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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bottlenecknyc on Mar 11, 2020 13:32:36 GMT 1, Trust me guys Im just here talking about the other side of it and what we were personally told. It helps to hear another side of it. I would be in the same boat but its definitely not as many as ppl think.
I imagine they have their own clientele list. I know two people who put it on Catawiki and sold them for around $3k.
Whenever we do sales, there is always a chance of ppl putting it on Ebay right away when they receive it. That definitely happened here. When we saw this at first we didn't understand because Ebay is technically the worst place to sell these. Your goal if it was to sell eventually would be to get it into a lot where other Banksy items are being sold and a place where they have a clientele list that would pay a higher price for it. Im imagining Andipa has that base.
Trust me guys Im just here talking about the other side of it and what we were personally told. It helps to hear another side of it. I would be in the same boat but its definitely not as many as ppl think.
I imagine they have their own clientele list. I know two people who put it on Catawiki and sold them for around $3k.
Whenever we do sales, there is always a chance of ppl putting it on Ebay right away when they receive it. That definitely happened here. When we saw this at first we didn't understand because Ebay is technically the worst place to sell these. Your goal if it was to sell eventually would be to get it into a lot where other Banksy items are being sold and a place where they have a clientele list that would pay a higher price for it. Im imagining Andipa has that base.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 11, 2020 13:38:53 GMT 1, Trust me guys Im just here talking about the other side of it and what we were personally told. It helps to hear another side of it. I would be in the same boat but its definitely not as many as ppl think. I imagine they have their own clientele list. I know two people who put it on Catawiki and sold them for around $3k. Whenever we do sales, there is always a chance of ppl putting it on Ebay right away when they receive it. Thats definitely happened here. When we saw this at first we didn't understand because Ebay is technically the worst place to sell these. Your goal if it was to sell eventually would be to get it into a lot where other Banksy items are being sold and a place where they have a clientele list that would pay a higher price for it. Im imagining Andipa has that base.
Hats off to you! Your honest posts and replies here are commendable. Some lesser gallerist might have lost there patients here by now and told everyone to fu@k off.
Trust me guys Im just here talking about the other side of it and what we were personally told. It helps to hear another side of it. I would be in the same boat but its definitely not as many as ppl think. I imagine they have their own clientele list. I know two people who put it on Catawiki and sold them for around $3k. Whenever we do sales, there is always a chance of ppl putting it on Ebay right away when they receive it. Thats definitely happened here. When we saw this at first we didn't understand because Ebay is technically the worst place to sell these. Your goal if it was to sell eventually would be to get it into a lot where other Banksy items are being sold and a place where they have a clientele list that would pay a higher price for it. Im imagining Andipa has that base. Hats off to you! Your honest posts and replies here are commendable. Some lesser gallerist might have lost there patients here by now and told everyone to fu@k off.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bottlenecknyc on Mar 11, 2020 13:43:38 GMT 1, Trust me guys Im just here talking about the other side of it and what we were personally told. It helps to hear another side of it. I would be in the same boat but its definitely not as many as ppl think. I imagine they have their own clientele list. I know two people who put it on Catawiki and sold them for around $3k. Whenever we do sales, there is always a chance of ppl putting it on Ebay right away when they receive it. Thats definitely happened here. When we saw this at first we didn't understand because Ebay is technically the worst place to sell these. Your goal if it was to sell eventually would be to get it into a lot where other Banksy items are being sold and a place where they have a clientele list that would pay a higher price for it. Im imagining Andipa has that base. Hats off to you! Your honest posts and replies here are commendable. Some lesser gallerist might have lost there patients here by now and told everyone to fu@k off. haha i think there are definitely times I probably should stop talking. I don't usually come on here to post. Just more lurk then anything. I'm more vocal on EB and FB. However, when I do see negative confusion I would like to give another side to it. Thats not what we are about.
I do feel that a majority do appreciate the honesty. There are people that are definitely not use to it. The people that have supported us for 8 years know that everything we do is done with good intentions.
I do talk to ppl like they're humans and I'm not trying to selling anything thats up to you guys to buy. Denzil actually posted our blog so thank you to Denzil for that promotion. Even though its tough to respond to him while looking at the avatar.
