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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 15:56:36 GMT 1, So what stencil art have you bought where the stencil artist created the stencil...be interested to know?
Stencils I make are usually made from photographs I've taken, or I've changed the source image enough to make it my own. Some artists change an image more than others, buts it's definitely common practice in street art, which is why I'm surprised this print is causing so much controversy
Once Invader updates his page,I think will move on past this 
So what stencil art have you bought where the stencil artist created the stencil...be interested to know? Stencils I make are usually made from photographs I've taken, or I've changed the source image enough to make it my own. Some artists change an image more than others, buts it's definitely common practice in street art, which is why I'm surprised this print is causing so much controversy Once Invader updates his page,I think will move on past this |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 16:12:33 GMT 1, One more thing to add - this is a relatively new question because of the internet age.
Before, an artist might go to the library, find an image, modify the image, then put it up on a wall. And the only people that would see it are locals who saw it before it got tagged or whitewashed
Now, an image is shared to millions instantly, and people can dig around and find if an image has been sourced.
It's a new day, my brothers and sisters
One more thing to add - this is a relatively new question because of the internet age.
Before, an artist might go to the library, find an image, modify the image, then put it up on a wall. And the only people that would see it are locals who saw it before it got tagged or whitewashed
Now, an image is shared to millions instantly, and people can dig around and find if an image has been sourced.
It's a new day, my brothers and sisters
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by ABC on Nov 11, 2014 16:36:02 GMT 1, That's why you buy what you like. But to find out an image you like has been stolen by a lazy artist is a shame. No?
I own En point, think its one of a small handfull that I have aquired in 2014 and No, I don't care.
As stated before..look/google "Dancer of peace" by Richard Young, familiar?
That's why you buy what you like. But to find out an image you like has been stolen by a lazy artist is a shame. No? I own En point, think its one of a small handfull that I have aquired in 2014 and No, I don't care. As stated before..look/google "Dancer of peace" by Richard Young, familiar? |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 11, 2014 16:50:46 GMT 1, But to find out an image you like has been stolen by a lazy artist is a shame. No? I own En point, think its one of a small handfull that I have aquired in 2014 and No, I don't care. As stated before..look/google "Dancer of peace" by Richard Young, familiar?
But to find out an image you like has been stolen by a lazy artist is a shame. No? I own En point, think its one of a small handfull that I have aquired in 2014 and No, I don't care. As stated before..look/google "Dancer of peace" by Richard Young, familiar? Well that's your opinion. I guess we gauge an artists talent and skill differently. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 16:56:10 GMT 1, One more thing to add - this is a relatively new question because of the internet age. Before, an artist might go to the library, find an image, modify the image, then put it up on a wall. And the only people that would see it are locals who saw it before it got tagged or whitewashed Now, an image is shared to millions instantly, and people can dig around and find if an image has been sourced. It's a new day, my brothers and sisters
One more thing to add - this is a relatively new question because of the internet age. Before, an artist might go to the library, find an image, modify the image, then put it up on a wall. And the only people that would see it are locals who saw it before it got tagged or whitewashed Now, an image is shared to millions instantly, and people can dig around and find if an image has been sourced. It's a new day, my brothers and sisters its more about monetrization I would say |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 16:58:36 GMT 1, One more thing to add - this is a relatively new question because of the internet age. Before, an artist might go to the library, find an image, modify the image, then put it up on a wall. And the only people that would see it are locals who saw it before it got tagged or whitewashed Now, an image is shared to millions instantly, and people can dig around and find if an image has been sourced. It's a new day, my brothers and sisters its more about monetrization I would say
One more thing to add - this is a relatively new question because of the internet age. Before, an artist might go to the library, find an image, modify the image, then put it up on a wall. And the only people that would see it are locals who saw it before it got tagged or whitewashed Now, an image is shared to millions instantly, and people can dig around and find if an image has been sourced. It's a new day, my brothers and sisters its more about monetrization I would say that too |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by jlf on Nov 11, 2014 17:00:34 GMT 1, its more about monetrization I would say
its more about monetrization I would say Think you have hit the nail on the head there. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by ABC on Nov 11, 2014 17:23:30 GMT 1, I own En point, think its one of a small handfull that I have aquired in 2014 and No, I don't care. As stated before..look/google "Dancer of peace" by Richard Young, familiar? Well that's your opinion. I guess we gauge an artists talent and skill differently.
