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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 16, 2008 18:18:40 GMT 1,
Yes, a little odd. Unsigned GS going for almost as much as a signed HC AP. Would never have guessed those results! The Kate as well, although that seems a more sensible result, in that it's still absurdly high, but the 80k madness has passed as people have realised there were 50 of them and not just 1!
Yes, a little odd. Unsigned GS going for almost as much as a signed HC AP. Would never have guessed those results! The Kate as well, although that seems a more sensible result, in that it's still absurdly high, but the 80k madness has passed as people have realised there were 50 of them and not just 1! |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by manchestermike on Apr 16, 2008 18:18:44 GMT 1, Suicide Bomber went for 78,500 GBP
Suicide Bomber went for 78,500 GBP
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by arcam on Apr 16, 2008 18:21:33 GMT 1, For the Banksys results seem more in line with those of Sothebys at the start of the month.
For the Banksys results seem more in line with those of Sothebys at the start of the month.
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Heavyconsumer
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 16, 2008 18:25:29 GMT 1, I like the Suicide Bomber piece, but I actually prefer this one, Red Portrait. I'm very curious to see how high it gets, especiallly now that he has another show just around the corner. Beautiful painting!
I like the Suicide Bomber piece, but I actually prefer this one, Red Portrait. I'm very curious to see how high it gets, especiallly now that he has another show just around the corner. Beautiful painting!
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 16, 2008 18:26:34 GMT 1, People on the day might just like a particular image e.g. Pulp Fiction or 21st Century Love and not like others e.g. Rats. Just my guess but then we're always guessing pretty much in reality when it comes to this side of things I suppose.
It's also a bit tricky to be certain when you're unsure of the exact condition of all the pieces.
People on the day might just like a particular image e.g. Pulp Fiction or 21st Century Love and not like others e.g. Rats. Just my guess but then we're always guessing pretty much in reality when it comes to this side of things I suppose. It's also a bit tricky to be certain when you're unsure of the exact condition of all the pieces. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by colonelkurtz on Apr 16, 2008 18:32:29 GMT 1, So far, so good. Lots of stuff selling for good money.
A good day for Banksy.
So far, so good. Lots of stuff selling for good money.
A good day for Banksy.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Cocteau 101 on Apr 16, 2008 18:41:34 GMT 1, So hasn't the Neate sold, if so a very interesting result considering the estimate. Even though Suicide Bomber sold previously Neate shouldn't be even in these auctions yet. More careful selling required to people who will keep the pieces for at least a 5 year period and allow him to grow away from the auction room environment.
So hasn't the Neate sold, if so a very interesting result considering the estimate. Even though Suicide Bomber sold previously Neate shouldn't be even in these auctions yet. More careful selling required to people who will keep the pieces for at least a 5 year period and allow him to grow away from the auction room environment.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by manchestermike on Apr 16, 2008 18:46:15 GMT 1, So hasn't the Neate sold, if so a very interesting result considering the estimate. Even though Suicide Bomber sold previously Neate shouldn't be even in these auctions yet. More careful selling required to people who will keep the pieces for at least a 5 year period and allow him to grow away from the auction room environment.
I agree, but how can you stop it?
So hasn't the Neate sold, if so a very interesting result considering the estimate. Even though Suicide Bomber sold previously Neate shouldn't be even in these auctions yet. More careful selling required to people who will keep the pieces for at least a 5 year period and allow him to grow away from the auction room environment. I agree, but how can you stop it? |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by dumpsuk on Apr 16, 2008 18:48:31 GMT 1, I was going to go to this, but backed out in the end. The Ol' CC stayed firmly in my pocket. Glad I didn't as was seriously tempted by the Micallef Head painting. Saw the HC print, wished I'd bagged it at that price. EB average price signed is 6-7k so someone got a real bargain, for the AP verifed by pest control.
I was going to go to this, but backed out in the end. The Ol' CC stayed firmly in my pocket. Glad I didn't as was seriously tempted by the Micallef Head painting. Saw the HC print, wished I'd bagged it at that price. EB average price signed is 6-7k so someone got a real bargain, for the AP verifed by pest control.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 16, 2008 18:48:47 GMT 1, So hasn't the Neate sold, if so a very interesting result considering the estimate. Even though Suicide Bomber sold previously Neate shouldn't be even in these auctions yet. More careful selling required to people who will keep the pieces for at least a 5 year period and allow him to grow away from the auction room environment.
