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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 23:27:48 GMT 1, Really not hard to get confirmation from Laz if it’s a sticking point. Asking the average self-important know it all Joe on the forum isn’t going to get you anywhere. Gallery is on the up and up. Not a huge disparity between an unsigned Banksy print with COA and an unsigned Tenner here with COA. Both COA’s come directly from people with equal affiliation with the artist when printed. 100,000 potentially printed (very generous estimate) but only 50 with any kind of legitimate COA? Seems pretty damn cool to me.
Really not hard to get confirmation from Laz if it’s a sticking point. Asking the average self-important know it all Joe on the forum isn’t going to get you anywhere. Gallery is on the up and up. Not a huge disparity between an unsigned Banksy print with COA and an unsigned Tenner here with COA. Both COA’s come directly from people with equal affiliation with the artist when printed. 100,000 potentially printed (very generous estimate) but only 50 with any kind of legitimate COA? Seems pretty damn cool to me.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by teabaggins on Oct 8, 2019 23:41:59 GMT 1, Really not hard to get confirmation from Laz if it’s a sticking point. Asking the average self-important know it all Joe on the forum isn’t going to get you anywhere. Gallery is on the up and up. Not a huge disparity between an unsigned Banksy print with COA and an unsigned Tenner here with COA. Both COA’s come directly from people with equal affiliation with the artist when printed. 100,000 potentially printed (very generous estimate) but only 50 with any kind of legitimate COA? Seems pretty damn cool to me. I mean, I get it. Pretty much my exact reaction whenever your brain farts out any struggled attempt you may have at a coherent thought...
My post for for more for the grown ups.
Really not hard to get confirmation from Laz if it’s a sticking point. Asking the average self-important know it all Joe on the forum isn’t going to get you anywhere. Gallery is on the up and up. Not a huge disparity between an unsigned Banksy print with COA and an unsigned Tenner here with COA. Both COA’s come directly from people with equal affiliation with the artist when printed. 100,000 potentially printed (very generous estimate) but only 50 with any kind of legitimate COA? Seems pretty damn cool to me. I mean, I get it. Pretty much my exact reaction whenever your brain farts out any struggled attempt you may have at a coherent thought... My post for for more for the grown ups.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 0:20:10 GMT 1, I mean, I get it. Pretty much my exact reaction whenever your brain farts out any struggled attempt you may have at a coherent thought... My post for for more for the grown ups.
where is that beenie baby sales vid?
I mean, I get it. Pretty much my exact reaction whenever your brain farts out any struggled attempt you may have at a coherent thought... My post for for more for the grown ups. where is that beenie baby sales vid?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by teabaggins on Oct 9, 2019 2:55:24 GMT 1, I mean, I get it. Pretty much my exact reaction whenever your brain farts out any struggled attempt you may have at a coherent thought... My post for for more for the grown ups. where is that beenie baby sales vid? Im not sure what that means ... but at least it sounds like you found your way on to something more mentally appropriate All the best to you 👍
I mean, I get it. Pretty much my exact reaction whenever your brain farts out any struggled attempt you may have at a coherent thought... My post for for more for the grown ups. where is that beenie baby sales vid? Im not sure what that means ... but at least it sounds like you found your way on to something more mentally appropriate All the best to you 👍
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by cnrdvln on Oct 9, 2019 3:58:36 GMT 1, Obviously this sale might not make sense for the older collectors who may have picked these up easily enough back in the day, but for younger people or new collectors this is great and puts mind at ease against the fakes out there
Obviously this sale might not make sense for the older collectors who may have picked these up easily enough back in the day, but for younger people or new collectors this is great and puts mind at ease against the fakes out there
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Pjam on Oct 9, 2019 4:23:09 GMT 1, Definitely not here to start problems and I normally wouldn't say anything. It just always sucks to see that story pop up and not hear our side of it. In regards to the images, it looks like hes evolving and doing new things. Wish him and his team the greatest success.
Shang is a hack, c’mon
Definitely not here to start problems and I normally wouldn't say anything. It just always sucks to see that story pop up and not hear our side of it. In regards to the images, it looks like hes evolving and doing new things. Wish him and his team the greatest success. Shang is a hack, c’mon
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by sincebyman on Oct 9, 2019 4:37:08 GMT 1, Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho!
Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho!
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by WILLYBKLN on Oct 9, 2019 4:59:36 GMT 1, Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho! He's not printing these, he has a small allocation left from 2004 and that's it.
Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho! He's not printing these, he has a small allocation left from 2004 and that's it.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by tab1 on Oct 9, 2019 5:21:48 GMT 1, Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho! Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future ,
Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho! Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future ,
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bsharp on Oct 9, 2019 5:50:48 GMT 1, Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho! Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future ,
I mean, sure, but this is the first time in 15 years it’s happened. I’m not going to hold my breath on this being a regular thing. Kudos to BNG for putting it together for those that are interested.
Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho! Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future , I mean, sure, but this is the first time in 15 years it’s happened. I’m not going to hold my breath on this being a regular thing. Kudos to BNG for putting it together for those that are interested.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by tab1 on Oct 9, 2019 6:14:28 GMT 1, Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future , I mean, sure, but this is the first time in 15 years it’s happened. I’m not going to hold my breath on this being a regular thing. Kudos to BNG for putting it together for those that are interested. Couple of years ago unsigned prints were undesirable compared to signed prints ,now the gap is catching up and soon if markets stay as is , 5 years time ,cheapest unsigned print may be 20k+ , posters are already £1000-£5000.. these will be worthwhile dropping again on the market if no account of numbers in circulation. laz probably ploughed a lot of profit he made off banksy in his past business ventures and he never regained a similar artist to represent ,hence a lot of old stock which he is known to have will be drip fed onto the market around high auctions
Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future , I mean, sure, but this is the first time in 15 years it’s happened. I’m not going to hold my breath on this being a regular thing. Kudos to BNG for putting it together for those that are interested. Couple of years ago unsigned prints were undesirable compared to signed prints ,now the gap is catching up and soon if markets stay as is , 5 years time ,cheapest unsigned print may be 20k+ , posters are already £1000-£5000.. these will be worthwhile dropping again on the market if no account of numbers in circulation. laz probably ploughed a lot of profit he made off banksy in his past business ventures and he never regained a similar artist to represent ,hence a lot of old stock which he is known to have will be drip fed onto the market around high auctions
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 10:06:02 GMT 1, Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho! Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future , How? You think Banksy photocopied 100,000 of them? For anyone that has some knowledge on the history of the di-faced tenners, then they will know, that these were printed using various techniques that separate the fakes from the real ones, and if they came from Laz, then I am good with that irrespective to letter or not.
Counterfeiting money is never a good thing to do either.
Everyone knows bng is on the up and and up, but who’s to say laz ain’t printing these off? For the record, I like the letter of provenance, I just don’t trust laz... Good luck all tho! Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future , How? You think Banksy photocopied 100,000 of them? For anyone that has some knowledge on the history of the di-faced tenners, then they will know, that these were printed using various techniques that separate the fakes from the real ones, and if they came from Laz, then I am good with that irrespective to letter or not. Counterfeiting money is never a good thing to do either.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by FЯ on Oct 9, 2019 10:10:46 GMT 1, Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future , How? You think Banksy photocopied 100,000 of them? For anyone that has some knowledge on the history of the di-faced tenners, then they will know, that these were printed using various techniques that separate the fakes from the real ones, and if they came from Laz, then I am good with that irrespective to letter or not. Counterfeiting money is never a good thing to do either. They have boxes and boxes of these - its in exit through the gift shop. They dont usually sell them though as banksy was worried about people spending them.
Literally printing money with no official amount produced informed to the public , these can be released untold times in the future , How? You think Banksy photocopied 100,000 of them? For anyone that has some knowledge on the history of the di-faced tenners, then they will know, that these were printed using various techniques that separate the fakes from the real ones, and if they came from Laz, then I am good with that irrespective to letter or not. Counterfeiting money is never a good thing to do either. They have boxes and boxes of these - its in exit through the gift shop. They dont usually sell them though as banksy was worried about people spending them.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by J0NNY on Oct 9, 2019 10:29:27 GMT 1, They dont usually sell them though as banksy was worried about people spending them. Wouldn’t be worried about that anymore, would be the worst crime ever these days.
