love
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by love on Aug 6, 2014 2:54:45 GMT 1, I love the idea... Hope we can start something.
I love the idea... Hope we can start something.
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sipps
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by sipps on Aug 6, 2014 3:28:04 GMT 1, I think the idea of a small collectors club approaching several of the most collectable artists to commission some sort of special edition release is brilliant. yes, the process and organization may be tedious at times but that is no reason to not try. maybe the majority of artists will decline but I'm also pretty sure that a few of them would be humbled by the request and be more than happy to help out a collective of art freaks. DSS111 - let's keep this idea moving and please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
post script - can we get bast on the list of artists the group would like to commission? just a thought.
I think the idea of a small collectors club approaching several of the most collectable artists to commission some sort of special edition release is brilliant. yes, the process and organization may be tedious at times but that is no reason to not try. maybe the majority of artists will decline but I'm also pretty sure that a few of them would be humbled by the request and be more than happy to help out a collective of art freaks. DSS111 - let's keep this idea moving and please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
post script - can we get bast on the list of artists the group would like to commission? just a thought.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 3:38:30 GMT 1, FYI the next part of this - likely in a few days - will be a BCC'd e-mail asking you to reply by answering seven questions that'll help me sort a ton of necessary information for how we should approach this commission project, including ranking the listed artists, etc. Replying will take less than five minutes.
The concept of adding new artists will be addressed in that e-mail, but no new artists will be added until we are confident that the club is okay with it on whole since interest in the original artist list is mostly what brings us together and makes this possible.
We will not address edition sizes/numbers until we have a better understanding of how many people will definitely be in the club, which we won't know until the second e-mail at the earliest (which will also be BCC'd).
FYI the next part of this - likely in a few days - will be a BCC'd e-mail asking you to reply by answering seven questions that'll help me sort a ton of necessary information for how we should approach this commission project, including ranking the listed artists, etc. Replying will take less than five minutes.
The concept of adding new artists will be addressed in that e-mail, but no new artists will be added until we are confident that the club is okay with it on whole since interest in the original artist list is mostly what brings us together and makes this possible.
We will not address edition sizes/numbers until we have a better understanding of how many people will definitely be in the club, which we won't know until the second e-mail at the earliest (which will also be BCC'd).
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by fatlace on Aug 6, 2014 7:26:06 GMT 1, Dss111 why you just don't make the 5 years rules ... Somme artist and gallery sell big art piece with this rules ... You can't sell the art in the first 5 years ! You gonna have less challenge than work with CoA and signature etc ... I think you will have less troubles for you with something simple like that ... All member need to sign the paper that say's no sell before 5 years before buying the print !
Dss111 why you just don't make the 5 years rules ... Somme artist and gallery sell big art piece with this rules ... You can't sell the art in the first 5 years ! You gonna have less challenge than work with CoA and signature etc ... I think you will have less troubles for you with something simple like that ... All member need to sign the paper that say's no sell before 5 years before buying the print !
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Shoot Again on Aug 6, 2014 7:45:30 GMT 1, Dss111 why you just don't make the 5 years rules ... Somme artist and gallery sell big art piece with this rules ... You can't sell the art in the first 5 years ! You gonna have less challenge than work with CoA and signature etc ... I think you will have less troubles for you with something simple like that ... All member need to sign the paper that say's no sell before 5 years before buying the print ! People had to acknowledge to a 2 years rule (or something like that) for the DRAN 100j drawings and let me tell you that this didn't work... AT ALL ;-) Can't remember the exact terms as they were never really respected anyway ;-(
Dss111 why you just don't make the 5 years rules ... Somme artist and gallery sell big art piece with this rules ... You can't sell the art in the first 5 years ! You gonna have less challenge than work with CoA and signature etc ... I think you will have less troubles for you with something simple like that ... All member need to sign the paper that say's no sell before 5 years before buying the print ! People had to acknowledge to a 2 years rule (or something like that) for the DRAN 100j drawings and let me tell you that this didn't work... AT ALL ;-) Can't remember the exact terms as they were never really respected anyway ;-(
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 8:16:55 GMT 1, Dss111 why you just don't make the 5 years rules ... Somme artist and gallery sell big art piece with this rules ... You can't sell the art in the first 5 years ! You gonna have less challenge than work with CoA and signature etc ... I think you will have less troubles for you with something simple like that ... All member need to sign the paper that say's no sell before 5 years before buying the print ! People had to acknowledge to a 2 years rule (or something like that) for the DRAN 100j drawings and let me tell you that this didn't work... AT ALL ;-) Can't remember the exact terms as they were never really respected anyway ;-( I remember a Gallery trying a 12 month no selling on clause with a certain Artists works, people were offering them around privately within a month, these clauses are unenforceable, once its yours its yours and thats it.
