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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 19:34:02 GMT 1, I agree FOI. Very underated. That blue splashback canvas you've got in your post is now hanging on my wall and is always getting attention from visitors to Snowy Towers.
I agree FOI. Very underated. That blue splashback canvas you've got in your post is now hanging on my wall and is always getting attention from visitors to Snowy Towers.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by sgolby on Nov 6, 2014 19:44:17 GMT 1, Agreed, very underrated. He does some beautiful work. This is one of my favorite HPMs that i own!
Agreed, very underrated. He does some beautiful work. This is one of my favorite HPMs that i own!
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Wearology on Nov 6, 2014 19:49:53 GMT 1, 100% Agree - very underrated.
100% Agree - very underrated.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by randomname on Nov 6, 2014 19:52:53 GMT 1, also very "wife friendly" (whatever that means. me, I find that phrase sexist, but whatever) I think of his work more as kid friendly. Luckily, my girlfriend likes what I like, so it's never an issue.
also very "wife friendly" (whatever that means. me, I find that phrase sexist, but whatever) I think of his work more as kid friendly. Luckily, my girlfriend likes what I like, so it's never an issue.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by t3c on Nov 6, 2014 19:57:21 GMT 1, need to get me some Grafter
need to get me some Grafter
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 20:32:55 GMT 1, I like the bottom pic
i would have me one of those
I like the bottom pic
i would have me one of those
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 20:43:56 GMT 1, this is the one I have (no longer on his site)... have it framed and mounted with a light blue that matches the print
this is the one I have (no longer on his site)... have it framed and mounted with a light blue that matches the print
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by met on Nov 6, 2014 20:55:35 GMT 1, I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated.
There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world.
I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated.
There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by jettad on Nov 6, 2014 20:57:10 GMT 1, I have Daisy stops the traffic, love it, but it is huge so have not framed it yet, may have to figure out to hang it unframed to be honest.
I have Daisy stops the traffic, love it, but it is huge so have not framed it yet, may have to figure out to hang it unframed to be honest.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Happy Shopper on Nov 6, 2014 21:19:48 GMT 1, Eelus in 2006 on a bad day... and that's being kind.
Eelus in 2006 on a bad day... and that's being kind.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Nov 6, 2014 21:19:57 GMT 1, I like the bottom pic i would have me one of those The bottom pic is Released. There's a version on veneer available on his bigcartel for £150
I have the grey version and it's one of my favourites, am again on the lookout for a multicoloured Splashback
I like the bottom pic i would have me one of those The bottom pic is Released. There's a version on veneer available on his bigcartel for £150 I have the grey version and it's one of my favourites, am again on the lookout for a multicoloured Splashback
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 21:23:30 GMT 1, Eelus in 2006 on a bad day... and that's being kind. I like his work better than Eelus. but as they say - opinions are like assholes. we all have one
Eelus in 2006 on a bad day... and that's being kind. I like his work better than Eelus. but as they say - opinions are like assholes. we all have one
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 21:24:46 GMT 1, I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated. There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world. what's an Athena-poster?
I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated. There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world. what's an Athena-poster?
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by sgolby on Nov 6, 2014 21:26:14 GMT 1, I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated. There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world. Question met... How can someone be over rated that gets ZERO airplay anywhere? Just curious?
Either way, to each their own...
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I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated. There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world. Question met... How can someone be over rated that gets ZERO airplay anywhere? Just curious? Either way, to each their own... S
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Matt on Nov 6, 2014 21:49:45 GMT 1, Always had very mixed feelings about Grafter, and never jumped the gun of purchasing.
That first one you posted Fed is quite nice. I could quite enjoy having that in a nice frame
The rest look like crowed pleasers with little to them...
Any news on what he is up to recently and what might be next, haven't followed too closely.
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Always had very mixed feelings about Grafter, and never jumped the gun of purchasing.
That first one you posted Fed is quite nice. I could quite enjoy having that in a nice frame
The rest look like crowed pleasers with little to them...
Any news on what he is up to recently and what might be next, haven't followed too closely.
M
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Nov 6, 2014 22:12:59 GMT 1, My wife's only art purchase a few years ago was the Eskimo white canvas and everyone loves it, its a great image and I liked the first splash originals that came out although didn't buy one.. It's all opinions and the recent works hasn't done anything for me..
My wife's only art purchase a few years ago was the Eskimo white canvas and everyone loves it, its a great image and I liked the first splash originals that came out although didn't buy one.. It's all opinions and the recent works hasn't done anything for me..
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 22:13:58 GMT 1, Grafter was blamed numerous times before failing to stick to the original edition number; by doing more and more variations; which is understandable for collectors who cares about what is produced
Not my cup of tea but I enjoyed watching his video with live painting and it helped me to see few tricks.
