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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by randomname on Dec 19, 2016 17:24:14 GMT 1, You're welcome to disagree. There's nothing wrong with being wrong. Part of what makes great art great is originality. Kaws, while not my cup of tea, did something original. I don't think you would look at his work and say another artist did the exact same thing first. And in case you didn't notice, the Future Fossils by Bughouse were cast in concrete. Daniel copied the idea exactly, only leaving off the patina. Taking another artist's idea is not only unoriginal, it's dishonest and unethical. I find that collectors tend to mirror the ethics (or lack thereof) of the artists they collect more often than not. Ha. That's a pretty pompous claim when you're debating opinion. Please explain to me what KAWS or BANKSY did that's so original? Painting your character over adverts isn't exactly new and neither is making ironic social commentary using stencils. I mean KAWS admits his Companion and Chum characters are his take on Mickey Mouse and the Michelin man. Not original at all. In fact nothing is original anymore. Almost everything has been done and it's just a matter of time until someone unearths an artists source. There's a famous Einstein quote about that. I still think the future fossil series is crap and Daniel's execution is miles better. You can tell me I'm wrong about that, but you can't debate that almost all art is derivative in one form or another. The challenge/beauty lies in the execution and I'll stand by that.
The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best.
KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original.
Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original.
I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not.
You're welcome to disagree. There's nothing wrong with being wrong. Part of what makes great art great is originality. Kaws, while not my cup of tea, did something original. I don't think you would look at his work and say another artist did the exact same thing first. And in case you didn't notice, the Future Fossils by Bughouse were cast in concrete. Daniel copied the idea exactly, only leaving off the patina. Taking another artist's idea is not only unoriginal, it's dishonest and unethical. I find that collectors tend to mirror the ethics (or lack thereof) of the artists they collect more often than not. Ha. That's a pretty pompous claim when you're debating opinion. Please explain to me what KAWS or BANKSY did that's so original? Painting your character over adverts isn't exactly new and neither is making ironic social commentary using stencils. I mean KAWS admits his Companion and Chum characters are his take on Mickey Mouse and the Michelin man. Not original at all. In fact nothing is original anymore. Almost everything has been done and it's just a matter of time until someone unearths an artists source. There's a famous Einstein quote about that. I still think the future fossil series is crap and Daniel's execution is miles better. You can tell me I'm wrong about that, but you can't debate that almost all art is derivative in one form or another. The challenge/beauty lies in the execution and I'll stand by that. The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best. KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original. Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original. I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by dundun on Dec 19, 2016 19:27:28 GMT 1, Ha. That's a pretty pompous claim when you're debating opinion. Please explain to me what KAWS or BANKSY did that's so original? Painting your character over adverts isn't exactly new and neither is making ironic social commentary using stencils. I mean KAWS admits his Companion and Chum characters are his take on Mickey Mouse and the Michelin man. Not original at all. In fact nothing is original anymore. Almost everything has been done and it's just a matter of time until someone unearths an artists source. There's a famous Einstein quote about that. I still think the future fossil series is crap and Daniel's execution is miles better. You can tell me I'm wrong about that, but you can't debate that almost all art is derivative in one form or another. The challenge/beauty lies in the execution and I'll stand by that. The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best. KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original. Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original. I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not.
Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it." BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous.
Get a clue before you act like you know it all.
Ha. That's a pretty pompous claim when you're debating opinion. Please explain to me what KAWS or BANKSY did that's so original? Painting your character over adverts isn't exactly new and neither is making ironic social commentary using stencils. I mean KAWS admits his Companion and Chum characters are his take on Mickey Mouse and the Michelin man. Not original at all. In fact nothing is original anymore. Almost everything has been done and it's just a matter of time until someone unearths an artists source. There's a famous Einstein quote about that. I still think the future fossil series is crap and Daniel's execution is miles better. You can tell me I'm wrong about that, but you can't debate that almost all art is derivative in one form or another. The challenge/beauty lies in the execution and I'll stand by that. The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best. KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original. Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original. I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about man. Bottom line. So many NYC street artists were using cartoon characters for DECADES before KAWS(go pickup a copy of any Martha Cooper/Chalfant book). He was just the first one to have a key to the bus stops and put them on actual advertising. That's not original that's just finding a new way to do the old shit. You're helping prove my point. He did nothing that was groundbreaking. His execution where was the beauty was. His cartoon characters weren't even original as he's basically copying warhol's corporate branding as art. Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it." BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous. Get a clue before you act like you know it all. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by randomname on Dec 19, 2016 21:33:55 GMT 1, The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best. KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original. Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original. I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not. You have no f**kingclue what you're talking about man. Bottom line. So many NYC street artists were using cartoon characters for DECADES before KAWS(go pickup a copy of any Martha Cooper/Chalfant book). He was just the first one to have a key to the bus stops and put them on actual advertising. That's not original that's just finding a new way to do the olds**t. You're helping prove my point. He did nothing that was groundbreaking. His execution where was the beauty was. His cartoon characters weren't even original as he's basically copying warhol's corporate branding as art. Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it." BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous. Get a clue before you act like you know it all.
Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you.
And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work.
As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that.
The thing about opinions is that when they're based on false information, they will invariably be wrong. And your opinion is based on a complete lack of information at best. KAWS was the first artist to use cartoon characters to subvert outdoor advertising. That's original. He became a legend in NYC street art before street art was a thing. He transitioned that into abstract cartoon art in galleries, which was also original. Banksy was the first stencil artist doing social satire. He pioneered street art as we know it today. His art was a seismic shift from graffiti. He's probably the most imitated street artist of all time because his work was so original. I couldn't care less if Danny executed someone else's idea better than they did. It's not his idea. It's not even derivative. It's theft. But like I said, collectors tend to mirror the ethics of the artists they collect more often than not. You have no f**kingclue what you're talking about man. Bottom line. So many NYC street artists were using cartoon characters for DECADES before KAWS(go pickup a copy of any Martha Cooper/Chalfant book). He was just the first one to have a key to the bus stops and put them on actual advertising. That's not original that's just finding a new way to do the olds**t. You're helping prove my point. He did nothing that was groundbreaking. His execution where was the beauty was. His cartoon characters weren't even original as he's basically copying warhol's corporate branding as art. Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it." BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous. Get a clue before you act like you know it all. Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you. And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work. As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by lucky7 on Dec 19, 2016 22:24:52 GMT 1, There is no theft in art, everythings been done and steet art is the best example.
Plaster casts have existed for centuries.
Concepts like originality and copying have no place in art (see Duchamp. Then Warhol).
At best one should use the term derivative.
With Arsham its not a question of figure, form or technique, it's a question of concept (see Duchamp again) as it should be.
PS: The most famous artist in history was also the biggest asshole in history. So that's no argument either.
There is no theft in art, everythings been done and steet art is the best example.
Plaster casts have existed for centuries.
Concepts like originality and copying have no place in art (see Duchamp. Then Warhol).
At best one should use the term derivative.
With Arsham its not a question of figure, form or technique, it's a question of concept (see Duchamp again) as it should be.
PS: The most famous artist in history was also the biggest asshole in history. So that's no argument either.
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by dundun on Dec 19, 2016 22:45:33 GMT 1, You have no f**kingclue what you're talking about man. Bottom line. So many NYC street artists were using cartoon characters for DECADES before KAWS(go pickup a copy of any Martha Cooper/Chalfant book). He was just the first one to have a key to the bus stops and put them on actual advertising. That's not original that's just finding a new way to do the olds**t. You're helping prove my point. He did nothing that was groundbreaking. His execution where was the beauty was. His cartoon characters weren't even original as he's basically copying warhol's corporate branding as art. Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it." BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous. Get a clue before you act like you know it all. Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you. And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work. As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that.
You have no f**kingclue what you're talking about man. Bottom line. So many NYC street artists were using cartoon characters for DECADES before KAWS(go pickup a copy of any Martha Cooper/Chalfant book). He was just the first one to have a key to the bus stops and put them on actual advertising. That's not original that's just finding a new way to do the olds**t. You're helping prove my point. He did nothing that was groundbreaking. His execution where was the beauty was. His cartoon characters weren't even original as he's basically copying warhol's corporate branding as art. Before Banksy there was Blek Le Rat. Whom BANKSY even says, "Everytime I wanted to create something I found out Blek had already done it." BANKSY just did it better than Blek and so he's more famous. Get a clue before you act like you know it all. Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you. And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work. As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that. You're too stupid to realize that you're talking about KAWS' execution, not his ideas. If you really think he was the first person ever to paint his work on an ad you're either an idiot or just choose to believe what you want. And as far as the BANKSY, you're so far off base it's not even funny. BANKSY was obviously influenced by Blek because of the rats. Pretty big coincidence they're both known for their rats. Also Blek absolutely did political/social commentary. You should really shut the f**kup because you're looking talking our of your ass and makings**t up now. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by ferg on Dec 19, 2016 23:16:49 GMT 1, Clock on hold
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by randomname on Dec 19, 2016 23:43:08 GMT 1, Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you. And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work. As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that. You're too stupid to realize that you're talking about KAWS' execution, not his ideas. If you really think he was the first person ever to paint his work on an ad you're either an idiot or just choose to believe what you want. And as far as the BANKSY, you're so far off base it's not even funny. BANKSY was obviously influenced by Blek because of the rats. Pretty big coincidence they're both known for their rats. Also Blek absolutely did political/social commentary. You should really shut the f**kup because you're looking talking our of your ass and makings**t up now.
I feel like I'm talking to special kid losing his shít. Given your writing ability, or the lack thereof, I'm probably not far off.
Breaking into bus shelters and integrating your own art seamlessly into ads as if it belongs there is the idea. It's what connects one piece of his art to another. Individual pieces of work are executions. Specific Guess or Bebe ads are executions of the idea. Given your inability to form a coherent thought, I fully expect this to fly well over your head.
