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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:31:19 GMT 1, Might as well try.
And regarding this being 'against the spirit of street art,' I would argue that owning a flatfile full of treasures is a thousand times worse. If anything, this is trying to keep the pictures on the walls of people who will proudly show them; the Eelus commission was the main reason why I thought this may not alienate certain artists and has potential to work. And every time I see 'mint condition, stored flat since purchase' for some beautiful print on here I die a little bit inside, really; that's not even viewing art as art, that's viewing it as an investment - you yourself aren't even looking at it.
I don't think this project will take prints away from the general public in any way; the prints commissioned literally would have never existed without the club (I don't see an artist privately releasing a print to a commission club that he/she planned on releasing publicly, that makes no sense). If anything this will only generate more art.
That said, if you aren't interested you don't need to sign up; pretty simple. And if you've already signed up and wish to withdraw, now would be an ideal time to do so.
I personally see no harm/have no problem organizing this and at least trying to reach out to artists, since we all like the same artists more or less and spend so much money on prints anyway; it would be nice to have something special.
Might as well try.
And regarding this being 'against the spirit of street art,' I would argue that owning a flatfile full of treasures is a thousand times worse. If anything, this is trying to keep the pictures on the walls of people who will proudly show them; the Eelus commission was the main reason why I thought this may not alienate certain artists and has potential to work. And every time I see 'mint condition, stored flat since purchase' for some beautiful print on here I die a little bit inside, really; that's not even viewing art as art, that's viewing it as an investment - you yourself aren't even looking at it.
I don't think this project will take prints away from the general public in any way; the prints commissioned literally would have never existed without the club (I don't see an artist privately releasing a print to a commission club that he/she planned on releasing publicly, that makes no sense). If anything this will only generate more art.
That said, if you aren't interested you don't need to sign up; pretty simple. And if you've already signed up and wish to withdraw, now would be an ideal time to do so.
I personally see no harm/have no problem organizing this and at least trying to reach out to artists, since we all like the same artists more or less and spend so much money on prints anyway; it would be nice to have something special.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:48:26 GMT 1, I agree this is going to take a ton of work, but think coller is more than capable of organizing this. and he's right - it's worth a shot. They worse that could happen is an artist says no thanks.
I would think most artists would be thrilled with getting prints into the hands of true fans, rather than people trying to make a quick buck (assuming there's a way to discourage club members from flipping). Plus they'd get a nice little payday for minimal work (again, assuming they use an existing image that just hasn't been make into a print yet). The few artists I've been able to chat with seem genuinely happy to see and meet fans who love their work and I don't think they'd be opposed to this.
And I think it benefits galleries in the long run as well. They might not be able to sell this particular print, but they'd be getting more exposure for the artists and exposure/popularity will eventually translate to more business for them
I agree this is going to take a ton of work, but think coller is more than capable of organizing this. and he's right - it's worth a shot. They worse that could happen is an artist says no thanks. I would think most artists would be thrilled with getting prints into the hands of true fans, rather than people trying to make a quick buck (assuming there's a way to discourage club members from flipping). Plus they'd get a nice little payday for minimal work (again, assuming they use an existing image that just hasn't been make into a print yet). The few artists I've been able to chat with seem genuinely happy to see and meet fans who love their work and I don't think they'd be opposed to this. And I think it benefits galleries in the long run as well. They might not be able to sell this particular print, but they'd be getting more exposure for the artists and exposure/popularity will eventually translate to more business for them
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by t3c on Aug 5, 2014 13:53:31 GMT 1, Might as well try. And regarding this being 'against the spirit of street art,' I would argue that owning a flatfile full of treasures is a thousand times worse. If anything, this is trying to keep the pictures on the walls of people who will proudly show them; the Eelus commission was the main reason why I thought this may not alienate certain artists and has potential to work. And every time I see 'mint condition, stored flat since purchase' for some beautiful print on here I die a little bit inside, really; that's not even viewing art as art, that's viewing it as an investment - you yourself aren't even looking at it. I have to agree there, i feel the exact same way mate
Might as well try. And regarding this being 'against the spirit of street art,' I would argue that owning a flatfile full of treasures is a thousand times worse. If anything, this is trying to keep the pictures on the walls of people who will proudly show them; the Eelus commission was the main reason why I thought this may not alienate certain artists and has potential to work. And every time I see 'mint condition, stored flat since purchase' for some beautiful print on here I die a little bit inside, really; that's not even viewing art as art, that's viewing it as an investment - you yourself aren't even looking at it. I have to agree there, i feel the exact same way mate
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:04:04 GMT 1, Also this will be capped soon, so again if you're having second thoughts and want to withdraw then please do so now (if you're joining or have joined, then that should mean you are ready and willing to pay up to $400 to commission a print from any artist listed in the first post). Exceptions will obviously be made for forum veterans who were coincidentally not online for the past day or two.
