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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 10, 2021 15:32:51 GMT 1, Bonhams Post-War & Contemporary Art
24th March London 17.00 GMT
BANKSY
Girl With Ice Cream on Palette 2004
Tagged; signed and dedicated on the reverse
Spray paint and emulsion on wood
59.7 by 50 cm. 23 1/2 by 19 11/16 in.
This work was executed in 2004.
Footnotes
This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control Office.
Provenance
Private Collection, UK (acquired directly from the artist)
Gift from the above to the present owner
Estimate ยฃ300,000 to ยฃ500,000
www.bonhams.com/auctions/26651/lot/5/?category=list&length=12&page=1
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Bonhams Post-War & Contemporary Art 24th March London 17.00 GMT BANKSY Girl With Ice Cream on Palette 2004 Tagged; signed and dedicated on the reverse Spray paint and emulsion on wood 59.7 by 50 cm. 23 1/2 by 19 11/16 in. This work was executed in 2004. Footnotes This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control Office. Provenance Private Collection, UK (acquired directly from the artist) Gift from the above to the present owner Estimate ยฃ300,000 to ยฃ500,000 www.bonhams.com/auctions/26651/lot/5/?category=list&length=12&page=1Lots www.bonhams.com/auctions/26651/#/! |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Georgie Poppit on Mar 10, 2021 17:46:45 GMT 1, Certainly looks like an early work. No feet.
Certainly looks like an early work. No feet.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by hnkpnk on Mar 10, 2021 18:01:46 GMT 1, 
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pint of cockles on Mar 10, 2021 19:03:07 GMT 1, Hello
Has anyone had problems with Bonhams
I purchased a Banksy in there recent auction
They clearly stated it has a coa
But now saying itโs pending
Hello
Has anyone had problems with Bonhams
I purchased a Banksy in there recent auction
They clearly stated it has a coa
But now saying itโs pending
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Philpenn on Mar 10, 2021 19:12:24 GMT 1, Yikes. Posting to follow along, as I was planning on listing something with them.
Yikes. Posting to follow along, as I was planning on listing something with them.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by JW on Mar 10, 2021 19:19:09 GMT 1, Not sure if this gives you any comfort, but Pest Control states this on the "Keep it Real" section:
Note: Christies, Sothebys, Phillips, Bonhams and Forum Auctions check the authenticity of all their Banksy artworks with Pest Control Office prior to consigning.
pestcontroloffice.com/buy2.asp
I guess whether they have the COA in hand or not is a different story?
Not sure if this gives you any comfort, but Pest Control states this on the "Keep it Real" section: Note: Christies, Sothebys, Phillips, Bonhams and Forum Auctions check the authenticity of all their Banksy artworks with Pest Control Office prior to consigning.pestcontroloffice.com/buy2.aspI guess whether they have the COA in hand or not is a different story? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Reader on Mar 10, 2021 19:34:26 GMT 1, There's a backlog for anything they need to check "in person" due to covid restrictions etc
There's a backlog for anything they need to check "in person" due to covid restrictions etc
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by mission on Mar 10, 2021 19:47:02 GMT 1, Yes I withdrew my payment for same reason !
Itโs illegal what they have done
Coas not released until after Covid
How long is a piece of string ๐คทโโ๏ธ๐คทโโ๏ธ
I will not be purchasing and have told them same
Yes I withdrew my payment for same reason !
Itโs illegal what they have done
Coas not released until after Covid
How long is a piece of string ๐คทโโ๏ธ๐คทโโ๏ธ
I will not be purchasing and have told them same
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pint of cockles on Mar 10, 2021 19:53:05 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund
It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control
But now they saying itโs pending
Not sure what my options are
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund
It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control
But now they saying itโs pending
Not sure what my options are
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by reg on Mar 10, 2021 19:56:45 GMT 1, Stating that the print has a cao and also it being pending can both actually be true.
In other words the piece is eligible for one and PC will issue one.
Stating that the print has a cao and also it being pending can both actually be true.
In other words the piece is eligible for one and PC will issue one.
