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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Lroy on Apr 29, 2021 15:05:02 GMT 1, I think he have to make new pictures. I agree we see shadows etc...
I think he have to make new pictures. I agree we see shadows etc...
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 17:25:45 GMT 1, I think if he wants a genuine tenner he should buy it from another vendor.
Why? It look good on the face picture.
I think if he wants a genuine tenner he should buy it from another vendor. Why? It look good on the face picture.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on Apr 30, 2021 22:17:37 GMT 1, Admittedly they're not the best of pictures - it's not the best of cameras - and I'm not even sure the tenner is genuine or not, but it does appear to have distinct and discrete dots all over it (rather than the blurring and lack of detail you see on a definite fake - see pictures on page 1 of this forum) and rosette marks e.g. on the face. So presumably it is an actual lithograph. But whether it's genuine...?
Are we saying there are fake off-set lithographs out there, rather than just poor laser jet prints from scans? As I said, it came from DOPE! Not sure what their QC is. I guess if they can see it's came from an off-set process then they are saying it's genuine.
There are apparently variations in quality between genuine notes, according to page 1.
Admittedly they're not the best of pictures - it's not the best of cameras - and I'm not even sure the tenner is genuine or not, but it does appear to have distinct and discrete dots all over it (rather than the blurring and lack of detail you see on a definite fake - see pictures on page 1 of this forum) and rosette marks e.g. on the face. So presumably it is an actual lithograph. But whether it's genuine...?
Are we saying there are fake off-set lithographs out there, rather than just poor laser jet prints from scans? As I said, it came from DOPE! Not sure what their QC is. I guess if they can see it's came from an off-set process then they are saying it's genuine.
There are apparently variations in quality between genuine notes, according to page 1.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Lazarus II on Apr 30, 2021 22:28:51 GMT 1, Why would any gallery sell tenners at a significsntly lower value than any other gallery or legit seller?
Why would any gallery sell tenners at a significsntly lower value than any other gallery or legit seller?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Terry Fuckwitt on Apr 30, 2021 23:01:58 GMT 1, Admittedly they're not the best of pictures - it's not the best of cameras - and I'm not even sure the tenner is genuine or not, but it does appear to have distinct and discrete dots all over it (rather than the blurring and lack of detail you see on a definite fake - see pictures on page 1 of this forum) and rosette marks e.g. on the face. So presumably it is an actual lithograph. But whether it's genuine...? Are we saying there are fake off-set lithographs out there, rather than just poor laser jet prints from scans? As I said, it came from DOPE! Not sure what their QC is. I guess if they can see it's came from an off-set process then they are saying it's genuine. There are apparently variations in quality between genuine notes, according to page 1.
You can try and convince yourself as much as you like, but it's a fake
Admittedly they're not the best of pictures - it's not the best of cameras - and I'm not even sure the tenner is genuine or not, but it does appear to have distinct and discrete dots all over it (rather than the blurring and lack of detail you see on a definite fake - see pictures on page 1 of this forum) and rosette marks e.g. on the face. So presumably it is an actual lithograph. But whether it's genuine...? Are we saying there are fake off-set lithographs out there, rather than just poor laser jet prints from scans? As I said, it came from DOPE! Not sure what their QC is. I guess if they can see it's came from an off-set process then they are saying it's genuine. There are apparently variations in quality between genuine notes, according to page 1. You can try and convince yourself as much as you like, but it's a fake
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Terry Fuckwitt on Apr 30, 2021 23:08:17 GMT 1, I think if he wants a genuine tenner he should buy it from another vendor. Why? It look good on the face picture.
Looks good against your one, because yours is fake as well.
I think if he wants a genuine tenner he should buy it from another vendor. Why? It look good on the face picture. Looks good against your one, because yours is fake as well.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by .dappy on May 1, 2021 0:01:25 GMT 1, Why? It look good on the face picture. Looks good against your one, because yours is fake as well.