Dss111 why you just don't make the 5 years rules ... Somme artist and gallery sell big art piece with this rules ... You can't sell the art in the first 5 years ! You gonna have less challenge than work with CoA and signature etc ... I think you will have less troubles for you with something simple like that ... All member need to sign the paper that say's no sell before 5 years before buying the print ! People had to acknowledge to a 2 years rule (or something like that) for the DRAN 100j drawings and let me tell you that this didn't work... AT ALL ;-) Can't remember the exact terms as they were never really respected anyway ;-( I remember a Gallery trying a 12 month no selling on clause with a certain Artists works, people were offering them around privately within a month, these clauses are unenforceable, once its yours its yours and thats it.
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mutatis
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by mutatis on Aug 6, 2014 9:05:01 GMT 1, People had to acknowledge to a 2 years rule (or something like that) for the DRAN 100j drawings and let me tell you that this didn't work... AT ALL ;-) Can't remember the exact terms as they were never really respected anyway ;-( I remember a Gallery trying a 12 month no selling on clause with a certain Artists works, people were offering them around privately within a month, these clauses are unenforceable, once its yours its yours and thats it. Shoot Again @wizbong - I bought a piece recently which was subject to conditions of resale. Apart from the fact that the terms were sent to me with a formal invoice after purchase - rendering them not incorporated into the contract and therefore not legally enforceable - the actual drafting of the terms left a lot to be desired. Legally enforceable - NO. If I sell it privately will they know? NO (I haven't sold it). So practicably enforceable - NO.
So what's the point here? The impression I get from the OP and reading the threads is that it is just one mechanism proposed to TRY and deter "flipping". There are always going to be those that abide by the rules, even if for others, "rules are made to be broken" - but that is not any reason not to have rules. The point is, if you impose rules and conditions, the more sensible they are, the more likely they are to be respected. I presume that the only true sanction here for what might be depending on how it is drafted, a breach of contract or breach of membership rules - would be banishment from the club. I am sure people could live with that.
What should be fairly simple, becomes a nightmare the more one over-analyses it and the more people like me comment.
People had to acknowledge to a 2 years rule (or something like that) for the DRAN 100j drawings and let me tell you that this didn't work... AT ALL ;-) Can't remember the exact terms as they were never really respected anyway ;-( I remember a Gallery trying a 12 month no selling on clause with a certain Artists works, people were offering them around privately within a month, these clauses are unenforceable, once its yours its yours and thats it. Shoot Again @wizbong - I bought a piece recently which was subject to conditions of resale. Apart from the fact that the terms were sent to me with a formal invoice after purchase - rendering them not incorporated into the contract and therefore not legally enforceable - the actual drafting of the terms left a lot to be desired. Legally enforceable - NO. If I sell it privately will they know? NO (I haven't sold it). So practicably enforceable - NO. So what's the point here? The impression I get from the OP and reading the threads is that it is just one mechanism proposed to TRY and deter "flipping". There are always going to be those that abide by the rules, even if for others, "rules are made to be broken" - but that is not any reason not to have rules. The point is, if you impose rules and conditions, the more sensible they are, the more likely they are to be respected. I presume that the only true sanction here for what might be depending on how it is drafted, a breach of contract or breach of membership rules - would be banishment from the club. I am sure people could live with that. What should be fairly simple, becomes a nightmare the more one over-analyses it and the more people like me comment.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by johnnyh on Aug 6, 2014 11:39:02 GMT 1, Dss111 why you just don't make the 5 years rules ... Somme artist and gallery sell big art piece with this rules ... You can't sell the art in the first 5 years ! You gonna have less challenge than work with CoA and signature etc ... I think you will have less troubles for you with something simple like that ... All member need to sign the paper that say's no sell before 5 years before buying the print ! People had to acknowledge to a 2 years rule (or something like that) for the DRAN 100j drawings and let me tell you that this didn't work... AT ALL ;-) Can't remember the exact terms as they were never really respected anyway ;-( Fully agree with all the points made although he can set a 2 year rule. No he cannot take you to court for selling but would just work on you do it once then never get another and kicked from the group. So there are benefits to the group concept and likewise who he includes in his group .