I'm a simple being and know what and who I like and that's about it when it comes to art for me. I studied art and art history so I do know a little about the art world but I choose not to deconstruct too heavily artists work, that does not mean I do not like to understand how they painted/constructed a work. On a debate basis though, how does one gauge an artist's talent? by how much money they make, or how famous they are, where they studied RCA ect? The art world is a fickle place, Take Emin, does she have talent and skill? or does she have a formular that makes money and most importantly has been accepted by the establishment, like Mr B has?
I own En point, think its one of a small handfull that I have aquired in 2014 and No, I don't care. As stated before..look/google "Dancer of peace" by Richard Young, familiar? Well that's your opinion. I guess we gauge an artists talent and skill differently. I'm a simple being and know what and who I like and that's about it when it comes to art for me. I studied art and art history so I do know a little about the art world but I choose not to deconstruct too heavily artists work, that does not mean I do not like to understand how they painted/constructed a work. On a debate basis though, how does one gauge an artist's talent? by how much money they make, or how famous they are, where they studied RCA ect? The art world is a fickle place, Take Emin, does she have talent and skill? or does she have a formular that makes money and most importantly has been accepted by the establishment, like Mr B has? |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 11, 2014 18:06:27 GMT 1, Well that's your opinion. I guess we gauge an artists talent and skill differently.ย I'm a simple being and know what and whoย I like and that's about it when it comes to art for me.ย I studied art and art history so I do know a little about the art world but I choose not to deconstruct too heavily artists work, thatย does not mean I do not like to understand how they painted/constructed a work.ย On a debate basis though,ย how does one gauge an artist's talent? by how much money they make, or how famous they are, where they studied RCA ect? The art world is a fickle place,ย Take Emin, does she have talent and skill? or does she have a formular that makes money and most importantly has been accepted by the establishment, like Mr B has?
Sadly though it seems like whhatson has exposed something about his process and origin of his works. To me that process is lazy, a cheat, and disappointing. I for one find that hard to support. You may feel otherwise I guess and prefer to just see a 'pretty image'. And that's fine.
Well that's your opinion. I guess we gauge an artists talent and skill differently.ย I'm a simple being and know what and whoย I like and that's about it when it comes to art for me.ย I studied art and art history so I do know a little about the art world but I choose not to deconstruct too heavily artists work, thatย does not mean I do not like to understand how they painted/constructed a work.ย On a debate basis though,ย how does one gauge an artist's talent? by how much money they make, or how famous they are, where they studied RCA ect? The art world is a fickle place,ย Take Emin, does she have talent and skill? or does she have a formular that makes money and most importantly has been accepted by the establishment, like Mr B has? Sadly though it seems like whhatson has exposed something about his process and origin of his works. To me that process is lazy, a cheat, and disappointing. I for one find that hard to support. You may feel otherwise I guess and prefer to just see a 'pretty image'. And that's fine. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by misterx on Nov 11, 2014 19:26:50 GMT 1, I think all the sensitive types on here feeling aggrieved by MW's use of an image should steer clear of any stencil art going forward and steer well clear of any art that might just have been copied from somewhere/someone else....heaven forbid your sensibilities get ruffled again!!
And good luck with that.
don't feel sad murrke....
I think all the sensitive types on here feeling aggrieved by MW's use of an image should steer clear of any stencil art going forward and steer well clear of any art that might just have been copied from somewhere/someone else....heaven forbid your sensibilities get ruffled again!!
And good luck with that.
don't feel sad murrke....
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 19:33:36 GMT 1, I'm a simple being and know what and who I like and that's about it when it comes to art for me. I studied art and art history so I do know a little about the art world but I choose not to deconstruct too heavily artists work, that does not mean I do not like to understand how they painted/constructed a work. On a debate basis though, how does one gauge an artist's talent? by how much money they make, or how famous they are, where they studied RCA ect? The art world is a fickle place, Take Emin, does she have talent and skill? or does she have a formular that makes money and most importantly has been accepted by the establishment, like Mr B has? Sadly though it seems like whhatson has exposed something about his process and origin of his works. To me that process is lazy, a cheat, and disappointing. I for one find that hard to support. You may feel otherwise I guess and prefer to just see a 'pretty image'. And that's fine.