... BOOM! ...
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Why? It look good on the face picture. Looks good against your one, because yours is fake as well. ... BOOM! ... ... lol ...
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on May 1, 2021 7:27:33 GMT 1, Why? It look good on the face picture. Looks good against your one, because yours is fake as well.
What a hate as usual!! I can’t help that your wife don’t want to fuck with you anymore. Please look for another victim or place to complain.
Why? It look good on the face picture. Looks good against your one, because yours is fake as well. What a hate as usual!! I can’t help that your wife don’t want to fuck with you anymore. Please look for another victim or place to complain.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by inefficiencyof on May 1, 2021 7:33:42 GMT 1, Well that escalated quickly. 🧐
Well that escalated quickly. 🧐
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 1, 2021 8:58:01 GMT 1, Thanks for the replies. I'm not really getting anything to help. Is anyone able to give criteria that would determine whether any tenner is genuine, other than an opinion, considering no one can certify them. Eg what should the dots look like close up / how clear should the rosettes be.
Peas - thank you for your comparison pics. My note looks a lot better before I click the shutter on the camera - it's not the best camera.
And can someone if the better fakes out there are lithographs?
Thanks for the replies. I'm not really getting anything to help. Is anyone able to give criteria that would determine whether any tenner is genuine, other than an opinion, considering no one can certify them. Eg what should the dots look like close up / how clear should the rosettes be.
Peas - thank you for your comparison pics. My note looks a lot better before I click the shutter on the camera - it's not the best camera.
And can someone if the better fakes out there are lithographs?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Lazarus II on May 1, 2021 9:50:28 GMT 1, Thanks for the replies. I'm not really getting anything to help. Is anyone able to give criteria that would determine whether any tenner is genuine, other than an opinion, considering no one can certify them. Eg what should the dots look like close up / how clear should the rosettes be. Peas - thank you for your comparison pics. My note looks a lot better before I click the shutter on the camera - it's not the best camera. And can someone if the better fakes out there are lithographs?
Plenty detail on tenners on this thread and others.If you bought from someone who sells art for a living and is selling them at half the price of others who also sell art for a living that will give you a clue as to how authentic it is.
Thanks for the replies. I'm not really getting anything to help. Is anyone able to give criteria that would determine whether any tenner is genuine, other than an opinion, considering no one can certify them. Eg what should the dots look like close up / how clear should the rosettes be. Peas - thank you for your comparison pics. My note looks a lot better before I click the shutter on the camera - it's not the best camera. And can someone if the better fakes out there are lithographs? Plenty detail on tenners on this thread and others.If you bought from someone who sells art for a living and is selling them at half the price of others who also sell art for a living that will give you a clue as to how authentic it is.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 1, 2021 10:03:56 GMT 1, Ok one last question as I don't feel I'm getting anywhere, and I'd like definite things I can look for rather than opinions. Every single image of a fake tenner on this site has blurring and indistinct dots. Every one for sale on eBay not through an art dealer us the same again. Whatever I have has discrete dots. Why is this?
Can you scan and print a genuine tenner and end up with discrete dots?
Are there genuine but lower quality tenners? (Post on page one indicates so).
Ok one last question as I don't feel I'm getting anywhere, and I'd like definite things I can look for rather than opinions. Every single image of a fake tenner on this site has blurring and indistinct dots. Every one for sale on eBay not through an art dealer us the same again. Whatever I have has discrete dots. Why is this?
Can you scan and print a genuine tenner and end up with discrete dots?
Are there genuine but lower quality tenners? (Post on page one indicates so).