Trust me guys Im just here talking about the other side of it and what we were personally told. It helps to hear another side of it. I would be in the same boat but its definitely not as many as ppl think. I imagine they have their own clientele list. I know two people who put it on Catawiki and sold them for around $3k. Whenever we do sales, there is always a chance of ppl putting it on Ebay right away when they receive it. Thats definitely happened here. When we saw this at first we didn't understand because Ebay is technically the worst place to sell these. Your goal if it was to sell eventually would be to get it into a lot where other Banksy items are being sold and a place where they have a clientele list that would pay a higher price for it. Im imagining Andipa has that base. Hats off to you! Your honest posts and replies here are commendable. Some lesser gallerist might have lost there patients here by now and told everyone to fu@k off. haha i think there are definitely times I probably should stop talking. I don't usually come on here to post. Just more lurk then anything. I'm more vocal on EB and FB. However, when I do see negative confusion I would like to give another side to it. Thats not what we are about. I do feel that a majority do appreciate the honesty. There are people that are definitely not use to it. The people that have supported us for 8 years know that everything we do is done with good intentions. I do talk to ppl like they're humans and I'm not trying to selling anything thats up to you guys to buy. Denzil actually posted our blog so thank you to Denzil for that promotion. Even though its tough to respond to him while looking at the avatar.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by denzil on Mar 11, 2020 13:44:28 GMT 1, well now your been fucked over by Steve put yours on ebay auction' and and throw the dice 'you may come up trumps
well now your been fucked over by Steve put yours on ebay auction' and and throw the dice 'you may come up trumps
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bottlenecknyc on Mar 11, 2020 13:47:11 GMT 1, well now your been fucked over by Steve put yours on ebay auction' and and throw the dice 'you may come up trumps Your avatar is killing me lol
Actually we weren't. We knew going into the first one that others had it. Now we have a little more still knowing that others had it. I personally would not put it on ebay. To be honest, we don't have to do this and can just submit to auction houses but thats not fun to us.
well now your been fucked over by Steve put yours on ebay auction' and and throw the dice 'you may come up trumps Your avatar is killing me lol Actually we weren't. We knew going into the first one that others had it. Now we have a little more still knowing that others had it. I personally would not put it on ebay. To be honest, we don't have to do this and can just submit to auction houses but thats not fun to us.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by iamzero on Mar 11, 2020 13:49:03 GMT 1, How many have been torn in half for pest control and how many handed out as gifts from Laz over the years like I got mine? There’s a other few thousand gone.
How many have been torn in half for pest control and how many handed out as gifts from Laz over the years like I got mine? There’s a other few thousand gone.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 11, 2020 13:53:42 GMT 1, How many have been torn in half for pest control and how many handed out as gifts from Laz over the years like I got mine? There’s a other few thousand gone.
I still have two framed up and love em, although the other half likes to hide them away every now and again😕 Pest Control are probably running out which is maybe why they are changing the Coa's now. Or they realise that every COA is potentially costing them £1.5k 🤣
How many have been torn in half for pest control and how many handed out as gifts from Laz over the years like I got mine? There’s a other few thousand gone. I still have two framed up and love em, although the other half likes to hide them away every now and again😕 Pest Control are probably running out which is maybe why they are changing the Coa's now. Or they realise that every COA is potentially costing them £1.5k 🤣
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bottlenecknyc on Mar 11, 2020 14:00:34 GMT 1, How many have been torn in half for pest control and how many handed out as gifts from Laz over the years like I got mine? There’s a other few thousand gone. I still have two framed up and love em, although the other half likes to hide them away every now and again😕 Pest Control are probably running out which is maybe why they are changing the Coa's now. Or they realise that every COA is potentially costing them £1.5k 🤣 Same. I have two prior ones in the money holders.
How many have been torn in half for pest control and how many handed out as gifts from Laz over the years like I got mine? There’s a other few thousand gone. I still have two framed up and love em, although the other half likes to hide them away every now and again😕 Pest Control are probably running out which is maybe why they are changing the Coa's now. Or they realise that every COA is potentially costing them £1.5k 🤣 Same. I have two prior ones in the money holders.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by craigthemole on Mar 11, 2020 14:06:37 GMT 1, bottlenecknyc is there any reason the single frames are a tighter frame compared to the double note frame? I quite like the look of seeing the entire note with space around, which you get with the double.
bottlenecknyc is there any reason the single frames are a tighter frame compared to the double note frame? I quite like the look of seeing the entire note with space around, which you get with the double.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by irl1 on Mar 11, 2020 14:10:38 GMT 1, well now your been fucked over by Steve put yours on ebay auction' and and throw the dice 'you may come up trumps Your avatar is killing me lol Actually we weren't. We knew going into the first one that others had it. Now we have a little more still knowing that others had it. I personally would not put it on ebay. To be honest, we don't have to do this and can just submit to auction houses but thats not fun to us. Yeh bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
I would do the online sale and not the auction. You wait for a month to be paid after the auction only to be told the buyer never paid.
