Unica
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Unica on Mar 7, 2019 8:49:50 GMT 1, My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk.
My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Carl Cashman on Mar 7, 2019 9:09:53 GMT 1, My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum.
If I'm dropping 35k on art... I want to hang it, not put it in a safety deposit box!. I turned down going halfs on a hook direct for this exact reason, even though I think in 5 years itl be a 200k piece.
My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum. What ever buyers do, please don't cut up the box ffs !! If I'm dropping 35k on art... I want to hang it, not put it in a safety deposit box!. I turned down going halfs on a hook direct for this exact reason, even though I think in 5 years itl be a 200k piece. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by The Italian One on Mar 7, 2019 9:29:24 GMT 1, My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum.
My guess is 2-300k for sure. This is a unique buy never seen before with a Banksy. Both a large iconic sculpture WITH an artist box featuring 4x hand painted stencils!!?? How does anyone think this would go under 100k? That is just nonsense. As an example various cardboard based single stencils have gone for way over 100k in the past and someone even paid 280k for this TINY pretty boring rat canvas last year.... www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-day-auction-l18025/lot.106.html?locale=enThis is a no brainer for a wealthy collector as in 5-10 years these will no doubt be 4-500k+ I can also easily in years to come see this getting displayed at MOMA or The Broad etc. It perfectly represents the whole Walled Off Hotel concept which is also going to be seen as an art piece in itself in any future artist retrospective. I'd for sure buy this for a high number if I was a minted art investor. It's very low risk. Just had a thought, why don't all the members who think this is an amazing investment piece that failed to sell because it's in the wrong auction put together a consortium of investors and place an offer to Bonhams. What an opportunity to pick up the piece for them. I'm sure someone could put a group together on here relatively quickly as there seemed to be many members who thought this would fetch 200k plus. Maybe even get the box and cut it up in four panels and sell separately or place in art storage for a few years and wait for the demand to build. It's not for me but seemed to be coveted by many on this forum. if somebody will organise i'm in... i do not know how but i think there is a need of some contract or legal assistance |
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silvermyn
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by silvermyn on Mar 7, 2019 9:46:01 GMT 1, This is great. I think Iโll be able to get one after all. Try catawiki next week  
This is great. I think Iโll be able to get one after all. Try catawiki next week Or eBay perhaps |
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silvermyn
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by silvermyn on Mar 7, 2019 10:01:51 GMT 1, And the winner was... Manty! Thank-You I am not happy being right, but if people dont know its for sale they will have a problem bidding on it have I mentioned how much I hate Bonhams? Don't blame Bonhams, it's the piece.
Many punters who bought prints at cost could pretty much be guaranteed to sell them for multiple times cost within a few hours, days or weeks. This expectation has transferred to anything Banksy bought from source at cost. It's not a realistic expecation, especially when you're buying something that is not to everyone's taste.
IMHO, no auction house could have sold this for over a ยฃ100k so (relatively) soon after release. Give it 5-10 years and the situation may be different but I don't see this at ยฃ300k for a looooooooooooong time.
And the winner was... Manty! Thank-You I am not happy being right, but if people dont know its for sale they will have a problem bidding on it have I mentioned how much I hate Bonhams? Don't blame Bonhams, it's the piece.
Many punters who bought prints at cost could pretty much be guaranteed to sell them for multiple times cost within a few hours, days or weeks. This expectation has transferred to anything Banksy bought from source at cost. It's not a realistic expecation, especially when you're buying something that is not to everyone's taste.
IMHO, no auction house could have sold this for over a ยฃ100k so (relatively) soon after release. Give it 5-10 years and the situation may be different but I don't see this at ยฃ300k for a looooooooooooong time.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by 19818914 on Mar 7, 2019 10:01:52 GMT 1, It seems like the works with young girls in them sell the best. However, I do remember a print in the Robin Williams Sotheby's sale that did rather well. It had the same gentleman hanging on the cross. But this time he had just come from a shopping trip.
I haven't had the pleasure of seeing this sculpture- is that what you call it?- in person but it seems like a much more substantial work of art than a print. I mean, what is a print anyway?
Even his smaller canvases can be quite dull. A simple spray of a Montana can over a stencil will run you quite a bit of cash. This work is bold, it's relevant to his passion project- Walled off Hotel- and will be sure to stir some conversation in my mother's basement.