Grafter was blamed numerous times before failing to stick to the original edition number; by doing more and more variations; which is understandable for collectors who cares about what is produced
Not my cup of tea but I enjoyed watching his video with live painting and it helped me to see few tricks.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by My Name is Frank on Nov 6, 2014 22:16:14 GMT 1, I think in balance grafter would himself admit he is an amateur artist, who really enjoys what he does. Enough other people enjoy it too that he can produce editions of work which give him pleasure to make.
His Eskimo boy at cans paved the way and I guess he is a father of children given his choices of image. Some are good, some not so good, but he is certainly not underrated in any way and I am sure must feel rewarded that so many people have also enjoyed his passion for creating stencil art too
I think in balance grafter would himself admit he is an amateur artist, who really enjoys what he does. Enough other people enjoy it too that he can produce editions of work which give him pleasure to make.
His Eskimo boy at cans paved the way and I guess he is a father of children given his choices of image. Some are good, some not so good, but he is certainly not underrated in any way and I am sure must feel rewarded that so many people have also enjoyed his passion for creating stencil art too
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 22:27:47 GMT 1, Always had very mixed feelings about Grafter, and never jumped the gun of purchasing. That first one you posted Fed is quite nice. I could quite enjoy having that in a nice frame The rest look like crowed pleasers with little to them... Any news on what he is up to recently and what might be next, haven't followed too closely. M that first one is actually my least favorite of the bunch
I think the "With one piece missing" has a lot of depth to it, maybe not so much the others
Always had very mixed feelings about Grafter, and never jumped the gun of purchasing. That first one you posted Fed is quite nice. I could quite enjoy having that in a nice frame The rest look like crowed pleasers with little to them... Any news on what he is up to recently and what might be next, haven't followed too closely. M that first one is actually my least favorite of the bunch I think the "With one piece missing" has a lot of depth to it, maybe not so much the others
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by tommyf on Nov 7, 2014 0:31:07 GMT 1, I have this hanging in my dining room and it gets a lot of comments from people -
I have this hanging in my dining room and it gets a lot of comments from people -
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 0:47:36 GMT 1, I think in balance grafter would himself admit he is an amateur artist, who really enjoys what he does. Enough other people enjoy it too that he can produce editions of work which give him pleasure to make. His Eskimo boy at cans paved the way and I guess he is a father of children given his choices of image. Some are good, some not so good, but he is certainly not underrated in any way and I am sure must feel rewarded that so many people have also enjoyed his passion for creating stencil art too You are right !!
But isn't there any better word than "Amateur" ? I think "hobbyist" is better; there is something in "amateur" understating it is with done with little experience... "hobbyist" can be talented, having experience, etc. but they do this as an hobby (not full time job in opposite to artist)
I think in balance grafter would himself admit he is an amateur artist, who really enjoys what he does. Enough other people enjoy it too that he can produce editions of work which give him pleasure to make. His Eskimo boy at cans paved the way and I guess he is a father of children given his choices of image. Some are good, some not so good, but he is certainly not underrated in any way and I am sure must feel rewarded that so many people have also enjoyed his passion for creating stencil art too You are right !! But isn't there any better word than "Amateur" ? I think "hobbyist" is better; there is something in "amateur" understating it is with done with little experience... "hobbyist" can be talented, having experience, etc. but they do this as an hobby (not full time job in opposite to artist)
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by met on Nov 7, 2014 2:22:15 GMT 1, I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated. There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world. what's an Athena-poster? Sorry. That was unintentionally both a cultural reference and a generational one.
Athena (now defunct) was a British retail chain that specialised in selling framed and unframed, open edition, poster reproductions of art, illustration and photographs. I don't know if the company had a presence in the US but, like The Body Shop and Benetton, it could typically be found in Canadian shopping malls.
There wasn't any curation as such in these shops. What Athena offered was determined purely by what would sell. As with the majority of businesses, it focused on profit. The purpose was not to challenge customers, let alone to educate them about photography and art or to nurture any artistic careers, but rather to shift as much product as possible, as quickly as possible.
Here are a couple of Athena's most well-known images:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Enfant_(poster) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Girl
Of course, what sold reflected what was popular with the general public. Now, some do say popularity is a reasonable basis for determining what constitutes good art. Others may refer rather dismissively to "lowest common denominator". Ultimately, it may come down to each person's opinion about home decor images of beautiful landscapes, cuddly animals doing funny things, cute kids, sexy men and women, etc.