The catawiki ones were the last lot you sold framed. The buyers put them straight up and sold for around 3,000 euro each.
I seen a tenner go in Heritage for $5,750 including fees with no provenance in 2017. They also sold a batch of ten with a letter from Laz for over $6,000 including fees in 2018. Now how can anyone work out a value from those two results in the same auction house.
You are right the price on these is all over the place
well now your been fucked over by Steve put yours on ebay auction' and and throw the dice 'you may come up trumps Your avatar is killing me lol Actually we weren't. We knew going into the first one that others had it. Now we have a little more still knowing that others had it. I personally would not put it on ebay. To be honest, we don't have to do this and can just submit to auction houses but thats not fun to us. Yeh bird in the hand is worth two in the bush I would do the online sale and not the auction. You wait for a month to be paid after the auction only to be told the buyer never paid. The catawiki ones were the last lot you sold framed. The buyers put them straight up and sold for around 3,000 euro each. I seen a tenner go in Heritage for $5,750 including fees with no provenance in 2017. They also sold a batch of ten with a letter from Laz for over $6,000 including fees in 2018. Now how can anyone work out a value from those two results in the same auction house. You are right the price on these is all over the place
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by denzil on Mar 11, 2020 14:39:04 GMT 1, how are we sure he hasn't conned more newbies ? I guess that's my issue. Ignorant p*ick. was only trying to help you 'don't be so mean
how are we sure he hasn't conned more newbies ? I guess that's my issue. Ignorant p*ick. was only trying to help you 'don't be so mean
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by WILLYBKLN on Mar 11, 2020 14:40:03 GMT 1, bottlenecknyc is there any reason the single frames are a tighter frame compared to the double note frame? I quite like the look of seeing the entire note with space around, which you get with the double. Cant float frame something with acrylic on both ends unfortunately.
bottlenecknyc is there any reason the single frames are a tighter frame compared to the double note frame? I quite like the look of seeing the entire note with space around, which you get with the double. Cant float frame something with acrylic on both ends unfortunately.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by craigthemole on Mar 11, 2020 14:55:01 GMT 1, bottlenecknyc is there any reason the single frames are a tighter frame compared to the double note frame? I quite like the look of seeing the entire note with space around, which you get with the double. Cant float frame something with acrylic on both ends unfortunately.
Ahhh of course. My head isn't in gear today. Cheers.
bottlenecknyc is there any reason the single frames are a tighter frame compared to the double note frame? I quite like the look of seeing the entire note with space around, which you get with the double. Cant float frame something with acrylic on both ends unfortunately. Ahhh of course. My head isn't in gear today. Cheers.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 19:46:27 GMT 1, I think your initial batch were a fair price to a collector for a framed genuine tenner with provenance. Andipa charging £1500 for an unframed tenner is insane in my view though. Agreed. It makes you dislike Banksy art, not him personally, but when you see the sellers of his unreleased works, like these tenners that were sitting in a box, from people he has influence over, price gouging fans and taking away from what the artist stands for, the irony takes away from wanting to own his pieces. If Banksy really stands for the people, he should cock slap these greedy lil. Ass clown bitches and force them to sell it via lottery to ALL PEOPLE. Even my sons kid show gets that, what’s it called, Moana or something. What happens on the secondhand market should stay on the secondhand market. But this is supposedly undistributed. So fuuuuk these greedy bastards and the horse they rode in on!
How is he going to 'force' Laz to do anything?
Beat him up?
I think your initial batch were a fair price to a collector for a framed genuine tenner with provenance. Andipa charging £1500 for an unframed tenner is insane in my view though. Agreed. It makes you dislike Banksy art, not him personally, but when you see the sellers of his unreleased works, like these tenners that were sitting in a box, from people he has influence over, price gouging fans and taking away from what the artist stands for, the irony takes away from wanting to own his pieces. If Banksy really stands for the people, he should cock slap these greedy lil. Ass clown bitches and force them to sell it via lottery to ALL PEOPLE. Even my sons kid show gets that, what’s it called, Moana or something. What happens on the secondhand market should stay on the secondhand market. But this is supposedly undistributed. So fuuuuk these greedy bastards and the horse they rode in on! How is he going to 'force' Laz to do anything? Beat him up?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by iamzero on Mar 11, 2020 20:20:41 GMT 1, I think the simplest way of looking at this is to pretend you’re a businessman with a huge box of £1000 notes... how much should you sell them for to people you don’t know that potentially want to sell them on for a future profit?
