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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 8, 2015 12:50:53 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 8, 2015 13:04:54 GMT 1, 
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t3c
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by t3c on Jan 8, 2015 13:07:54 GMT 1, Pure Evil and his little girl did something this morning, it's a heart warming thing to see when something so terrible & senseless brings out creativity to try & counteract the all negative vibes surrounding this awful situation, thanks for posting these Shootagain
Pure Evil and his little girl did something this morning, it's a heart warming thing to see when something so terrible & senseless brings out creativity to try & counteract the all negative vibes surrounding this awful situation, thanks for posting these Shootagain
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:39:55 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 8, 2015 15:51:28 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 8, 2015 15:51:47 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 8, 2015 15:52:56 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by eschiff on Jan 8, 2015 15:59:12 GMT 1, #JeSuisAhmed is much, much more profound. Ahmed was the police officer who was killed on the pavement near the magazine's office. He was of course Muslim - a Muslim who died trying to protect the staff of a magazine that revelled in insulting his religion. Charlie is no hero. Ahmed was.
#JeSuisAhmed is much, much more profound. Ahmed was the police officer who was killed on the pavement near the magazine's office. He was of course Muslim - a Muslim who died trying to protect the staff of a magazine that revelled in insulting his religion. Charlie is no hero. Ahmed was.
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 8, 2015 16:09:35 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 8, 2015 16:38:46 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by bullysonzx10r on Jan 8, 2015 17:39:22 GMT 1, I'm heartbroken over this entire situation. However It makes me smile to see such powerful art coming from it. The whole "Diamonds are formed from coal through extreme pressure." theory looks to be well at work here.
#JeSuisCharlie
I'm heartbroken over this entire situation. However It makes me smile to see such powerful art coming from it. The whole "Diamonds are formed from coal through extreme pressure." theory looks to be well at work here.
#JeSuisCharlie
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 8, 2015 18:00:44 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by bone on Jan 9, 2015 4:13:14 GMT 1, This is clearly a problem linked to Islam, not sure how this incident is not 100% an Islamic problem. Making excuses for any group of murders is wrong and disrecptful. Bone, this is a religious problem in general. ABSOLUTELY NOT LINKED TO ONE RELIGION. Spend some time in the bible belt of the US and tell me that Christians do not have the same potential to kill in the name of their lord as Muslims. Remember Hitler. Please if you want to continue to be ignorant and blame Islam feel free. However I believe it is more disrespectful to have a gut reaction as you are having right now, and not having the intelligence or patience to examine history nor the courage and stamina to address the real problem. I am not making excuses, I simply refuse to condemn an entire populace for the actions of some, when the history of my country and it's dominant religion is also painted with the blood of fanatics, both religious and not.
This is clearly a problem linked to Islam, not sure how this incident is not 100% an Islamic problem. Making excuses for any group of murders is wrong and disrecptful. Bone, this is a religious problem in general. ABSOLUTELY NOT LINKED TO ONE RELIGION. Spend some time in the bible belt of the US and tell me that Christians do not have the same potential to kill in the name of their lord as Muslims. Remember Hitler. Please if you want to continue to be ignorant and blame Islam feel free. However I believe it is more disrespectful to have a gut reaction as you are having right now, and not having the intelligence or patience to examine history nor the courage and stamina to address the real problem. I am not making excuses, I simply refuse to condemn an entire populace for the actions of some, when the history of my country and it's dominant religion is also painted with the blood of fanatics, both religious and not. I have spent lots of time in the bible belt, I'm from the US. Although there are whack jobs that live in the bible belt, there threat is nothing compared to what is faced by terrorist organizations that kill in the name of Allah all across the world. If you think for one second that any current threat from Christians living in the bible belt is a fraction of the threat from fanatic Muslims you are wrong. I'm not having a gut reaction, look at the amount of issues around the globe at this time that involve radical Islam . I'm not painting an entire religion as good or bad, but you can't deny the fact that they have a proportionally higher percentage of murderous pain in the ass rage then any other religion at the moment. Bringing up Hitler has nothing to do with what is going on at the moment and look at how the world turned on him. |