I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated. There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world. what's an Athena-poster? Sorry. That was unintentionally both a cultural reference and a generational one. Athena (now defunct) was a British retail chain that specialised in selling framed and unframed, open edition, poster reproductions of art, illustration and photographs. I don't know if the company had a presence in the US but, like The Body Shop and Benetton, it could typically be found in Canadian shopping malls. There wasn't any curation as such in these shops. What Athena offered was determined purely by what would sell. As with the majority of businesses, it focused on profit. The purpose was not to challenge customers, let alone to educate them about photography and art or to nurture any artistic careers, but rather to shift as much product as possible, as quickly as possible. Here are a couple of Athena's most well-known images: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Enfant_(poster)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_GirlOf course, what sold reflected what was popular with the general public. Now, some do say popularity is a reasonable basis for determining what constitutes good art. Others may refer rather dismissively to "lowest common denominator". Ultimately, it may come down to each person's opinion about home decor images of beautiful landscapes, cuddly animals doing funny things, cute kids, sexy men and women, etc.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by met on Nov 7, 2014 2:39:25 GMT 1, I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated. There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world. Question met ... How can someone be over rated that gets ZERO airplay anywhere? Just curious? Either way, to each their own... S I would have to disagree with your premise that Grafter's work is never discussed. The artist himself is a member here and occasionally, albeit rarely, provides updates on his current projects. Others sometimes mention him as well. Granted, this is often in sale posts, but it's not like there's a complete blackout regarding his work.
From my perspective, Grafter's market is thankfully much healthier now than it was six years ago. Remember when Tibetan Boy was being sold at Urban Angel for £1,000, in an edition of 4? There were also at least three colourways of Splash as small canvases (around 50 cm x 40 cm), each colourway an edition of 10, and each costing something like £400. This was on top of the unknown number of "unique" versions produced of Splash, along with (if recollection serves) the different editions and variants in print format.
Back then, of course, people were spending not-insignificant sums on the likes of Hutch, Ripper1331, SPQR, Prefab77 and Static. Hopefully, the relevant buyers remain happy with their purchases, though at the time I must admit wincing on more than one occasion.
My feelings are actually the same today whenever I see Martin Whatson's work and the prices at which it's being sold. I place it in the same category as the art produced by Bambi and Mr Brainwash: relatively unskilled, highly derivative and, worst of all, uninteresting. In short, godawful. And coming from an atheist, that's saying quite a lot. For what it's worth, out of the three, given his very unique circumstances, I believe Mr Brainwash is the only one with a chance of salvaging some form of medium-term, art-related career.
I would argue that Grafter's work is grossly overrated. There's a twee naffness and consumer-driven, Athena-poster-like mindset to it which encapsulates many of the things I find repulsive in the commercial art world. Question met ... How can someone be over rated that gets ZERO airplay anywhere? Just curious? Either way, to each their own... S I would have to disagree with your premise that Grafter's work is never discussed. The artist himself is a member here and occasionally, albeit rarely, provides updates on his current projects. Others sometimes mention him as well. Granted, this is often in sale posts, but it's not like there's a complete blackout regarding his work. From my perspective, Grafter's market is thankfully much healthier now than it was six years ago. Remember when Tibetan Boy was being sold at Urban Angel for £1,000, in an edition of 4? There were also at least three colourways of Splash as small canvases (around 50 cm x 40 cm), each colourway an edition of 10, and each costing something like £400. This was on top of the unknown number of "unique" versions produced of Splash, along with (if recollection serves) the different editions and variants in print format. Back then, of course, people were spending not-insignificant sums on the likes of Hutch, Ripper1331, SPQR, Prefab77 and Static. Hopefully, the relevant buyers remain happy with their purchases, though at the time I must admit wincing on more than one occasion. My feelings are actually the same today whenever I see Martin Whatson's work and the prices at which it's being sold. I place it in the same category as the art produced by Bambi and Mr Brainwash: relatively unskilled, highly derivative and, worst of all, uninteresting. In short, godawful. And coming from an atheist, that's saying quite a lot. For what it's worth, out of the three, given his very unique circumstances, I believe Mr Brainwash is the only one with a chance of salvaging some form of medium-term, art-related career.