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on May 1, 2021 11:35:08 GMT 1, Thanks for the replies. I'm not really getting anything to help. Is anyone able to give criteria that would determine whether any tenner is genuine, other than an opinion, considering no one can certify them. Eg what should the dots look like close up / how clear should the rosettes be. Peas - thank you for your comparison pics. My note looks a lot better before I click the shutter on the camera - it's not the best camera. And can someone if the better fakes out there are lithographs? You’re getting plenty of help, just not getting the help that you were hoping for. If you’re hoping someone will help you convince yourself that it’s real then unfortunately that won’t happen. You bought it from Dope! The images are wrong. It’s fake - try to get a refund and move on.
Don’t believe these people. They are bashing Dope Gallery here. There’s no place where there are complains about them except this dumb.
Thanks for the replies. I'm not really getting anything to help. Is anyone able to give criteria that would determine whether any tenner is genuine, other than an opinion, considering no one can certify them. Eg what should the dots look like close up / how clear should the rosettes be. Peas - thank you for your comparison pics. My note looks a lot better before I click the shutter on the camera - it's not the best camera. And can someone if the better fakes out there are lithographs? You’re getting plenty of help, just not getting the help that you were hoping for. If you’re hoping someone will help you convince yourself that it’s real then unfortunately that won’t happen. You bought it from Dope! The images are wrong. It’s fake - try to get a refund and move on. Don’t believe these people. They are bashing Dope Gallery here. There’s no place where there are complains about them except this dumb.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on May 1, 2021 11:35:49 GMT 1, Well that escalated quickly. 🧐
Because of all the shit people post because they want some attention.
Well that escalated quickly. 🧐 Because of all the shit people post because they want some attention.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 1, 2021 11:56:15 GMT 1, Well that escalated quickly. 🧐 Because of all the shit people post because they want some attention.
You're the one posting shit. Telling people their fake notes from dope gallery are genuine. Hyping and promoting Mrs Banksy. Great job Maurice, keep up the good work.
Well that escalated quickly. 🧐 Because of all the shit people post because they want some attention. You're the one posting shit. Telling people their fake notes from dope gallery are genuine. Hyping and promoting Mrs Banksy. Great job Maurice, keep up the good work.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 3, 2021 16:34:12 GMT 1, Oh dear. I only came on here for some sensible advice and only got unsubstantiated opinions. I was hoping this was a community not a shouting match! For the last time, can someone please explain how you determine what is real and what is fake, without resorting to swearing or abuse. That would be most helpful. My DOPE tenner appears to be a lithograph as I've also said a few times. So I also want to know if that is commonplace. As I've also said, the poor copies on eBay do not appear to have much detail, but mine (fake or not) has some detail, but probably less than others. Last attempt to get a sensible answer from someone on here, please!!
Oh dear. I only came on here for some sensible advice and only got unsubstantiated opinions. I was hoping this was a community not a shouting match! For the last time, can someone please explain how you determine what is real and what is fake, without resorting to swearing or abuse. That would be most helpful. My DOPE tenner appears to be a lithograph as I've also said a few times. So I also want to know if that is commonplace. As I've also said, the poor copies on eBay do not appear to have much detail, but mine (fake or not) has some detail, but probably less than others. Last attempt to get a sensible answer from someone on here, please!!
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by tab1 on May 3, 2021 17:15:35 GMT 1, Surprised laz had not set up a pest control type authorization for these, seeing as these have and continue to rise in value. Also as he is the majority stakeholder distributing these would be in his interest to rid the market of fakes
Surprised laz had not set up a pest control type authorization for these, seeing as these have and continue to rise in value. Also as he is the majority stakeholder distributing these would be in his interest to rid the market of fakes
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 3, 2021 17:17:30 GMT 1, So just to clarify, please don't just keep saying "It's fake", "Get over it", "Move on" etc. Tell me why it is fake, specifically from the images. And please don't say "Because your images are wrong". I want to know what it is you are looking for. I don't care if it 'is' fake but I need you to tell me why.
So just to clarify, please don't just keep saying "It's fake", "Get over it", "Move on" etc. Tell me why it is fake, specifically from the images. And please don't say "Because your images are wrong". I want to know what it is you are looking for. I don't care if it 'is' fake but I need you to tell me why.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 3, 2021 17:22:00 GMT 1, Yes I agree.