I think the simplest way of looking at this is to pretend you’re a businessman with a huge box of £1000 notes... how much should you sell them for to people you don’t know that potentially want to sell them on for a future profit?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Pappy Van Sprinkle on Mar 11, 2020 21:39:25 GMT 1, I don't see a problem up until the point where Andipa decided to charge $600 more than the OG BNG release. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think Laz could have made the biggest profit (so far - who knows how far this will go), and I think BNG set a fair price at the first release for people like me who wanted to get a tenner without worrying about framing it or authenticity. I think people should be happy there are tenners with provenance popping up. Apparently this generated enough of a market/hype to crank the prices up each release, and it looks like Andipa took advantage, but I don't think that reflects poorly on BNG.
Regardless, I'm enjoying my BNG tenner...but this double framed version has me wishing...
I don't see a problem up until the point where Andipa decided to charge $600 more than the OG BNG release. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think Laz could have made the biggest profit (so far - who knows how far this will go), and I think BNG set a fair price at the first release for people like me who wanted to get a tenner without worrying about framing it or authenticity. I think people should be happy there are tenners with provenance popping up. Apparently this generated enough of a market/hype to crank the prices up each release, and it looks like Andipa took advantage, but I don't think that reflects poorly on BNG.
Regardless, I'm enjoying my BNG tenner...but this double framed version has me wishing...
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by forcedtojoin on Mar 11, 2020 22:19:22 GMT 1, The double tenner is stellar.
The double tenner is stellar.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 13:44:56 GMT 1, Really wish they'd offered the double tenner originally, framing looks terrific on that.
Really wish they'd offered the double tenner originally, framing looks terrific on that.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by avec art on Mar 12, 2020 17:20:05 GMT 1, I've found responses from bottlenecknyc gallery helpful and I have a question with regards to something they said, BNG mentioned the hologram, but also a 'seal'. Is someone from BNG able to elaborate at all on the 'seal', as it's not something I was aware of. Thanks
I've found responses from bottlenecknyc gallery helpful and I have a question with regards to something they said, BNG mentioned the hologram, but also a 'seal'. Is someone from BNG able to elaborate at all on the 'seal', as it's not something I was aware of. Thanks
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by ajr on Mar 12, 2020 18:49:32 GMT 1, I've found responses from bottlenecknyc gallery helpful and I have a question with regards to something they said, BNG mentioned the hologram, but also a 'seal'. Is someone from BNG able to elaborate at all on the 'seal', as it's not something I was aware of. Thanks Maybe its the seal at the back of the frame. Hard to remove.
I've found responses from bottlenecknyc gallery helpful and I have a question with regards to something they said, BNG mentioned the hologram, but also a 'seal'. Is someone from BNG able to elaborate at all on the 'seal', as it's not something I was aware of. Thanks Maybe its the seal at the back of the frame. Hard to remove.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by avec art on Mar 12, 2020 20:47:24 GMT 1, if the sticker is the seal at the back of the frame, then you wouldn't need to remove the seal. You just open up the glass and switch swap .. and Bobs your uncle.
if the sticker is the seal at the back of the frame, then you wouldn't need to remove the seal. You just open up the glass and switch swap .. and Bobs your uncle.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by LJCal on Mar 12, 2020 22:04:17 GMT 1, This is the last batch we promise, there’ll be no more. Steve doesn’t have another 10,000 of these stashed in a cupboard we swear.
This is the last batch we promise, there’ll be no more. Steve doesn’t have another 10,000 of these stashed in a cupboard we swear.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by ajr on Mar 12, 2020 22:07:18 GMT 1, if the sticker is the seal at the back of the frame, then you wouldn't need to remove the seal. You just open up the glass and switch swap .. and Bobs your uncle. Hope this helps. Picture of the back of mine. By seal I assume they mean the white tape used at the back to seal the frame. You would need to tear or cut it out to get to open the frame and remove the tenner. Therefore anyone selling one with a tampered seal would be seen as suspicious.