While I was surprised to see it passed, I am excited to know that it's still accessible.
It seems like the works with young girls in them sell the best. However, I do remember a print in the Robin Williams Sotheby's sale that did rather well. It had the same gentleman hanging on the cross. But this time he had just come from a shopping trip.
I haven't had the pleasure of seeing this sculpture- is that what you call it?- in person but it seems like a much more substantial work of art than a print. I mean, what is a print anyway?
Even his smaller canvases can be quite dull. A simple spray of a Montana can over a stencil will run you quite a bit of cash. This work is bold, it's relevant to his passion project- Walled off Hotel- and will be sure to stir some conversation in my mother's basement.
While I was surprised to see it passed, I am excited to know that it's still accessible.
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Shoot Again
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Shoot Again on Mar 7, 2019 10:14:57 GMT 1, So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve Did I mention I hate Bonhams seems like bonhams is the cheapest way to own a banksy
So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve Did I mention I hate Bonhams seems like bonhams is the cheapest way to own a banksy That's also my experience and I love them for that |
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Shoot Again
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Shoot Again on Mar 7, 2019 10:21:53 GMT 1, This auction told us noting. Lets see what happens when another one is auctioned
This auction told us noting. Lets see what happens when another one is auctioned It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!! |
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Shoot Again
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Shoot Again on Mar 7, 2019 10:25:57 GMT 1, I really donโt necessarily blame the auction house here I think this piece is a challenge for a number of reasons mentioned, mainly how to display it and itโs context. Combining those two actually it may be initially difficult for (others) to decipher it from just a regular crucifix with a rope, depending how high up it is. Whereas cwsb jumps out what itโs trying to tell you. Iโm not into the blatant religious statement pieces but Iโd much rather have that print than this even if there were 1000 printed and only 3 of the hooks made. People saying 200, you have to think not many people would buy this over a Girl With Balloon print
I really donโt necessarily blame the auction house here I think this piece is a challenge for a number of reasons mentioned, mainly how to display it and itโs context. Combining those two actually it may be initially difficult for (others) to decipher it from just a regular crucifix with a rope, depending how high up it is. Whereas cwsb jumps out what itโs trying to tell you. Iโm not into the blatant religious statement pieces but Iโd much rather have that print than this even if there were 1000 printed and only 3 of the hooks made. People saying 200, you have to think not many people would buy this over a Girl With Balloon print Of course the auction house can't be blamed ! It was well advertised and displayed. Bonhams is actually THE place to go if you're genuinely interested to buy a Banksy artworks you really like / want. Your chances to get it at a good price are in theory much higher than at Christie's or Sotheby's. However, when a piece is not appealing enough or with too high estimates then it just doesn't sell (ie. the Sex Pistols at Sotheby's). Quite simple really |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Winter on Mar 7, 2019 10:36:49 GMT 1, With everything online it doesnโt matter which auction house it is. You could sit on a toilet in Mongolia and bid on this. In fact the auctioneer (Ralph) let this piece open to bids for longer than I think Iโve ever seen before, he really gave it a good chance.
With everything online it doesnโt matter which auction house it is. You could sit on a toilet in Mongolia and bid on this. In fact the auctioneer (Ralph) let this piece open to bids for longer than I think Iโve ever seen before, he really gave it a good chance.
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Unica
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Unica on Mar 7, 2019 10:48:43 GMT 1, With everything online it doesnโt matter which auction house it is. You could sit on a toilet in Mongolia and bid on this. In fact the auctioneer (Ralph) let this piece open to bids for longer than I think Iโve ever seen before, he really gave it a good chance.
I'd think a few owners will have some explaining to their other halves after last night, as I'm sure a few stretched to purchase it when they won the opportunity to purchase them for ยฃ50k. "oh don't worry darling this will be worth ยฃ250k in a couple of years"
I would think there will be a few quietly being offered soon, as it didn't turn out to be such a great flip and it's a lot of money to have tied up for the next few years as many will see the piece as burnt. I remember when they were being offered and I thought that's a lot of money for what it is.
