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provenance, by medicjones on Jan 17, 2008 19:24:38 GMT 1, Hi guys quick question - Ive got two unsigned banksys that ive bought on the secondary market - both with tomtom receipts (from 2003). The prints are ace, and the receipts seem kosher. POW cant provide provenance as it seems that tomtom bought them from the secondary market themselves! Is this gonna be a problem if I later sell them on or should the receipts alone be ok? Cheers
Hi guys quick question - Ive got two unsigned banksys that ive bought on the secondary market - both with tomtom receipts (from 2003). The prints are ace, and the receipts seem kosher. POW cant provide provenance as it seems that tomtom bought them from the secondary market themselves! Is this gonna be a problem if I later sell them on or should the receipts alone be ok? Cheers
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provenance, by Coach on Jan 17, 2008 20:25:26 GMT 1, did tomtom keep a record of who they bought them from?
did tomtom keep a record of who they bought them from?
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provenance, by johnnyrubadub on Jan 17, 2008 20:43:26 GMT 1, Hi guys quick question - Ive got two unsigned banksys that ive bought on the secondary market - both with tomtom receipts (from 2003). The prints are ace, and the receipts seem kosher. POW cant provide provenance as it seems that tomtom bought them from the secondary market themselves! Is this gonna be a problem if I later sell them on or should the receipts alone be ok? Cheers
Hi Medic
You wont have any problems if you decide to sell them on. Tomtom never kept any records of their sales, a part from written slips, cards and letterheads which were given to the buyer, thats if you were lucky to get anything, some didn't want anything or just threw it away, i know i did on a couple of prints that i got from there. Back then it wasn't an issue as no one bought them to make a profit, you bought them because they were unique in their style, plus Banksy wasn't so well known then. They did sell on lots of prints on commission. Tomtom were one of main banksy dealers in London back then and everything that came from them was kosher they just weren't that anal about keeping records. Hope this helps.
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Hi guys quick question - Ive got two unsigned banksys that ive bought on the secondary market - both with tomtom receipts (from 2003). The prints are ace, and the receipts seem kosher. POW cant provide provenance as it seems that tomtom bought them from the secondary market themselves! Is this gonna be a problem if I later sell them on or should the receipts alone be ok? Cheers Hi Medic You wont have any problems if you decide to sell them on. Tomtom never kept any records of their sales, a part from written slips, cards and letterheads which were given to the buyer, thats if you were lucky to get anything, some didn't want anything or just threw it away, i know i did on a couple of prints that i got from there. Back then it wasn't an issue as no one bought them to make a profit, you bought them because they were unique in their style, plus Banksy wasn't so well known then. They did sell on lots of prints on commission. Tomtom were one of main banksy dealers in London back then and everything that came from them was kosher they just weren't that anal about keeping records. Hope this helps. luV RUBADUBMAN |
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provenance, by kiki on Jan 17, 2008 23:34:01 GMT 1, Hi guys quick question - Ive got two unsigned banksys that ive bought on the secondary market - both with tomtom receipts (from 2003). The prints are ace, and the receipts seem kosher. POW cant provide provenance as it seems that tomtom bought them from the secondary market themselves! Is this gonna be a problem if I later sell them on or should the receipts alone be ok? Cheers
What you have is incomplete provenance.
You are missing at least one link in the chain of ownership: the people who purchased the prints from POW. They may or may not be the same people who sold the prints to TomTom. This depends on the number of owners the prints had before TomTom.
I am certain you will have no problem in selling your prints if you decide to do so in the future. However, the lack of full provenance will impact upon the number of interested purchasers and is likely to affect the sale prices you are able to secure.
The fact that you bought the prints in 2003 acts in your favour (I assume your receipts are detailed and dated) since the likelihood of buying fakes at that time was minimal.
