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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by doctor on Sept 30, 2014 13:07:17 GMT 1, Doesn't having an extra strongly imply that you have more than one copy?
Doesn't having an extra strongly imply that you have more than one copy?
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by thisisanton on Sept 30, 2014 14:41:01 GMT 1, This thread got out of control. Let the guy sell his print, even if it's for a redicilous amount. I know we all hate flippers, but people act like this is the first thread where someone tried to flip something. And for the guy who made up the groups where people belong to, that's just in poor taste.
This thread got out of control. Let the guy sell his print, even if it's for a redicilous amount. I know we all hate flippers, but people act like this is the first thread where someone tried to flip something. And for the guy who made up the groups where people belong to, that's just in poor taste.
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by WOOF on Sept 30, 2014 14:44:55 GMT 1, This thread got out of control. Let the guy sell his print, even if it's for a redicilous amount. I know we all hate flippers, but people act like this is the first thread where someone tried to flip something.
If no one ever tries to change anything, nothing will ever change... We can choose to be a community that encourages participation, it's not that hard.
This thread got out of control. Let the guy sell his print, even if it's for a redicilous amount. I know we all hate flippers, but people act like this is the first thread where someone tried to flip something. If no one ever tries to change anything, nothing will ever change... We can choose to be a community that encourages participation, it's not that hard. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by alittle on Sept 30, 2014 14:47:09 GMT 1, I don't hate flippers at all. They provide a service. If all prints went to genuine collectors, secondary market pricing would be even higher. I'd rather have someone with no attachment to the image selling it to me, rather than someone who loves it.
I don't hate flippers at all. They provide a service. If all prints went to genuine collectors, secondary market pricing would be even higher. I'd rather have someone with no attachment to the image selling it to me, rather than someone who loves it.
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by WOOF on Sept 30, 2014 14:50:15 GMT 1, I don't hate flippers at all. They provide a service. If all prints went to genuine collectors, secondary market pricing would be even higher. I'd rather have someone with no attachment to the image selling it to me, rather than someone who loves it.
I agree, they provide a service. That said, I'd also rather the people flipping them add some other value to the forum. You know, or not, whatever. ha.
I don't hate flippers at all. They provide a service. If all prints went to genuine collectors, secondary market pricing would be even higher. I'd rather have someone with no attachment to the image selling it to me, rather than someone who loves it. I agree, they provide a service. That said, I'd also rather the people flipping them add some other value to the forum. You know, or not, whatever. ha. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by doctor on Sept 30, 2014 14:58:30 GMT 1, That's horseshit and you know it. Perhaps in the long term, aftermarket prices would be significantly higher, but in the near term there would not be nearly as many split second sellouts/lines around the corner/unnecessary hype/etc. I'm not a crusader, people can do whatever they want with what they buy: flip it/collect it/hang it/burn it, just be honest about what you're doing. To argue that they are providing a service goes a bit too far for me. Guys waiting in line to buy prints they only want to obtain in order to make a profit for reselling to fans at a markup are providing a service exactly akin to the service scalpers buying concert tickets for a profit provide. Unless you're actually that scalper, nobody likes you (and even if you're that scalper, you might not like yourself).
That's horseshit and you know it. Perhaps in the long term, aftermarket prices would be significantly higher, but in the near term there would not be nearly as many split second sellouts/lines around the corner/unnecessary hype/etc. I'm not a crusader, people can do whatever they want with what they buy: flip it/collect it/hang it/burn it, just be honest about what you're doing. To argue that they are providing a service goes a bit too far for me. Guys waiting in line to buy prints they only want to obtain in order to make a profit for reselling to fans at a markup are providing a service exactly akin to the service scalpers buying concert tickets for a profit provide. Unless you're actually that scalper, nobody likes you (and even if you're that scalper, you might not like yourself).
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 15:19:02 GMT 1, "I for one have not forgotten your own antics straight after the borondo identity release. A print I was desperate for and one you asked for £500 before you had in hand on a £200 release!!!!
Pot calling the kettle black!!!" -forumguy
To clear the air regarding this, which I have privately with several people who keep bringing it up, I offered the Borondo print for sale at 500p because days after I purchased the Borondo I was offered a signed Banksy print for under $6,000 and was short around $600-700. As I mentioned explicitly in the Borondo sales thread, I like Banksy more than Borondo and that was the reason for the sale (did not disclose the price of the Banksy at the time), and this is not something I am going to turn down. I would have done the same thing for pretty much any print I've ever purchased, if the timing had worked out that way. Just getting frustrated seeing this brought up time and time again.
