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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 15:22:51 GMT 1, With going back and reading every thread to see if this has been covered. How many prints a year are you planning on commissioning? At $400 a pop, the frequency of this project would determine if I can stay in. While I love the idea of the commissions I also want to have enough $ to actually go out and buy prints that I see being dropped or print out of circulation that come up every now and then.. Absolutely no more than 2 per year. Likely 1 per year.
With going back and reading every thread to see if this has been covered. How many prints a year are you planning on commissioning? At $400 a pop, the frequency of this project would determine if I can stay in. While I love the idea of the commissions I also want to have enough $ to actually go out and buy prints that I see being dropped or print out of circulation that come up every now and then.. Absolutely no more than 2 per year. Likely 1 per year.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 15:24:17 GMT 1, And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. While I agree with almost everything you have posted in this topic: if I am to be a part of this group, I expect my personal details to be kept strictly private and only known to both you and the person that controls the funds. I'm pretty sure nobody wants 150 unknown people to have full insight in their name and address. We will sort this part out when we get there; the ideal point would be that they would hopefully not be 'unknown' and after the screening process would be viewed as pretty trustworthy.
And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. While I agree with almost everything you have posted in this topic: if I am to be a part of this group, I expect my personal details to be kept strictly private and only known to both you and the person that controls the funds. I'm pretty sure nobody wants 150 unknown people to have full insight in their name and address. We will sort this part out when we get there; the ideal point would be that they would hopefully not be 'unknown' and after the screening process would be viewed as pretty trustworthy.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Dungle on Aug 5, 2014 15:26:56 GMT 1, It is daft to try to make an item that loses value. At the end of the day you are buying something for 400$, if you have a change of circumstances (there have been a few recently on this board) then why on earth shouldn't you be able to recoup your outlay. I thought this was meant to be a fun exercise? It is a fun exercise. That said, you would be buying a personalized piece of art from an artist you love, not a liquid asset. It would have value to you, but you may not be able to resell it in the future (it is NOT a financial investment); if this doesn't justify paying the $400 then you likely shouldn't join the group. The whole point of this commission/project is buying art for your wall from an artist you love, with no plan to resell. That concept is unfortunately complicated nowadays, I understand, but that's what I'm trying to do here. There is no 'outlay.' If you foresee changed circumstances that cannot cover $400 in the next year or two, then you very likely should not join the group (I don't think it's ridiculous to ask that we have 150 people who feel like they will not go entirely broke in the next two years). I'm sorry but it is a financial investment. That is exactly what it is. The way you make it sound is that you can never sell this print. That is simply unenforceable.
I've tried to sell one print on here ever, and it didn't sell. I have no intention of selling this if it works, but to suggest that people cant sell something they have paid for is quite frankly nonsense.
It is daft to try to make an item that loses value. At the end of the day you are buying something for 400$, if you have a change of circumstances (there have been a few recently on this board) then why on earth shouldn't you be able to recoup your outlay. I thought this was meant to be a fun exercise? It is a fun exercise. That said, you would be buying a personalized piece of art from an artist you love, not a liquid asset. It would have value to you, but you may not be able to resell it in the future (it is NOT a financial investment); if this doesn't justify paying the $400 then you likely shouldn't join the group. The whole point of this commission/project is buying art for your wall from an artist you love, with no plan to resell. That concept is unfortunately complicated nowadays, I understand, but that's what I'm trying to do here. There is no 'outlay.' If you foresee changed circumstances that cannot cover $400 in the next year or two, then you very likely should not join the group (I don't think it's ridiculous to ask that we have 150 people who feel like they will not go entirely broke in the next two years). I'm sorry but it is a financial investment. That is exactly what it is. The way you make it sound is that you can never sell this print. That is simply unenforceable. I've tried to sell one print on here ever, and it didn't sell. I have no intention of selling this if it works, but to suggest that people cant sell something they have paid for is quite frankly nonsense.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by lvanhoe on Aug 5, 2014 15:29:35 GMT 1, While I agree with almost everything you have posted in this topic: if I am to be a part of this group, I expect my personal details to be kept strictly private and only known to both you and the person that controls the funds. I'm pretty sure nobody wants 150 unknown people to have full insight in their name and address. We will sort this part out when we get there; the ideal point would be that they would hopefully not be 'unknown' and after the screening process would be viewed as pretty trustworthy. After having been on the internet for 20 years I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that you can never totally trust 150 people that banded together through the internet. You will most probably have a database of people that have a LOT of highly valued art on their walls. If your database ever falls in the wrong hands, a group of burglars is going to have an absolute blast 'visiting' us.