Dss111 why you just don't make the 5 years rules ... Somme artist and gallery sell big art piece with this rules ... You can't sell the art in the first 5 years ! You gonna have less challenge than work with CoA and signature etc ... I think you will have less troubles for you with something simple like that ... All member need to sign the paper that say's no sell before 5 years before buying the print ! People had to acknowledge to a 2 years rule (or something like that) for the DRAN 100j drawings and let me tell you that this didn't work... AT ALL ;-) Can't remember the exact terms as they were never really respected anyway ;-( Fully agree with all the points made although he can set a 2 year rule. No he cannot take you to court for selling but would just work on you do it once then never get another and kicked from the group. So there are benefits to the group concept and likewise who he includes in his group .
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by vinylcoholic on Aug 6, 2014 12:24:14 GMT 1, Don't have the time to read all comments so apologies if this was covered but it's all about having the right levels of contact with the artists and no disrespect but it's quite different to exchange a few emails than actually making a project happen with very busy and quite famous artists What's the mitigation here?
Don't have the time to read all comments so apologies if this was covered but it's all about having the right levels of contact with the artists and no disrespect but it's quite different to exchange a few emails than actually making a project happen with very busy and quite famous artists What's the mitigation here?
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Goooogle Male on Aug 6, 2014 14:47:07 GMT 1, A way to reduce (not prevent!) short-term flipping of bigger name artists is for the COA to be issued 12 / 24 months after release, and only sent to the address registered at the time of purchase (unless you can show documents to prove you've moved house).
Another one is to put the purchaser's name on the Print / COA itself. Again doesn't prevent flipping but makes it less valuable for the purchaser if the Print / COA says "This print is for XXX" when their name is Y.
Contracts etc don't work at all - Look at the peter blake Art Car Boot fair print this year for proof!
A way to reduce (not prevent!) short-term flipping of bigger name artists is for the COA to be issued 12 / 24 months after release, and only sent to the address registered at the time of purchase (unless you can show documents to prove you've moved house).
Another one is to put the purchaser's name on the Print / COA itself. Again doesn't prevent flipping but makes it less valuable for the purchaser if the Print / COA says "This print is for XXX" when their name is Y.
Contracts etc don't work at all - Look at the peter blake Art Car Boot fair print this year for proof!
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by doctor on Aug 6, 2014 15:03:56 GMT 1, If you're overly concerned with people flipping these, don't do it. People will absolutely sell the commission. Whether it's from the get go, with full intention of flipping, or when the final result comes out and it's not exactly their cup of tea/their car breaks down/they have twins/whatever legitimate reason comes up to prioritize real life over fancy paper. Or even prettier fancy paper over this particular fancy paper. I'm not saying embrace it, but you should at least accept it, as it will happen.
If you're overly concerned with people flipping these, don't do it. People will absolutely sell the commission. Whether it's from the get go, with full intention of flipping, or when the final result comes out and it's not exactly their cup of tea/their car breaks down/they have twins/whatever legitimate reason comes up to prioritize real life over fancy paper. Or even prettier fancy paper over this particular fancy paper. I'm not saying embrace it, but you should at least accept it, as it will happen.
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South Bound
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by South Bound on Aug 6, 2014 15:06:18 GMT 1, A way to reduce (not prevent!) short-term flipping of bigger name artists is for the COA to be issued 12 / 24 months after release, and only sent to the address registered at the time of purchase (unless you can show documents to prove you've moved house). Another one is to put the purchaser's name on the Print / COA itself. Again doesn't prevent flipping but makes it less valuable for the purchaser if the Print / COA says "This print is for XXX" when their name is Y. Contracts etc don't work at all - Look at the peter blake Art Car Boot fair print this year for proof!