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u%hdjfka c
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by u%hdjfka c on Mar 10, 2021 19:58:13 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are
Why can't you wait for the COA?
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Why can't you wait for the COA? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by JW on Mar 10, 2021 20:02:35 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are
Email PC to confirm it is eligible?
That should be as good as having one in hand.
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by u%hdjfka c on Mar 10, 2021 20:06:19 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand.
It's already been authenticated. COA is pending. Bonhams check all Banksy's with PC before the auctions.
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand. It's already been authenticated. COA is pending. Bonhams check all Banksy's with PC before the auctions. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 10, 2021 20:06:33 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are
If it states 'accompanied' legally I don't think they would have a leg to stand on. If you want the print though, it might be worth trying for a big reduction in the buyers fees.
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are If it states 'accompanied' legally I don't think they would have a leg to stand on. If you want the print though, it might be worth trying for a big reduction in the buyers fees. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 20:07:36 GMT 1, Hello Has anyone had problems with Bonhams I purchased a Banksy in there recent auction They clearly stated it has a coa But now saying itโs pending
Dont fret. They will have applied for it prior to sale. Covid restrictions and crap postal services will be holding it up.
Hello Has anyone had problems with Bonhams I purchased a Banksy in there recent auction They clearly stated it has a coa But now saying itโs pending Dont fret. They will have applied for it prior to sale. Covid restrictions and crap postal services will be holding it up. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pint of cockles on Mar 10, 2021 20:08:25 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Why can't you wait for the COA?
Few reasons
I would have not paid as much if itโs pending
Last auction I purchased no coa waited 11months
Itโs hard to sell on with a coa pending
Feel if they say itโs got one one would assume they telling the truth
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Why can't you wait for the COA? Few reasons I would have not paid as much if itโs pending Last auction I purchased no coa waited 11months Itโs hard to sell on with a coa pending Feel if they say itโs got one one would assume they telling the truth |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by u%hdjfka c on Mar 10, 2021 20:14:12 GMT 1,
Is there a thread with screen grabs like this of original sale prices for Banksy works?
Is there a thread with screen grabs like this of original sale prices for Banksy works? |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by JW on Mar 10, 2021 20:17:27 GMT 1, Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand. It's already been authenticated. COA is pending. Bonhams check all Banksy's with PC before the auctions.
It was more a suggestion to the buyer so they could personally get comfortable.
Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand. It's already been authenticated. COA is pending. Bonhams check all Banksy's with PC before the auctions. Yes I know, hence my earlier post stating exactly that. It was more a suggestion to the buyer so they could personally get comfortable. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Dubman on Mar 11, 2021 12:57:45 GMT 1, You'll get the COA soon (holds breath) PCO are not in the office due to covid (turns blue) they will send it out on their return (dies)*.
*been waiting for change of ownership on a few prints since last August.....
You'll get the COA soon (holds breath) PCO are not in the office due to covid (turns blue) they will send it out on their return (dies)*.
*been waiting for change of ownership on a few prints since last August.....
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on Mar 11, 2021 14:03:04 GMT 1, Why can't you wait for the COA? Few reasons I would have not paid as much if itโs pending Last auction I purchased no coa waited 11months Itโs hard to sell on with a coa pending Feel if they say itโs got one one would assume they telling the truth
Why can't you wait for the COA? Few reasons I would have not paid as much if itโs pending Last auction I purchased no coa waited 11months Itโs hard to sell on with a coa pending Feel if they say itโs got one one would assume they telling the truth Get a lawyer to write them a letter, it's pretty straight forward and once they think you'll make a claim they'll fold. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by sleazus1slord on Mar 11, 2021 14:07:41 GMT 1, He did 15 of these!?
He did 15 of these!?
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u%hdjfka c
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by u%hdjfka c on Mar 11, 2021 14:17:07 GMT 1, from Bonhams Terms and conditions:
Contractual Description of a Lot.