Hi guys quick question - Ive got two unsigned banksys that ive bought on the secondary market - both with tomtom receipts (from 2003). The prints are ace, and the receipts seem kosher. POW cant provide provenance as it seems that tomtom bought them from the secondary market themselves! Is this gonna be a problem if I later sell them on or should the receipts alone be ok? Cheers What you have is incomplete provenance. You are missing at least one link in the chain of ownership: the people who purchased the prints from POW. They may or may not be the same people who sold the prints to TomTom. This depends on the number of owners the prints had before TomTom. I am certain you will have no problem in selling your prints if you decide to do so in the future. However, the lack of full provenance will impact upon the number of interested purchasers and is likely to affect the sale prices you are able to secure. The fact that you bought the prints in 2003 acts in your favour (I assume your receipts are detailed and dated) since the likelihood of buying fakes at that time was minimal. |
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provenance, by Dead Elvis on Jan 18, 2008 1:35:14 GMT 1, POW will also verify the print if you post it to them...
POW will also verify the print if you post it to them...
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provenance, by craigf on Jan 18, 2008 7:47:18 GMT 1, Tom Tom weren't the only ones selling secondry market prints even back then. I have one early print with an Art Republic receipt, but when I checked with Dora AR weren't the original purchaser from POW. It is traceable back to AR who are normally helpful and as stated above POW will verify prints if requested ;D
Tom Tom weren't the only ones selling secondry market prints even back then. I have one early print with an Art Republic receipt, but when I checked with Dora AR weren't the original purchaser from POW. It is traceable back to AR who are normally helpful and as stated above POW will verify prints if requested ;D
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provenance, by Neverwork on Jan 18, 2008 10:04:28 GMT 1, tom tom used to by some stuff off the bay, remember them outbidding me on a couple of bits way back when...
tom tom used to by some stuff off the bay, remember them outbidding me on a couple of bits way back when...
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provenance, by medicjones on Jan 18, 2008 11:17:10 GMT 1, Thats awesome guys, thanks. Plus one to you all. My Napalm (with full POW prov) may be on sale very soon. Would be keen on a banksy trade or cash. PM me if you're interested. I'll reply to all! thanks again
Thats awesome guys, thanks. Plus one to you all. My Napalm (with full POW prov) may be on sale very soon. Would be keen on a banksy trade or cash. PM me if you're interested. I'll reply to all! thanks again
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provenance, by johnnyrubadub on Jan 18, 2008 17:19:17 GMT 1, i remember someone saying pow issued a warning statement about tomtom giving provenance but there are too many comments to be able to find it
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Dont think they did, You are mistaken there. I just got an e mail from dora stating about a Banksy i bought from Tomtom and everything checked out. It took about 4 weeks for POW to get back to me but they were very helpful and said that all the info i gave them checked out.
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i remember someone saying pow issued a warning statement about tomtom giving provenance but there are too many comments to be able to find it Hi Dont think they did, You are mistaken there. I just got an e mail from dora stating about a Banksy i bought from Tomtom and everything checked out. It took about 4 weeks for POW to get back to me but they were very helpful and said that all the info i gave them checked out. luV RUBADUBMAN |
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provenance, by lover on Jan 18, 2008 17:28:17 GMT 1,  hiya, does anyone know where i can get an original arofish piece, im really lovin his work, would really appreciate any info, ta
hiya, does anyone know where i can get an original arofish piece, im really lovin his work, would really appreciate any info, ta
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provenance, by danvnuk on Jan 18, 2008 17:30:26 GMT 1, i remember someone saying pow issued a warning statement about tomtom giving provenance but there are too many comments to be able to find it Hi Dont think they did, You are mistaken there. I just got an e mail from dora stating about a Banksy i bought from Tomtom and everything checked out. It took about 4 weeks for POW to get back to me but they were very helpful and said that all the info i gave them checked out. luV RUBADUBMAN
The "Warning Statement" from POW mentioned did happen - but to be brief it isn't as damning as it sounds.
Tom Tom were authorised sellers of POW prints.