With everything online it doesnโt matter which auction house it is. You could sit on a toilet in Mongolia and bid on this. In fact the auctioneer (Ralph) let this piece open to bids for longer than I think Iโve ever seen before, he really gave it a good chance. I thought the same, it was painful to watch as the auctioneer attempted to solicit some bids for what seemed like an eternity, crickets!. I couldn't fault Bonhams on this. I'd think a few owners will have some explaining to their other halves after last night, as I'm sure a few stretched to purchase it when they won the opportunity to purchase them for ยฃ50k. "oh don't worry darling this will be worth ยฃ250k in a couple of years" I would think there will be a few quietly being offered soon, as it didn't turn out to be such a great flip and it's a lot of money to have tied up for the next few years as many will see the piece as burnt. I remember when they were being offered and I thought that's a lot of money for what it is. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Happy Shopper on Mar 7, 2019 10:58:54 GMT 1, Only just catching up with this.
Seems odd that this didn't sell... but I guess it's appeal is slightly limited by the subject matter... especially for any rich buyers who are particularly religious (or worry about hanging it in their house and what their friends/relations might say).
Only just catching up with this.
Seems odd that this didn't sell... but I guess it's appeal is slightly limited by the subject matter... especially for any rich buyers who are particularly religious (or worry about hanging it in their house and what their friends/relations might say).
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 11:48:55 GMT 1, I went to the auction, did not end up bidding as the BP made it too high for us. This was simply the wrong audience, Bonhams have way too much of a conservative scene of collectors. This in time will do a lot better at one of the other edgier auction houses. I was wrong though I expected this to fly - but as many have said, wrong auction, wrong audience.
I went to the auction, did not end up bidding as the BP made it too high for us. This was simply the wrong audience, Bonhams have way too much of a conservative scene of collectors. This in time will do a lot better at one of the other edgier auction houses. I was wrong though I expected this to fly - but as many have said, wrong auction, wrong audience. I'm always surprised when people say "wrong auction house". In this day and age, art collectors monitor all the major auction houses. Do you care if the item you want is being sold by Sothebys or Phillips or Bonhams? I certainly don't. Why should I? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 11:57:50 GMT 1, Perhaps I'm the only one but I find this piece really ugly. There is no way I would want that thing on display in my house. But having said that, I think it's probably worth 70K. If I had a huge bank balance I would probably buy it and simply store it in the spare bedroom for a decade and then sell it on.
Perhaps I'm the only one but I find this piece really ugly. There is no way I would want that thing on display in my house. But having said that, I think it's probably worth 70K. If I had a huge bank balance I would probably buy it and simply store it in the spare bedroom for a decade and then sell it on.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Eton Groover on Mar 7, 2019 14:21:20 GMT 1, I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you.
Just for the record owner, this member thought it should go for ยฃ250k. So thereโs your starting point
I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you. Just for the record owner, this member thought it should go for ยฃ250k. So thereโs your starting point |
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irl1
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 14:23:13 GMT 1, I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask This lot is now "burned " all auction activity being genuine interest is suspect so the price will be negatively affected, from last highest Bid.
I'm not sure with Bonham's but i have done this with other auction houses. No harm to ask This lot is now "burned " all auction activity being genuine interest is suspect so the price will be negatively affected, from last highest Bid. To be honest it looks like there were only house bids on it |
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irl1
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 14:26:44 GMT 1, This auction told us noting. Lets see what happens when another one is auctioned It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!!
This auction told us noting. Lets see what happens when another one is auctioned It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!! How many of us Banksy lovers have 70k + fees to spend? |
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irl1
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 14:34:57 GMT 1, I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you.
I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you. That's not a punt, its a sure fire winner |
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kuni
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by kuni on Mar 7, 2019 14:36:17 GMT 1, It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!! How many of us Banksy lovers have 70k + fees to spend?
It seems like there are a fair number of folks on this forum with that kind of disposable income. Or at least a fair number that hold themselves out as having that kind of loot.
It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!! How many of us Banksy lovers have 70k + fees to spend? It seems like there are a fair number of folks on this forum with that kind of disposable income. Or at least a fair number that hold themselves out as having that kind of loot. |
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irl1
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 14:39:08 GMT 1, Perhaps I'm the only one but I find this piece really ugly. There is no way I would want that thing on display in my house. But having said that, I think it's probably worth 70K. If I had a huge bank balance I would probably buy it and simply store it in the spare bedroom for a decade and then sell it on.