It's not just Martin, and this isn't new. As a fan of street art, your either going to have to accept it, or don't - but getting upset at it will turn you off to a large number of artists promoted on here
Banksy, MW, Invader, Shep and the list goes on and on - all reappropriate images. Every person has to draw their own line in the sand and decide for themselves what they think is right or wrong. Don't let other people getting worked up influence your own thoughts
I'm a simple being and know what and who I like and that's about it when it comes to art for me. I studied art and art history so I do know a little about the art world but I choose not to deconstruct too heavily artists work, that does not mean I do not like to understand how they painted/constructed a work. On a debate basis though, how does one gauge an artist's talent? by how much money they make, or how famous they are, where they studied RCA ect? The art world is a fickle place, Take Emin, does she have talent and skill? or does she have a formular that makes money and most importantly has been accepted by the establishment, like Mr B has? Sadly though it seems like whhatson has exposed something about his process and origin of his works. To me that process is lazy, a cheat, and disappointing. I for one find that hard to support. You may feel otherwise I guess and prefer to just see a 'pretty image'. And that's fine. It's not just Martin, and this isn't new. As a fan of street art, your either going to have to accept it, or don't - but getting upset at it will turn you off to a large number of artists promoted on here Banksy, MW, Invader, Shep and the list goes on and on - all reappropriate images. Every person has to draw their own line in the sand and decide for themselves what they think is right or wrong. Don't let other people getting worked up influence your own thoughts |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by sparky999 on Nov 11, 2014 19:38:34 GMT 1, The only difference between this and ths Snik/Whatson collab is that Snik actually got credit for that release.
Unfortunately that is a pretty big difference for me.
The only difference between this and ths Snik/Whatson collab is that Snik actually got credit for that release.
Unfortunately that is a pretty big difference for me.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 11, 2014 20:23:46 GMT 1, I think all the sensitive types on here feeling aggrieved by MW's use of an image should steer clear of any stencil art going forward and steer well clear of any art that might just have been copied from somewhere/someone else....heaven forbid your sensibilities get ruffled again!! And good luck with that. don't feel sad murrke....
Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares.
I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you.
its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'.
I think all the sensitive types on here feeling aggrieved by MW's use of an image should steer clear of any stencil art going forward and steer well clear of any art that might just have been copied from somewhere/someone else....heaven forbid your sensibilities get ruffled again!! And good luck with that. don't feel sad murrke.... Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by tab1 on Nov 11, 2014 20:45:09 GMT 1, We"ll see how it pans out on the next release
Should be one for Xmas?
We"ll see how it pans out on the next release
Should be one for Xmas?
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by gatecrasher on Nov 11, 2014 21:26:36 GMT 1, Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'.
Seriously, you need to move along as you're coming across as a bit of a moaner.
Why not start a thread telling us about a piece of art you bought that you love instead of this same old same old s**t.
Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'. Thanks for the cutting insight there into his fan base and his mind set to his fans and I'm happy that your'e getting that warm glow about that other people are warming to your stance. Seriously, you need to move along as you're coming across as a bit of a moaner. Why not start a thread telling us about a piece of art you bought that you love instead of this same old same old s**t. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 11, 2014 22:07:28 GMT 1, Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'. Thanks for the cutting insight there into his fan base and his mind set to his fans and I'm happy that your'e getting that warm glow about that other people are warming to your stance. Seriously, you need to move along as you're coming across as a bit of a moaner. Why not start a thread telling us about a piece of art you bought that you love instead of this same old same old s**t.
Lol. Chill out dude. Sorry my opinion offended you.
I'm sharing my opinion and thoughts on the topic. If you don't like it that's fine with me. You are sounding like the moaner...
Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'. Thanks for the cutting insight there into his fan base and his mind set to his fans and I'm happy that your'e getting that warm glow about that other people are warming to your stance. Seriously, you need to move along as you're coming across as a bit of a moaner. Why not start a thread telling us about a piece of art you bought that you love instead of this same old same old s**t. Lol. Chill out dude. Sorry my opinion offended you. I'm sharing my opinion and thoughts on the topic. If you don't like it that's fine with me. You are sounding like the moaner... |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by jlf on Nov 11, 2014 22:09:45 GMT 1, We"ll see how it pans out on the next release Should be one for Xmas?