But they also sold on prints from the secondary market. - So far, so good.
But, they then started offering people 'authentication' for Bansky prints purchased on the secondary market.
This obviously pissed POW and LAZ off - they issued a statement saying that ONLY THEY could authenticate Banksys work - and Tom Tom should wind their neck in.
That's it more or less.
There was nothing there that throws any doubt on the authenticity of prints purchased from Tom Tom (The majority of which came direct from POW anyway)
i remember someone saying pow issued a warning statement about tomtom giving provenance but there are too many comments to be able to find it Hi Dont think they did, You are mistaken there. I just got an e mail from dora stating about a Banksy i bought from Tomtom and everything checked out. It took about 4 weeks for POW to get back to me but they were very helpful and said that all the info i gave them checked out. luV RUBADUBMAN The "Warning Statement" from POW mentioned did happen - but to be brief it isn't as damning as it sounds. Tom Tom were authorised sellers of POW prints. But they also sold on prints from the secondary market. - So far, so good. But, they then started offering people 'authentication' for Bansky prints purchased on the secondary market. This obviously pissed POW and LAZ off - they issued a statement saying that ONLY THEY could authenticate Banksys work - and Tom Tom should wind their neck in. That's it more or less. There was nothing there that throws any doubt on the authenticity of prints purchased from Tom Tom (The majority of which came direct from POW anyway) |
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provenance, by Neverwork on Jan 18, 2008 17:30:57 GMT 1, er!
Due to recent disclosures from concerned customers, Pictures On Walls would like to publicly distance themselves from the Tom Tom Gallery. Tom Tom do not have authorisation to authenticate Banksy prints or any other prints produced by POW. There was a time when we sold some wholesale prints to them but we no longer do so and would advise against dealings with them which relate to the mentioned artists. Tom Tom do not keep a record of who they sold their prints to, let alone ours and were not involved in the printing process in anyway so are not in a position to authenticate. As far as we are aware this has no affect on their ability to sell other artists work, they just have no juristiction when it comes to POW artists.
The secondary market is of little concern to us, we do keep a record of customers and if we have time will confirm ownership by telephone or email - however please be aware we are a business and should authentication become a full time job we will have to consider charging a fee. In order to keep this service as a free service I would suggest contacting us only when other avenues have been exhasted. It is also up to you to take the neccessary precautions when buying and selling prints - always keep ahold of your receipt as we (like any other retailer) do not issue duplicates.
We don't like it when people are duped but as much as we would like to be able to help people out when it happens please remember that we are a screen printers with a website. Our intention was always to sell art for people to put on their walls and enjoy, the secondary market has taken us by suprise and while we will try and monitor it, it is not our responsibility and we can do so only when time will allow.
Kind regards,
Steph, Dora and Ben.
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Kind regards,
er!
Due to recent disclosures from concerned customers, Pictures On Walls would like to publicly distance themselves from the Tom Tom Gallery. Tom Tom do not have authorisation to authenticate Banksy prints or any other prints produced by POW. There was a time when we sold some wholesale prints to them but we no longer do so and would advise against dealings with them which relate to the mentioned artists. Tom Tom do not keep a record of who they sold their prints to, let alone ours and were not involved in the printing process in anyway so are not in a position to authenticate. As far as we are aware this has no affect on their ability to sell other artists work, they just have no juristiction when it comes to POW artists.
The secondary market is of little concern to us, we do keep a record of customers and if we have time will confirm ownership by telephone or email - however please be aware we are a business and should authentication become a full time job we will have to consider charging a fee. In order to keep this service as a free service I would suggest contacting us only when other avenues have been exhasted. It is also up to you to take the neccessary precautions when buying and selling prints - always keep ahold of your receipt as we (like any other retailer) do not issue duplicates.
We don't like it when people are duped but as much as we would like to be able to help people out when it happens please remember that we are a screen printers with a website. Our intention was always to sell art for people to put on their walls and enjoy, the secondary market has taken us by suprise and while we will try and monitor it, it is not our responsibility and we can do so only when time will allow.
