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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lee3 on Feb 18, 2018 2:26:58 GMT 1, >>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<<
Long time sir, hope you're well. I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach.
>>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<<
Long time sir, hope you're well. I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by illicey on Feb 18, 2018 2:49:14 GMT 1, Good to hear from you my man and I have been meaning to catch up (will do shortly anyhow). To the above I have always thought 40 and 50 and you have just jolted my common sense with the girl/balloon composition comment across a potential 30.
Good to hear from you my man and I have been meaning to catch up (will do shortly anyhow). To the above I have always thought 40 and 50 and you have just jolted my common sense with the girl/balloon composition comment across a potential 30.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 6:15:04 GMT 1, >>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<< Long time sir, hope you're well.Β I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach.
Actually youre right, its the dytch canvases which are 30x30cm each, the single ed25 are split between the 2 sizes mentioned, that ive seen, although given the odd random size of some canvas within editions i guess anythings possible, 500+ is suddenly looking lofty
>>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<< Long time sir, hope you're well.Β I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach. Actually youre right, its the dytch canvases which are 30x30cm each, the single ed25 are split between the 2 sizes mentioned, that ive seen, although given the odd random size of some canvas within editions i guess anythings possible, 500+ is suddenly looking lofty |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Feb 18, 2018 12:05:52 GMT 1, I hadn't realised this was the larger format, I think Β£300-350 is about right.
I hadn't realised this was the larger format, I think Β£300-350 is about right.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Balboa on Feb 18, 2018 15:12:33 GMT 1, Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP? Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily
Donβt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was Β£8K 
Are these really trading on the secondary for more than 250K GBP? Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donβt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was Β£8K |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 15:19:49 GMT 1, Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donβt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was Β£8K
Yeah one sold for Β£325k recently im afraid to say, hindsight...
Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donβt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was Β£8K Yeah one sold for Β£325k recently im afraid to say, hindsight... |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 15:43:56 GMT 1, Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donβt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was Β£8K
Just think how much you have saved on expensive art insurance π
Certainly, the diptych is 300+, 400+ easily Donβt say that. I turned the diptych down in 2005 when it was Β£8K Just think how much you have saved on expensive art insurance π |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by supacpeon on Feb 19, 2018 11:29:22 GMT 1, Condition Report:
This work is in very good condition.
There are scattered specks of surface dirt throughout. There are 4 very small, faint lines of surface dirt near the lower right horizontal edge (the longest measuring approx. 1 cm in length); these are likely to be part of the artist's execution and do not affect the image.
All other irregularities are consistent with the artist's execution and choice of materials.
Examination under ultraviolet light reveals no sign of retouching.
Condition Report:
This work is in very good condition.
There are scattered specks of surface dirt throughout. There are 4 very small, faint lines of surface dirt near the lower right horizontal edge (the longest measuring approx. 1 cm in length); these are likely to be part of the artist's execution and do not affect the image.
All other irregularities are consistent with the artist's execution and choice of materials.
Examination under ultraviolet light reveals no sign of retouching.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 13:10:51 GMT 1, I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams.
I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 13:40:23 GMT 1, I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams.
I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong
I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams. I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 13:44:41 GMT 1, I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams. I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong
I think it will make low reserve at best. There is so much good art to buy these days and Bonhams is just Bonhams. I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in? |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 13:48:02 GMT 1, I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in?
You said lower est at best, that will be tge reserve, if it sells above that it will be a genuine sale to a client.
I dont bet but ill wager any amount you want that youre wrong How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in? You said lower est at best, that will be tge reserve, if it sells above that it will be a genuine sale to a client. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by dkla on Feb 19, 2018 14:04:24 GMT 1, Is Bonhams considered a sub-par auction house? Iβm selling a Hirst print and had a choice between Christieβs, Sothebyβs and Bonhams and I was considering the latter because they had the best terms and most hands-on customer service between the three. (I also contacted Phillips but they never responded). Thanks
Is Bonhams considered a sub-par auction house? Iβm selling a Hirst print and had a choice between Christieβs, Sothebyβs and Bonhams and I was considering the latter because they had the best terms and most hands-on customer service between the three. (I also contacted Phillips but they never responded). Thanks
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moron
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by moron on Feb 19, 2018 14:57:06 GMT 1, How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in? You said lower est at best, that will be tge reserve, if it sells above that it will be a genuine sale to a client.