The Online Sales Catalogue contains an Entry about each Lot. Each Lot is sold by its respective Seller to the Buyer of the Lot as corresponding only with that part of the Entry which is printed in bold or upper case letters (except for the colour, which may be inaccurately reproduced) in the Online Sales Catalogue. The remainder of the Entry, which is not printed in bold or upper case letters, represents Bonhamsโ opinion (given on behalf of the Seller) about the Lot only and is not part of the Contractual Description in accordance with which the Lot is sold by the Seller.
from Bonhams Terms and conditions:
Contractual Description of a Lot.
The Online Sales Catalogue contains an Entry about each Lot. Each Lot is sold by its respective Seller to the Buyer of the Lot as corresponding only with that part of the Entry which is printed in bold or upper case letters (except for the colour, which may be inaccurately reproduced) in the Online Sales Catalogue. The remainder of the Entry, which is not printed in bold or upper case letters, represents Bonhamsโ opinion (given on behalf of the Seller) about the Lot only and is not part of the Contractual Description in accordance with which the Lot is sold by the Seller.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by themenya6 on Mar 11, 2021 15:25:05 GMT 1, You could offer it up here for sale even with the pending COA, what print was it?
You could offer it up here for sale even with the pending COA, what print was it?
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hnkpnk
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by hnkpnk on Mar 11, 2021 15:37:17 GMT 1, Not sure, but I believe it's a varied edition of 15. This was up at the same time:
Not sure, but I believe it's a varied edition of 15. This was up at the same time: |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by hnkpnk on Mar 11, 2021 15:39:21 GMT 1, Is there a thread with screen grabs like this of original sale prices for Banksy works?
www.hankpank.net/banksy/pow2004/index.html
Wish I had bought this:
Is there a thread with screen grabs like this of original sale prices for Banksy works? Can't remember if there's a thread, but here are my screengrabs from what POW had in May '04. www.hankpank.net/banksy/pow2004/index.htmlWish I had bought this: |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by vethar on Mar 11, 2021 16:03:45 GMT 1, Is there a thread with screen grabs like this of original sale prices for Banksy works?
Wish I had bought this:
Is there a thread with screen grabs like this of original sale prices for Banksy works?
Wish I had bought this: Wish I had bought this too, but I was in Grade 4... hah |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by JFCC on Mar 11, 2021 17:58:25 GMT 1, Bonhams have become very difficult to deal with of late, it seems to match the poor quality sales of late. Their condition reports have come at best "generous" and they are quite happy to fall out with long standing customers.
The COA point is shoddy, I have had similar with another Auction house, but they held their hands up and they actually said I could do whatever I wanted as I had paid in full. I kept the piece as I am well aware that Pending means approved and they guaranteed money back if anything went wrong which it didn't. I got my certificate in 2 months.
Additionally I have use the Pest Control Authentication service now a few times and it was very quick, the longest was just over a couple of months all done!
Bonhams have become very difficult to deal with of late, it seems to match the poor quality sales of late. Their condition reports have come at best "generous" and they are quite happy to fall out with long standing customers.
The COA point is shoddy, I have had similar with another Auction house, but they held their hands up and they actually said I could do whatever I wanted as I had paid in full. I kept the piece as I am well aware that Pending means approved and they guaranteed money back if anything went wrong which it didn't. I got my certificate in 2 months.
Additionally I have use the Pest Control Authentication service now a few times and it was very quick, the longest was just over a couple of months all done!
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by u%hdjfka c on Mar 11, 2021 18:21:28 GMT 1, from Bonhams Terms and conditions: Contractual Description of a Lot. The Online Sales Catalogue contains an Entry about each Lot. Each Lot is sold by its respective Seller to the Buyer of the Lot as corresponding only with that part of the Entry which is printed in bold or upper case letters (except for the colour, which may be inaccurately reproduced) in the Online Sales Catalogue. The remainder of the Entry, which is not printed in bold or upper case letters, represents Bonhamsโ opinion (given on behalf of the Seller) about the Lot only and is not part of the Contractual Description in accordance with which the Lot is sold by the Seller.So what are they actually saying here? ย Are they saying that "the reminder of the entry..." can be complete rubbish and the buyer does not have any legal comeback?ย
All auction houses have the same caveat. Catalogue descriptions are opinion only, not statements of fact.