Also this will be capped soon, so again if you're having second thoughts and want to withdraw then please do so now (if you're joining or have joined, then that should mean you are ready and willing to pay up to $400 to commission a print from any artist listed in the first post). Exceptions will obviously be made for forum veterans who were coincidentally not online for the past day or two.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by longshanks on Aug 5, 2014 14:12:36 GMT 1, no giclee please ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
no giclee please ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by soam24 on Aug 5, 2014 14:22:56 GMT 1, This is a complex matter, and alot of trust has to go into the OP, and from what i've seen him post I have no reason not to trust him.
Yes, you have to contact the artist with thoughts, idea, subjects.. etc. Yes, you have to find a printer. Yes, you have to ship the prints to EVERYONE. It is alot of work, but the end result can be stunning.
This is a complex matter, and alot of trust has to go into the OP, and from what i've seen him post I have no reason not to trust him.
Yes, you have to contact the artist with thoughts, idea, subjects.. etc. Yes, you have to find a printer. Yes, you have to ship the prints to EVERYONE. It is alot of work, but the end result can be stunning.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Paname on Aug 5, 2014 14:25:00 GMT 1, How will you do if there is a series of 50 prints, and there are 100 people interested?
How will you do if there is a series of 50 prints, and there are 100 people interested?
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by 11 on Aug 5, 2014 14:27:28 GMT 1, I'd be up for this...,if there's still space
I'd be up for this...,if there's still space
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:34:59 GMT 1, How will you do if there is a series of 50 prints, and there are 100 people interested? We will have the edition size be as close to the total number of members as possible while still ensuring we can fund the edition. How this will be determined we can sort out in the later stages, once the group has been fully formed.
How will you do if there is a series of 50 prints, and there are 100 people interested? We will have the edition size be as close to the total number of members as possible while still ensuring we can fund the edition. How this will be determined we can sort out in the later stages, once the group has been fully formed.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by opalis141 on Aug 5, 2014 14:36:24 GMT 1, A cooperative commission edition is a nice idea. I don't think you can prevent the flipping of any piece selling below 'market' value. If the members really care about collecting more than the potential increase in value, in theory, they would pay the current potential value up front. For instance 1000 usd or so for a Dolk (although I agree with a prior respondent that Dolk would be nigh impossible to get). From a sort of purist perspective, targeting artists with potential who haven't made it yet would provide a greater benefit to the art community. The co-op members get a great print, and the new artist gets a leg up--a win-win. It gives members the benefit collecting a new artist without spending thousands for an original and it gives a commission to an artist who needs it. The club can gain respect and bragging rights for unearthing new talent. Commissioning a big name is certainly more desirable in a certain way, but the reality of what happens in the after-market for such an artist's print has to be acknowledged. No one can control what happens to a print after the original sale. Fairey works hard to stop flipping but his prints regularly show upon Ebay the day of sale. pPersonally, I was going to suggest something like this when the thread was originally started. It makes sense to me to try this out with a lower price point/buy-in so that more members can have access to it ($300-$400 might be steep for some of us) and would support an up-and-comer--it is hard out there when you are first starting out as an artist! It would also be a great way to build lasting relationships in the scene. I also think a lot of emerging artists are more likely to take on a project like this as they would see it as an opportunity rather than a potential headache.