Yes I agree.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by inefficiencyof on May 3, 2021 17:49:24 GMT 1, So just to clarify, please don't just keep saying "It's fake", "Get over it", "Move on" etc. Tell me why it is fake, specifically from the images. And please don't say "Because your images are wrong". I want to know what it is you are looking for. I don't care if it 'is' fake but I need you to tell me why. You have already been provided with an example, and this thread is full of excellent information. If you want more detailed analysis of your tenner I suggest you post much better photos.
I think the quality of your photo has limited the detail in people’s responses. I can see the correct pattern but they don’t look as sharp or crisp as I would expect for a legit note, like others have already suggested. Maybe supply better photos, and also search the forum, (search bar top right) as there are various other threads that also provide very good detailed information on what you are looking for.
So just to clarify, please don't just keep saying "It's fake", "Get over it", "Move on" etc. Tell me why it is fake, specifically from the images. And please don't say "Because your images are wrong". I want to know what it is you are looking for. I don't care if it 'is' fake but I need you to tell me why. You have already been provided with an example, and this thread is full of excellent information. If you want more detailed analysis of your tenner I suggest you post much better photos. I think the quality of your photo has limited the detail in people’s responses. I can see the correct pattern but they don’t look as sharp or crisp as I would expect for a legit note, like others have already suggested. Maybe supply better photos, and also search the forum, (search bar top right) as there are various other threads that also provide very good detailed information on what you are looking for.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 3, 2021 18:01:09 GMT 1, Thanks for your replies. I'll endeavour to find a better camera and start from there.
Thanks for your replies. I'll endeavour to find a better camera and start from there.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Terry Fuckwitt on May 3, 2021 18:15:06 GMT 1, Thanks for your replies. I'll endeavour to find a better camera and start from there.
Or scan it on your printer and set the dpi to a high setting
Thanks for your replies. I'll endeavour to find a better camera and start from there. Or scan it on your printer and set the dpi to a high setting
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by inefficiencyof on May 3, 2021 18:17:52 GMT 1, Thanks for your replies. I'll endeavour to find a better camera and start from there. I just used my iPhone XS. Produced clearer photos. My legit Tenner:
Thanks for your replies. I'll endeavour to find a better camera and start from there. I just used my iPhone XS. Produced clearer photos. My legit Tenner:
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 3, 2021 18:36:46 GMT 1, Thanks innefficiency. My scanner gave a worse pic than my camera, even at max dpi! Not sure why. I can see the clear 'smiley face' circles across your image. I have those, but not as clear in mine, hence why it's fake. I was confused because from many posts I had learned that you can't copy and print a fake di-faced tenner, hence the really blurry ones lacking in any detail currently for sale every day on Ebay. Maybe my fake is at the cutting edge of the fakery spectrum?!?!
Thanks innefficiency. My scanner gave a worse pic than my camera, even at max dpi! Not sure why. I can see the clear 'smiley face' circles across your image. I have those, but not as clear in mine, hence why it's fake. I was confused because from many posts I had learned that you can't copy and print a fake di-faced tenner, hence the really blurry ones lacking in any detail currently for sale every day on Ebay. Maybe my fake is at the cutting edge of the fakery spectrum?!?!