We"ll see how it pans out on the next release Should be one for Xmas? hasn't he just had one. Didn't those climber hand finished sell out almost instantly at the show |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Hairbland on Nov 11, 2014 22:10:04 GMT 1, Interesting albeit flawed reasoning. If Robbie Williams covers a somewhat obscure song that goes on to be #1 in most countries and he wins a Brit Award does that make it ok for him to pretend it's his and that he wrote it, after all it was the bigger hit. In my opinion anyone defending Whatson by way of Banksy doesn't get the very thing they are into. And as to Fairey he got into trouble not for using the image but his b*lls-less attempt to cover up his usage...for lying essentially. Peeps are down on Whatson because his work seems lazy and formulaic. His lazy theft adds to it. I understand the Robbie Williams bit. but why do you think the use of someone else image. Eg not creating the image is different between Banksy and Whatson.? him say being lazy and formulaic is irrelevant to the argument as it were that just about whether you like or not. Like you zi don't actually. but I do fail to see the difference between him and Banksy in that they are using someone else's image. Aside from the fact that zi think Banksy's work is better but again that is irrelevant
At no level does Whatson create a conversation with his work. At no level. No conversation.
And yet a statement, or starting a conversation, is what virtually every artist aims to do.
It's that simple.
Doesn't mean it's uncool for him to have fans. Just don't make him out to be more relevant and meaningful than he is.
Interesting albeit flawed reasoning. If Robbie Williams covers a somewhat obscure song that goes on to be #1 in most countries and he wins a Brit Award does that make it ok for him to pretend it's his and that he wrote it, after all it was the bigger hit. In my opinion anyone defending Whatson by way of Banksy doesn't get the very thing they are into. And as to Fairey he got into trouble not for using the image but his b*lls-less attempt to cover up his usage...for lying essentially. Peeps are down on Whatson because his work seems lazy and formulaic. His lazy theft adds to it. I understand the Robbie Williams bit. but why do you think the use of someone else image. Eg not creating the image is different between Banksy and Whatson.? him say being lazy and formulaic is irrelevant to the argument as it were that just about whether you like or not. Like you zi don't actually. but I do fail to see the difference between him and Banksy in that they are using someone else's image. Aside from the fact that zi think Banksy's work is better but again that is irrelevant I'm not really sure it's worth arguing Banksy versus Martin Whatson - as I've said previously I don't think they belong in the same sentence. And if one has ANY understanding of art history, which they teach in schools but can also be found on the internet or in books in the library, how Warhol, Banksy and others in their league appropriate and use images to make grander statements, particularly about the commoditization of the human condition, is much easier to understand. At no level does Whatson create a conversation with his work. At no level. No conversation. And yet a statement, or starting a conversation, is what virtually every artist aims to do. It's that simple. Doesn't mean it's uncool for him to have fans. Just don't make him out to be more relevant and meaningful than he is. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by jlf on Nov 11, 2014 22:23:47 GMT 1, I understand the Robbie Williams bit. but why do you think the use of someone else image. Eg not creating the image is different between Banksy and Whatson.? him say being lazy and formulaic is irrelevant to the argument as it were that just about whether you like or not. Like you zi don't actually. but I do fail to see the difference between him and Banksy in that they are using someone else's image. Aside from the fact that zi think Banksy's work is better but again that is irrelevant I'm not really sure it's worth arguing Banksy versus Martin Whatson - as I've said previously I don't think they belong in the same sentence. And if one has ANY understanding of art history, which they teach in schools but can also be found on the internet or in books in the library, how Warhol, Banksy and others in their league appropriate and use images to make grander statements, particularly about the commoditization of the human condition, is much easier to understand. At no level does Whatson create a conversation with his work. At no level. No conversation. And yet a statement, or starting a conversation, is what virtually every artist aims to do. It's that simple. Doesn't mean it's uncool for him to have fans. Just don't make him out to be more relevant and meaningful than he is.
I understand the Robbie Williams bit. but why do you think the use of someone else image. Eg not creating the image is different between Banksy and Whatson.? him say being lazy and formulaic is irrelevant to the argument as it were that just about whether you like or not. Like you zi don't actually. but I do fail to see the difference between him and Banksy in that they are using someone else's image. Aside from the fact that zi think Banksy's work is better but again that is irrelevant I'm not really sure it's worth arguing Banksy versus Martin Whatson - as I've said previously I don't think they belong in the same sentence. And if one has ANY understanding of art history, which they teach in schools but can also be found on the internet or in books in the library, how Warhol, Banksy and others in their league appropriate and use images to make grander statements, particularly about the commoditization of the human condition, is much easier to understand. At no level does Whatson create a conversation with his work. At no level. No conversation. And yet a statement, or starting a conversation, is what virtually every artist aims to do. It's that simple. Doesn't mean it's uncool for him to have fans. Just don't make him out to be more relevant and meaningful than he is. Maybe we have all missed the point and this is actually the conversation it was meant to start, maybe his work is meant to make you think about the right and wrong of copying others work? ..... that or he was feeling a bit tired and thought no one would notice if he borrowed the image |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Hairbland on Nov 11, 2014 22:35:31 GMT 1, e]Maybe we have all missed the point and this is actually the conversation it was meant to start, maybe his work is meant to make you think about the right and wrong of copying others work? ..... that or he was feeling a bit tired and thought no one would notice if he borrowed the image
Entirely possible, thus making him relevant.