I have to agree with the short term or use for trade only. If I am a member in good standing and I contribute my $400 to an artist that I am not 100% into for a blind print and the print turns out to be something that I do not like, then I am stuck with a $400 print that is never gonna see my wall and will live in a flat file for eternity which is almost as bad as flipping. This would 100% deter me from wanting to contribute to the next print because I definitely do not want 2 or more $400 prints living their lives in a flat file.
Nice work thus far DSS, you have a lot on your plate.
A way to reduce (not prevent!) short-term flipping of bigger name artists is for the COA to be issued 12 / 24 months after release, and only sent to the address registered at the time of purchase (unless you can show documents to prove you've moved house). Another one is to put the purchaser's name on the Print / COA itself. Again doesn't prevent flipping but makes it less valuable for the purchaser if the Print / COA says "This print is for XXX" when their name is Y. Contracts etc don't work at all - Look at the peter blake Art Car Boot fair print this year for proof! I have to agree with the short term or use for trade only. If I am a member in good standing and I contribute my $400 to an artist that I am not 100% into for a blind print and the print turns out to be something that I do not like, then I am stuck with a $400 print that is never gonna see my wall and will live in a flat file for eternity which is almost as bad as flipping. This would 100% deter me from wanting to contribute to the next print because I definitely do not want 2 or more $400 prints living their lives in a flat file. Nice work thus far DSS, you have a lot on your plate.
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WOOF
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by WOOF on Aug 6, 2014 15:19:15 GMT 1, It's possible this just isn't the commission club for you? It won't be right for everyone - and that's OK.
It's possible this just isn't the commission club for you? It won't be right for everyone - and that's OK.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by tas on Aug 6, 2014 17:17:34 GMT 1, It's really bumming me out that 85% of this thread is focused on when the piece can be flipped.
It's really bumming me out that 85% of this thread is focused on when the piece can be flipped.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by petro on Aug 6, 2014 17:38:05 GMT 1, It's really bumming me out that 85% of this thread is focused on when the piece can be flipped. Yeah, I don't really understand it either. I've been collecting for about 10 years now and have not sold a single piece from my collection in that timeframe. So, I am the opposite of a flipper. I still don't like being told what I can or can't do with a piece after I own it. Maybe a better way to curb flipping would be to say, if you're caught selling a print within a certain timeframe (3 months, perhaps?), then you are asked to leave the club and unable to participate in future commissions.
It's really bumming me out that 85% of this thread is focused on when the piece can be flipped. Yeah, I don't really understand it either. I've been collecting for about 10 years now and have not sold a single piece from my collection in that timeframe. So, I am the opposite of a flipper. I still don't like being told what I can or can't do with a piece after I own it. Maybe a better way to curb flipping would be to say, if you're caught selling a print within a certain timeframe (3 months, perhaps?), then you are asked to leave the club and unable to participate in future commissions.
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mutatis
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by mutatis on Aug 6, 2014 17:39:27 GMT 1, It's really bumming me out that 85% of this thread is focused on when the piece can be flipped. Yeah, I don't really understand it either. I've been collecting for about 10 years now and have not sold a single piece from my collection in that timeframe. So, I am the opposite of a flipper. I still don't like being told what I can or can't do with a piece after I own it. Maybe a better way to curb flipping would be to say, if you're caught selling a print within a certain timeframe (3 months, perhaps?), then you are asked to leave the club and unable to participate in future commissions. The percentage just increased
It's really bumming me out that 85% of this thread is focused on when the piece can be flipped. Yeah, I don't really understand it either. I've been collecting for about 10 years now and have not sold a single piece from my collection in that timeframe. So, I am the opposite of a flipper. I still don't like being told what I can or can't do with a piece after I own it. Maybe a better way to curb flipping would be to say, if you're caught selling a print within a certain timeframe (3 months, perhaps?), then you are asked to leave the club and unable to participate in future commissions. The percentage just increased
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by doctor on Aug 6, 2014 17:44:09 GMT 1, I'm looking to sell my potential participation in this group. Please PM me with offers. Don't bother if you're not in the current market context.
I'm looking to sell my potential participation in this group. Please PM me with offers. Don't bother if you're not in the current market context.