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by sgolby on Jan 9, 2015 9:19:09 GMT 1, Bone, this is a religious problem in general. ABSOLUTELY NOT LINKED TO ONE RELIGION. Spend some time in the bible belt of the US and tell me that Christians do not have the same potential to kill in the name of their lord as Muslims. Remember Hitler. Please if you want to continue to be ignorant and blame Islam feel free. However I believe it is more disrespectful to have a gut reaction as you are having right now, and not having the intelligence or patience to examine history nor the courage and stamina to address the real problem. I am not making excuses, I simply refuse to condemn an entire populace for the actions of some, when the history of my country and it's dominant religion is also painted with the blood of fanatics, both religious and not. I have spent lots of time in the bible belt, I'm from the US. Although there are whack jobs that live in the bible belt, there threat is nothing compared to what is faced by terrorist organizations that kill in the name of Allah all across the world. If you think for one second that any current threat from Christians living in the bible belt is a fraction of the threat from fanatic Muslims you are wrong. I'm not having a gut reaction, look at the amount of issues around the globe at this time that involve radical Islam . I'm not painting an entire religion as good or bad, but you can't deny the fact that they have a proportionally higher percentage of murderous pain in the ass rage then any other religion at the moment. Bringing up Hitler has nothing to do with what is going on at the moment and look at how the world turned on him.
Bone, please do not confuse me saying potential to kill with live threat. This is a terribly complex issue which i have been wrestling with since before september 12th. What i am trying to ge at is that if you see this as a "muslim" problem you miss the point.
The fact is religion requires you to subscribe to a set of rules. When these rules or laws exist in a vacuum they can be twisted to brainwash people into believing that the word of god is to kill in the name of god. The crusades for example were exactly this.
Further, when you say it is a muslim problem you risk further missing the point that there are myriad political and socio-economic issues which lead to radicalization. Many of these problems were caused by the west as we sought to install strongmen in order to maintain "stability," for our own economic gain, and we turned a blind eye until their people came and attacked us for what they percieved was our role in their plight.
Does islam have a higher proportion of violent radicals? Yes. However is it BECAUSE of islam? Certainly not. It is because of the proliferation of radical eeligious leaders brainwashing youth. The lack of other or systems of education. The lack of economic persecution. The lack of anything good in this life which leads them to seek the next. The list goes on and on.
Hitler sought to erradicate everyone who didn't fall in line with his worldview. The rise of naziism is 100% a valid study. Not jist in the way youth can be radicalized but how polarions of otherwise moderate people can be silenced when faced with atrocities from within. My point is, it is not islam, it is people.
Bone, this is a religious problem in general. ABSOLUTELY NOT LINKED TO ONE RELIGION. Spend some time in the bible belt of the US and tell me that Christians do not have the same potential to kill in the name of their lord as Muslims. Remember Hitler. Please if you want to continue to be ignorant and blame Islam feel free. However I believe it is more disrespectful to have a gut reaction as you are having right now, and not having the intelligence or patience to examine history nor the courage and stamina to address the real problem. I am not making excuses, I simply refuse to condemn an entire populace for the actions of some, when the history of my country and it's dominant religion is also painted with the blood of fanatics, both religious and not. I have spent lots of time in the bible belt, I'm from the US. Although there are whack jobs that live in the bible belt, there threat is nothing compared to what is faced by terrorist organizations that kill in the name of Allah all across the world. If you think for one second that any current threat from Christians living in the bible belt is a fraction of the threat from fanatic Muslims you are wrong. I'm not having a gut reaction, look at the amount of issues around the globe at this time that involve radical Islam . I'm not painting an entire religion as good or bad, but you can't deny the fact that they have a proportionally higher percentage of murderous pain in the ass rage then any other religion at the moment. Bringing up Hitler has nothing to do with what is going on at the moment and look at how the world turned on him. Bone, please do not confuse me saying potential to kill with live threat. This is a terribly complex issue which i have been wrestling with since before september 12th. What i am trying to