I don't think he was tired. I think he enjoys the cash cow he stumbled on, and that much of his day is spent looking at the world in black, white and grey while imagining tags with no meaning added.
e]Maybe we have all missed the point and this is actually the conversation it was meant to start, maybe his work is meant to make you think about the right and wrong of copying others work? ..... that or he was feeling a bit tired and thought no one would notice if he borrowed the image Entirely possible, thus making him relevant. I don't think he was tired. I think he enjoys the cash cow he stumbled on, and that much of his day is spent looking at the world in black, white and grey while imagining tags with no meaning added. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Hairbland on Nov 11, 2014 23:04:58 GMT 1, ] Why not start a thread telling us about a piece of art you bought that you love instead of this same old same old s**t.
I think this thread is the one pointing out issues with the product created by Martin Whatson. Perhaps heeding your own advice, to post on a different thread, is a good idea.
So far the defenders of Whatson have used "Banksy does it too!" and defensive snark - definitely a weak counterpoint. But highly entertaining.
Sexy story, get mainstream to pick up and Whatson's toast.
] Why not start a thread telling us about a piece of art you bought that you love instead of this same old same old s**t. I think this thread is the one pointing out issues with the product created by Martin Whatson. Perhaps heeding your own advice, to post on a different thread, is a good idea. So far the defenders of Whatson have used "Banksy does it too!" and defensive snark - definitely a weak counterpoint. But highly entertaining. Sexy story, get mainstream to pick up and Whatson's toast. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 11, 2014 23:10:01 GMT 1, I'm not really sure it's worth arguing Banksy versus Martin Whatson - as I've said previously I don't think they belong in the same sentence. ย And if one has ANY understanding of art history, which they teach in schools but can also be found on the internet or in books in the library, how Warhol, Banksy and others in their league appropriate and use images to make grander statements, particularly about the commoditization of the human condition, is much easier to understand. At no level does Whatson create a conversation with his work. ย At no level. ย No conversation. And yet a statement, or starting a conversation, is what virtually every artist aims to do. It's that simple. ย Doesn't mean it's uncool for him to have fans. ย Just don't make him out to be more relevant and meaningful than he is.ย Maybe we have all missed the point and this is actually the conversation it was meant to start, maybe his work is meant to make you think about the right and wrong of copying others work? ..... that or he was feeling a bit tired and thought no one would notice if he borrowed the image
That's possible. But if that was the truth we would probably no by now.
It is highly unlikely. It seems more likely that whatson just thought no one would notice.
I'm not really sure it's worth arguing Banksy versus Martin Whatson - as I've said previously I don't think they belong in the same sentence. ย And if one has ANY understanding of art history, which they teach in schools but can also be found on the internet or in books in the library, how Warhol, Banksy and others in their league appropriate and use images to make grander statements, particularly about the commoditization of the human condition, is much easier to understand. At no level does Whatson create a conversation with his work. ย At no level. ย No conversation. And yet a statement, or starting a conversation, is what virtually every artist aims to do. It's that simple. ย Doesn't mean it's uncool for him to have fans. ย Just don't make him out to be more relevant and meaningful than he is.ย Maybe we have all missed the point and this is actually the conversation it was meant to start, maybe his work is meant to make you think about the right and wrong of copying others work? ..... that or he was feeling a bit tired and thought no one would notice if he borrowed the image That's possible. But if that was the truth we would probably no by now. It is highly unlikely. It seems more likely that whatson just thought no one would notice. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by lha on Nov 11, 2014 23:15:26 GMT 1, The thread that keeps on giving. Plenty of opinions expressed and a lot of food for thought as well as a lot of nonsense. Also seems like a bit of a witch hunt at times when using images as Martin has done is pretty much the norm for many stencil artists. Whatever you think of Martin and his work he must be very pleased with a 22 page thread that's still going and definitely adheres to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' Good work Martin, keep it going mate!