if the sticker is the seal at the back of the frame, then you wouldn't need to remove the seal. You just open up the glass and switch swap .. and Bobs your uncle. Hope this helps. Picture of the back of mine. By seal I assume they mean the white tape used at the back to seal the frame. You would need to tear or cut it out to get to open the frame and remove the tenner. Therefore anyone selling one with a tampered seal would be seen as suspicious.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by avec art on Mar 12, 2020 22:11:12 GMT 1, white sellotape is the seal !?! .. umm ... perhaps just peel it off, and re-stick a new one have you considered that? Or is that too advanced for an ordinary person to do, let alone a qualified scammer
white sellotape is the seal !?! .. umm ... perhaps just peel it off, and re-stick a new one have you considered that? Or is that too advanced for an ordinary person to do, let alone a qualified scammer
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by ajr on Mar 12, 2020 22:23:28 GMT 1, Or you just buy more tape? There is a way to tell if a tenner is real, hologram, certificate make no difference if you can't see the rosettes
Exactly. Nothing will be tamper proof other than a close up inspection of the tenner! But I think they did a decent attempt. Much better than Andipa offering
Or you just buy more tape? There is a way to tell if a tenner is real, hologram, certificate make no difference if you can't see the rosettes Exactly. Nothing will be tamper proof other than a close up inspection of the tenner! But I think they did a decent attempt. Much better than Andipa offering
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by avec art on Mar 12, 2020 22:35:19 GMT 1, I agree with you, I quite like it, but I just wanted to get to the bottom of this seal business, as that was the first time I heard it mentioned. It wouldn't be hard for me to change, I do my own framing so deal with this sort of sealed backing all the time.
I was hoping the seal was something more substantial which actually held the two pieces of glass together. They can do it for supermarket products so thought it could be achieved, but I don't expect it would be at all easy. Also you'd only see it once it was unframed so is not at all practical. Tough problem, but I bet if a gallery cracked it, those notes would be more collectable as a result.
I agree with you, I quite like it, but I just wanted to get to the bottom of this seal business, as that was the first time I heard it mentioned. It wouldn't be hard for me to change, I do my own framing so deal with this sort of sealed backing all the time.
I was hoping the seal was something more substantial which actually held the two pieces of glass together. They can do it for supermarket products so thought it could be achieved, but I don't expect it would be at all easy. Also you'd only see it once it was unframed so is not at all practical. Tough problem, but I bet if a gallery cracked it, those notes would be more collectable as a result.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by Harveyn on Mar 12, 2020 22:45:09 GMT 1, white sellotape is the seal !?! .. umm ... perhaps just peel it off, and re-stick a new one have you considered that? Or is that too advanced for an ordinary person to do, let alone a qualified scammer Not sure what the point would be. So the scammer replaces the real one with a fake and sells the framed fake with all the paperwork. They are then left with the real one that is worthless as they have no provenance of its legitimacy.
white sellotape is the seal !?! .. umm ... perhaps just peel it off, and re-stick a new one have you considered that? Or is that too advanced for an ordinary person to do, let alone a qualified scammer Not sure what the point would be. So the scammer replaces the real one with a fake and sells the framed fake with all the paperwork. They are then left with the real one that is worthless as they have no provenance of its legitimacy.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by avec art on Mar 12, 2020 23:15:13 GMT 1, I mentioned that on page 2 of this thread. I just wanted to know what the seal was.
I mentioned that on page 2 of this thread. I just wanted to know what the seal was.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by bottlenecknyc on Mar 12, 2020 23:44:57 GMT 1, white sellotape is the seal !?! .. umm ... perhaps just peel it off, and re-stick a new one have you considered that? Or is that too advanced for an ordinary person to do, let alone a qualified scammer Sorry I didn't see this.
If you try pulling it off you'd ruin the frame. And even if you were careful and did some sort of switch, it wouldn't make much sense. If you did pull it off and put a fake in there and remove the real one, you'd only have one signed in pen coa. And if you were stuck with the real one out of the frame, people might not trust it.
white sellotape is the seal !?! .. umm ... perhaps just peel it off, and re-stick a new one have you considered that? Or is that too advanced for an ordinary person to do, let alone a qualified scammer Sorry I didn't see this. If you try pulling it off you'd ruin the frame. And even if you were careful and did some sort of switch, it wouldn't make much sense. If you did pull it off and put a fake in there and remove the real one, you'd only have one signed in pen coa. And if you were stuck with the real one out of the frame, people might not trust it.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by avec art on Mar 13, 2020 0:09:37 GMT 1, I take your point, and made it myself. But not everyone would consider owning a genuine Di-Faced tenner as being stuck with one.
It's not nice to have to think that way, but you have to be realistic.
I take your point, and made it myself. But not everyone would consider owning a genuine Di-Faced tenner as being stuck with one.
It's not nice to have to think that way, but you have to be realistic.
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