Kind regards,
Steph, Dora and Ben.
POW
Kind regards,
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provenance, by Neverwork on Jan 18, 2008 17:32:40 GMT 1, btw the "er" war my addition!
btw the "er" war my addition!
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provenance, by danvnuk on Jan 18, 2008 17:34:26 GMT 1, er! Due to recent disclosures from concerned customers, Pictures On Walls would like to publicly distance themselves from the Tom Tom Gallery. Tom Tom do not have authorisation to authenticate Banksy prints or any other prints produced by POW. There was a time when we sold some wholesale prints to them but we no longer do so and would advise against dealings with them which relate to the mentioned artists. Tom Tom do not keep a record of who they sold their prints to, let alone ours and were not involved in the printing process in anyway so are not in a position to authenticate. As far as we are aware this has no affect on their ability to sell other artists work, they just have no juristiction when it comes to POW artists. The secondary market is of little concern to us, we do keep a record of customers and if we have time will confirm ownership by telephone or email - however please be aware we are a business and should authentication become a full time job we will have to consider charging a fee. In order to keep this service as a free service I would suggest contacting us only when other avenues have been exhasted. It is also up to you to take the neccessary precautions when buying and selling prints - always keep ahold of your receipt as we (like any other retailer) do not issue duplicates. We don't like it when people are duped but as much as we would like to be able to help people out when it happens please remember that we are a screen printers with a website. Our intention was always to sell art for people to put on their walls and enjoy, the secondary market has taken us by suprise and while we will try and monitor it, it is not our responsibility and we can do so only when time will allow. Kind regards, Steph, Dora and Ben. POW Kind regards,
This was the first statement - but POW released a clarification statement as everyone who'd purchased work from Tom Tom started panicking.
It used to be on the old Ebay forum.
It basically said - they were not throwing any accusations or doubts on the work that was sold, but that Tom Tom had no right to offer authentication for their artwork. Only POW or LAZ could do this.
er! Due to recent disclosures from concerned customers, Pictures On Walls would like to publicly distance themselves from the Tom Tom Gallery. Tom Tom do not have authorisation to authenticate Banksy prints or any other prints produced by POW. There was a time when we sold some wholesale prints to them but we no longer do so and would advise against dealings with them which relate to the mentioned artists. Tom Tom do not keep a record of who they sold their prints to, let alone ours and were not involved in the printing process in anyway so are not in a position to authenticate. As far as we are aware this has no affect on their ability to sell other artists work, they just have no juristiction when it comes to POW artists. The secondary market is of little concern to us, we do keep a record of customers and if we have time will confirm ownership by telephone or email - however please be aware we are a business and should authentication become a full time job we will have to consider charging a fee. In order to keep this service as a free service I would suggest contacting us only when other avenues have been exhasted. It is also up to you to take the neccessary precautions when buying and selling prints - always keep ahold of your receipt as we (like any other retailer) do not issue duplicates. We don't like it when people are duped but as much as we would like to be able to help people out when it happens please remember that we are a screen printers with a website. Our intention was always to sell art for people to put on their walls and enjoy, the secondary market has taken us by suprise and while we will try and monitor it, it is not our responsibility and we can do so only when time will allow. Kind regards, Steph, Dora and Ben. POW Kind regards, This was the first statement - but POW released a clarification statement as everyone who'd purchased work from Tom Tom started panicking. It used to be on the old Ebay forum. It basically said - they were not throwing any accusations or doubts on the work that was sold, but that Tom Tom had no right to offer authentication for their artwork. Only POW or LAZ could do this. |