I disagree. This auction (or how I perceive a 21st century auction) is supposed to represent the vanguard of today's art. Who better than Neate to do this? He's lightyears ahead of most others in the auction. Tracy Emin - WHO? Isn't she the bird that Hirst was doing? Whether this piece sells or not, it's one of the finest in the sale. Art investors may lean towards anything Banksy at the moment, but I dare say this piece would appeal just as much or moreso to many artlovers. The estimate may be off, or there may simply not be many buyers of his higher-end works there today. It could also be that people are apprehansive to see the content of his upcoming show before splashing out Β£50k+ on his work, with a show just around the corner.
So hasn't the Neate sold, if so a very interesting result considering the estimate. Even though Suicide Bomber sold previously Neate shouldn't be even in these auctions yet. More careful selling required to people who will keep the pieces for at least a 5 year period and allow him to grow away from the auction room environment. I disagree. This auction (or how I perceive a 21st century auction) is supposed to represent the vanguard of today's art. Who better than Neate to do this? He's lightyears ahead of most others in the auction. Tracy Emin - WHO? Isn't she the bird that Hirst was doing? Whether this piece sells or not, it's one of the finest in the sale. Art investors may lean towards anything Banksy at the moment, but I dare say this piece would appeal just as much or moreso to many artlovers. The estimate may be off, or there may simply not be many buyers of his higher-end works there today. It could also be that people are apprehansive to see the content of his upcoming show before splashing out Β£50k+ on his work, with a show just around the corner. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by RBK on Apr 16, 2008 18:49:47 GMT 1, I like the Suicide Bomber piece, but I actually prefer this one, Red Portrait. I'm very curious to see how high it gets, especiallly now that he has another show just around the corner. Beautiful painting!
Looks like it was 'bought in'. I know and like the seller so I've stayed mum up until this sale - but I thought the piece was weak, so I'm not surprised at all. Still just the beginning for Neate. Sure his upcoming show will blow people away. People doubted him and he dropped Paintings, Pots & Prints... enough said.
I like the Suicide Bomber piece, but I actually prefer this one, Red Portrait. I'm very curious to see how high it gets, especiallly now that he has another show just around the corner. Beautiful painting! Looks like it was 'bought in'. I know and like the seller so I've stayed mum up until this sale - but I thought the piece was weak, so I'm not surprised at all. Still just the beginning for Neate. Sure his upcoming show will blow people away. People doubted him and he dropped Paintings, Pots & Prints... enough said. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by deepheat on Apr 16, 2008 18:57:38 GMT 1, I won the Happy Choppers, still can't quite believe it. It just shows you never know what will happen at auction.
I won the Happy Choppers, still can't quite believe it. It just shows you never know what will happen at auction.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by manchestermike on Apr 16, 2008 18:59:08 GMT 1, I won the Happy Choppers, still can't quite believe it. It just shows you never know what will happen at auction.
Very nice!
Was the quality 100%?
I won the Happy Choppers, still can't quite believe it. It just shows you never know what will happen at auction. Very nice! Was the quality 100%? |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by doublehelix on Apr 16, 2008 19:02:23 GMT 1, I won the Happy Choppers, still can't quite believe it. It just shows you never know what will happen at auction.
Well done! Is it in mint condition?
I won the Happy Choppers, still can't quite believe it. It just shows you never know what will happen at auction. Well done! Is it in mint condition? |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by funyoung on Apr 16, 2008 19:03:35 GMT 1, Especially when they are Pest Control Verified. Doesn't get any more bulletproof in terms of provenance. We don't know what condition they were in though....below is a comment from RB who went to see what was for sale. On a side note - couldn't believe how shoddy some of the displays were - some of the prints were just covered in a sheet of plastic and attached to the wall with a bulldog clip and a nail.  That doesn't sound too good...
Just to clarify ... I too went and had a look on Monday.
The rats were in cheap frames but no visible damage.
The J&J had visible damage.
The Happy Choppers I believe was in a 'clip-frame'.
The stuff covered in plastic sheeting were the photographs unless RB saw something I didn't.
There were sheets of paper with a list of everything verified by Pest Control and other amendments.
Lot 369 ('fake' GWB) was just listed as withdrawn on the back.