They dont usually sell them though as banksy was worried about people spending them. Wouldn’t be worried about that anymore, would be the worst crime ever these days.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by nolafan on Oct 9, 2019 13:15:53 GMT 1, BNG is top notch in my book. I purchased an unsigned Banksy a few years back from them. Care taken to ship flat was amazing. No issues with COA being transferred to my name. Definitely looking forward to this release from them.
BNG is top notch in my book. I purchased an unsigned Banksy a few years back from them. Care taken to ship flat was amazing. No issues with COA being transferred to my name. Definitely looking forward to this release from them.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by tab1 on Oct 9, 2019 19:18:52 GMT 1, The gallery is not an issue here , the product is ,seeing as a small batch from laz did they confirm how many left in his possession? as it would be in their best interests to know? otherwise potential unhappy customers IF in the future a lot more of these become available?
The gallery is not an issue here , the product is ,seeing as a small batch from laz did they confirm how many left in his possession? as it would be in their best interests to know? otherwise potential unhappy customers IF in the future a lot more of these become available?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by iamzero on Oct 9, 2019 19:20:14 GMT 1, I can’t see Laz telling anyone how many he has in his cupboard.
I can’t see Laz telling anyone how many he has in his cupboard.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Shoeless on Oct 9, 2019 19:35:35 GMT 1, I understand that point of view, but I don’t think it’s necessarily relevant here. Everyone knows, and has known, that there are loads of these out there. I don’t think anyone buying thinks it will be a numbered edition. Could Laz have 1000+ of these? Sure. Would he sign 1000+ COAs? Maybe. Has that ambiguity stopped the hype on the recent Soup Cans posters, or Petrol Bomb, or (now) Monkey Parliament? I don’t think so.
As others have said, some collectors that have always wanted a tenner but been hesitant to spend a few hundred on a possible fake will be happy with the prov in these.
I understand that point of view, but I don’t think it’s necessarily relevant here. Everyone knows, and has known, that there are loads of these out there. I don’t think anyone buying thinks it will be a numbered edition. Could Laz have 1000+ of these? Sure. Would he sign 1000+ COAs? Maybe. Has that ambiguity stopped the hype on the recent Soup Cans posters, or Petrol Bomb, or (now) Monkey Parliament? I don’t think so.
As others have said, some collectors that have always wanted a tenner but been hesitant to spend a few hundred on a possible fake will be happy with the prov in these.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by 19818914 on Oct 9, 2019 19:37:03 GMT 1, who gives a fuck. get your dick sucked.
who gives a fuck. get your dick sucked.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by kalm on Oct 10, 2019 0:11:47 GMT 1, $900 haha
Laz u fucking weasel
$900 haha
Laz u fucking weasel
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by tab1 on Oct 10, 2019 8:17:55 GMT 1, Relevant depending on initial costs ..banksy is now at a stage as viewed as an investment ..
Relevant depending on initial costs ..banksy is now at a stage as viewed as an investment ..
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bonesy on Oct 10, 2019 9:35:52 GMT 1, I ended up with a print outside of an edition (unsigned/unnumbered) that came from a bottleneck mystery tube. Artist said it was legit but had no knowledge of it and said it shouldn’t have been released. Also heard of them releasing a full run of a print an artist rejected and refused to sign. Has shaded their reputation a bit in my eyes. After we were left in the dust for a $1,500 print job and didn’t want to be a part of a second edition screwing over our customers, the artist had complete knowledge of the print being in our mystery tube as he was aware and ok’d the idea. Thankfully it worked out for him. The print got into many hands of his current fans and helped promote him with many saying it’s how they discovered him in the first place.
I only read up to this point of the thread.
But what about the most important factor, the integrity of the print run? I don’t care about your $1500 print job, or the artist being aware, or the artist getting some promotion. If you release an edition of 100 prints you should not have the liberty of releasing more of the edition later, end of story.