Not wanting to be a b*tch about this but I felt this needs to be said.
While I agree with almost everything you have posted in this topic: if I am to be a part of this group, I expect my personal details to be kept strictly private and only known to both you and the person that controls the funds. I'm pretty sure nobody wants 150 unknown people to have full insight in their name and address. We will sort this part out when we get there; the ideal point would be that they would hopefully not be 'unknown' and after the screening process would be viewed as pretty trustworthy. After having been on the internet for 20 years I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that you can never totally trust 150 people that banded together through the internet. You will most probably have a database of people that have a LOT of highly valued art on their walls. If your database ever falls in the wrong hands, a group of burglars is going to have an absolute blast 'visiting' us. Not wanting to be a b*tch about this but I felt this needs to be said.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 15:30:19 GMT 1, And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. I think we're putting the cart before the horse here. Lets worry about the COA/gift print/making prints that are worth something "worthless" when this is more real than just a bunch of people with no financial stake in the group talking out of our collective butts... What I'm trying to say is this, really: when you're entering this club, you are saying that you want to commission a private print from an artist listed on the first page. The club will take every possible measure to ensure that it has no resale value but is absolutely worth $400, if not priceless, to you (since that's the reason you joined); you are buying art for art's sake. Imagine an art world without a secondary market, and that is what this is trying to achieve on a micro-scale. If that is a problem for anyone, then they can feel free to withdraw and there will be absolutely no judgment.
And as I mentioned before, if you're going into this trying to make money or flip then you probably won't be happy with the end result. At all. Not really gonna hold back on that one if someone gets caught red-handed; just imagine your nightmare scenario and multiply it by the internet. We'll have the group sort it out. We'll make these prints as unflippable as possible, both systematically within the club and based on the prints themselves (names on prints if possible, etc.); ideally these would be prints that would be worth $400/priceless to you, but not worth anything to anyone else. Hell, I'm honestly considering asking for gift prints without COAs as an option; that addresses what we're trying to achieve pretty well, in my opinion. People are also less likely to flip a print for a few hundred dollars when they know there is a club of 149 other people who know who they are; this club will not be anonymous, at all, once fully formed - there is absolutely no reason for it to be. I know there are a ton of people doing that stuff in the urban art/print scene, but this project definitely isn't about that at all; emphasizing that now. I think we're putting the cart before the horse here. Lets worry about the COA/gift print/making prints that are worth something "worthless" when this is more real than just a bunch of people with no financial stake in the group talking out of our collective butts... What I'm trying to say is this, really: when you're entering this club, you are saying that you want to commission a private print from an artist listed on the first page. The club will take every possible measure to ensure that it has no resale value but is absolutely worth $400, if not priceless, to you (since that's the reason you joined); you are buying art for art's sake. Imagine an art world without a secondary market, and that is what this is trying to achieve on a micro-scale. If that is a problem for anyone, then they can feel free to withdraw and there will be absolutely no judgment.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 15:31:10 GMT 1, We will sort this part out when we get there; the ideal point would be that they would hopefully not be 'unknown' and after the screening process would be viewed as pretty trustworthy. After having been on the internet for 20 years I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that you can never totally trust 150 people that banded together through the internet. You will most probably have a database of people that have a LOT of highly valued art on their walls. If your database ever falls in the wrong hands, a group of burglars is going to have an absolute blast 'visiting' us. Not wanting to be a b*tch about this but I felt this needs to be said. We're on the same page, trust me.
We will sort this part out when we get there; the ideal point would be that they would hopefully not be 'unknown' and after the screening process would be viewed as pretty trustworthy. After having been on the internet for 20 years I can tell you, with absolute certainty, that you can never totally trust 150 people that banded together through the internet. You will most probably have a database of people that have a LOT of highly valued art on their walls. If your database ever falls in the wrong hands, a group of burglars is going to have an absolute blast 'visiting' us. Not wanting to be a b*tch about this but I felt this needs to be said. We're on the same page, trust me.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 15:34:39 GMT 1, I'm sorry but it is a financial investment. That is exactly what it is. The way you make it sound is that you can never sell this print. That is simply unenforceable. I've tried to sell one print on here ever, and it didn't sell. I have no intention of selling this if it works, but to suggest that people cant sell something they have paid for is quite frankly nonsense. If you view this commission as a financial investment, then you should absolutely not join the club. That is as simple as I can put it. You buy things everyday for your own enjoyment that are not supposed to be resold in the future, or cannot be; that is what commissioning art originally was (and often still is) in its organic form before the development of a secondary market. I don't think this is a ridiculous concept, and if this lowers the membership to 100 then I'm perfectly happy with that.