A cooperative commission edition is a nice idea. I don't think you can prevent the flipping of any piece selling below 'market' value. If the members really care about collecting more than the potential increase in value, in theory, they would pay the current potential value up front. For instance 1000 usd or so for a Dolk (although I agree with a prior respondent that Dolk would be nigh impossible to get). From a sort of purist perspective, targeting artists with potential who haven't made it yet would provide a greater benefit to the art community. The co-op members get a great print, and the new artist gets a leg up--a win-win. It gives members the benefit collecting a new artist without spending thousands for an original and it gives a commission to an artist who needs it. The club can gain respect and bragging rights for unearthing new talent. Commissioning a big name is certainly more desirable in a certain way, but the reality of what happens in the after-market for such an artist's print has to be acknowledged. No one can control what happens to a print after the original sale. Fairey works hard to stop flipping but his prints regularly show upon Ebay the day of sale. pPersonally, I was going to suggest something like this when the thread was originally started. It makes sense to me to try this out with a lower price point/buy-in so that more members can have access to it ($300-$400 might be steep for some of us) and would support an up-and-comer--it is hard out there when you are first starting out as an artist! It would also be a great way to build lasting relationships in the scene. I also think a lot of emerging artists are more likely to take on a project like this as they would see it as an opportunity rather than a potential headache.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Paname on Aug 5, 2014 14:38:01 GMT 1, Being a member of the club, undertakes to purchase the print or we can choose?
Being a member of the club, undertakes to purchase the print or we can choose?
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:42:46 GMT 1, A cooperative commission edition is a nice idea. I don't think you can prevent the flipping of any piece selling below 'market' value. If the members really care about collecting more than the potential increase in value, in theory, they would pay the current potential value up front. For instance 1000 usd or so for a Dolk (although I agree with a prior respondent that Dolk would be nigh impossible to get). From a sort of purist perspective, targeting artists with potential who haven't made it yet would provide a greater benefit to the art community. The co-op members get a great print, and the new artist gets a leg up--a win-win. It gives members the benefit collecting a new artist without spending thousands for an original and it gives a commission to an artist who needs it. The club can gain respect and bragging rights for unearthing new talent. Commissioning a big name is certainly more desirable in a certain way, but the reality of what happens in the after-market for such an artist's print has to be acknowledged. No one can control what happens to a print after the original sale. Fairey works hard to stop flipping but his prints regularly show upon Ebay the day of sale. pPersonally, I was going to suggest something like this when the thread was originally started. It makes sense to me to try this out with a lower price point/buy-in so that more members can have access to it ($300-$400 might be steep for some of us) and would support an up-and-comer--it is hard out there when you are first starting out as an artist! It would also be a great way to build lasting relationships in the scene. I also think a lot of emerging artists are more likely to take on a project like this as they would see it as an opportunity rather than a potential headache. We will put in as many measures as possible to prevent flipping - we will absolutely have personalized signatures including first names, if the artist is willing. We will set out terms re: how long you must wait before you trade/sell any of the prints (and it will be a considerable amount of time) and other measures to ensure that those who actually frame/hang the prints will be more likely to attain future prints as that is the whole point, really.
And this is probably the worst thing I'll ever have to write on a forum, or anywhere, but if $400 is steep then you likely shouldn't join the group - we need to create a stable list of people willing to fund, potentially in the long-term if this project becomes something more than a single commission; credibility re: funding is pretty integral obviously. We have enough interest that this amount seems reasonable, and given the artists listed we can't really go lower (and it's the artist list that is bringing all of the people together in interest, so going against that is much much harder than it seems; it would almost nullify the efficacy/applicability of a test run on a lesser-known or unlisted artist).
A cooperative commission edition is a nice idea. I don't think you can prevent the flipping of any piece selling below 'market' value. If the members really care about collecting more than the potential increase in value, in theory, they would pay the current potential value up front. For instance 1000 usd or so for a Dolk (although I agree with a prior respondent that Dolk would be nigh impossible to get). From a sort of purist perspective, targeting artists with potential who haven't made it yet would provide a greater benefit to the art community. The co-op members get a great print, and the new artist gets a leg up--a win-win. It gives members the benefit collecting a new artist without spending thousands for an original and it gives a commission to an artist who needs it. The club can gain respect and bragging rights for unearthing new talent. Commissioning a big name is certainly more desirable in a certain way, but the reality of what happens in the after-market for such an artist's print has to be acknowledged. No one can control what happens to a print after the original sale. Fairey works hard to stop flipping but his prints regularly show upon Ebay the day of sale. pPersonally, I was going to suggest something like this when the thread was originally started. It makes sense to me to try this out with a lower price point/buy-in so that more members can have access to it ($300-$400 might be steep for some of us) and would support an up-and-comer--it is hard out there when you are first starting out as an artist! It would also be a great way to build lasting relationships in the scene. I also think a lot of emerging artists are more likely to take on a project like this as they would see it as an opportunity rather than a potential headache. We will put in as many measures as possible to prevent flipping - we will absolutely have personalized signatures including first names, if the artist is willing. We will set out terms re: how long you must wait before you trade/sell any of the prints (and it will be a considerable amount of time) and other measures to ensure that those who actually frame/hang the prints will be more likely to attain future prints as that is the whole point, really. And this is probably the worst thing I'll ever have to write on a forum, or anywhere, but if $400 is steep then you likely shouldn't join the group - we need to create a stable list of people willing to fund, potentially in the long-term if this project becomes something more than a single commission; credibility re: funding is pretty integral obviously. We have enough interest that this amount seems reasonable, and given the artists listed we can't really go lower (and it's the artist list that is bringing all of the people together in interest, so going against that is much much harder than it seems; it would almost nullify the efficacy/applicability of a test run on a lesser-known or unlisted artist).