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provenance, by Neverwork on Jan 18, 2008 17:37:21 GMT 1, er! Due to recent disclosures from concerned customers, Pictures On Walls would like to publicly distance themselves from the Tom Tom Gallery. Tom Tom do not have authorisation to authenticate Banksy prints or any other prints produced by POW. There was a time when we sold some wholesale prints to them but we no longer do so and would advise against dealings with them which relate to the mentioned artists. Tom Tom do not keep a record of who they sold their prints to, let alone ours and were not involved in the printing process in anyway so are not in a position to authenticate. As far as we are aware this has no affect on their ability to sell other artists work, they just have no juristiction when it comes to POW artists. The secondary market is of little concern to us, we do keep a record of customers and if we have time will confirm ownership by telephone or email - however please be aware we are a business and should authentication become a full time job we will have to consider charging a fee. In order to keep this service as a free service I would suggest contacting us only when other avenues have been exhasted. It is also up to you to take the neccessary precautions when buying and selling prints - always keep ahold of your receipt as we (like any other retailer) do not issue duplicates. We don't like it when people are duped but as much as we would like to be able to help people out when it happens please remember that we are a screen printers with a website. Our intention was always to sell art for people to put on their walls and enjoy, the secondary market has taken us by suprise and while we will try and monitor it, it is not our responsibility and we can do so only when time will allow. Kind regards, Steph, Dora and Ben. POW Kind regards, This was the first statement - but POW released a clarification statement as everyone who'd purchased work from Tom Tom started panicking. It used to be on the old Ebay forum. It basically said - they were not throwing any accusations or doubts on the work that was sold, but that Tom Tom had no right to offer to authenticate their artwork.
thats totally correct mate.
er! Due to recent disclosures from concerned customers, Pictures On Walls would like to publicly distance themselves from the Tom Tom Gallery. Tom Tom do not have authorisation to authenticate Banksy prints or any other prints produced by POW. There was a time when we sold some wholesale prints to them but we no longer do so and would advise against dealings with them which relate to the mentioned artists. Tom Tom do not keep a record of who they sold their prints to, let alone ours and were not involved in the printing process in anyway so are not in a position to authenticate. As far as we are aware this has no affect on their ability to sell other artists work, they just have no juristiction when it comes to POW artists. The secondary market is of little concern to us, we do keep a record of customers and if we have time will confirm ownership by telephone or email - however please be aware we are a business and should authentication become a full time job we will have to consider charging a fee. In order to keep this service as a free service I would suggest contacting us only when other avenues have been exhasted. It is also up to you to take the neccessary precautions when buying and selling prints - always keep ahold of your receipt as we (like any other retailer) do not issue duplicates. We don't like it when people are duped but as much as we would like to be able to help people out when it happens please remember that we are a screen printers with a website. Our intention was always to sell art for people to put on their walls and enjoy, the secondary market has taken us by suprise and while we will try and monitor it, it is not our responsibility and we can do so only when time will allow. Kind regards, Steph, Dora and Ben. POW Kind regards, This was the first statement - but POW released a clarification statement as everyone who'd purchased work from Tom Tom started panicking. It used to be on the old Ebay forum. It basically said - they were not throwing any accusations or doubts on the work that was sold, but that Tom Tom had no right to offer to authenticate their artwork. thats totally correct mate. |
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provenance, by Neverwork on Jan 18, 2008 17:38:27 GMT 1, couldn't find a link to the update, only had this email!
couldn't find a link to the update, only had this email!
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provenance, by danvnuk on Jan 18, 2008 17:43:41 GMT 1, couldn't find a link to the update, only had this email!
I only ever saw the update on the old Ebay Forum. I'm wondering if Steph from POW posted it directly to the forum as at that time it was where the majority of Banksy art purchasers were knocking around.