ge at is that if you see this as a "muslim" problem you miss the point. The fact is religion requires you to subscribe to a set of rules. When these rules or laws exist in a vacuum they can be twisted to brainwash people into believing that the word of god is to kill in the name of god. The crusades for example were exactly this. Further, when you say it is a muslim problem you risk further missing the point that there are myriad political and socio-economic issues which lead to radicalization. Many of these problems were caused by the west as we sought to install strongmen in order to maintain "stability," for our own economic gain, and we turned a blind eye until their people came and attacked us for what they percieved was our role in their plight. Does islam have a higher proportion of violent radicals? Yes. However is it BECAUSE of islam? Certainly not. It is because of the proliferation of radical eeligious leaders brainwashing youth. The lack of other or systems of education. The lack of economic persecution. The lack of anything good in this life which leads them to seek the next. The list goes on and on. Hitler sought to erradicate everyone who didn't fall in line with his worldview. The rise of naziism is 100% a valid study. Not jist in the way youth can be radicalized but how polarions of otherwise moderate people can be silenced when faced with atrocities from within. My point is, it is not islam, it is people. |
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by misterx on Jan 9, 2015 9:35:05 GMT 1, As I read somewhere today, these gunmen are to Islam what the Klu Klux Klan are to Christianity.
Whilst its not going to be popular here, I will say this:
Until Western governments stop killing Muslim civilians in their own countries, these despicable acts will
continue to be exported around the world. We have invaded, occupied, bombed and reduced certain parts of
the Middle East to smoking ruins...bombed back to the Stone Age and ruined countless families along the way.
This should come as little surprise, as terrible as it is.
As I read somewhere today, these gunmen are to Islam what the Klu Klux Klan are to Christianity.
Whilst its not going to be popular here, I will say this:
Until Western governments stop killing Muslim civilians in their own countries, these despicable acts will
continue to be exported around the world. We have invaded, occupied, bombed and reduced certain parts of
the Middle East to smoking ruins...bombed back to the Stone Age and ruined countless families along the way.
This should come as little surprise, as terrible as it is.
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by balibob on Jan 9, 2015 10:45:58 GMT 1, I think that the people that are killing most Muslim civilians in their own countries just happen to be Muslims as well.
I think that the people that are killing most Muslim civilians in their own countries just happen to be Muslims as well.
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jan 9, 2015 11:44:08 GMT 1, Im moving the family to Tasmania, safe there, these extremists are crazy 
Im moving the family to Tasmania, safe there, these extremists are crazy |
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 11:57:08 GMT 1, disenfranchised , disillusioned, emotionally destitute, directionless - a few D words that dscribe this pair.
a few good posts on this forum from french members who have a perspective on the background. Its not all La haine out there, but not far off sometimes. France has an unconfortable relationship with a significant amout of its population. lots of history, lots of issues
www.english.rfi.fr/visiting-france/20101202-1961-algerians-massacred-paris-streets
200 Algerian dead, and this is within living memory for some on this board ( not me blates)
sad times for everyone involved
disenfranchised , disillusioned, emotionally destitute, directionless - a few D words that dscribe this pair. a few good posts on this forum from french members who have a perspective on the background. Its not all La haine out there, but not far off sometimes. France has an unconfortable relationship with a significant amout of its population. lots of history, lots of issues www.english.rfi.fr/visiting-france/20101202-1961-algerians-massacred-paris-streets200 Algerian dead, and this is within living memory for some on this board ( not me blates) sad times for everyone involved |
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 13:46:18 GMT 1, #JeSuisAhmed
A Muslim who gave his life to protect Charlie Hebdo's right to ridicule his religion. Respect.
An interesting perspective : www.filmsforaction.org/articles/charlie-hebdo-this-attack-was-nothing-to-do-with-free-speech-it-was-about-war/
From films for action : This article has been generating some controversy in the comments, but the main point of this article does not seem that controversial. The author is highlighting how war and racism within our culture contributes to the creation of extremists in all forms. And if we desire an end to this horrific cycle of violence, we need to start doing something differently, because the 'war on terror' that Bush and Blair brought us over the last decade is not ending extremism. It is in fact increasing it.