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by WOOF on Aug 5, 2014 14:45:44 GMT 1, And this is probably the worst thing I'll ever have to write on a forum, or anywhere, but if $400 is steep then you likely shouldn't join the group - we need to create a stable list of people willing to fund, potentially in the long-term if this project becomes something more than a single commission; credibility re: funding is pretty integral obviously. We have enough interest that this amount seems reasonable, and given the artists listed we can't really go lower (and it's the artist list that is bringing all of the people together in interest, so going against that is much much harder than it seems; it would almost nullify the efficacy/applicability of a test run on a lesser-known or unlisted artist). This. For this to be successful IMO, it needs to be a print club, not a commission group. The difference being you buy into the club, not the artist or the print. Every member buys every print. Just my 2 cents...
And this is probably the worst thing I'll ever have to write on a forum, or anywhere, but if $400 is steep then you likely shouldn't join the group - we need to create a stable list of people willing to fund, potentially in the long-term if this project becomes something more than a single commission; credibility re: funding is pretty integral obviously. We have enough interest that this amount seems reasonable, and given the artists listed we can't really go lower (and it's the artist list that is bringing all of the people together in interest, so going against that is much much harder than it seems; it would almost nullify the efficacy/applicability of a test run on a lesser-known or unlisted artist). This. For this to be successful IMO, it needs to be a print club, not a commission group. The difference being you buy into the club, not the artist or the print. Every member buys every print. Just my 2 cents...
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by sohohoho on Aug 5, 2014 14:47:44 GMT 1, and the funniest thread of the year award goes to...
Has the print club been named yet? May I suggest Flipper's Dream?
I want this to work so bad. Just once. For the comedy value.
Saying that, one important person wouldn't be laughing. The artist!
and the funniest thread of the year award goes to...
Has the print club been named yet? May I suggest Flipper's Dream?
I want this to work so bad. Just once. For the comedy value.
Saying that, one important person wouldn't be laughing. The artist!
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by lvanhoe on Aug 5, 2014 14:47:59 GMT 1, Any chance we could add Roamcouch to the list of artists to approach?
Any chance we could add Roamcouch to the list of artists to approach?
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:48:06 GMT 1, Being a member of the club, undertakes to purchase the print or we can choose? You would not be able to choose; entering the club means you are essentially agreeing to pay $400 to blindly commission a print from any artist listed in the original post. The people who go in knowing this will likely benefit the most in the long run, and those who don't likely won't last long in the group or will not enjoy it at all.
This is about just commissioning something special from artists we all like; it is not about secondary market value or choosing/buying prints or shopping, etc.
Once the group is formed, we will agree on an edition size that seems fair while ensuring we can fund the edition - along with a list of offers/ideas for each artist. Then we will send out offers, the order depending on group priority based on vote; whichever artist agrees is the one we go with first. That's more or less how I hope it will play out.
Being a member of the club, undertakes to purchase the print or we can choose? You would not be able to choose; entering the club means you are essentially agreeing to pay $400 to blindly commission a print from any artist listed in the original post. The people who go in knowing this will likely benefit the most in the long run, and those who don't likely won't last long in the group or will not enjoy it at all. This is about just commissioning something special from artists we all like; it is not about secondary market value or choosing/buying prints or shopping, etc. Once the group is formed, we will agree on an edition size that seems fair while ensuring we can fund the edition - along with a list of offers/ideas for each artist. Then we will send out offers, the order depending on group priority based on vote; whichever artist agrees is the one we go with first. That's more or less how I hope it will play out.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:50:58 GMT 1, Any chance we could add Roamcouch to the list of artists to approach? For now, no artists will be added until we have made offers to all of the listed artists for reasons mentioned earlier. Any new artist after that will need to be approved by the entire club, which will likely take a bit of time.
