Congrats! Pics when you're settled down, please

(esp. the d*face; would love to see the detail)

And I'm assuming the Invader/Retna/D*Face/Faile are now sold out?

There's a RETNA for $500 buy it now on ebay, for that guy who said he'd pay double

EDIT: this guy has every print for $500 buy it now, if you're feeling flippy.


www.ebay.com/sch/jacksonheights/m.html?item=291205749481&hash=item43cd371ae9&pt=Art_Prints&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

noooooooooooooooooo 

Yeah, even if it is humor it still gets to a point where it's a cigarette pack on your wall - that can only have a certain lifespan.

Then again, I imagine that D*face may start terrifying me after a certain period of time. We'll see.

Yup...
That was me.
500 bucks for a signed retna...
Had to do it.
Thanks for the heads up.

Hope you're right. Missed the last one by mere seconds. Congrats freezy!

Would you veteran collectors make a distinction between flippers that get prints online, and flippers that get prints at shows? I'm trying to form an opinion but I can't shake the feeling that making a quick buck online is way worse than when you've been standing in a line for hours.

Yeah I understand, I'm just trying to see where I am with this, morally. I could obviously see why someone would try to make money but I can also see why it's pretty sad to do this with art.

Very good point on flipping and the concentration of print sales in big metropolitan cities. I think standing in line flipping is a lot more work than buying online and flipping, so in some sense the buyer pays for the flipper's time invested. Also in-person purchases are not available to buyers far away so flippers selling at what I consider fair prices, like jacksonheights on Ebay, are actually providing the service that many collectors are asking for anyway. I'm in Japan, so if Obey sold me the Endless Power print at retail they would charge me $300+$166 shipping=$466 to Japan. Jacksonheights is charging me $500 + $40 shipping=$540, a nominal mark-up!

Also consider the phenomena of 'gateway' prints. Artists like Shepard Fairey and Murakami typically release their prints at below market value. As a result, a newbie with little money and good information can buy a few prints at below market and sell a few in order to afford to build the collection. So lets say there is a college student with $1200 of rent/food money in Chicago. S/he can go to Art Alliance to buy 4 prints (say Retna, Dface, Invader, Fairey) for $1200 and sell two (say Dface and Fairey) for $1000-$1200 thus being able to collect her/his long desired first Invader and Retna prints while being able to afford to keep them. The artists selling at below market increase the number of collectors. I myself would have never been able to afford to collect anything without gateway prints.

Finally, while there is a distinction between a quick flip, and buying a print for $300 now then selling it for $600 one year later (more likely to be a collector in the second case)--I'm not sure that one who flips for a profit even many years later can necessarily claim the high ground in relation to short term flippers. The late sellers still benefit from the gateway print phenomena but in a slightly different way. For instance, those fortunate/prescient enough to have collected Banksy early on benefited in a big way. No one will be upset if someone flips a Banksy bought for £500 for its current market value. If there is some sort of moral imperative to keep the art accessible, then we would flip our stuff for less than market value, even when we could clearly make a lot more. (There are those who flip at cost, God bless them, but I have yet to see anyone flip something at less than half the market value.)

We all want bargains to add to our collection, and live in the hope to add to the collective value of our holdings. Admittedly, while the buy+quick flip cycle may be sometimes annoying, I don't mind at all if collectors do it. I just can't stand it when dealers do it as some of the dealers have insider access they can exploit that the average collector cannot. Again, I know there is some cognitive dissonance here, but I am all for the underdog who can build a collection out of a couple of thousand dollars, since there may be no other way for that person to accumulate art.

It this expressobeans for the banksyforum? This type of chat puts me to sleep, can't we talk about more productive things than flipping 200$ prints?

The POSE pieces looks good.

cafebrazil Eloquently put.  While I agree it's upsetting there are those out there who shamelessly and often sloppily flip art for the hustle, those who plan to stick around this art collecting niche for the long haul can usually sniff those bad seeds out and choose to avoid their product.  I think the art community has policed itself in that manner.  Those that choose to pay outlandish prices probably deserve to be linked up with the hustler in the first place, and they all get on happily ever after.  Getting on the high horse takes a lot of energy anyhow.

Heard there were some invader originals on paper so yeah, any pics anyone ?