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WOOF
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by WOOF on Aug 6, 2014 18:17:06 GMT 1, Do you have a certificate of participation on hand? Because getting one can take a while, and I won't consider making an offer without one.
Do you have a certificate of participation on hand? Because getting one can take a while, and I won't consider making an offer without one.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by maddoghoek100 on Aug 6, 2014 18:59:16 GMT 1, just as a side note, the gallery will often maintain the ownership registrar, so if the change in ownership is never recorded the gallery would likely refuse to authenticate the piece at a later date and if the sale violates the terms of your agreement with them they may refuse to authenticate it. the piece might become very difficult for you or your good faith purchaser to ever resell. so assuming that this is a piece were you had excellent provenance in hand and the buyer was willing to accept your word for it, i suppose you could do that. If i was the buyer i would prefer to have the gallery confirm the provenance before wiring funds, but im a suspicious kind of guy i suppose when it comes to money.
do you buy signed Banksys on Ebay without Pest Control certs? because i have a few for you
I bought a piece recently which was subject to conditions of resale. Apart from the fact that the terms were sent to me with a formal invoice after purchase - rendering them not incorporated into the contract and therefore not legally enforceable - the actual drafting of the terms left a lot to be desired. Legally enforceable - NO. If I sell it privately will they know? NO (I haven't sold it). So practicably enforceable - NO. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119572/print-commission-club-seed-thread?page=8&scrollTo=1239579#ixzz39dV3VSAy
just as a side note, the gallery will often maintain the ownership registrar, so if the change in ownership is never recorded the gallery would likely refuse to authenticate the piece at a later date and if the sale violates the terms of your agreement with them they may refuse to authenticate it. the piece might become very difficult for you or your good faith purchaser to ever resell. so assuming that this is a piece were you had excellent provenance in hand and the buyer was willing to accept your word for it, i suppose you could do that. If i was the buyer i would prefer to have the gallery confirm the provenance before wiring funds, but im a suspicious kind of guy i suppose when it comes to money. do you buy signed Banksys on Ebay without Pest Control certs? because i have a few for you I bought a piece recently which was subject to conditions of resale. Apart from the fact that the terms were sent to me with a formal invoice after purchase - rendering them not incorporated into the contract and therefore not legally enforceable - the actual drafting of the terms left a lot to be desired. Legally enforceable - NO. If I sell it privately will they know? NO (I haven't sold it). So practicably enforceable - NO. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119572/print-commission-club-seed-thread?page=8&scrollTo=1239579#ixzz39dV3VSAy
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by mutatis on Aug 6, 2014 19:25:53 GMT 1, just as a side note, the gallery will often maintain the ownership registrar, so if the change in ownership is never recorded the gallery would likely refuse to authenticate the piece at a later date and if the sale violates the terms of your agreement with them they may refuse to authenticate it. the piece might become very difficult for you or your good faith purchaser to ever resell. so assuming that this is a piece were you had excellent provenance in hand and the buyer was willing to accept your word for it, i suppose you could do that. If i was the buyer i would prefer to have the gallery confirm the provenance before wiring funds, but im a suspicious kind of guy i suppose when it comes to money. do you buy signed Banksys on Ebay without Pest Control certs? because i have a few for you I bought a piece recently which was subject to conditions of resale. Apart from the fact that the terms were sent to me with a formal invoice after purchase - rendering them not incorporated into the contract and therefore not legally enforceable - the actual drafting of the terms left a lot to be desired. Legally enforceable - NO. If I sell it privately will they know? NO (I haven't sold it). So practicably enforceable - NO. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119572/print-commission-club-seed-thread?page=8&scrollTo=1239579#ixzz39dV3VSAy Banksys on ebay?!?! In context - my illustration was to make a point re PCC - who knows maybe it will reach such levels that it will need its own authentication service. At the moment it is just an ever increasing thread - so let's see. Flip deterrent content - 87%
just as a side note, the gallery will often maintain the ownership registrar, so if the change in ownership is never recorded the gallery would likely refuse to authenticate the piece at a later date and if the sale violates the terms of your agreement with them they may refuse to authenticate it. the piece might become very difficult for you or your good faith purchaser to ever resell. so assuming that this is a piece were you had excellent provenance in hand and the buyer was willing to accept your word for it, i suppose you could do that. If i was the buyer i would prefer to have the gallery confirm the provenance before wiring funds, but im a suspicious kind of guy i suppose when it comes to money. do you buy signed Banksys on Ebay without Pest Control certs? because i have a few for you I bought a piece recently which was subject to conditions of resale. Apart from the fact that the terms were sent to me with a formal invoice after purchase - rendering them not incorporated into the contract and therefore not legally enforceable - the actual drafting of the terms left a lot to be desired. Legally enforceable - NO. If I sell it privately will they know? NO (I haven't sold it). So practicably enforceable - NO. Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/119572/print-commission-club-seed-thread?page=8&scrollTo=1239579#ixzz39dV3VSAyBanksys on ebay?!?! In context - my illustration was to make a point re PCC - who knows maybe it will reach such levels that it will need its own authentication service. At the moment it is just an ever increasing thread - so let's see. Flip deterrent content - 87%
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 20:13:03 GMT 1, To address this flipping nonsense again, we will do literally everything - both in the nature if the commission, and the system of the club - to make sure the prints are extremely valuable to members while having little-to-no secondary market value. This includes names on prints, if the artist is willing. Heavily personalized prints, if the artist is willing. We are considering simply having names instead of edition numbers.