Any chance we could add Roamcouch to the list of artists to approach? For now, no artists will be added until we have made offers to all of the listed artists for reasons mentioned earlier. Any new artist after that will need to be approved by the entire club, which will likely take a bit of time.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:51:15 GMT 1, Any chance we could add Roamcouch to the list of artists to approach? How about Cartrain? Or Bambi?
Any chance we could add Roamcouch to the list of artists to approach? How about Cartrain? Or Bambi?
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:56:59 GMT 1, Well, I hope it all works cos you are all lovely. Lots to work out I suppose so will see.
Have fun.
Had you thought about up and coming Artists rather than established ones?.
Well, I hope it all works cos you are all lovely. Lots to work out I suppose so will see.
Have fun.
Had you thought about up and coming Artists rather than established ones?.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:58:05 GMT 1, and the funniest thread of the year award goes to... Has the print club been named yet? May I suggest Flipper's Dream? I want this to work so bad. Just once. For the comedy value. Saying that, one important person wouldn't be laughing. The artist! Suffice to say there will be a thorough screening stage, and I'm very good at research. I am hoping to cap at 200, and then whittle that number down to around 150 by eliminating obvious flippers.
I think it is very possible to find 150 people who genuinely want to buy a piece of art from these artists for their wall; making the artist confident that those people feel that way is as important, so I'll be taking that part pretty seriously.
and the funniest thread of the year award goes to... Has the print club been named yet? May I suggest Flipper's Dream? I want this to work so bad. Just once. For the comedy value. Saying that, one important person wouldn't be laughing. The artist! Suffice to say there will be a thorough screening stage, and I'm very good at research. I am hoping to cap at 200, and then whittle that number down to around 150 by eliminating obvious flippers. I think it is very possible to find 150 people who genuinely want to buy a piece of art from these artists for their wall; making the artist confident that those people feel that way is as important, so I'll be taking that part pretty seriously.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:58:37 GMT 1, and the funniest thread of the year award goes to... Has the print club been named yet? May I suggest Flipper's Dream? I want this to work so bad. Just once. For the comedy value. Saying that, one important person wouldn't be laughing. The artist! Tend to agree with this.
And when the first problem arises? This needs a great deal of legal work right from the start to protect everyone involved.
Good luck.
and the funniest thread of the year award goes to... Has the print club been named yet? May I suggest Flipper's Dream? I want this to work so bad. Just once. For the comedy value. Saying that, one important person wouldn't be laughing. The artist! Tend to agree with this. And when the first problem arises? This needs a great deal of legal work right from the start to protect everyone involved. Good luck.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by opalis141 on Aug 5, 2014 14:58:48 GMT 1, pPersonally, I was going to suggest something like this when the thread was originally started. It makes sense to me to try this out with a lower price point/buy-in so that more members can have access to it ($300-$400 might be steep for some of us) and would support an up-and-comer--it is hard out there when you are first starting out as an artist! It would also be a great way to build lasting relationships in the scene. I also think a lot of emerging artists are more likely to take on a project like this as they would see it as an opportunity rather than a potential headache. We will put in as many measures as possible to prevent flipping - we will absolutely have personalized signatures including first names, if the artist is willing. We will set out terms re: how long you must wait before you trade/sell any of the prints (and it will be a considerable amount of time) and other measures to ensure that those who actually frame/hang the prints will be more likely to attain future prints as that is the whole point, really. And this is probably the worst thing I'll ever have to write on a forum, or anywhere, but if $400 is steep then you likely shouldn't join the group - we need to create a stable list of people willing to fund, potentially in the long-term if this project becomes something more than a single commission; credibility re: funding is pretty integral obviously. We have enough interest that this amount seems reasonable, and given the artists listed we can't really go lower (and it's the artist list that is bringing all of the people together in interest, so going against that is much much harder than it seems; it would almost nullify the efficacy/applicability of a test run on a lesser-known or unlisted artist). Yup, I never planned on joining the group because I don't have the capital on a recurring basis, I understood this would be a requirement for its sustainability (not a bad thing, just realized I don't qualify for this type of thing--but I don't think I would be off in saying that other members who are invested in the community here might not either). Honestly, I didn't write the suggestion when this thread originally popped up becuase I didn't want to hijack it. I was more thinking along the lines of another print commission club at a lower price point--so both could coexist here one for people who would like to invest in working on a print by the big-names and another who would be more interested in an "emerging" artist type of situation. I don't think it would actually be that hard to take a chance on non "blockbuster" artists. I'm thinking someone like Marco Mazzoni--an artist with a decent fan-base, proven track record and relatively low cost originals--his pieces tend to be in the $600-$4,000 range. I think you could still pull in people who were interested without having some of the "blockbuster" artists and wouldn't nullify the efficacy of the group--the investment motivation would simply be different. Motivation for joining one or the other basically would boil down to social vs. return.