I'm glad you don't have the spare cash for it, this should be hanging at your front door where everyone can see it
Perhaps I'm the only one but I find this piece really ugly. There is no way I would want that thing on display in my house. But having said that, I think it's probably worth 70K. If I had a huge bank balance I would probably buy it and simply store it in the spare bedroom for a decade and then sell it on. I'm glad you don't have the spare cash for it, this should be hanging at your front door where everyone can see it |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by The Italian One on Mar 7, 2019 14:39:40 GMT 1, It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!! How many of us Banksy lovers have 70k + fees to spend?
It does tell us SOMETHING : that none of us pundits / Banksy lovers here did make a single bid above ยฃ68K !!! How many of us Banksy lovers have 70k + fees to spend? not me.. but if i had that budget i would be all over it at that price! |
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irl1
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 14:43:09 GMT 1, I went to the auction, did not end up bidding as the BP made it too high for us. This was simply the wrong audience, Bonhams have way too much of a conservative scene of collectors. This in time will do a lot better at one of the other edgier auction houses. I was wrong though I expected this to fly - but as many have said, wrong auction, wrong audience. I'm always surprised when people say "wrong auction house". In this day and age, art collectors monitor all the major auction houses. Do you care if the item you want is being sold by Sothebys or Phillips or Bonhams? I certainly don't. Why should I?
If only it worked that way there would never ever be an unsold lot. There are auction houses who ring their clients to let them know when they have something to their taste.
I'm sorry to let you know a lot of clients don't bother to check what's coming up in auctions
I went to the auction, did not end up bidding as the BP made it too high for us. This was simply the wrong audience, Bonhams have way too much of a conservative scene of collectors. This in time will do a lot better at one of the other edgier auction houses. I was wrong though I expected this to fly - but as many have said, wrong auction, wrong audience. I'm always surprised when people say "wrong auction house". In this day and age, art collectors monitor all the major auction houses. Do you care if the item you want is being sold by Sothebys or Phillips or Bonhams? I certainly don't. Why should I? If only it worked that way there would never ever be an unsold lot. There are auction houses who ring their clients to let them know when they have something to their taste. I'm sorry to let you know a lot of clients don't bother to check what's coming up in auctions |
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Fast Eddie
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Fast Eddie on Mar 7, 2019 14:44:57 GMT 1, Please buy it. This thing deserves a market, if anything for the product safety disclaimer that tells you not to use the hook for actually climbing walls.
Please buy it. This thing deserves a market, if anything for the product safety disclaimer that tells you not to use the hook for actually climbing walls.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 17:20:17 GMT 1, Perhaps I'm the only one but I find this piece really ugly. There is no way I would want that thing on display in my house. But having said that, I think it's probably worth 70K. If I had a huge bank balance I would probably buy it and simply store it in the spare bedroom for a decade and then sell it on. I'm glad you don't have the spare cash for it, this should be hanging at your front door where everyone can see it
One can never be too careful.
Perhaps I'm the only one but I find this piece really ugly. There is no way I would want that thing on display in my house. But having said that, I think it's probably worth 70K. If I had a huge bank balance I would probably buy it and simply store it in the spare bedroom for a decade and then sell it on. I'm glad you don't have the spare cash for it, this should be hanging at your front door where everyone can see it At least it should keep away vampires. Or is it zombies? One can never be too careful. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Amber Halo on Mar 7, 2019 18:06:51 GMT 1, I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you. Just for the record owner, this member thought it should go for ยฃ250k. So thereโs your starting point
โCocaine is a helluva drug.โ Rick James
I am taking a punt that the owner of this is a member of the forum. If you are the owner, please get in touch, I would like to buy this - discretion assured. Thank you. Just for the record owner, this member thought it should go for ยฃ250k. So thereโs your starting point โCocaine is a helluva drug.โ Rick James |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by met on Mar 7, 2019 18:37:05 GMT 1, So an editioned Canvas, ie, Girl With Balloon edition of 25 spray painted by hand is not an original, i think many would disagree . Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. Itโs hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. I think this is a nice curiosity. An aberration from his usual oeuvre. Having said that, Dismaland featured many โsculpturesโ, and his Guantanamo/Disneyland stunt, well, it depends whether bonuses have been paid. It could go either way. I wouldnโt thank you for it.
Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. Itโs hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. ... So, is an "original" a one-of-a-kind or is it an artwork handmade by the artist as opposed to a print?
I have seen some galleries say "Editioned Original" which means thats its an original image but the image has been used in the same medium more than once. When I buy or sell art I always ask or put is it an edition 1/1 Unique if it is truly an original. Agreed. I take original to mean hand painted, as appose to printed. An original can then be part of an edition of originals, or unique. If the former, it should really be numbered.
There follows a 2014 post by me regarding a shift in terminology over time. I first became aware of it with the Banksy market โ when stencil-sprayed multiples started being described by some resellers as "originals".
At source, I think each of these works had been referred to more honestly and accurately as simply "a painting" or "a canvas" that was part of an edition.
Based on your description above, the "More money than sense" evaluation seems overly harsh to me. Editioned works are by definition unoriginal. That woman's position is consistent with how the art world generally considers originals. It was with Ban ksy's stencil-based, editioned canvases (and only a few years ago, not necessarily when released) that I first noticed some sellers attempting to alter the meaning of "original". Others, especially new collectors, followed suit without question. The term was thus broadened and arguably corrupted in the context of Ban ksy, no longer strictly referring to one-of-a-kind pieces. Instead of the distinguishing factor being uniqueness, as it is in the wider art market, what constitutes an original with the Ban ksy market is now determined by medium. And so, for example, any one of 25 identical Ban ksy paintings is an original if it's a hand-sprayed stencil โ whether on canvas, board, paper, or other surface. The silly result (at least to my mind) is that an editioned work, a multiple and one of many, can simultaneously be deemed "original". This shift is market-driven. Those with vested financial interests care less about terminology. They're happy for definitions to change, to become less strict, provided they also benefit. That's the case with private collectors, gallerists, other dealers, and auction houses looking or potentially looking to sell. From a business perspective this makes complete sense. A painting is easier to offload, it's sexier, and the price it can command is higher when marketed as an "original" rather than simply a "multiple". Referring to editioned work as originals has since become more common, though it's still largely confined to the str eet art / ur ban art ghetto-niche market.โ Property developers and estate agents behave in a similar manner. They'll try their best to rebrand areas to make them more attractive to buyers. For the Londoners here, remember when London Fields was called West Hackney, or when South Clapham was just known as Streatham?
Original post here from the thread, BANKSY The Unauthorised Retrospective.
So an editioned Canvas, ie, Girl With Balloon edition of 25 spray painted by hand is not an original, i think many would disagree . Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. Itโs hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. I think this is a nice curiosity. An aberration from his usual oeuvre. Having said that, Dismaland featured many โsculpturesโ, and his Guantanamo/Disneyland stunt, well, it depends whether bonuses have been paid. It could go either way. I wouldnโt thank you for it. Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. Itโs hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. ... So, is an "original" a one-of-a-kind or is it an artwork handmade by the artist as opposed to a print? I have seen some galleries say "Editioned Original" which means thats its an original image but the image has been used in the same medium more than once. When I buy or sell art I always ask or put is it an edition 1/1 Unique if it is truly an original. Agreed. I take original to mean hand painted, as appose to printed. An original can then be part of an edition of originals, or unique. If the former, it should really be numbered. There follows a 2014 post by me regarding a shift in terminology over time. I first became aware of it with the Ban ksy market โ when stencil-sprayed multiples started being described by some resellers as "originals". At source, I think each of these works had been referred to more honestly and accurately as simply "a painting" or "a canvas" that was part of an edition. Based on your description above, the "More money than sense" evaluation seems overly harsh to me. Editioned works are by definition unoriginal. That woman's position is consistent with how the art world generally considers originals. It was with Ban ksy's stencil-based, editioned canvases (and only a few years ago, not necessarily when released) that I first noticed some sellers attempting to alter the meaning of "original". Others, especially new collectors, followed suit without question. The term was thus broadened and arguably corrupted in the context of Ban ksy, no longer strictly referring to one-of-a-kind pieces. Instead of the distinguishing factor being uniqueness, as it is in the wider art market, what constitutes an original with the Ban ksy market is now determined by medium. And so, for example, any one of 25 identical Ban ksy paintings is an original if it's a hand-sprayed stencil โ whether on canvas, board, paper, or other surface. The silly result (at least to my mind) is that an editioned work, a multiple and one of many, can simultaneously be deemed "original". This shift is market-driven. Those with vested financial interests care less about terminology. They're happy for definitions to change, to become less strict, provided they also benefit. That's the case with private collectors, gallerists, other dealers, and auction houses looking or potentially looking to sell. From a business perspective this makes complete sense. A painting is easier to offload, it's sexier, and the price it can command is higher when marketed as an "original" rather than simply a "multiple". Referring to editioned work as originals has since become more common, though it's still largely confined to the str eet art / ur ban art ghetto-niche market.โ Property developers and estate agents behave in a similar manner. They'll try their best to rebrand areas to make them more attractive to buyers. For the Londoners here, remember when London Fields was called West Hackney, or when South Clapham was just known as Streatham? Original post here from the thread, BANKSY The Unauthorised Retrospective. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by moron on Mar 7, 2019 19:54:12 GMT 1, Not wrong saleroom definately the wrong sale.