Don't join if you are in it to make a profit or view the commission as a financial investment, as the end result won't please you at all. If you want a personal/special print from any of the artists listed for $400 since you love those artists, then by all means join. That's all you should be expecting out of this project, if anything.
And flipping will have more consequences than being removed from the club. Not legal action obviously (unless ridiculously flagrant), but the club consists of many respected UAA members with whom you'd also be burning bridges. If you rationally think it's worth being blacklisted from this forum for a couple hundred dollars, then I guess that's your decision; I don't think anyone rational would do that, especially since we will require a forum history of sorts for participation.
To address this flipping nonsense again, we will do literally everything - both in the nature if the commission, and the system of the club - to make sure the prints are extremely valuable to members while having little-to-no secondary market value. This includes names on prints, if the artist is willing. Heavily personalized prints, if the artist is willing. We are considering simply having names instead of edition numbers.
Don't join if you are in it to make a profit or view the commission as a financial investment, as the end result won't please you at all. If you want a personal/special print from any of the artists listed for $400 since you love those artists, then by all means join. That's all you should be expecting out of this project, if anything.
And flipping will have more consequences than being removed from the club. Not legal action obviously (unless ridiculously flagrant), but the club consists of many respected UAA members with whom you'd also be burning bridges. If you rationally think it's worth being blacklisted from this forum for a couple hundred dollars, then I guess that's your decision; I don't think anyone rational would do that, especially since we will require a forum history of sorts for participation.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 20:16:46 GMT 1, ...and then kick em up the bum.
...and then kick em up the bum.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by lvanhoe on Aug 6, 2014 20:23:15 GMT 1, While I still like this idea, being a nazi when people want to sell or trade a print they simply don't like, doesnt sound like a good idea. I mean you want to create an art club for people that like art, right? So what if the print that's being produced for my $400 isn't to my liking at all, should I still frame and hang it because I like 'art'? I always thought art was about having stuff on your walls that you like. I'm pretty sure nobody would want to feel forced to hang something they don't like, and that's essentially what you're doing when you are making it impossible for people to ever sell or trade their print. Because then it's just gonna sit in storage for eternity, after which your whole idea of people getting a print 'for the art' has vanished.
While I still like this idea, being a nazi when people want to sell or trade a print they simply don't like, doesnt sound like a good idea. I mean you want to create an art club for people that like art, right? So what if the print that's being produced for my $400 isn't to my liking at all, should I still frame and hang it because I like 'art'? I always thought art was about having stuff on your walls that you like. I'm pretty sure nobody would want to feel forced to hang something they don't like, and that's essentially what you're doing when you are making it impossible for people to ever sell or trade their print. Because then it's just gonna sit in storage for eternity, after which your whole idea of people getting a print 'for the art' has vanished.