I ended up with a print outside of an edition (unsigned/unnumbered) that came from a bottleneck mystery tube. Artist said it was legit but had no knowledge of it and said it shouldn’t have been released. Also heard of them releasing a full run of a print an artist rejected and refused to sign. Has shaded their reputation a bit in my eyes. After we were left in the dust for a $1,500 print job and didn’t want to be a part of a second edition screwing over our customers, the artist had complete knowledge of the print being in our mystery tube as he was aware and ok’d the idea. Thankfully it worked out for him. The print got into many hands of his current fans and helped promote him with many saying it’s how they discovered him in the first place. I only read up to this point of the thread. But what about the most important factor, the integrity of the print run? I don’t care about your $1500 print job, or the artist being aware, or the artist getting some promotion. If you release an edition of 100 prints you should not have the liberty of releasing more of the edition later, end of story.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by stelio on Oct 10, 2019 11:35:00 GMT 1, After we were left in the dust for a $1,500 print job and didn’t want to be a part of a second edition screwing over our customers, the artist had complete knowledge of the print being in our mystery tube as he was aware and ok’d the idea. Thankfully it worked out for him. The print got into many hands of his current fans and helped promote him with many saying it’s how they discovered him in the first place. I only read up to this point of the thread. But what about the most important factor, the integrity of the print run? I don’t care about your $1500 print job, or the artist being aware, or the artist getting some promotion. If you release an edition of 100 prints you should not have the liberty of releasing more of the edition later, end of story.
Huh?
BNG didn’t release more later, Haven’t even worked with the said artist again. The artist himself chose to make another run and different size versions of the same image, not BNG. Shang has gone the Tim Doyle route on his own.
After we were left in the dust for a $1,500 print job and didn’t want to be a part of a second edition screwing over our customers, the artist had complete knowledge of the print being in our mystery tube as he was aware and ok’d the idea. Thankfully it worked out for him. The print got into many hands of his current fans and helped promote him with many saying it’s how they discovered him in the first place. I only read up to this point of the thread. But what about the most important factor, the integrity of the print run? I don’t care about your $1500 print job, or the artist being aware, or the artist getting some promotion. If you release an edition of 100 prints you should not have the liberty of releasing more of the edition later, end of story. Huh? BNG didn’t release more later, Haven’t even worked with the said artist again. The artist himself chose to make another run and different size versions of the same image, not BNG. Shang has gone the Tim Doyle route on his own.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bottlenecknyc on Oct 10, 2019 11:41:50 GMT 1, After we were left in the dust for a $1,500 print job and didn’t want to be a part of a second edition screwing over our customers, the artist had complete knowledge of the print being in our mystery tube as he was aware and ok’d the idea. Thankfully it worked out for him. The print got into many hands of his current fans and helped promote him with many saying it’s how they discovered him in the first place. I only read up to this point of the thread. But what about the most important factor, the integrity of the print run? I don’t care about your $1500 print job, or the artist being aware, or the artist getting some promotion. If you release an edition of 100 prints you should not have the liberty of releasing more of the edition later, end of story. yea have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. After it was all printed, nothing was printed after and thats never been an issue with anyone in that circle. Just a reminder, this was 3 years ago when those prints were printed by our printer.
Plus, there was no release by us so Im just confused by this statement. The artist did his own second "edition" with his team because ours technically wasn't one.
After we were left in the dust for a $1,500 print job and didn’t want to be a part of a second edition screwing over our customers, the artist had complete knowledge of the print being in our mystery tube as he was aware and ok’d the idea. Thankfully it worked out for him. The print got into many hands of his current fans and helped promote him with many saying it’s how they discovered him in the first place. I only read up to this point of the thread. But what about the most important factor, the integrity of the print run? I don’t care about your $1500 print job, or the artist being aware, or the artist getting some promotion. If you release an edition of 100 prints you should not have the liberty of releasing more of the edition later, end of story. yea have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. After it was all printed, nothing was printed after and thats never been an issue with anyone in that circle. Just a reminder, this was 3 years ago when those prints were printed by our printer. Plus, there was no release by us so Im just confused by this statement. The artist did his own second "edition" with his team because ours technically wasn't one.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bonesy on Oct 10, 2019 14:10:08 GMT 1, I only read up to this point of the thread. But what about the most important factor, the integrity of the print run? I don’t care about your $1500 print job, or the artist being aware, or the artist getting some promotion. If you release an edition of 100 prints you should not have the liberty of releasing more of the edition later, end of story. yea have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. After it was all printed, nothing was printed after and thats never been an issue with anyone in that circle. Just a reminder, this was 3 years ago when those prints were printed by our printer. Plus, there was no release by us so Im just confused by this statement. The artist did his own second "edition" with his team because ours technically wasn't one. I thought someone said they received an unnumbered print from outside of an edition in a Bottleneck mystery tube and I assumed this was an edition that Bottleneck had previously released. If that was the case then I stand by statement if not then I apologize for misinterpreting.