The thread that keeps on giving. Plenty of opinions expressed and a lot of food for thought as well as a lot of nonsense. Also seems like a bit of a witch hunt at times when using images as Martin has done is pretty much the norm for many stencil artists. Whatever you think of Martin and his work he must be very pleased with a 22 page thread that's still going and definitely adheres to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' Good work Martin, keep it going mate!
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Hairbland on Nov 11, 2014 23:21:16 GMT 1, The thread that keeps on giving. Plenty of opinions expressed and a lot of food for thought as well as a lot of nonsense. Also seems like a bit of a witch hunt at times when using images as Martin has done is pretty much the norm for many stencil artists. Whatever you think of Martin and his work he must be very pleased with a 22 page thread that's still going and definitely adheres to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' Good work Martin, keep it going mate!
Well, GP certainly disappeared quickly and he seems to be lying low. Or we are witnessing how little anyone cares about the early adopters.
The thread that keeps on giving. Plenty of opinions expressed and a lot of food for thought as well as a lot of nonsense. Also seems like a bit of a witch hunt at times when using images as Martin has done is pretty much the norm for many stencil artists. Whatever you think of Martin and his work he must be very pleased with a 22 page thread that's still going and definitely adheres to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' Good work Martin, keep it going mate! Well, GP certainly disappeared quickly and he seems to be lying low. Or we are witnessing how little anyone cares about the early adopters. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by lha on Nov 11, 2014 23:28:53 GMT 1, The thread that keeps on giving. Plenty of opinions expressed and a lot of food for thought as well as a lot of nonsense. Also seems like a bit of a witch hunt at times when using images as Martin has done is pretty much the norm for many stencil artists. Whatever you think of Martin and his work he must be very pleased with a 22 page thread that's still going and definitely adheres to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' Good work Martin, keep it going mate! Well, GP certainly disappeared quickly and he seems to be lying low. Or we are witnessing how little anyone cares about the early adopters.
I don't have anything further to add, could barely muster the last comment! I'll let this endless conversation rumble along as per the last 23 pages
The thread that keeps on giving. Plenty of opinions expressed and a lot of food for thought as well as a lot of nonsense. Also seems like a bit of a witch hunt at times when using images as Martin has done is pretty much the norm for many stencil artists. Whatever you think of Martin and his work he must be very pleased with a 22 page thread that's still going and definitely adheres to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' Good work Martin, keep it going mate! Well, GP certainly disappeared quickly and he seems to be lying low. Or we are witnessing how little anyone cares about the early adopters. I don't have anything further to add, could barely muster the last comment! I'll let this endless conversation rumble along as per the last 23 pages |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 11, 2014 23:40:38 GMT 1, The thread that keeps on giving. Plenty of opinions expressed and a lot of food for thought as well as a lot of nonsense. Also seems like a bit of a witch hunt at times when using images as Martin has done is pretty much the norm for many stencil artists. Whatever you think of Martin and his work he must be very pleased with a 22 page thread that's still going and definitely adheres to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' Good work Martin, keep it going mate!
People keep saying it's the norm. Can we see some examples.
The thread that keeps on giving. Plenty of opinions expressed and a lot of food for thought as well as a lot of nonsense. Also seems like a bit of a witch hunt at times when using images as Martin has done is pretty much the norm for many stencil artists. Whatever you think of Martin and his work he must be very pleased with a 22 page thread that's still going and definitely adheres to 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' Good work Martin, keep it going mate! People keep saying it's the norm. Can we see some examples. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Sohoria on Nov 12, 2014 0:07:36 GMT 1, Regarding GP - I don't think a gallery has anything to say as it really shouldn't be up to them to quality check that the image that has been used has been authorised for use (that should be for the artists to do).
Regards to copyright - MW has a theme which is his style of tagging. He has used for x amount of his print releases and when people see his artwork they recognise it is from him. Agree image of a ballerina but he has applied his theme so would believe changed enough of the original image even if no direct meaning.
Sure as the original artist, would imagine would want recognition for work used but believe after 23 pages is personally upto MW to communicate with the original artist if he chooses to do so.
It would be a shame if GP as a gallery stops from posting on these boards as I have been told they do good quality prints and showcase at times good quality artwork from artists that we would normally not hear from.