I sometimes wonder if the first statement was written the way it was to purposefully cause doubts about Tom Tom's work and damage their business. POW aren't stupid,
The clarification published later seems to be forgotten whenever this subject comes up, so the repercussions are being felt even now.
couldn't find a link to the update, only had this email! I only ever saw the update on the old Ebay Forum. I'm wondering if Steph from POW posted it directly to the forum as at that time it was where the majority of Banksy art purchasers were knocking around. I sometimes wonder if the first statement was written the way it was to purposefully cause doubts about Tom Tom's work and damage their business. POW aren't stupid, The clarification published later seems to be forgotten whenever this subject comes up, so the repercussions are being felt even now. |
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provenance, by johnnyrubadub on Jan 18, 2008 17:52:28 GMT 1, couldn't find a link to the update, only had this email! I only ever saw the update on the old Ebay Forum. I'm wondering if Steph from POW posted it directly to the forum as at that time it was where the majority of Banksy art purchasers were knocking around. I sometimes wonder if the first statement was written the way it was to purposefully cause doubts about Tom Tom's work and damage their business. POW aren't stupid, The clarification published later seems to be forgotten whenever this subject comes up, so the repercussions are being felt even now.
I agree About the " damage their business " part. Is the pow post that old? it says tomtom cant authenticate pow artists but tomtom went a while back so it must be an old post. i like dealing with both, well when tomtom were around.
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couldn't find a link to the update, only had this email! I only ever saw the update on the old Ebay Forum. I'm wondering if Steph from POW posted it directly to the forum as at that time it was where the majority of Banksy art purchasers were knocking around. I sometimes wonder if the first statement was written the way it was to purposefully cause doubts about Tom Tom's work and damage their business. POW aren't stupid, The clarification published later seems to be forgotten whenever this subject comes up, so the repercussions are being felt even now. I agree About the " damage their business " part. Is the pow post that old? it says tomtom cant authenticate pow artists but tomtom went a while back so it must be an old post. i like dealing with both, well when tomtom were around. RUBADUBMAN |
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provenance, by Neverwork on Jan 18, 2008 17:53:31 GMT 1, couldn't find a link to the update, only had this email! I only ever saw the update on the old Ebay Forum. I'm wondering if Steph from POW posted it directly to the forum as at that time it was where the majority of Banksy art purchasers were knocking around. I sometimes wonder if the first statement was written the way it was to purposefully cause doubts about Tom Tom's work and damage their business. POW aren't stupid, The clarification published later seems to be forgotten whenever this subject comes up, so the repercussions are being felt even now.
good memory mate, i think thats where i saw it too... well if that was the intention? it worked, tom tom are no longer!
couldn't find a link to the update, only had this email! I only ever saw the update on the old Ebay Forum. I'm wondering if Steph from POW posted it directly to the forum as at that time it was where the majority of Banksy art purchasers were knocking around. I sometimes wonder if the first statement was written the way it was to purposefully cause doubts about Tom Tom's work and damage their business. POW aren't stupid, The clarification published later seems to be forgotten whenever this subject comes up, so the repercussions are being felt even now. good memory mate, i think thats where i saw it too... well if that was the intention? it worked, tom tom are no longer! |
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provenance, by danvnuk on Jan 18, 2008 17:56:16 GMT 1, Well - Guestimating - I'd say the POW statement is from Late 2005 early 2006.
I had an interest as I'd purchased a Banksy Piece from Tom Tom in 2004 (since authenticated by POW)
Well - Guestimating - I'd say the POW statement is from Late 2005 early 2006.
I had an interest as I'd purchased a Banksy Piece from Tom Tom in 2004 (since authenticated by POW)
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provenance, by johnnyrubadub on Jan 18, 2008 17:58:22 GMT 1, I only ever saw the update on the old Ebay Forum. I'm wondering if Steph from POW posted it directly to the forum as at that time it was where the majority of Banksy art purchasers were knocking around. I sometimes wonder if the first statement was written the way it was to purposefully cause doubts about Tom Tom's work and damage their business. POW aren't stupid, The clarification published later seems to be forgotten whenever this subject comes up, so the repercussions are being felt even now. good memory mate, i think thats where i saw it too... well if that was the intention? it worked, tom tom are no longer!