from Bonhams Terms and conditions: Contractual Description of a Lot. The Online Sales Catalogue contains an Entry about each Lot. Each Lot is sold by its respective Seller to the Buyer of the Lot as corresponding only with that part of the Entry which is printed in bold or upper case letters (except for the colour, which may be inaccurately reproduced) in the Online Sales Catalogue. The remainder of the Entry, which is not printed in bold or upper case letters, represents Bonhamsโ opinion (given on behalf of the Seller) about the Lot only and is not part of the Contractual Description in accordance with which the Lot is sold by the Seller.So what are they actually saying here? ย Are they saying that "the reminder of the entry..." can be complete rubbish and the buyer does not have any legal comeback?ย All auction houses have the same caveat. Catalogue descriptions are opinion only, not statements of fact. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on Mar 11, 2021 19:34:34 GMT 1, So what are they actually saying here? ย Are they saying that "the reminder of the entry..." can be complete rubbish and the buyer does not have any legal comeback?ย All auction houses have the same caveat. Catalogue descriptions are opinion only, not statements of fact.
They also have certain statutory obligations that cannot be disclaimered away or contracted around. Plenty of case law of auction houses hiding behind terms of business and being on the wrong end of a claim. Personally I think heโs got enough to put pressure on them, even if itโs just to get a discount on the fees. I probably wouldnโt recommend anything more than a nasty letter from a lawyer as if they want to defend it will get expensive.
So what are they actually saying here? ย Are they saying that "the reminder of the entry..." can be complete rubbish and the buyer does not have any legal comeback?ย All auction houses have the same caveat. Catalogue descriptions are opinion only, not statements of fact. They also have certain statutory obligations that cannot be disclaimered away or contracted around. Plenty of case law of auction houses hiding behind terms of business and being on the wrong end of a claim. Personally I think heโs got enough to put pressure on them, even if itโs just to get a discount on the fees. I probably wouldnโt recommend anything more than a nasty letter from a lawyer as if they want to defend it will get expensive. |
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Mar 23, 2021 23:47:58 GMT 1, Bonhams Post-War & Contemporary Art 24th March London 17.00 GMT BANKSY Girl With Ice Cream on Palette 2004 Tagged; signed and dedicated on the reverse Spray paint and emulsion on wood 59.7 by 50 cm. 23 1/2 by 19 11/16 in. This work was executed in 2004. Footnotes This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control Office. Provenance Private Collection, UK (acquired directly from the artist) Gift from the above to the present owner Estimate ยฃ300,000 to ยฃ500,000 www.bonhams.com/auctions/26651/lot/5/?category=list&length=12&page=1Lots www.bonhams.com/auctions/26651/#/!
BANKSY (BORN 1975)
Girl with Balloon, 2004
Screenprint in red and black, on wove paper, numbered in pencil 201/600, with the blindstamp of the publisher, Pictures on Walls, London, with full margins.
sheet 27 5/8 x 19 3/4in (70 x 50cm)
Footnotes
This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control Office.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/26523/lot/103/
Bonhams Post-War & Contemporary Art 24th March London 17.00 GMT BANKSY Girl With Ice Cream on Palette 2004 Tagged; signed and dedicated on the reverse Spray paint and emulsion on wood 59.7 by 50 cm. 23 1/2 by 19 11/16 in. This work was executed in 2004. Footnotes This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control Office. Provenance Private Collection, UK (acquired directly from the artist) Gift from the above to the present owner Estimate ยฃ300,000 to ยฃ500,000 www.bonhams.com/auctions/26651/lot/5/?category=list&length=12&page=1Lots www.bonhams.com/auctions/26651/#/! Up tomorrow with ....... BANKSY (BORN 1975) Girl with Balloon, 2004 Screenprint in red and black, on wove paper, numbered in pencil 201/600, with the blindstamp of the publisher, Pictures on Walls, London, with full margins. sheet 27 5/8 x 19 3/4in (70 x 50cm) Footnotes This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control Office. www.bonhams.com/auctions/26523/lot/103/ |
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