Most of the artworks in this sale were created in the 60's 70's 80's and have nothing in common with urban or street or political art.
Not wrong saleroom definately the wrong sale.
Most of the artworks in this sale were created in the 60's 70's 80's and have nothing in common with urban or street or political art.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 7, 2019 21:44:19 GMT 1, I'm glad you don't have the spare cash for it, this should be hanging at your front door where everyone can see it At least it should keep away vampires. Or is it zombies? One can never be too careful.
Its a pity you can't use it to keep Brexit away
I'm glad you don't have the spare cash for it, this should be hanging at your front door where everyone can see it At least it should keep away vampires. Or is it zombies? One can never be too careful. Its a pity you can't use it to keep Brexit away |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by moron on Mar 8, 2019 18:05:13 GMT 1, At least it should keep away vampires. Or is it zombies? One can never be too careful. Its a pity you can't use it to keep Brexit away
No doubt someone will make something similar.
How about a crucifix made into an anchor with a heavy chain attached.
At least it should keep away vampires. Or is it zombies? One can never be too careful. Its a pity you can't use it to keep Brexit away An interesting concept. No doubt someone will make something similar. How about a crucifix made into an anchor with a heavy chain attached. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by viz on Mar 8, 2019 22:16:15 GMT 1, Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. Itโs hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. I think this is a nice curiosity. An aberration from his usual oeuvre. Having said that, Dismaland featured many โsculpturesโ, and his Guantanamo/Disneyland stunt, well, it depends whether bonuses have been paid. It could go either way. I wouldnโt thank you for it. So, is an "original" a one-of-a-kind or is it an artwork handmade by the artist as opposed to a print? Agreed. I take original to mean hand painted, as appose to printed. An original can then be part of an edition of originals, or unique. If the former, it should really be numbered. There follows a 2014 post by me regarding a shift in terminology over time. I first became aware of it with the Ban ksy market โ when stencil-sprayed multiples started being described by some resellers as "originals". At source, I think each of these works had been referred to more honestly and accurately as simply "a painting" or "a canvas" that was part of an edition. Based on your description above, the "More money than sense" evaluation seems overly harsh to me. Editioned works are by definition unoriginal. That woman's position is consistent with how the art world generally considers originals. It was with Ban ksy's stencil-based, editioned canvases (and only a few years ago, not necessarily when released) that I first noticed some sellers attempting to alter the meaning of "original". Others, especially new collectors, followed suit without question. The term was thus broadened and arguably corrupted in the context of Ban ksy, no longer strictly referring to one-of-a-kind pieces. Instead of the distinguishing factor being uniqueness, as it is in the wider art market, what constitutes an original with the Ban ksy market is now determined by medium. And so, for example, any one of 25 identical Ban ksy paintings is an original if it's a hand-sprayed stencil โ whether on canvas, board, paper, or other surface. The silly result (at least to my mind) is that an editioned work, a multiple and one of many, can simultaneously be deemed "original". This shift is market-driven. Those with vested financial interests care less about terminology. They're happy for definitions to change, to become less strict, provided they also benefit. That's the case with private collectors, gallerists, other dealers, and auction houses looking or potentially looking to sell. From a business perspective this makes complete sense. A painting is easier to offload, it's sexier, and the price it can command is higher when marketed as an "original" rather than simply a "multiple". Referring to editioned work as originals has since become more common, though it's still largely confined to the str eet art / ur ban art ghetto-niche market.โ Property developers and estate agents behave in a similar manner. They'll try their best to rebrand areas to make them more attractive to buyers. For the Londoners here, remember when London Fields was called West Hackney, or when South Clapham was just known as Streatham? Original post here from the thread, BANKSY The Unauthorised Retrospective.