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by moron on May 7, 2021 13:09:25 GMT 1, Regarding paying good money for Di Faced Tenner's. All this Banksy memorabilia can be easily reproduced as good as the originals. Anyone that gets hold of a Di Faced Tenner for reference and who has access to the right person/s in the print game can source the correct paper and reproduce these tenners exactly. The advice that a close up image proves a tenner is authentic is BS. That's just down to how good quality the litho printing is. Any clown can make up a story that they got a tenner from someone who knows Banksy etc etc and demand a high price. reality is, that, that provenance cannot be proven and I doubt the seller can prove what they say too. If someone is spending more than a few quid on one of these, then considering that the secondary market collectors who want an investment need solid provenance. Buying from people like Laz makes sense. You can pay half of what Laz is selling them for if you believe the back story that sellers give and enlarged images showing close up's of the printing process mean nothing in this day and age when everything can be reproduced easily using the same technology. You can buy moody Di faced Tenner's for a few quid that look right and don't care if they were printed by Banksy and co or you can buy ones with solid verifiable provenance from people like Laz and know that your investment is solid. Buying in between from people with big images and some back story is fine untill you want to sell the tenner. Considering you only have the sellers word you bought it from that the tenner came from Banksy.
Buyer beware said Caveat Emptor
Regarding paying good money for Di Faced Tenner's. All this Banksy memorabilia can be easily reproduced as good as the originals. Anyone that gets hold of a Di Faced Tenner for reference and who has access to the right person/s in the print game can source the correct paper and reproduce these tenners exactly. The advice that a close up image proves a tenner is authentic is BS. That's just down to how good quality the litho printing is. Any clown can make up a story that they got a tenner from someone who knows Banksy etc etc and demand a high price. reality is, that, that provenance cannot be proven and I doubt the seller can prove what they say too. If someone is spending more than a few quid on one of these, then considering that the secondary market collectors who want an investment need solid provenance. Buying from people like Laz makes sense. You can pay half of what Laz is selling them for if you believe the back story that sellers give and enlarged images showing close up's of the printing process mean nothing in this day and age when everything can be reproduced easily using the same technology. You can buy moody Di faced Tenner's for a few quid that look right and don't care if they were printed by Banksy and co or you can buy ones with solid verifiable provenance from people like Laz and know that your investment is solid. Buying in between from people with big images and some back story is fine untill you want to sell the tenner. Considering you only have the sellers word you bought it from that the tenner came from Banksy.
Buyer beware said Caveat Emptor
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by MGK1 on May 10, 2021 11:12:01 GMT 1, I have a few of these for sale...gotta do up the bathroom!
They came from Steve Lazarides during the time I worked for Lazarides Gallery.
They don't come with a COA (the price reflects this I think) but I will provide proof of my employment at Lazarides and a letter documenting the provenance.
I also have plenty of references who can also confirm that these are the real deal.
London based - happy for these to be compared to those on a COA if anyone wants to do an in-person deal.
Happy to also send hi-res images that show the CMYK dots to any interested parties.
Can also ship no problem.
£1000 each.
I have a few of these for sale...gotta do up the bathroom! They came from Steve Lazarides during the time I worked for Lazarides Gallery. They don't come with a COA (the price reflects this I think) but I will provide proof of my employment at Lazarides and a letter documenting the provenance. I also have plenty of references who can also confirm that these are the real deal. London based - happy for these to be compared to those on a COA if anyone wants to do an in-person deal. Happy to also send hi-res images that show the CMYK dots to any interested parties. Can also ship no problem. £1000 each.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 10, 2021 13:43:58 GMT 1, That's an interesting read from moron. Would there be no way of spotting good fakes that had no provenance?
That's an interesting read from moron. Would there be no way of spotting good fakes that had no provenance?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by artfan2021 on May 10, 2021 19:19:09 GMT 1, These are the best pics I can get of this tenner. Can someone come back again and let me know if they think it's a fake, so I can get back to the gallery if needed? Thanks.
These are the best pics I can get of this tenner. Can someone come back again and let me know if they think it's a fake, so I can get back to the gallery if needed? Thanks.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by peas on May 10, 2021 21:00:13 GMT 1, One can never be 100% certain without seeing it in the flesh, but I'd say that's almost certainly the best fake I've seen.
Can you post photos of the back?
One can never be 100% certain without seeing it in the flesh, but I'd say that's almost certainly the best fake I've seen.
Can you post photos of the back?
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