Especially when they are Pest Control Verified. Doesn't get any more bulletproof in terms of provenance. We don't know what condition they were in though....below is a comment from RB who went to see what was for sale. On a side note - couldn't believe how shoddy some of the displays were - some of the prints were just covered in a sheet of plastic and attached to the wall with a bulldog clip and a nail. That doesn't sound too good... Just to clarify ... I too went and had a look on Monday. The rats were in cheap frames but no visible damage. The J&J had visible damage. The Happy Choppers I believe was in a 'clip-frame'. The stuff covered in plastic sheeting were the photographs unless RB saw something I didn't. There were sheets of paper with a list of everything verified by Pest Control and other amendments. Lot 369 ('fake' GWB) was just listed as withdrawn on the back. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 16, 2008 19:05:26 GMT 1, I won the Happy Choppers, still can't quite believe it. It just shows you never know what will happen at auction.
Congrat's! Looks like the steal of the day. Was it in mint condition? If it was it looks waaaay too good to be true! Beautiful!
I won the Happy Choppers, still can't quite believe it. It just shows you never know what will happen at auction. Congrat's! Looks like the steal of the day. Was it in mint condition? If it was it looks waaaay too good to be true! Beautiful! |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by funyoung on Apr 16, 2008 19:06:48 GMT 1, The 'love rat' is a stencil on wood not a print (I think Daz asked).
The HAND cut-out was in a black painted wood outline made from offcuts of wood nailed together and then held in place with screw-in eyelets.
The 'love rat' is a stencil on wood not a print (I think Daz asked).
The HAND cut-out was in a black painted wood outline made from offcuts of wood nailed together and then held in place with screw-in eyelets.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by dumpsuk on Apr 16, 2008 19:07:15 GMT 1, Hey deepheat, did you bid from the floor, absentee or phone?
Hey deepheat, did you bid from the floor, absentee or phone?
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by deepheat on Apr 16, 2008 19:07:30 GMT 1, The condition of it's fine. I do worry that when somethings too good to be true it is normally is, but with pest control prov and coming from Bonhams everything seems fine. Now to explain to the other half I've dropped 4k on a print.
The condition of it's fine. I do worry that when somethings too good to be true it is normally is, but with pest control prov and coming from Bonhams everything seems fine. Now to explain to the other half I've dropped 4k on a print.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by funyoung on Apr 16, 2008 19:07:59 GMT 1, Congrats DeepHeat.
Congrats DeepHeat.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by funyoung on Apr 16, 2008 19:08:44 GMT 1, Were you there?
Agree the Pest Control provenance does take a huge risk out of buying.
Were you there?
Agree the Pest Control provenance does take a huge risk out of buying.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by deepheat on Apr 16, 2008 19:09:28 GMT 1, Hey Dumps
I was on the floor, more of a day out really. Didn't expect to win anything.
Hey Dumps
I was on the floor, more of a day out really. Didn't expect to win anything.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Cocteau 101 on Apr 16, 2008 19:09:35 GMT 1, So hasn't the Neate sold, if so a very interesting result considering the estimate. Even though Suicide Bomber sold previously Neate shouldn't be even in these auctions yet. More careful selling required to people who will keep the pieces for at least a 5 year period and allow him to grow away from the auction room environment. I disagree. This auction (or how I perceive a 21st century auction) is supposed to represent the vanguard of today's art. Who better than Neate to do this? He's lightyears ahead of most others in the auction. Tracy Emin - WHO? Isn't she the bird that Hirst was doing? Whether this piece sells or not, it's one of the finest in the sale. Art investors may lean towards anything Banksy at the moment, but I dare say this piece would appeal just as much or moreso to many artlovers. The estimate may be off, or there may simply not be many buyers of his higher-end works there today. It could also be that people are apprehansive to see the content of his upcoming show before splashing out Β£50k+ on his work, with a show just around the corner.
It was a furniture and art sale, hardly a sale to place the vanguard of todays art.
Tracey Emin is an established artist and well established - not someone's bird.
The piece may well appeal to art lovers, that is not the point, early auction entry for an artist an be damaging to a career, the person selling may well have valid reasons and to be honest is probably a well respected member on here however I'm not sure an auction house is the right place for Neate currently, in 5 years fair enough after several "building" shows and wider exposure.
Interestingly you reference investors not collectors.