In my opinion it's quite straightforward, even if for commercial purposes many use words changing their meaning.
There are words that refer to the medium (painting, photograph, sculpture, print, etc.), words that refer to the edition number (if the medium allows for multiple copies), and then there is original vs reproduction that refer to the artwork having been created as it is by the author or being a copy of another artwork (even if legit and authorized by the artist himself).
A woodcut in one copy would not be a print, just because there is just one copy?
or a bronze sculpture would not be an original work of art just because there are several?
No, it's not.
In the same way numbering and signing, that came into fashion just in recent times, are commercial ways to indicate the authenticity (well...) and the edition of a multiple, they have nothing to do with the artwork being an orginal work of art or being not.
Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. Itโs hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. I think this is a nice curiosity. An aberration from his usual oeuvre. Having said that, Dismaland featured many โsculpturesโ, and his Guantanamo/Disneyland stunt, well, it depends whether bonuses have been paid. It could go either way. I wouldnโt thank you for it. So, is an "original" a one-of-a-kind or is it an artwork handmade by the artist as opposed to a print? Agreed. I take original to mean hand painted, as appose to printed. An original can then be part of an edition of originals, or unique. If the former, it should really be numbered. There follows a 2014 post by me regarding a shift in terminology over time. I first became aware of it with the Ban ksy market โ when stencil-sprayed multiples started being described by some resellers as "originals". At source, I think each of these works had been referred to more honestly and accurately as simply "a painting" or "a canvas" that was part of an edition. Based on your description above, the "More money than sense" evaluation seems overly harsh to me. Editioned works are by definition unoriginal. That woman's position is consistent with how the art world generally considers originals. It was with Ban ksy's stencil-based, editioned canvases (and only a few years ago, not necessarily when released) that I first noticed some sellers attempting to alter the meaning of "original". Others, especially new collectors, followed suit without question. The term was thus broadened and arguably corrupted in the context of Ban ksy, no longer strictly referring to one-of-a-kind pieces. Instead of the distinguishing factor being uniqueness, as it is in the wider art market, what constitutes an original with the Ban ksy market is now determined by medium. And so, for example, any one of 25 identical Ban ksy paintings is an original if it's a hand-sprayed stencil โ whether on canvas, board, paper, or other surface. The silly result (at least to my mind) is that an editioned work, a multiple and one of many, can simultaneously be deemed "original". This shift is market-driven. Those with vested financial interests care less about terminology. They're happy for definitions to change, to become less strict, provided they also benefit. That's the case with private collectors, gallerists, other dealers, and auction houses looking or potentially looking to sell. From a business perspective this makes complete sense. A painting is easier to offload, it's sexier, and the price it can command is higher when marketed as an "original" rather than simply a "multiple". Referring to editioned work as originals has since become more common, though it's still largely confined to the str eet art / ur ban art ghetto-niche market.โ Property developers and estate agents behave in a similar manner. They'll try their best to rebrand areas to make them more attractive to buyers. For the Londoners here, remember when London Fields was called West Hackney, or when South Clapham was just known as Streatham? Original post here from the thread, BANKSY The Unauthorised Retrospective. In my opinion it's quite straightforward, even if for commercial purposes many use words changing their meaning. There are words that refer to the medium (painting, photograph, sculpture, print, etc.), words that refer to the edition number (if the medium allows for multiple copies), and then there is original vs reproduction that refer to the artwork having been created as it is by the author or being a copy of another artwork (even if legit and authorized by the artist himself). A woodcut in one copy would not be a print, just because there is just one copy? or a bronze sculpture would not be an original work of art just because there are several? No, it's not. In the same way numbering and signing, that came into fashion just in recent times, are commercial ways to indicate the authenticity (well...) and the edition of a multiple, they have nothing to do with the artwork being an orginal work of art or being not. |
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