Edited to add: I think it is wonderful that you are taking this on coller it is going to be a lot of work but the pay-off is potentially great. I agree that you have to have a lot of buy-in for it to work with the initial list of artists you have chosen.
pPersonally, I was going to suggest something like this when the thread was originally started. It makes sense to me to try this out with a lower price point/buy-in so that more members can have access to it ($300-$400 might be steep for some of us) and would support an up-and-comer--it is hard out there when you are first starting out as an artist! It would also be a great way to build lasting relationships in the scene. I also think a lot of emerging artists are more likely to take on a project like this as they would see it as an opportunity rather than a potential headache. We will put in as many measures as possible to prevent flipping - we will absolutely have personalized signatures including first names, if the artist is willing. We will set out terms re: how long you must wait before you trade/sell any of the prints (and it will be a considerable amount of time) and other measures to ensure that those who actually frame/hang the prints will be more likely to attain future prints as that is the whole point, really. And this is probably the worst thing I'll ever have to write on a forum, or anywhere, but if $400 is steep then you likely shouldn't join the group - we need to create a stable list of people willing to fund, potentially in the long-term if this project becomes something more than a single commission; credibility re: funding is pretty integral obviously. We have enough interest that this amount seems reasonable, and given the artists listed we can't really go lower (and it's the artist list that is bringing all of the people together in interest, so going against that is much much harder than it seems; it would almost nullify the efficacy/applicability of a test run on a lesser-known or unlisted artist). Yup, I never planned on joining the group because I don't have the capital on a recurring basis, I understood this would be a requirement for its sustainability (not a bad thing, just realized I don't qualify for this type of thing--but I don't think I would be off in saying that other members who are invested in the community here might not either). Honestly, I didn't write the suggestion when this thread originally popped up becuase I didn't want to hijack it. I was more thinking along the lines of another print commission club at a lower price point--so both could coexist here one for people who would like to invest in working on a print by the big-names and another who would be more interested in an "emerging" artist type of situation. I don't think it would actually be that hard to take a chance on non "blockbuster" artists. I'm thinking someone like Marco Mazzoni--an artist with a decent fan-base, proven track record and relatively low cost originals--his pieces tend to be in the $600-$4,000 range. I think you could still pull in people who were interested without having some of the "blockbuster" artists and wouldn't nullify the efficacy of the group--the investment motivation would simply be different. Motivation for joining one or the other basically would boil down to social vs. return. Edited to add: I think it is wonderful that you are taking this on coller it is going to be a lot of work but the pay-off is potentially great. I agree that you have to have a lot of buy-in for it to work with the initial list of artists you have chosen.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 15:11:04 GMT 1, And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out.
We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion.
People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now.
And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out.
We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion.
People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Dungle on Aug 5, 2014 15:15:02 GMT 1, And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. It is daft to try to make an item that loses value.
At the end of the day you are buying something for 400$, if you have a change of circumstances (there have been a few recently on this board) then why on earth shouldn't you be able to recoup your outlay.
I thought this was meant to be a fun exercise?
And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. It is daft to try to make an item that loses value. At the end of the day you are buying something for 400$, if you have a change of circumstances (there have been a few recently on this board) then why on earth shouldn't you be able to recoup your outlay. I thought this was meant to be a fun exercise?
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by South Bound on Aug 5, 2014 15:16:02 GMT 1, With going back and reading every thread to see if this has been covered.
How many prints a year are you planning on commissioning?
At $400 a pop, the frequency of this project would determine if I can stay in. While I love the idea of the commissions I also want to have enough $ to actually go out and buy prints that I see being dropped or print out of circulation that come up every now and then..