That is the only time I can even recall posting a sales thread even close to market value. But I suppose my face-value Murdoc sale, or ~300p Borondo sale one month ago doesn't get any love. If I was in this for the money, I wouldn't be selling most of my prints for well below market value, or picking up prints for people from shows/galleries/miscellaneous retailers at cost (or half-market value if an archived print) as a favor.
This will probably come off as an extremely entitled post; just tired of the s**t.
"I for one have not forgotten your own antics straight after the borondo identity release. A print I was desperate for and one you asked for £500 before you had in hand on a £200 release!!!!
Pot calling the kettle black!!!" -forumguy
To clear the air regarding this, which I have privately with several people who keep bringing it up, I offered the Borondo print for sale at 500p because days after I purchased the Borondo I was offered a signed Banksy print for under $6,000 and was short around $600-700. As I mentioned explicitly in the Borondo sales thread, I like Banksy more than Borondo and that was the reason for the sale (did not disclose the price of the Banksy at the time), and this is not something I am going to turn down. I would have done the same thing for pretty much any print I've ever purchased, if the timing had worked out that way. Just getting frustrated seeing this brought up time and time again.
That is the only time I can even recall posting a sales thread even close to market value. But I suppose my face-value Murdoc sale, or ~300p Borondo sale one month ago doesn't get any love. If I was in this for the money, I wouldn't be selling most of my prints for well below market value, or picking up prints for people from shows/galleries/miscellaneous retailers at cost (or half-market value if an archived print) as a favor.
This will probably come off as an extremely entitled post; just tired of the s**t.
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by Ponyboy Curtis on Sept 30, 2014 15:31:42 GMT 1, This thread got out of control. Let the guy sell his print, even if it's for a redicilous amount. I know we all hate flippers, but people act like this is the first thread where someone tried to flip something. If no one ever tries to change anything, nothing will ever change... We can choose to be a community that encourages participation, it's not that hard.
This thread got out of control. Let the guy sell his print, even if it's for a redicilous amount. I know we all hate flippers, but people act like this is the first thread where someone tried to flip something. If no one ever tries to change anything, nothing will ever change... We can choose to be a community that encourages participation, it's not that hard. Whilst ignoring all the rules of a For Sale thread. Great work everyone. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 15:33:45 GMT 1, If no one ever tries to change anything, nothing will ever change... We can choose to be a community that encourages participation, it's not that hard. Whilst ignoring all the rules of a For Sale thread. Great work everyone.
Oh fuck this sales thread - I think we can all agree on that.
If no one ever tries to change anything, nothing will ever change... We can choose to be a community that encourages participation, it's not that hard. Whilst ignoring all the rules of a For Sale thread. Great work everyone. Oh fuck this sales thread - I think we can all agree on that. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 15:36:03 GMT 1, Its the OP's print. He bought it and can do what he likes with it. Sell it for cost, sell it for a loss, sell for a profit...he can skin up with it if he wants...its his. The b**ching and whining on here is pathetic not to mention against forum rules. We've all missed drops...its part of the game. Deal with it. Good luck with the sale OP.
I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that flipping when you don't have a lot of money and are doing it for cash is one thing (also don't agree with, but not gonna necessarily lash out). Flipping a print when you are going out and simultaneously buying multi-thousand dollar originals from the very same show seems at odds with morality and logic in more ways than basic flipping.
Its the OP's print. He bought it and can do what he likes with it. Sell it for cost, sell it for a loss, sell for a profit...he can skin up with it if he wants...its his. The b**ching and whining on here is pathetic not to mention against forum rules. We've all missed drops...its part of the game. Deal with it. Good luck with the sale OP. I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that flipping when you don't have a lot of money and are doing it for cash is one thing (also don't agree with, but not gonna necessarily lash out). Flipping a print when you are going out and simultaneously buying multi-thousand dollar originals from the very same show seems at odds with morality and logic in more ways than basic flipping. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by mengfong93 on Sept 30, 2014 15:50:56 GMT 1, He deserves no response at all. It's a for sales thread. Opinions are not allowed. When does a "flip" become a re sale on the secondary market? Or are you only allowed to resell stuff that doesn't appreciate? You're all a bunch of massive hypocrites. This and the post count snobbery on here...you're all mad.
