.
Ones just a stick man, the other looks like a toy and the last looks like a badly drawn Simpsons cartoon character.
I just don't get them at all but each to their own and good luck to them : )
Stik, KAWS, Os Gemeos.
Ones just a stick man, the other looks like a toy and the last looks like a badly drawn Simpsons cartoon character.
I just don't get them at all but each to their own and good luck to them : )
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by met on Jul 23, 2014 22:33:30 GMT 1, Cleon Peterson. I have never understood his appeal; his works seem pretty racist to me. I've tried giving him the benefit of the doubt, rationalizing that he's trying to provoke a discussion about the stereotypical images of blacks and violence in the media. But then I realize that would give him too much credit: nowhere in interviews I've read does he display this kind of awareness. In fact, he has said that his images simply depict violence in society, and are meant to be somewhat humorous. What am I missing? Racist?
Do you see the figures Cleon Peterson paints black as being racial depictions? Representations of black people?
If so, then I believe you've seriously misunderstood the work. Peterson has also painted some of his characters red, but they're not intended to be Native Americans.
It would be safer and more accurate to view the figures in black as simply being symbolic of dark forces, evil or malevolence.
Cleon Peterson. I have never understood his appeal; his works seem pretty racist to me. I've tried giving him the benefit of the doubt, rationalizing that he's trying to provoke a discussion about the stereotypical images of blacks and violence in the media. But then I realize that would give him too much credit: nowhere in interviews I've read does he display this kind of awareness. In fact, he has said that his images simply depict violence in society, and are meant to be somewhat humorous. What am I missing? Racist? Do you see the figures Cleon Peterson paints black as being racial depictions? Representations of black people? If so, then I believe you've seriously misunderstood the work. Peterson has also painted some of his characters red, but they're not intended to be Native Americans. It would be safer and more accurate to view the figures in black as simply being symbolic of dark forces, evil or malevolence.
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Gard on Jul 24, 2014 0:18:38 GMT 1,
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The: Really? What am I missing? thread, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 0:30:46 GMT 1, Micallef, but my views have been expressed before.
Invader works as a print - but only when the image is not a street piece i.e. Scream II - iconographic pop culture images reworked as an installation & subsequent print.Street pieces as prints seem stagnant and foppish in the home
Dolk - a nice bit of lol with the Che Ouroboros thang going on- quite clever. everything else is well meh.maybe he appeals to our northern cousins ( nee Invader colonialists of this green and pleasant land)
That Brazilan lot - again, their street work is very impressive - but doesnt work as a print. An expensive fucking print to boot.
Micallef, but my views have been expressed before.
Invader works as a print - but only when the image is not a street piece i.e. Scream II - iconographic pop culture images reworked as an installation & subsequent print.Street pieces as prints seem stagnant and foppish in the home
Dolk - a nice bit of lol with the Che Ouroboros thang going on- quite clever. everything else is well meh.maybe he appeals to our northern cousins ( nee Invader colonialists of this green and pleasant land)
That Brazilan lot - again, their street work is very impressive - but doesnt work as a print. An expensive fucking print to boot.
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