Poor Tomtom. vive le tomtom. x
I only ever saw the update on the old Ebay Forum. I'm wondering if Steph from POW posted it directly to the forum as at that time it was where the majority of Banksy art purchasers were knocking around. I sometimes wonder if the first statement was written the way it was to purposefully cause doubts about Tom Tom's work and damage their business. POW aren't stupid, The clarification published later seems to be forgotten whenever this subject comes up, so the repercussions are being felt even now. good memory mate, i think thats where i saw it too... well if that was the intention? it worked, tom tom are no longer! Poor Tomtom. vive le tomtom. x |
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provenance, by Neverwork on Jan 18, 2008 18:20:20 GMT 1, i say they are no longer? but bought by art republic (i think?) bit stoned cant quite remember!?
i say they are no longer? but bought by art republic (i think?) bit stoned cant quite remember!?
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provenance, by danvnuk on Jan 18, 2008 20:20:11 GMT 1, Can I just add, to complete the picture and make the whole story available that Tom Tom provided authentication for several backdoor prints including a green WSM. (which obviously isn't good business practice!)
This was what prompted the original statement from POW.
This doesn't mean that prints purchased from Tom Tom are in anyway dodgy. (unless you bought an unsigned, un-numbered backdoor or a Green WSM, but then you'd know what it was ;D)
Can I just add, to complete the picture and make the whole story available that Tom Tom provided authentication for several backdoor prints including a green WSM. (which obviously isn't good business practice!)
This was what prompted the original statement from POW.
This doesn't mean that prints purchased from Tom Tom are in anyway dodgy. (unless you bought an unsigned, un-numbered backdoor or a Green WSM, but then you'd know what it was ;D)
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provenance, by pezlow on Jan 18, 2008 20:57:03 GMT 1, Can I just add, to complete the picture and make the whole story available that Tom Tom provided authentication for several backdoor prints including a green WSM. (which obviously isn't good business practice!) This was what prompted the original statement from POW. This doesn't mean that prints purchased from Tom Tom are in anyway dodgy. (unless you bought an unsigned, un-numbered backdoor or a Green WSM, but then you'd know what it was ;D)
Spot on dan - it wasn't a ploy by POW and Laz to put Tomtom out of business just an explanation of this particular issue with the backdoor WSM.
Can I just add, to complete the picture and make the whole story available that Tom Tom provided authentication for several backdoor prints including a green WSM. (which obviously isn't good business practice!) This was what prompted the original statement from POW. This doesn't mean that prints purchased from Tom Tom are in anyway dodgy. (unless you bought an unsigned, un-numbered backdoor or a Green WSM, but then you'd know what it was ;D) Spot on dan - it wasn't a ploy by POW and Laz to put Tomtom out of business just an explanation of this particular issue with the backdoor WSM. |
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provenance, by westley on Jan 18, 2008 21:17:02 GMT 1, I thought i saw a signed green Weston Super Mare a few years back
I thought i saw a signed green Weston Super Mare a few years back
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danvnuk
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January 2006
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provenance, by danvnuk on Jan 18, 2008 21:57:15 GMT 1, Spot on dan - it wasn't a ploy by POW and Laz to put Tomtom out of business just an explanation of this particular issue with the backdoor WSM.
LOL - I was just thinking out loud with that paticular conspiracy theory Pezlow....The statement released (needing a second statement to clarify - which is often forgotten) didn't pull any punches.
But I'll concede it was necessary based on the goings on.
Can I offer you this nice tin-foil hat?
Spot on dan - it wasn't a ploy by POW and Laz to put Tomtom out of business just an explanation of this particular issue with the backdoor WSM. LOL - I was just thinking out loud with that paticular conspiracy theory Pezlow....The statement released (needing a second statement to clarify - which is often forgotten) didn't pull any punches. But I'll concede it was necessary based on the goings on. Can I offer you this nice tin-foil hat? |
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hiya, does anyone know where i can get an original arofish piece, im really lovin his work, would really appreciate any info, ta