He deserves no response at all. It's a for sales thread. Opinions are not allowed. When does a "flip" become a re sale on the secondary market? Or are you only allowed to resell stuff that doesn't appreciate? You're all a bunch of massive hypocrites. This and the post count snobbery on here...you're all mad. Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 16:13:21 GMT 1, He deserves no response at all. It's a for sales thread. Opinions are not allowed. When does a "flip" become a re sale on the secondary market? Or are you only allowed to resell stuff that doesn't appreciate? You're all a bunch of massive hypocrites. This and the post count snobbery on here...you're all mad. Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well.
Yeah I'd say opinions are allowed when the person is making false statements, like saying the print is 'sold out' when it is still going onsale this week for cost.
And I'd say this post is different from others, in that a) he is selling a print he doesn't have in-hand, b) post count, c) his apparent ability to afford original art while needing to fleece someone for $200, d) trying to sell an item that isn't even sold out yet, and will be publicly available to everyone on this forum in the near future via website for the price he paid, thus negating his 'labor' argument.
None of those particular factors in themselves are worthy of opinion/response, but all of them together, in one thread? That's hard to resist.
He deserves no response at all. It's a for sales thread. Opinions are not allowed. When does a "flip" become a re sale on the secondary market? Or are you only allowed to resell stuff that doesn't appreciate? You're all a bunch of massive hypocrites. This and the post count snobbery on here...you're all mad. Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well. Yeah I'd say opinions are allowed when the person is making false statements, like saying the print is 'sold out' when it is still going onsale this week for cost. And I'd say this post is different from others, in that a) he is selling a print he doesn't have in-hand, b) post count, c) his apparent ability to afford original art while needing to fleece someone for $200, d) trying to sell an item that isn't even sold out yet, and will be publicly available to everyone on this forum in the near future via website for the price he paid, thus negating his 'labor' argument. None of those particular factors in themselves are worthy of opinion/response, but all of them together, in one thread? That's hard to resist. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by Ponyboy Curtis on Sept 30, 2014 16:21:42 GMT 1, He deserves no response at all. It's a for sales thread. Opinions are not allowed. When does a "flip" become a re sale on the secondary market? Or are you only allowed to resell stuff that doesn't appreciate? You're all a bunch of massive hypocrites. This and the post count snobbery on here...you're all mad. Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well.
He deserves no response at all. It's a for sales thread. Opinions are not allowed. When does a "flip" become a re sale on the secondary market? Or are you only allowed to resell stuff that doesn't appreciate? You're all a bunch of massive hypocrites. This and the post count snobbery on here...you're all mad. Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well. Look. The point is that this is a for sales thread. GTFO of it and start a moaning thread that doesn't break forum rules somewhere else. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by WOOF on Sept 30, 2014 16:24:44 GMT 1, Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well. Look. The point is that this is a for sales thread. GTFO of it and start a moaning thread that doesn't break forum rules somewhere else.
There's no rule that says you can't encourage people who are only here to dump their flips on active members to actually participate instead of just trying to make a buck.
Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well. Look. The point is that this is a for sales thread. GTFO of it and start a moaning thread that doesn't break forum rules somewhere else. There's no rule that says you can't encourage people who are only here to dump their flips on active members to actually participate instead of just trying to make a buck. |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 16:25:09 GMT 1, reading this thread is like watching an episode of Jerry Springer. I don't have to agree with it, but I can watch this shit all day 
reading this thread is like watching an episode of Jerry Springer. I don't have to agree with it, but I can watch this shit all day |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by Ottomatik on Sept 30, 2014 17:09:48 GMT 1, Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well. Look. The point is that this is a for sales thread. GTFO of it and start a moaning thread that doesn't break forum rules somewhere else.
I just think he needs to have the print 'in hand' before he makes a for sale thread.
If that isn't a rule, it should be.
BTW- I have a 2018 BMW X6 for sale.
Mint condition.
Accepting offers over £57K.
::rolls eyes::
Think you are missing the point here though, dss111 has pretty much summed it up pretty well. Look. The point is that this is a for sales thread. GTFO of it and start a moaning thread that doesn't break forum rules somewhere else. I just think he needs to have the print 'in hand' before he makes a for sale thread. If that isn't a rule, it should be. BTW- I have a 2018 BMW X6 for sale. Mint condition. Accepting offers over £57K. ::rolls eyes:: |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by cmodart on Sept 30, 2014 17:33:20 GMT 1, I don't have a problem with the price. I buy things, frame almost 100% of them, enjoy them, and there's almost always a price to sell. Some might construe the price as a "flip price", but it's my strike price. Flipping is just part of the art world now. It could be argued that artists release them at relatively low prices to ensure a sell-out, and therefore the price is artificially low.