This thread really believe has run it's cause and valid points from everyone that has posted. We have Kaws/rourke/Bisser/QBIC/Parasite/Remi/Robert Proch/ threads that I would love to see more positive responses and art discussions to happen, as this thread is going around in circles.
Final note - as any gallery (not specific to GP) if you choose to promote any artwork then any healthy discussion positive or negative should be expected. Message to anyone new follow ABC advice and go for artwork that you like...trust in your own thoughts rather than listening to a forum as at the end of they day it will be the artwork hanging in your homes and we have no right to tell you what you should or shouldn't put up. It's your hard earned money to put up artwork in your own home and no one has the right to tell you your wrong for liking a piece of artwork if it has meaning or even if doesn't.
S
Ps check out Slammers post of WCP artwork being showcased at a school
Regarding GP - I don't think a gallery has anything to say as it really shouldn't be up to them to quality check that the image that has been used has been authorised for use (that should be for the artists to do). Regards to copyright - MW has a theme which is his style of tagging. He has used for x amount of his print releases and when people see his artwork they recognise it is from him. Agree image of a ballerina but he has applied his theme so would believe changed enough of the original image even if no direct meaning. Sure as the original artist, would imagine would want recognition for work used but believe after 23 pages is personally upto MW to communicate with the original artist if he chooses to do so. It would be a shame if GP as a gallery stops from posting on these boards as I have been told they do good quality prints and showcase at times good quality artwork from artists that we would normally not hear from. This thread really believe has run it's cause and valid points from everyone that has posted. We have Kaws/rourke/Bisser/QBIC/Parasite/Remi/Robert Proch/ threads that I would love to see more positive responses and art discussions to happen, as this thread is going around in circles. Final note - as any gallery (not specific to GP) if you choose to promote any artwork then any healthy discussion positive or negative should be expected. Message to anyone new follow ABC advice and go for artwork that you like...trust in your own thoughts rather than listening to a forum as at the end of they day it will be the artwork hanging in your homes and we have no right to tell you what you should or shouldn't put up. It's your hard earned money to put up artwork in your own home and no one has the right to tell you your wrong for liking a piece of artwork if it has meaning or even if doesn't. S Ps check out Slammers post of WCP artwork being showcased at a school |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by misterx on Nov 12, 2014 0:59:28 GMT 1, I think all the sensitive types on here feeling aggrieved by MW's use of an image should steer clear of any stencil art going forward and steer well clear of any art that might just have been copied from somewhere/someone else....heaven forbid your sensibilities get ruffled again!! And good luck with that. don't feel sad murrke.... Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'.
Your annoyance is noted, as is the fact you are not sad, even though you find it sad that MW probably doesn't care.
And you're right. Its good to see not everybody is like me.
Or you, for that matter.
I think all the sensitive types on here feeling aggrieved by MW's use of an image should steer clear of any stencil art going forward and steer well clear of any art that might just have been copied from somewhere/someone else....heaven forbid your sensibilities get ruffled again!! And good luck with that. don't feel sad murrke.... Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'. I see you've posted in this thread at least 16 times... Your annoyance is noted, as is the fact you are not sad, even though you find it sad that MW probably doesn't care. And you're right. Its good to see not everybody is like me. Or you, for that matter. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by cerulean on Nov 12, 2014 1:06:49 GMT 1, So what stencil art have you bought where the stencil artist created the stencil...be interested to know?
So what stencil art have you bought where the stencil artist created the stencil...be interested to know? Roamcouch often does his own photography from which he creates the stencil - at least in the case of Bomber Boy and the faces of children he uses in his other works. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 12, 2014 1:14:23 GMT 1, Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'. I see you've posted in this thread at least 16 times... Your annoyance is noted, as is the fact you are not sad, even though you find it sad that MW probably doesn't care. And you're right. Its good to see not everybody is like me. Or you, for that matter.
I'm honored your so interested in my posts.
Luckily for whatson not everyone is like me!
Oh I'm not sad. It's s shame whatson is losing fans. The real sad thing is I don't think he cares. I guess you are fine with stencil artists being lazy and needing to steal images. But it's good to see not all art fans, collectors and artists are like you. its a breath of fresh air for me to see others not standing and supporting 'this art'. I see you've posted in this thread at least 16 times... Your annoyance is noted, as is the fact you are not sad, even though you find it sad that MW probably doesn't care. And you're right. Its good to see not everybody is like me. Or you, for that matter. I'm honored your so interested in my posts. Luckily for whatson not everyone is like me! |
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