So hasn't the Neate sold, if so a very interesting result considering the estimate. Even though Suicide Bomber sold previously Neate shouldn't be even in these auctions yet. More careful selling required to people who will keep the pieces for at least a 5 year period and allow him to grow away from the auction room environment. I disagree. This auction (or how I perceive a 21st century auction) is supposed to represent the vanguard of today's art. Who better than Neate to do this? He's lightyears ahead of most others in the auction. Tracy Emin - WHO? Isn't she the bird that Hirst was doing? Whether this piece sells or not, it's one of the finest in the sale. Art investors may lean towards anything Banksy at the moment, but I dare say this piece would appeal just as much or moreso to many artlovers. The estimate may be off, or there may simply not be many buyers of his higher-end works there today. It could also be that people are apprehansive to see the content of his upcoming show before splashing out Β£50k+ on his work, with a show just around the corner. It was a furniture and art sale, hardly a sale to place the vanguard of todays art. Tracey Emin is an established artist and well established - not someone's bird. The piece may well appeal to art lovers, that is not the point, early auction entry for an artist an be damaging to a career, the person selling may well have valid reasons and to be honest is probably a well respected member on here however I'm not sure an auction house is the right place for Neate currently, in 5 years fair enough after several "building" shows and wider exposure. Interestingly you reference investors not collectors. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by robinbanks on Apr 16, 2008 19:10:49 GMT 1, Just got back from Bonham's. Have to say I'm surprised at how low some of the lots sold for. I think most of us were expecting all of the Banksy's to smash their estimates, but most sale prices were fairly conservative. The "Think Tank" did push through the Β£100k mark as I thought, but I still think that Β£130k for a piece of that size is a bargain for whoever bought it.
Biggest shock of the day has to be the Neate Red Portrait only getting bid up to Β£37k. Out of everything in the room that's the one piece I would have liked on my wall more than anything and I thought it would easily make the top estimate.
Not sure the reasons for the results, but the room wasn't as full as I thought it would be, and most of the big bids were coming from the phones.
BTW someone mentioned earlier about my comment on how shoddy the displays were (plastic covers and bulldog clips). As far as I know all the Banksy prints were in good condition apart from the J&J which had small creases in 2 corners.
Just got back from Bonham's. Have to say I'm surprised at how low some of the lots sold for. I think most of us were expecting all of the Banksy's to smash their estimates, but most sale prices were fairly conservative. The "Think Tank" did push through the Β£100k mark as I thought, but I still think that Β£130k for a piece of that size is a bargain for whoever bought it.
Biggest shock of the day has to be the Neate Red Portrait only getting bid up to Β£37k. Out of everything in the room that's the one piece I would have liked on my wall more than anything and I thought it would easily make the top estimate.
Not sure the reasons for the results, but the room wasn't as full as I thought it would be, and most of the big bids were coming from the phones.
BTW someone mentioned earlier about my comment on how shoddy the displays were (plastic covers and bulldog clips). As far as I know all the Banksy prints were in good condition apart from the J&J which had small creases in 2 corners.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 16, 2008 19:31:47 GMT 1, I disagree. This auction (or how I perceive a 21st century auction) is supposed to represent the vanguard of today's art. Who better than Neate to do this? He's lightyears ahead of most others in the auction. Tracy Emin - WHO? Isn't she the bird that Hirst was doing? Whether this piece sells or not, it's one of the finest in the sale. Art investors may lean towards anything Banksy at the moment, but I dare say this piece would appeal just as much or moreso to many artlovers. The estimate may be off, or there may simply not be many buyers of his higher-end works there today. It could also be that people are apprehansive to see the content of his upcoming show before splashing out Β£50k+ on his work, with a show just around the corner. It was a furniture and art sale, hardly a sale to place the vanguard of todays art. Tracey Emin is an established artist and well established - not someone's bird. The piece may well appeal to art lovers, that is not the point, early auction entry for an artist an be damaging to a career, the person selling may well have valid reasons and to be honest is probably a well respected member on here however I'm not sure an auction house is the right place for Neate currently, in 5 years fair enough after several "building" shows and wider exposure. Interestingly you reference investors not collectors.
Thanks for humouring me with a reply....
I am no expert, so perhaps what you're saying about Neate is correct and I should not have been so quick to argue, when I may well be wrong (I think a case of me jumping the gun when I was a bit disappointed that his painting didn't get enough interest to sell - defending my taste unnecesarily!). I have a lot of misgivings regarding Tracy Emin's talent, but again accept your point, bearing in mind that she been an award winner and exhibited at major galleries.