I only read up to this point of the thread. But what about the most important factor, the integrity of the print run? I don’t care about your $1500 print job, or the artist being aware, or the artist getting some promotion. If you release an edition of 100 prints you should not have the liberty of releasing more of the edition later, end of story. yea have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. After it was all printed, nothing was printed after and thats never been an issue with anyone in that circle. Just a reminder, this was 3 years ago when those prints were printed by our printer. Plus, there was no release by us so Im just confused by this statement. The artist did his own second "edition" with his team because ours technically wasn't one. I thought someone said they received an unnumbered print from outside of an edition in a Bottleneck mystery tube and I assumed this was an edition that Bottleneck had previously released. If that was the case then I stand by statement if not then I apologize for misinterpreting.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bottlenecknyc on Oct 10, 2019 14:37:03 GMT 1, yea have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. After it was all printed, nothing was printed after and thats never been an issue with anyone in that circle. Just a reminder, this was 3 years ago when those prints were printed by our printer. Plus, there was no release by us so Im just confused by this statement. The artist did his own second "edition" with his team because ours technically wasn't one. I thought someone said they received an unnumbered print from outside of an edition in a Bottleneck mystery tube and I assumed this was an edition that Bottleneck had previously released. If that was the case then I stand by statement if not then I apologize for misinterpreting.
Oh haha yea just like before it was miscommunication. Two different situations.
The one you’re referring too was a print that had been stuck to another print after was sprayed on. We just assumed it was good and didn’t see that it wasn’t numbered. That was definitely a mistake and our fault. Wasn’t rereleased or anything like that. The previous post also said he could see where it was stuck.
yea have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. After it was all printed, nothing was printed after and thats never been an issue with anyone in that circle. Just a reminder, this was 3 years ago when those prints were printed by our printer. Plus, there was no release by us so Im just confused by this statement. The artist did his own second "edition" with his team because ours technically wasn't one. I thought someone said they received an unnumbered print from outside of an edition in a Bottleneck mystery tube and I assumed this was an edition that Bottleneck had previously released. If that was the case then I stand by statement if not then I apologize for misinterpreting. Oh haha yea just like before it was miscommunication. Two different situations. The one you’re referring too was a print that had been stuck to another print after was sprayed on. We just assumed it was good and didn’t see that it wasn’t numbered. That was definitely a mistake and our fault. Wasn’t rereleased or anything like that. The previous post also said he could see where it was stuck.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by tab1 on Oct 10, 2019 15:23:23 GMT 1, The editioned sheets , are these from laz or banksy?
The editioned sheets , are these from laz or banksy?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Happy Shopper on Oct 10, 2019 15:28:17 GMT 1, The editioned sheets , are these from laz or banksy? Banksy / POW
The editioned sheets , are these from laz or banksy? Banksy / POW
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by teabaggins on Oct 10, 2019 15:49:23 GMT 1, The editioned sheets , are these from laz or banksy? Banksy / POW To be fair. Banksy / POW (Which included Laz at the time).
The editioned sheets , are these from laz or banksy? Banksy / POW To be fair. Banksy / POW (Which included Laz at the time).
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by jellya on Oct 10, 2019 21:32:00 GMT 1, Only tenner I've seen in the flesh is a half ripped one on my Trollies COA
I reckon because of the prov these are a good buy. Not many (if any) have come with prov afaik and there are way too many fakes around
Only tenner I've seen in the flesh is a half ripped one on my Trollies COA
I reckon because of the prov these are a good buy. Not many (if any) have come with prov afaik and there are way too many fakes around
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