With going back and reading every thread to see if this has been covered.
How many prints a year are you planning on commissioning?
At $400 a pop, the frequency of this project would determine if I can stay in. While I love the idea of the commissions I also want to have enough $ to actually go out and buy prints that I see being dropped or print out of circulation that come up every now and then..
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by kel on Aug 5, 2014 15:16:27 GMT 1, I like the concept though not sure whether it is something I could get involved with. Would rather know what I am buying first rather than just a name. Because it is a known artist doesn't guarantee it will be a decent image. Nevertheless good luck with it.
I like the concept though not sure whether it is something I could get involved with. Would rather know what I am buying first rather than just a name. Because it is a known artist doesn't guarantee it will be a decent image. Nevertheless good luck with it.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by opalis141 on Aug 5, 2014 15:16:31 GMT 1,
Not sure if this was in response to my comment but when I said return I didn't mean flipping I meant that by being a member of this club one would have the opportunity to own a work by an artist that would normally be valued at a much higher price-point--a wonderful thing when it comes to accessibility and being able to own something you might not be able to otherwise. That is just a different investment motivation from wanting to invest in the career of an up-and-comer.
Not sure if this was in response to my comment but when I said return I didn't mean flipping I meant that by being a member of this club one would have the opportunity to own a work by an artist that would normally be valued at a much higher price-point--a wonderful thing when it comes to accessibility and being able to own something you might not be able to otherwise. That is just a different investment motivation from wanting to invest in the career of an up-and-comer.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by WOOF on Aug 5, 2014 15:17:58 GMT 1, And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. I think we're putting the cart before the horse here. Lets worry about the COA/gift print/making prints that are worth something "worthless" when this is more real than just a bunch of people with no financial stake in the group talking out of our collective butts...
And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. I think we're putting the cart before the horse here. Lets worry about the COA/gift print/making prints that are worth something "worthless" when this is more real than just a bunch of people with no financial stake in the group talking out of our collective butts...
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 15:20:42 GMT 1, And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. It is daft to try to make an item that loses value. At the end of the day you are buying something for 400$, if you have a change of circumstances (there have been a few recently on this board) then why on earth shouldn't you be able to recoup your outlay. I thought this was meant to be a fun exercise? It is a fun exercise. That said, you would be buying a personalized piece of art from an artist you love, not a liquid asset. It would have value to you, but you may not be able to resell it in the future (it is NOT a financial investment); if this doesn't justify paying the $400 then you likely shouldn't join the group.
The whole point of this commission/project is buying art for your wall from an artist you love, with no plan to resell. That concept is unfortunately complicated nowadays, I understand, but that's what I'm trying to do here. There is no 'outlay.' If you foresee changed circumstances that cannot cover $400 in the next year or two, then you very likely should not join the group (I don't think it's ridiculous to ask that we have 150 people who feel like they will not go entirely broke in the next two years).
And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. It is daft to try to make an item that loses value. At the end of the day you are buying something for 400$, if you have a change of circumstances (there have been a few recently on this board) then why on earth shouldn't you be able to recoup your outlay. I thought this was meant to be a fun exercise? It is a fun exercise. That said, you would be buying a personalized piece of art from an artist you love, not a liquid asset. It would have value to you, but you may not be able to resell it in the future (it is NOT a financial investment); if this doesn't justify paying the $400 then you likely shouldn't join the group. The whole point of this commission/project is buying art for your wall from an artist you love, with no plan to resell. That concept is unfortunately complicated nowadays, I understand, but that's what I'm trying to do here. There is no 'outlay.' If you foresee changed circumstances that cannot cover $400 in the next year or two, then you very likely should not join the group (I don't think it's ridiculous to ask that we have 150 people who feel like they will not go entirely broke in the next two years).
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by lvanhoe on Aug 5, 2014 15:21:52 GMT 1, And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. While I agree with almost everything you have posted in this topic: if I am to be a part of this group, I expect my personal details to be kept strictly private and only known to both you and the person that controls the funds. I'm pretty sure nobody wants 150 unknown people to have full insight in their name and address.
And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. While I agree with almost everything you have posted in this topic: if I am to be a part of this group, I expect my personal details to be kept strictly private and only known to both you and the person that controls the funds. I'm pretty sure nobody wants 150 unknown people to have full insight in their name and address.
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