Throwing oil on the fire, in the form of offensive cultural media that targets people who are already under siege from multiple Western wars, drone strikes, torture, cultural discrimination and demonization, is certainly not helping dispel the perception that the West is at war with Islam and Muslim people. Certainly an offensive cartoon is never an excuse to commit violent crimes, and the author, like us, sees this as a self-evident truth.
But if we want to understand this horrible attack in France in it's larger context, and if we desire an end to violent extremism in all forms, we need to think deeply about what is really driving the creation of extremism. In our view, drone strikes, torture, and war are all forms of extremism that perpetuate extremism, yet our government's extremism is rationalized and justified.
Our conflicts will never end if we continue to see this way.
#JeSuisAhmed A Muslim who gave his life to protect Charlie Hebdo's right to ridicule his religion. Respect. An interesting perspective : www.filmsforaction.org/articles/charlie-hebdo-this-attack-was-nothing-to-do-with-free-speech-it-was-about-war/From films for action : This article has been generating some controversy in the comments, but the main point of this article does not seem that controversial. The author is highlighting how war and racism within our culture contributes to the creation of extremists in all forms. And if we desire an end to this horrific cycle of violence, we need to start doing something differently, because the 'war on terror' that Bush and Blair brought us over the last decade is not ending extremism. It is in fact increasing it. Throwing oil on the fire, in the form of offensive cultural media that targets people who are already under siege from multiple Western wars, drone strikes, torture, cultural discrimination and demonization, is certainly not helping dispel the perception that the West is at war with Islam and Muslim people. Certainly an offensive cartoon is never an excuse to commit violent crimes, and the author, like us, sees this as a self-evident truth. But if we want to understand this horrible attack in France in it's larger context, and if we desire an end to violent extremism in all forms, we need to think deeply about what is really driving the creation of extremism. In our view, drone strikes, torture, and war are all forms of extremism that perpetuate extremism, yet our government's extremism is rationalized and justified. Our conflicts will never end if we continue to see this way. |
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 15:50:19 GMT 1, There is a saying.
Don't encourage fanatics and idiots and some politicians and governments and so called spokes people who get air time have done just that.
The problem starts at the top and runs down.
There is a saying.
Don't encourage fanatics and idiots and some politicians and governments and so called spokes people who get air time have done just that.
The problem starts at the top and runs down.
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Lroy on Jan 9, 2015 18:10:22 GMT 1, Fourth jude Hostages at Vincennes have been killed 15 minutes ago from another terrorist ( who killed yesterday a policewoman) of the same crew who attacked Charlie wednesday..
The 2 + 1 terrorists have been all shot by the police.
End - and beginning of an another story :
When terrorists ( it was young men, ex rappers ex thieves - from the suburbs are killed, they become martyr and heroes for all the suburb youths. As Merah, 2 years ago who killed 3 jude children of 3 , 4 years in fornt of their school and 2 men.
A new terrorism is born. With no boss. Only training. Hard to infiltrate because in family, and seeming quiet.
Sad news for the future, for our kids.
Fourth jude Hostages at Vincennes have been killed 15 minutes ago from another terrorist ( who killed yesterday a policewoman) of the same crew who attacked Charlie wednesday..
The 2 + 1 terrorists have been all shot by the police.
End - and beginning of an another story :
When terrorists ( it was young men, ex rappers ex thieves - from the suburbs are killed, they become martyr and heroes for all the suburb youths. As Merah, 2 years ago who killed 3 jude children of 3 , 4 years in fornt of their school and 2 men.
A new terrorism is born. With no boss. Only training. Hard to infiltrate because in family, and seeming quiet.
Sad news for the future, for our kids.
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 12, 2015 9:12:24 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 12, 2015 9:12:41 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 12, 2015 9:12:56 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 12, 2015 9:13:06 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 12, 2015 9:13:34 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 12, 2015 9:13:50 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 12, 2015 9:14:04 GMT 1, 
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Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, by Shoot Again on Jan 12, 2015 9:14:18 GMT 1, 
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