I'm sorry but it is a financial investment. That is exactly what it is. The way you make it sound is that you can never sell this print. That is simply unenforceable. I've tried to sell one print on here ever, and it didn't sell. I have no intention of selling this if it works, but to suggest that people cant sell something they have paid for is quite frankly nonsense. If you view this commission as a financial investment, then you should absolutely not join the club. That is as simple as I can put it. You buy things everyday for your own enjoyment that are not supposed to be resold in the future, or cannot be; that is what commissioning art originally was (and often still is) in its organic form before the development of a secondary market. I don't think this is a ridiculous concept, and if this lowers the membership to 100 then I'm perfectly happy with that.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by umphreak on Aug 5, 2014 15:54:00 GMT 1, It is a fun exercise. That said, you would be buying a personalized piece of art from an artist you love, not a liquid asset. It would have value to you, but you may not be able to resell it in the future (it is NOT a financial investment); if this doesn't justify paying the $400 then you likely shouldn't join the group. The whole point of this commission/project is buying art for your wall from an artist you love, with no plan to resell. That concept is unfortunately complicated nowadays, I understand, but that's what I'm trying to do here. There is no 'outlay.' If you foresee changed circumstances that cannot cover $400 in the next year or two, then you very likely should not join the group (I don't think it's ridiculous to ask that we have 150 people who feel like they will not go entirely broke in the next two years). I'm sorry but it is a financial investment. That is exactly what it is. The way you make it sound is that you can never sell this print. That is simply unenforceable. I've tried to sell one print on here ever, and it didn't sell. I have no intention of selling this if it works, but to suggest that people cant sell something they have paid for is quite frankly nonsense. I don't think anyone thinks it'll be a legally enforceable prohibition on sale. That said, certain steps can be taken to creatively discourage those from reselling/flipping. Of course someone could sell their print, but if it became known, they could get booted from the club.
By the way, we should add Aryz to the list. I can reach out to his outfit to see if this is something they'd be interested in.
The question i have (posted this before), is who gets the original? I assume the OG is worth quite a bit. An idea: Set the price of the OG, then those members who would like to buy it, put submit their names and then a drawing would occur to determine who gets the OG.
Another idea: Have everyone chip in a little bit more (i.e. an extra $100) and one member, at random, gets the original instead of the print. Once you "win" one print, i say you're out for a period of time (but still required to pay the full amount for other prints).
It is a fun exercise. That said, you would be buying a personalized piece of art from an artist you love, not a liquid asset. It would have value to you, but you may not be able to resell it in the future (it is NOT a financial investment); if this doesn't justify paying the $400 then you likely shouldn't join the group. The whole point of this commission/project is buying art for your wall from an artist you love, with no plan to resell. That concept is unfortunately complicated nowadays, I understand, but that's what I'm trying to do here. There is no 'outlay.' If you foresee changed circumstances that cannot cover $400 in the next year or two, then you very likely should not join the group (I don't think it's ridiculous to ask that we have 150 people who feel like they will not go entirely broke in the next two years). I'm sorry but it is a financial investment. That is exactly what it is. The way you make it sound is that you can never sell this print. That is simply unenforceable. I've tried to sell one print on here ever, and it didn't sell. I have no intention of selling this if it works, but to suggest that people cant sell something they have paid for is quite frankly nonsense. I don't think anyone thinks it'll be a legally enforceable prohibition on sale. That said, certain steps can be taken to creatively discourage those from reselling/flipping. Of course someone could sell their print, but if it became known, they could get booted from the club. By the way, we should add Aryz to the list. I can reach out to his outfit to see if this is something they'd be interested in. The question i have (posted this before), is who gets the original? I assume the OG is worth quite a bit. An idea: Set the price of the OG, then those members who would like to buy it, put submit their names and then a drawing would occur to determine who gets the OG. Another idea: Have everyone chip in a little bit more (i.e. an extra $100) and one member, at random, gets the original instead of the print. Once you "win" one print, i say you're out for a period of time (but still required to pay the full amount for other prints).