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alexdb
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by alexdb on Aug 6, 2014 20:32:25 GMT 1, While I still like this idea, being a nazi when people want to sell or trade a print they simply don't like, doesnt sound like a good idea. I mean you want to create an art club for people that like art, right? So what if the print that's being produced for my $400 isn't to my liking at all, should I still frame and hang it because I like 'art'? I always thought art was about having stuff on your walls that you like. I'm pretty sure nobody would want to feel forced to hang something they don't like, and that's essentially what you're doing when you are making it impossible for people to ever sell or trade their print. Because then it's just gonna sit in storage for eternity, after which your whole idea of people getting a print 'for the art' has vanished. To be frank, I have way too many art that I can hang on my walls. Perhaps that is a collector type of consequence. In my honest opinion it is what any collector wants to do with art; to hang it on a wall or to keep it in a portfolio for other moments to get it framed. I have never sold any of my art, and perhaps I will never do so. Thats just personal, but I understand the idea that once you bond together as a group for a commission you stick with it (for a while). I don't know, I am not familiar with flippers as I have never done this before.
While I still like this idea, being a nazi when people want to sell or trade a print they simply don't like, doesnt sound like a good idea. I mean you want to create an art club for people that like art, right? So what if the print that's being produced for my $400 isn't to my liking at all, should I still frame and hang it because I like 'art'? I always thought art was about having stuff on your walls that you like. I'm pretty sure nobody would want to feel forced to hang something they don't like, and that's essentially what you're doing when you are making it impossible for people to ever sell or trade their print. Because then it's just gonna sit in storage for eternity, after which your whole idea of people getting a print 'for the art' has vanished. To be frank, I have way too many art that I can hang on my walls. Perhaps that is a collector type of consequence. In my honest opinion it is what any collector wants to do with art; to hang it on a wall or to keep it in a portfolio for other moments to get it framed. I have never sold any of my art, and perhaps I will never do so. Thats just personal, but I understand the idea that once you bond together as a group for a commission you stick with it (for a while). I don't know, I am not familiar with flippers as I have never done this before.
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soam24
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by soam24 on Aug 6, 2014 20:39:28 GMT 1, The idea of an invader print that we pick is pretty damn amazing.
The idea of an invader print that we pick is pretty damn amazing.
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 21:08:46 GMT 1, To address this flipping nonsense again, we will do literally everything - both in the nature if the commission, and the system of the club - to make sure the prints are extremely valuable to members while having little-to-no secondary market value. This includes names on prints, if the artist is willing. Heavily personalized prints, if the artist is willing. We are considering simply having names instead of edition numbers. Don't join if you are in it to make a profit or view the commission as a financial investment, as the end result won't please you at all. If you want a personal/special print from any of the artists listed for $400 since you love those artists, then by all means join. That's all you should be expecting out of this project, if anything. And flipping will have more consequences than being removed from the club. Not legal action obviously (unless ridiculously flagrant), but the club consists of many respected UAA members with whom you'd also be burning bridges. If you rationally think it's worth being blacklisted from this forum for a couple hundred dollars, then I guess that's your decision; I don't think anyone rational would do that, especially since we will require a forum history of sorts for participation. LOL, you may want to consider starting your own forum instead of trying to police this one matey. It's a print club, not the freemasons you're starting.. legal action, burning bridges, respected members, blacklisted, forum history.. jesus christ--- Blasphemy allowed ? :-D
To address this flipping nonsense again, we will do literally everything - both in the nature if the commission, and the system of the club - to make sure the prints are extremely valuable to members while having little-to-no secondary market value. This includes names on prints, if the artist is willing. Heavily personalized prints, if the artist is willing. We are considering simply having names instead of edition numbers. Don't join if you are in it to make a profit or view the commission as a financial investment, as the end result won't please you at all. If you want a personal/special print from any of the artists listed for $400 since you love those artists, then by all means join. That's all you should be expecting out of this project, if anything. And flipping will have more consequences than being removed from the club. Not legal action obviously (unless ridiculously flagrant), but the club consists of many respected UAA members with whom you'd also be burning bridges. If you rationally think it's worth being blacklisted from this forum for a couple hundred dollars, then I guess that's your decision; I don't think anyone rational would do that, especially since we will require a forum history of sorts for participation. LOL, you may want to consider starting your own forum instead of trying to police this one matey. It's a print club, not the freemasons you're starting.. legal action, burning bridges, respected members, blacklisted, forum history.. jesus christ--- Blasphemy allowed ? :-D
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alittle
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November 2012
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by alittle on Aug 6, 2014 21:18:08 GMT 1, I'll be quite surprised if one of the big name artists signs on. Even at 200 members, $400 each, that's only $80K. Most of the artists referenced in the sub-title can pull in more money than that while still maintaining complete control over the project and distribution.