How would you prove it was actually bought, not bought in? You said lower est at best, that will be tge reserve, if it sells above that it will be a genuine sale to a client. I understand that 140K seems like small change to many these days and that Banksy is considered blue chip investment but i'm wondering how far people are prepared to go and keep on pushing prices. My feeling is the image is a stencil and famous but it's not very strong or good. Plus the bubble burst with Hirst spots and never recovered with people who invested looking at big losses. Is it that prestigious in reality to own for a quarter of a million quid or more? |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by breezied on Feb 20, 2018 19:15:43 GMT 1, I think there are a fair few more of Hirst's Spots than these.
I think there are a fair few more of Hirst's Spots than these.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Mar 7, 2018 19:24:09 GMT 1, bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was Β£280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less Β£375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the GWB owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today.
bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was Β£280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less Β£375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the GWB owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by covertshadowops on Mar 7, 2018 19:26:23 GMT 1, 350K all in, but plus artist resale rights too
350K all in, but plus artist resale rights too
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by covertshadowops on Mar 7, 2018 19:26:50 GMT 1, oh and VAT on premium if UK buyer.
oh and VAT on premium if UK buyer.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lv90210 on Mar 7, 2018 19:27:02 GMT 1, Buyer paid Β£350k all in approx, pretty solid.
Buyer paid Β£350k all in approx, pretty solid.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by samfrost on Mar 7, 2018 19:40:37 GMT 1, Agree with observations of OP...bidding seemed slow with not a ton of interest. Still it's an iconic image. I always forget how many editions are out there of canvases...this one was out of 25.
Agree with observations of OP...bidding seemed slow with not a ton of interest. Still it's an iconic image. I always forget how many editions are out there of canvases...this one was out of 25.
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Pattycakes
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Mar 7, 2018 19:43:55 GMT 1, Buyer paid Β£350k all in approx, pretty solid.
Buyer paid Β£350k all in approx, pretty solid. Not quite correct, they paid Β£280,000, plus 25% premium plus VAT on the 25% which totals Β£84,000 and a further 4% ARR so by my calculation it's Β£375,200. If the buyer is from outside of the EU they can take off the VAT. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lee3 on Mar 7, 2018 19:49:04 GMT 1, bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was Β£280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less Β£375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the Girl With Balloon owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today.
bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was Β£280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less Β£375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the Girl With Balloon owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today. I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever at auciton. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better on secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Hubble Bubble on Mar 7, 2018 19:57:38 GMT 1, Buyer paid Β£350k all in approx, pretty solid. Not quite correct, they paid Β£280,000, plus 25% premium plus VAT on the 25% which totals Β£84,000 and a further 4% ARR so by my calculation it's Β£375,200. If the buyer is from outside of the EU they can take off the VAT.
Buyer paid Β£350k all in approx, pretty solid. Not quite correct, they paid Β£280,000, plus 25% premium plus VAT on the 25% which totals Β£84,000 and a further 4% ARR so by my calculation it's Β£375,200. If the buyer is from outside of the EU they can take off the VAT. Bonham's quote the price including premium as Β£344,750... maybe there's a sliding scale for the premium? |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lee3 on Mar 7, 2018 20:04:44 GMT 1, Not quite correct, they paid Β£280,000, plus 25% premium plus VAT on the 25% which totals Β£84,000 and a further 4% ARR so by my calculation it's Β£375,200. If the buyer is from outside of the EU they can take off the VAT. Bonham's quote the price including premium as Β£344,750... maybe there's a sliding scale for the premium?
Edit: here is the bonhams premium schedule for london:
Buyer's Premium Rates
25% on the first Β£175,000 of the hammer price
20% on the excess of Β£175,001 and up to Β£3,000,000 of the hammer price
12.5% on the excess of Β£3,000,001 of the hammer price
Not quite correct, they paid Β£280,000, plus 25% premium plus VAT on the 25% which totals Β£84,000 and a further 4% ARR so by my calculation it's Β£375,200. If the buyer is from outside of the EU they can take off the VAT. Bonham's quote the price including premium as Β£344,750... maybe there's a sliding scale for the premium? You must be correct as it averages out to a 23.125% premium. However, the bonhams quote does not include 4% artist resale rights, any jurisdictional taxes due from buyer nor crating and shipping all of which are going to cost most buyers another 10-20% easily. Edit: here is the bonhams premium schedule for london: Buyer's Premium Rates 25% on the first Β£175,000 of the hammer price 20% on the excess of Β£175,001 and up to Β£3,000,000 of the hammer price 12.5% on the excess of Β£3,000,001 of the hammer price |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Mar 7, 2018 20:25:16 GMT 1, bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was Β£280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less Β£375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the Girl With Balloon owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today. I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better n secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well.
bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was Β£280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less Β£375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the Girl With Balloon owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today. I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better n secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well. Compared to what a signed screen print on paper from an edition of 150 makes, it just does not feel like a lot. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but it just feels as though there is a too small a gap between these prices. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lee3 on Mar 7, 2018 20:33:45 GMT 1, I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better n secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well. Compared to what a signed screen print on paper from an edition of 150 makes, it just does not feel like a lot. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but it just feels as though there is a too small a gap between these prices.
I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better n secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well. Compared to what a signed screen print on paper from an edition of 150 makes, it just does not feel like a lot. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but it just feels as though there is a too small a gap between these prices. I think that's a fair comment and many would suggest the same. To me that's merely a reflection of this artist's popularity. IE, that the unsigned prints went chaotic first, then the signed prints and so on. He has a much wider and younger audience on average than most artists at his stage and I think we see evidence of that in the print prices. From my little window on secondary, the prices of originals are moving higher quickly. I personally believe that it's tougher for anything marked edition 25 to make the move that something unique can make though this result kind of discredits that opinion. It's also fair to note that the print edition of this image holds substantially larger wall space than all of the editioned canvases of this image which is a bit atypical in the collecting pursuit. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Nuno on Mar 7, 2018 21:23:17 GMT 1, Compared to what a signed screen print on paper from an edition of 150 makes, it just does not feel like a lot. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but it just feels as though there is a too small a gap between these prices.Β I think that's a fair comment and many would suggest the same.Β To me that's merely a reflection of this artist's popularity.Β IE, that the unsigned prints went chaotic first, then the signed prints and so on.Β He has a much wider and younger audience on average than most artists at his stage and I think we see evidence of that in the print prices.Β From my little window on secondary, the prices of originals are moving higher quickly.Β I personally believe that it's tougher for anything marked edition 25 to make the move that something unique can make though this result kind of discredits that opinion. It's also fair to note that the print edition of this image holds substantially larger wall space than all of the editioned canvases of this image which is a bit atypical in the collecting pursuit.Β Β
Always enjoy reading your posts Lee3. Clear and considered. Thanks ππΌ
Compared to what a signed screen print on paper from an edition of 150 makes, it just does not feel like a lot. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but it just feels as though there is a too small a gap between these prices.Β I think that's a fair comment and many would suggest the same.Β To me that's merely a reflection of this artist's popularity.Β IE, that the unsigned prints went chaotic first, then the signed prints and so on.Β He has a much wider and younger audience on average than most artists at his stage and I think we see evidence of that in the print prices.Β From my little window on secondary, the prices of originals are moving higher quickly.Β I personally believe that it's tougher for anything marked edition 25 to make the move that something unique can make though this result kind of discredits that opinion. It's also fair to note that the print edition of this image holds substantially larger wall space than all of the editioned canvases of this image which is a bit atypical in the collecting pursuit.Β Β Always enjoy reading your posts Lee3. Clear and considered. Thanks ππΌ |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Unica on Mar 7, 2018 22:24:10 GMT 1, I think its a fantastic result and I would imagine the owner would be thrilled with it, I believe those canvases were around Β£500 at Santas Ghetto in 2003, so I don't believe anyone would be disappointed with that kind of appreciation. And now the Bacchus At the Seaside selling for Β£669k, these are strong results.
IMO its evidence his market is strengthening, maybe time his originals distanced themselves from the print market.
I think its a fantastic result and I would imagine the owner would be thrilled with it, I believe those canvases were around Β£500 at Santas Ghetto in 2003, so I don't believe anyone would be disappointed with that kind of appreciation. And now the Bacchus At the Seaside selling for Β£669k, these are strong results.
IMO its evidence his market is strengthening, maybe time his originals distanced themselves from the print market.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by iamzero on Mar 7, 2018 22:33:22 GMT 1, Iβd never even seen that canvas before. Madness.
Iβd never even seen that canvas before. Madness.
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