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by WOOF on Aug 5, 2014 15:56:48 GMT 1, The OG gets kept by the artist normally.
The OG gets kept by the artist normally.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by cashewman on Aug 5, 2014 15:57:57 GMT 1, Just a quick note of support for dss111 - lots of chatter, lots of suggestions, and a little questioning here. (Including my own suggestions) please just treat all of this as interested thoughts, and not each response as something that needs to be totally satisfied. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
If you end up picking the best path you can, incorporating a few of the best suggestions, and even half the people join, you can consider that a *huge* success.
Rock on. B
Just a quick note of support for dss111 - lots of chatter, lots of suggestions, and a little questioning here. (Including my own suggestions) please just treat all of this as interested thoughts, and not each response as something that needs to be totally satisfied. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) If you end up picking the best path you can, incorporating a few of the best suggestions, and even half the people join, you can consider that a *huge* success. Rock on. B
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 16:02:03 GMT 1, The OG gets kept by the artist normally. This, ideally. Or it is an existing OG.
The OG gets kept by the artist normally. This, ideally. Or it is an existing OG.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 16:05:03 GMT 1, The OG gets kept by the artist normally. This, ideally. Or it is an existing OG. Aha! BUT, if it is what happens if the owner of the original is a bit pissed that prints are being made of the image?.
The OG gets kept by the artist normally. This, ideally. Or it is an existing OG. Aha! BUT, if it is what happens if the owner of the original is a bit pissed that prints are being made of the image?.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by umphreak on Aug 5, 2014 16:06:52 GMT 1, This, ideally. Or it is an existing OG. Aha! BUT, if it is what happens if the owner of the original is a bit pissed that prints are being made of the image?. Would they be pissed? I think it would be cool to have an OG where prints were made and only offered to a group of art collectors.
This, ideally. Or it is an existing OG. Aha! BUT, if it is what happens if the owner of the original is a bit pissed that prints are being made of the image?. Would they be pissed? I think it would be cool to have an OG where prints were made and only offered to a group of art collectors.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 16:07:16 GMT 1, This, ideally. Or it is an existing OG. Aha! BUT, if it is what happens if the owner of the original is a bit pissed that prints are being made of the image?. Haha I'm sure the owner of the OG - if it has been sold already - would have to approve, otherwise that seems unfair. But yeah, things for much later in the process.
This, ideally. Or it is an existing OG. Aha! BUT, if it is what happens if the owner of the original is a bit pissed that prints are being made of the image?. Haha I'm sure the owner of the OG - if it has been sold already - would have to approve, otherwise that seems unfair. But yeah, things for much later in the process.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 16:10:12 GMT 1, Aha! BUT, if it is what happens if the owner of the original is a bit pissed that prints are being made of the image?. Would they be pissed? I think it would be cool to have an OG where prints were made and only offered to a group of art collectors. Thats your view on it, I believe others would not want it.
Aha! BUT, if it is what happens if the owner of the original is a bit pissed that prints are being made of the image?. Would they be pissed? I think it would be cool to have an OG where prints were made and only offered to a group of art collectors. Thats your view on it, I believe others would not want it.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Mark Perronet on Aug 5, 2014 16:12:24 GMT 1, Can I just point out that IMO the most interesting prints don't have an original, they are original prints, designed to be prints. If there is an 'original' then the prints are reproductions.
Can I just point out that IMO the most interesting prints don't have an original, they are original prints, designed to be prints. If there is an 'original' then the prints are reproductions.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 16:15:06 GMT 1, Can I just point out that IMO the most interesting prints don't have an original, they are original prints, designed to be prints. If there is an 'original' then the prints are reproductions. I'd love a print without an original. That said, we will have to work with what we're given.
Can I just point out that IMO the most interesting prints don't have an original, they are original prints, designed to be prints. If there is an 'original' then the prints are reproductions. I'd love a print without an original. That said, we will have to work with what we're given.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Mark Perronet on Aug 5, 2014 16:23:09 GMT 1, I thought you were going to be commissioning...with thousands of dollars?
I thought you were going to be commissioning...with thousands of dollars?
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by soam24 on Aug 5, 2014 16:44:09 GMT 1, How will you do if there is a series of 50 prints, and there are 100 people interested?