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 3:03:51 GMT 1, Sorry. That was unintentionally both a cultural reference and a generational one. Athena (now defunct) was a British retail chain that specialised in selling framed and unframed, open edition, poster reproductions of art, illustration and photographs. I don't know if the company had a presence in the US but, like The Body Shop and Benetton, it could typically be found in Canadian shopping malls. There wasn't any curation as such in these shops. What Athena offered was determined purely by what would sell. As with the majority of businesses, it focused on profit. The purpose was not to challenge customers, let alone to educate them about photography and art or to nurture any artistic careers, but rather to shift as much product as possible, as quickly as possible. Here are a couple of Athena's most well-known images: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Enfant_(poster)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_GirlOf course, what sold reflected what was popular with the general public. Now, some do say popularity is a reasonable basis for determining what constitutes good art. Others may refer rather dismissively to "lowest common denominator". Ultimately, it may come down to each person's opinion about home decor images of beautiful landscapes, cuddly animals doing funny things, cute kids, sexy men and women, etc. ah gotcha. I get what you're saying. Yes, maybe Grafter's work doesn't work on any deeper levels, but I still maintain there is a place for art that exists solely to be aesthetically pleasing. It's art that can be passively enjoyed on the wall, rather than a piece meant to provoke thought. I prefer the latter, but don't mind having both in my collection In fact, my Grafter sits right next to a Ben Shan piece - worlds apart thematically, but I enjoy them both
and I think it's priced as such - most pieces around £120 or so - priced more as decoration than "art"
Sorry. That was unintentionally both a cultural reference and a generational one. Athena (now defunct) was a British retail chain that specialised in selling framed and unframed, open edition, poster reproductions of art, illustration and photographs. I don't know if the company had a presence in the US but, like The Body Shop and Benetton, it could typically be found in Canadian shopping malls. There wasn't any curation as such in these shops. What Athena offered was determined purely by what would sell. As with the majority of businesses, it focused on profit. The purpose was not to challenge customers, let alone to educate them about photography and art or to nurture any artistic careers, but rather to shift as much product as possible, as quickly as possible. Here are a couple of Athena's most well-known images: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Enfant_(poster)en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_GirlOf course, what sold reflected what was popular with the general public. Now, some do say popularity is a reasonable basis for determining what constitutes good art. Others may refer rather dismissively to "lowest common denominator". Ultimately, it may come down to each person's opinion about home decor images of beautiful landscapes, cuddly animals doing funny things, cute kids, sexy men and women, etc. ah gotcha. I get what you're saying. Yes, maybe Grafter's work doesn't work on any deeper levels, but I still maintain there is a place for art that exists solely to be aesthetically pleasing. It's art that can be passively enjoyed on the wall, rather than a piece meant to provoke thought. I prefer the latter, but don't mind having both in my collection In fact, my Grafter sits right next to a Ben Shan piece - worlds apart thematically, but I enjoy them both and I think it's priced as such - most pieces around £120 or so - priced more as decoration than "art"
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by thomasmer on Nov 7, 2014 4:03:03 GMT 1, Because he's not a career artist, just a part time Harry.
Would you buy a car if you knew the car factory was just about to close down.
Because he's not a career artist, just a part time Harry.
Would you buy a car if you knew the car factory was just about to close down.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Black Apple Art on Nov 7, 2014 7:36:15 GMT 1, Because he's not a career artist, just a part time Harry. Would you buy a car if you knew the car factory was just about to close down. If I was going to display the car on my wall and I thought it looked amazing... yes.
Because he's not a career artist, just a part time Harry. Would you buy a car if you knew the car factory was just about to close down. If I was going to display the car on my wall and I thought it looked amazing... yes.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by .dappy on Nov 7, 2014 8:30:22 GMT 1, Because he's not a career artist, just a part time Harry. Would you buy a car if you knew the car factory was just about to close down. ... poor analogy ... you do not need to buy spare parts to fix a piece of art as it gets older ... you could say that because grafter does not produce a lot of work (& stops?) it creates more value ...
Because he's not a career artist, just a part time Harry. Would you buy a car if you knew the car factory was just about to close down. ... poor analogy ... you do not need to buy spare parts to fix a piece of art as it gets older ... you could say that because grafter does not produce a lot of work (& stops?) it creates more value ...
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by I like pictures on Nov 7, 2014 9:06:30 GMT 1, If anyone wants to sell their splash at cost or below pm me.
If anyone wants to sell their splash at cost or below pm me.
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Grafter - one of the best artists out there, IMO, by Happy Shopper on Nov 7, 2014 9:49:43 GMT 1, Because he's not a career artist, just a part time Harry. Would you buy a car if you knew the car factory was just about to close down. ... poor analogy ... you do not need to buy spare parts to fix a piece of art as it gets older ... you could say that because grafter does not produce a lot of work (& stops?) it creates more value ... If he stops releasing things and people stop talking about him then he'll be forgotten... I think is the point being made.
I doubt he'll be remembered as a great artist of this scene once he stops.
Because he's not a career artist, just a part time Harry. Would you buy a car if you knew the car factory was just about to close down. ... poor analogy ... you do not need to buy spare parts to fix a piece of art as it gets older ... you could say that because grafter does not produce a lot of work (& stops?) it creates more value ... If he stops releasing things and people stop talking about him then he'll be forgotten... I think is the point being made. I doubt he'll be remembered as a great artist of this scene once he stops.
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