I'll be quite surprised if one of the big name artists signs on. Even at 200 members, $400 each, that's only $80K. Most of the artists referenced in the sub-title can pull in more money than that while still maintaining complete control over the project and distribution.
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jlf
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July 2014
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by jlf on Aug 6, 2014 21:32:58 GMT 1, I like the idea of getting the prints personalized, but do we really think that this would be achievable surely it's a bit of a pain for the artist to sign each one differently.
Is the easiest way not to just have zero tolerance and kick out anyone flipping, then over time you eliminate any flippers
I like the idea of getting the prints personalized, but do we really think that this would be achievable surely it's a bit of a pain for the artist to sign each one differently.
Is the easiest way not to just have zero tolerance and kick out anyone flipping, then over time you eliminate any flippers
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by Deleted on Aug 6, 2014 21:36:29 GMT 1, If you are worried about the consequences of selling the commissioned print, or are unsure about how you will treat the end product, then don't join. I'd prefer a club where the commissioned print stays in the owner's possession for several years, and the commission/project will be planned accordingly.
I understand there is a risk that you will not love the print; everyone in the club is taking the same risk. If after two years and (hopefully) two prints yield nothing you've liked at all, then you can also leave the group. Or after one year. No need to keep paying for things you consistently don't like.
That said, if you're hesitant because you think at the end of this project you would rather have your $400 than the commissioned print, then you also probably shouldn't join. Consider the $400 spent, and the print a thing that you bought for your enjoyment that likely cannot be resold.
Within the club, there literally shouldn't even be conversations about the secondary market once basic rules are outlined; that's not the point of this project at all. You should not care about the monetary value of your print since resale is a moot point (everyone likes knowing they have something valuable, but you know what I mean). I know this clashes with the current art scene, but that's what we're going for here - commissioning a print from an artist we all like out of purely aesthetic interest, with hopes for the best. If it conflicts with your interests, I understand.
You can naysay, etc. - I'm simply saying entering this club for the sake of profit is not in anyone's best interest, especially the person doing so; it is against one of the founding principles of the club so obviously it won't be taken lightly. If that's an issue, don't join.
Only trying to find a way to gather some art fans to attempt a commission of something special from an artist they all like.
If you are worried about the consequences of selling the commissioned print, or are unsure about how you will treat the end product, then don't join. I'd prefer a club where the commissioned print stays in the owner's possession for several years, and the commission/project will be planned accordingly.
I understand there is a risk that you will not love the print; everyone in the club is taking the same risk. If after two years and (hopefully) two prints yield nothing you've liked at all, then you can also leave the group. Or after one year. No need to keep paying for things you consistently don't like.
That said, if you're hesitant because you think at the end of this project you would rather have your $400 than the commissioned print, then you also probably shouldn't join. Consider the $400 spent, and the print a thing that you bought for your enjoyment that likely cannot be resold.
Within the club, there literally shouldn't even be conversations about the secondary market once basic rules are outlined; that's not the point of this project at all. You should not care about the monetary value of your print since resale is a moot point (everyone likes knowing they have something valuable, but you know what I mean). I know this clashes with the current art scene, but that's what we're going for here - commissioning a print from an artist we all like out of purely aesthetic interest, with hopes for the best. If it conflicts with your interests, I understand.
You can naysay, etc. - I'm simply saying entering this club for the sake of profit is not in anyone's best interest, especially the person doing so; it is against one of the founding principles of the club so obviously it won't be taken lightly. If that's an issue, don't join.
Only trying to find a way to gather some art fans to attempt a commission of something special from an artist they all like.
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doctor
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PRINT COMMISSION CLUB - Seed Thread, by doctor on Aug 6, 2014 21:56:47 GMT 1, Why are we spending so much effort on the possibility of and potential consequences resulting from people eventually selling a hypothetical print?
Why are we spending so much effort on the possibility of and potential consequences resulting from people eventually selling a hypothetical print?
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