Great question.
Not everyone is going to be down with every artist and the subject matter. A poll would have to be ran. On facebook, a private group is created with only the members and an interest poll is created.
i.e. Who has interest in a d*face print with of ![](http://www.ukstreetart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/D_Face-Love-Her-Hate-Him2-526x592.jpg)
From there, people vote if they are interested or not.
If enough interest OP contacts d*face regarding time frame, edition size and most importantly cost. Time frame is the big issue alot of artists are booked 6 months in advance.
After that an OFFICIAL IN/OUT POLL is conducted. If you're IN, your IN, no backing out. If you're OUT, you just wait until a new commission comes up with something you like.
So a group of 100 may only have a 75 print run due to member size who want it. Or, even if it is 100 prints and 75 want, the other 25 get sold off and proceeds go back to the group cost.
Yes, it is a TON of work, but it can be done.
I have a good grasp on this and I think could be of great help in organizing and input.
How will you do if there is a series of 50 prints, and there are 100 people interested? Great question. Not everyone is going to be down with every artist and the subject matter. A poll would have to be ran. On facebook, a private group is created with only the members and an interest poll is created. i.e. Who has interest in a d*face print with of ![](http://www.ukstreetart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/D_Face-Love-Her-Hate-Him2-526x592.jpg) From there, people vote if they are interested or not. If enough interest OP contacts d*face regarding time frame, edition size and most importantly cost. Time frame is the big issue alot of artists are booked 6 months in advance. After that an OFFICIAL IN/OUT POLL is conducted. If you're IN, your IN, no backing out. If you're OUT, you just wait until a new commission comes up with something you like. So a group of 100 may only have a 75 print run due to member size who want it. Or, even if it is 100 prints and 75 want, the other 25 get sold off and proceeds go back to the group cost. Yes, it is a TON of work, but it can be done. I have a good grasp on this and I think could be of great help in organizing and input.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 16:52:31 GMT 1, How will you do if there is a series of 50 prints, and there are 100 people interested? Great question. Not everyone is going to be down with every artist and the subject matter. A poll would have to be ran. On facebook, a private group is created with only the members and an interest poll is created. i.e. Who has interest in a d*face print with of ![](http://www.ukstreetart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/D_Face-Love-Her-Hate-Him2-526x592.jpg) From there, people vote if they are interested or not. If enough interest OP contacts d*face regarding time frame, edition size and most importantly cost. Time frame is the big issue alot of artists are booked 6 months in advance. After that an OFFICIAL IN/OUT POLL is conducted. If you're IN, your IN, no backing out. If you're OUT, you just wait until a new commission comes up with something you like. So a group of 100 may only have a 75 print run due to member size who want it. Or, even if it is 100 prints and 75 want, the other 25 get sold off and proceeds go back to the group cost. Yes, it is a TON of work, but it can be done. I have a good grasp on this and I think could be of great help in organizing and input. I would love for the group to have that much control; we'll see what happens. And I'm 100% onboard for a print of that D, if you can't tell already.
How will you do if there is a series of 50 prints, and there are 100 people interested? Great question. Not everyone is going to be down with every artist and the subject matter. A poll would have to be ran. On facebook, a private group is created with only the members and an interest poll is created. i.e. Who has interest in a d*face print with of ![](http://www.ukstreetart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/D_Face-Love-Her-Hate-Him2-526x592.jpg) From there, people vote if they are interested or not. If enough interest OP contacts d*face regarding time frame, edition size and most importantly cost. Time frame is the big issue alot of artists are booked 6 months in advance. After that an OFFICIAL IN/OUT POLL is conducted. If you're IN, your IN, no backing out. If you're OUT, you just wait until a new commission comes up with something you like. So a group of 100 may only have a 75 print run due to member size who want it. Or, even if it is 100 prints and 75 want, the other 25 get sold off and proceeds go back to the group cost. Yes, it is a TON of work, but it can be done. I have a good grasp on this and I think could be of great help in organizing and input. I would love for the group to have that much control; we'll see what happens. And I'm 100% onboard for a print of that D, if you can't tell already.