That said, selling for a profit before having "in hand", particularly when there are lots of gutted people that couldn't get one - that's bad mojo.
I don't have a problem with the price. I buy things, frame almost 100% of them, enjoy them, and there's almost always a price to sell. Some might construe the price as a "flip price", but it's my strike price. Flipping is just part of the art world now. It could be argued that artists release them at relatively low prices to ensure a sell-out, and therefore the price is artificially low.
That said, selling for a profit before having "in hand", particularly when there are lots of gutted people that couldn't get one - that's bad mojo.
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by mojo on Sept 30, 2014 17:54:32 GMT 1, I don't have a problem with the price. I buy things, frame almost 100% of them, enjoy them, and there's almost always a price to sell. Some might construe the price as a "flip price", but it's my strike price. Flipping is just part of the art world now. It could be argued that artists release them at relatively low prices to ensure a sell-out, and therefore the price is artificially low. That said, selling for a profit before having "in hand", particularly when there are lots of gutted people that couldn't get one - that's bad mojo.
Never flipped a print in my life ........ For Real!
Unless of course you mean mojo as in luck/class.......I have lots of both ; )
I don't have a problem with the price. I buy things, frame almost 100% of them, enjoy them, and there's almost always a price to sell. Some might construe the price as a "flip price", but it's my strike price. Flipping is just part of the art world now. It could be argued that artists release them at relatively low prices to ensure a sell-out, and therefore the price is artificially low. That said, selling for a profit before having "in hand", particularly when there are lots of gutted people that couldn't get one - that's bad mojo. R U Talking to Me? Never flipped a print in my life ........ For Real! Unless of course you mean mojo as in luck/class.......I have lots of both ; ) |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by cmodart on Sept 30, 2014 18:08:48 GMT 1, I don't have a problem with the price. I buy things, frame almost 100% of them, enjoy them, and there's almost always a price to sell. Some might construe the price as a "flip price", but it's my strike price. Flipping is just part of the art world now. It could be argued that artists release them at relatively low prices to ensure a sell-out, and therefore the price is artificially low. That said, selling for a profit before having "in hand", particularly when there are lots of gutted people that couldn't get one - that's bad mojo. R U Talking to Me? Never flipped a print in my life ........ For Real! Unless of course you mean mojo as in luck/class.......I have lots of both ; )
I was talking to your cousin "bad mojo"
I don't have a problem with the price. I buy things, frame almost 100% of them, enjoy them, and there's almost always a price to sell. Some might construe the price as a "flip price", but it's my strike price. Flipping is just part of the art world now. It could be argued that artists release them at relatively low prices to ensure a sell-out, and therefore the price is artificially low. That said, selling for a profit before having "in hand", particularly when there are lots of gutted people that couldn't get one - that's bad mojo. R U Talking to Me? Never flipped a print in my life ........ For Real! Unless of course you mean mojo as in luck/class.......I have lots of both ; ) I was talking to your cousin "bad mojo" |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by mojo on Sept 30, 2014 18:19:54 GMT 1, R U Talking to Me? Never flipped a print in my life ........ For Real! Unless of course you mean mojo as in luck/class.......I have lots of both ; ) I was talking to your cousin "bad mojo"
R U Talking to Me? Never flipped a print in my life ........ For Real! Unless of course you mean mojo as in luck/class.......I have lots of both ; ) I was talking to your cousin "bad mojo" Well next time you see that mofo tell em to stay away from me! |
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by skorcher on Sept 30, 2014 19:03:11 GMT 1, It's available now at stolen space for £300, better jump on it before the flippers snatches it all up.
It's available now at stolen space for £300, better jump on it before the flippers snatches it all up.
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by WOOF on Sept 30, 2014 20:13:39 GMT 1, Crap.
Crap.
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Dface "Suck Face" Kiss Print from LA Show Scars and Stripes, by rebelate on Oct 4, 2014 10:47:13 GMT 1, Huh? What line were you in? There was 103 people in line...Many didn't even buy a print, they wanted stuff signed or a book+signature.
Huh? What line were you in? There was 103 people in line...Many didn't even buy a print, they wanted stuff signed or a book+signature.
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