Regarding my use of the word investor, yes, I wanted to specify those who collect with a strong focus on investment rather than perhaps "smaller" collectors, focussed on their living room etc. However I readily accept that there is a huge Banksy following out there already, which includes respected collectors of fine art, which is less the case for Neate. I do still feel that perhaps the estimate was a little high or indeed the timing of this piece being included was not ideal for many buyers, who may be anxious to see how consistant his quality of product will be, come the show around the corner.
I disagree. This auction (or how I perceive a 21st century auction) is supposed to represent the vanguard of today's art. Who better than Neate to do this? He's lightyears ahead of most others in the auction. Tracy Emin - WHO? Isn't she the bird that Hirst was doing? Whether this piece sells or not, it's one of the finest in the sale. Art investors may lean towards anything Banksy at the moment, but I dare say this piece would appeal just as much or moreso to many artlovers. The estimate may be off, or there may simply not be many buyers of his higher-end works there today. It could also be that people are apprehansive to see the content of his upcoming show before splashing out Β£50k+ on his work, with a show just around the corner. It was a furniture and art sale, hardly a sale to place the vanguard of todays art. Tracey Emin is an established artist and well established - not someone's bird. The piece may well appeal to art lovers, that is not the point, early auction entry for an artist an be damaging to a career, the person selling may well have valid reasons and to be honest is probably a well respected member on here however I'm not sure an auction house is the right place for Neate currently, in 5 years fair enough after several "building" shows and wider exposure. Interestingly you reference investors not collectors. Thanks for humouring me with a reply.... I am no expert, so perhaps what you're saying about Neate is correct and I should not have been so quick to argue, when I may well be wrong (I think a case of me jumping the gun when I was a bit disappointed that his painting didn't get enough interest to sell - defending my taste unnecesarily!). I have a lot of misgivings regarding Tracy Emin's talent, but again accept your point, bearing in mind that she been an award winner and exhibited at major galleries. Regarding my use of the word investor, yes, I wanted to specify those who collect with a strong focus on investment rather than perhaps "smaller" collectors, focussed on their living room etc. However I readily accept that there is a huge Banksy following out there already, which includes respected collectors of fine art, which is less the case for Neate. I do still feel that perhaps the estimate was a little high or indeed the timing of this piece being included was not ideal for many buyers, who may be anxious to see how consistant his quality of product will be, come the show around the corner. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by sausageboonwee on Apr 16, 2008 19:32:20 GMT 1, Better not mention to anyone in the NW queue about today's Urban art market 'crash'!
Better not mention to anyone in the NW queue about today's Urban art market 'crash'!
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Cocteau 101 on Apr 16, 2008 19:37:35 GMT 1, Heavyconsumer, fair play mate. He needs 3 - 5 years of maturity before "investors" would begin to show any interest imo. It is a very strong piece out of the Neate canon of work but will cause shockwaves amongst collectors of his work to date due to the previously experienced acceleration in value unless they are prepared to hold the work as his output and fanbase matures.
Heavyconsumer, fair play mate. He needs 3 - 5 years of maturity before "investors" would begin to show any interest imo. It is a very strong piece out of the Neate canon of work but will cause shockwaves amongst collectors of his work to date due to the previously experienced acceleration in value unless they are prepared to hold the work as his output and fanbase matures.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by barry cilit on Apr 16, 2008 19:58:11 GMT 1, I think people are sitting on their hands and waiting to see his show next month to see what the prices will be.
Thought the street pieces sold for a good price?
I think people are sitting on their hands and waiting to see his show next month to see what the prices will be.
Thought the street pieces sold for a good price?
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by arcam on Apr 16, 2008 20:00:17 GMT 1, MONKEY QUEEN AND RATS UNSOLD!
The Rats did sell...
Gangsta Rat Sold for Β£4,200 plus Premium and tax
Welcome to Hell Sold for Β£3,600 plus Premium and tax
MONKEY QUEEN AND RATS UNSOLD! The Rats did sell... Gangsta Rat Sold for Β£4,200 plus Premium and tax Welcome to Hell Sold for Β£3,600 plus Premium and tax |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by leader999 on Apr 16, 2008 20:06:33 GMT 1, Can some one please upload the sales results just for the banksy pieces. and if you can please put weather they were signed or un-signed. I have a really crap computer and connection and i am pulling my hair out trying to find out...cheers
Can some one please upload the sales results just for the banksy pieces. and if you can please put weather they were signed or un-signed. I have a really crap computer and connection and i am pulling my hair out trying to find out...cheers
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