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soam24
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by soam24 on Aug 5, 2014 16:57:41 GMT 1, Great question. Not everyone is going to be down with every artist and the subject matter. A poll would have to be ran. On facebook, a private group is created with only the members and an interest poll is created. i.e. Who has interest in a d*face print with of ![](http://www.ukstreetart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/D_Face-Love-Her-Hate-Him2-526x592.jpg) From there, people vote if they are interested or not. If enough interest OP contacts d*face regarding time frame, edition size and most importantly cost. Time frame is the big issue alot of artists are booked 6 months in advance. After that an OFFICIAL IN/OUT POLL is conducted. If you're IN, your IN, no backing out. If you're OUT, you just wait until a new commission comes up with something you like. So a group of 100 may only have a 75 print run due to member size who want it. Or, even if it is 100 prints and 75 want, the other 25 get sold off and proceeds go back to the group cost. Yes, it is a TON of work, but it can be done. I have a good grasp on this and I think could be of great help in organizing and input. I would love for the group to have that much control; we'll see what happens. And I'm 100% onboard for a print of that D, if you can't tell already.
Who isn't I just used it as an example.
Having control is the way something like this needs to be ran, it needs to be organized. Shoot me an email as you have it from the PM i sent you and we'll chat.
I've seen bumps in the road on how easily things can be unorganized and a nightmare but overall I love the concept of this group. Let's get a DAL
Great question. Not everyone is going to be down with every artist and the subject matter. A poll would have to be ran. On facebook, a private group is created with only the members and an interest poll is created. i.e. Who has interest in a d*face print with of ![](http://www.ukstreetart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/D_Face-Love-Her-Hate-Him2-526x592.jpg) From there, people vote if they are interested or not. If enough interest OP contacts d*face regarding time frame, edition size and most importantly cost. Time frame is the big issue alot of artists are booked 6 months in advance. After that an OFFICIAL IN/OUT POLL is conducted. If you're IN, your IN, no backing out. If you're OUT, you just wait until a new commission comes up with something you like. So a group of 100 may only have a 75 print run due to member size who want it. Or, even if it is 100 prints and 75 want, the other 25 get sold off and proceeds go back to the group cost. Yes, it is a TON of work, but it can be done. I have a good grasp on this and I think could be of great help in organizing and input. I would love for the group to have that much control; we'll see what happens. And I'm 100% onboard for a print of that D, if you can't tell already. Who isn't I just used it as an example. Having control is the way something like this needs to be ran, it needs to be organized. Shoot me an email as you have it from the PM i sent you and we'll chat. I've seen bumps in the road on how easily things can be unorganized and a nightmare but overall I love the concept of this group. Let's get a DAL
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 17:02:14 GMT 1, I would love for the group to have that much control; we'll see what happens. And I'm 100% onboard for a print of that D, if you can't tell already. Who isn't I just used it as an example. Having control is the way something like this needs to be ran, it needs to be organized. Shoot me an email as you have it from the PM i sent you and we'll chat. I've seen bumps in the road on how easily things can be unorganized and a nightmare but overall I love the concept of this group. Let's get a DAL Gonna take a few days to get everything organized before the first e-mail goes out; that'll be a BCC'd e-mail that contains a list of all members in the club. Anyone who thinks that any member should not be included can reply to me and include their reasons, and I will look into it.
After that, we will see how planning the actual commissions go; but really, everyone should be wiling to blindly commit $400 to a print from any artist from that list. That will be the easiest way to actually have something happen; we'll definitely pitch ideas to artists, but I'm not sure how open they will be to creating a print of a popular image vs. one they choose at their own discretion. If 60% of the people on my spreadsheet are willing to commission based on artist alone, then we should be perfectly fine.
That said, there are so many people interested that I really think we have the potential to actually accomplish something, even after the above filtering process. And we can try several runs with different artists, or experiment with ideas, etc. - really just seeing if this has the potential to become something, and it seems like it does.
I would love for the group to have that much control; we'll see what happens. And I'm 100% onboard for a print of that D, if you can't tell already. Who isn't I just used it as an example. Having control is the way something like this needs to be ran, it needs to be organized. Shoot me an email as you have it from the PM i sent you and we'll chat. I've seen bumps in the road on how easily things can be unorganized and a nightmare but overall I love the concept of this group. Let's get a DAL Gonna take a few days to get everything organized before the first e-mail goes out; that'll be a BCC'd e-mail that contains a list of all members in the club. Anyone who thinks that any member should not be included can reply to me and include their reasons, and I will look into it. After that, we will see how planning the actual commissions go; but really, everyone should be wiling to blindly commit $400 to a print from any artist from that list. That will be the easiest way to actually have something happen; we'll definitely pitch ideas to artists, but I'm not sure how open they will be to creating a print of a popular image vs. one they choose at their own discretion. If 60% of the people on my spreadsheet are willing to commission based on artist alone, then we should be perfectly fine. That said, there are so many people interested that I really think we have the potential to actually accomplish something, even after the above filtering process. And we can try several runs with different artists, or experiment with ideas, etc. - really just seeing if this has the potential to become something, and it seems like it does.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 17:11:45 GMT 1, Crikey fella, go and have a kip, you must be on your third keyboard today answering all these questions.
Crikey fella, go and have a kip, you must be on your third keyboard today answering all these questions.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by soam24 on Aug 5, 2014 17:15:34 GMT 1, Yes you're spot on. Alot is going in blind with a subject, subject matter etc etc but it's the risk you take.
Yes you're spot on. Alot is going in blind with a subject, subject matter etc etc but it's the risk you take.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 17:16:25 GMT 1, Crikey fella, go and have a kip, you must be on your third keyboard today answering all these questions. I simply must take this advice. Will be in touch in the following days (and intermittently update in here).
Crikey fella, go and have a kip, you must be on your third keyboard today answering all these questions. I simply must take this advice. Will be in touch in the following days (and intermittently update in here).
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Nick on Aug 5, 2014 17:24:00 GMT 1, The idea that you can't sell it on will cause a million problems. Everything has a price and you are always an unforseen circumstance away from having to sell something you don't want to. (look at fed's car for example). I've commisioned a few pieces in the last 24months, and love them...but don't get me wrong, if a grail piece was to come available i would not hesitate to sell them to offset payment. Morale of the story being, i bought them for the wall..but i'm selling them for the wall (or life circumstances).
Once pics get posted of a print, others from outside the forum, and members who did not take part will want them...limited supply will mean price increases and a member should have the benefit of that.
Alot of us, myself included, buy art to put on the wall instead of have the money sit in a bank. We know that the prints are liquid(ish) and if troubles arise we can sell. It's not flipping, i'ts also not pure investment. It's a mixture of investment and passion and the potential future sale, if needed, can often justify the outlay.
Im sure alot of those who have signed up can't justify the price with a product that has poor resale. Not because we aim to flip. But because we recognise that our tastes change, and that art is only pretty paper which one day if needed can become tender pretty quickly.
I don't really have an alternative to your no selling rule, but gift prints and no COA's def isn't the right option.
The idea that you can't sell it on will cause a million problems. Everything has a price and you are always an unforseen circumstance away from having to sell something you don't want to. (look at fed's car for example). I've commisioned a few pieces in the last 24months, and love them...but don't get me wrong, if a grail piece was to come available i would not hesitate to sell them to offset payment. Morale of the story being, i bought them for the wall..but i'm selling them for the wall (or life circumstances).
Once pics get posted of a print, others from outside the forum, and members who did not take part will want them...limited supply will mean price increases and a member should have the benefit of that.
Alot of us, myself included, buy art to put on the wall instead of have the money sit in a bank. We know that the prints are liquid(ish) and if troubles arise we can sell. It's not flipping, i'ts also not pure investment. It's a mixture of investment and passion and the potential future sale, if needed, can often justify the outlay.
Im sure alot of those who have signed up can't justify the price with a product that has poor resale. Not because we aim to flip. But because we recognise that our tastes change, and that art is only pretty paper which one day if needed can become tender pretty quickly.
I don't really have an alternative to your no selling rule, but gift prints and no COA's def isn't the right option.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by alittle on Aug 5, 2014 17:31:28 GMT 1, My head is spinning.
My head is spinning.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by doctor on Aug 5, 2014 17:32:33 GMT 1, Stop drinking at lunch then
Stop drinking at lunch then
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by WOOF on Aug 5, 2014 17:35:52 GMT 1, Stop drinking at lunch then Don't do me what to tell.
Stop drinking at lunch then Don't do me what to tell.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by badgersurf on Aug 5, 2014 17:52:04 GMT 1, This sounds like a fantastic idea, hopefully some artist will get behind the idea. And thanks to Dss111 for looking at trying to make this a reality.
This sounds like a fantastic idea, hopefully some artist will get behind the idea. And thanks to Dss111 for looking at trying to make this a reality.
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