And back to Banksy, yes they both painted rats. Among many other things. Here's a thought exercise for you. Imagine you're in a large city at night painting images on the street. Look around. What do you see? Okay sorry, I know imagination isn't your thing so I'll spell it out for you. You see rats. It's not much of a coincidence that two artists would be influenced by similar environments. Even if that influence was expressed in vastly different ways.
Like I said, KAWS was the first to subvert outdoor advertising with cartoons. He integrated the characters into the ads as if they were meant to be there. That was an original idea. And that's why it resonated with so many people. Simply painting a cartoon on the wall is not the same thing. If you lack the intelligence to see the difference, I don't think I can help you. And like I said, Banksy was the first stencil artist to do social satire. Any resemblance to Blek's work is purely superficial. They both painted silhouettes with stencils, but the similarity stopped there. Blek's art was not political or satirical. He generally painted figures with no deeper meaning. Banksy's work resonates because there is an idea or statement behind most of his work. As far as the quote goes, that's this new thing called sarcasm. Blek was an obscure artist in another country who quit painting a decade before Banksy came along. It's highly unlikely that Banksy ever even heard of him. After Banksy became famous, Blek came out of the woodwork and has been riding his coattails ever since. A few mindless haters accused Banksy of stealing his style. Banksy was mocking them, knowing they're not bright enough to know when they're being mocked. Somehow I'm not surprised you didn't pick up on that. You're too stupid to realize that you're talking about KAWS' execution, not his ideas. If you really think he was the first person ever to paint his work on an ad you're either an idiot or just choose to believe what you want. And as far as the BANKSY, you're so far off base it's not even funny. BANKSY was obviously influenced by Blek because of the rats. Pretty big coincidence they're both known for their rats. Also Blek absolutely did political/social commentary. You should really shut the f**kup because you're looking talking our of your ass and makings**t up now. I feel like I'm talking to special kid losing his shít. Given your writing ability, or the lack thereof, I'm probably not far off. Breaking into bus shelters and integrating your own art seamlessly into ads as if it belongs there is the idea. It's what connects one piece of his art to another. Individual pieces of work are executions. Specific Guess or Bebe ads are executions of the idea. Given your inability to form a coherent thought, I fully expect this to fly well over your head. And back to Banksy, yes they both painted rats. Among many other things. Here's a thought exercise for you. Imagine you're in a large city at night painting images on the street. Look around. What do you see? Okay sorry, I know imagination isn't your thing so I'll spell it out for you. You see rats. It's not much of a coincidence that two artists would be influenced by similar environments. Even if that influence was expressed in vastly different ways. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Shoot Again on Dec 20, 2016 10:32:10 GMT 1, I finally got a shipping confirmation email 30mn ago, but still no refund nor email. Also the item was shipped via USPS whereas it should have been via UPS Worldwide Express Plus as mentioned in the order description...
I'm quoting myself  I was contacted by Daniel Arsham's team just few minutes ago, see below
"Yes we are working on adjusting the shipping costs and sending refunds for the difference in cost. You should receive the shipping refund later today. Thanks for your patience while we sort this out. There was some problem with the eBay sale this time and it charged everyone so much! We are fixing it!"
EDIT: I've just received a partial refund of $238, cool
I finally got a shipping confirmation email 30mn ago, but still no refund nor email. Also the item was shipped via USPS whereas it should have been via UPS Worldwide Express Plus as mentioned in the order description...
I'm quoting myself I was contacted by Daniel Arsham's team just few minutes ago, see below
"Yes we are working on adjusting the shipping costs and sending refunds for the difference in cost. You should receive the shipping refund later today. Thanks for your patience while we sort this out. There was some problem with the eBay sale this time and it charged everyone so much! We are fixing it!"
EDIT: I've just received a partial refund of $238, cool
I've now received a confirmation that my order has been dispatched and is on its way but I've had no mention of any possible partial refund of those shipping costs, neither from eBay nor from DA's Team ;-( May I ask all of you how to proceed and who exactly to reach out to to get this done ? Thank you |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Cutkillavince on Dec 20, 2016 11:00:06 GMT 1,
I'm quoting myself I was contacted by Daniel Arsham's team just few minutes ago, see below
"Yes we are working on adjusting the shipping costs and sending refunds for the difference in cost. You should receive the shipping refund later today. Thanks for your patience while we sort this out. There was some problem with the eBay sale this time and it charged everyone so much! We are fixing it!"
EDIT: I've just received a partial refund of $238, cool
I've now received a confirmation that my order has been dispatched and is on its way but I've had no mention of any possible partial refund of those shipping costs, neither from eBay nor from DA's Team ;-( May I ask all of you how to proceed and who exactly to reach out to to get this done ? Thank you Just sent you a PM 
I'm quoting myself I was contacted by Daniel Arsham's team just few minutes ago, see below
"Yes we are working on adjusting the shipping costs and sending refunds for the difference in cost. You should receive the shipping refund later today. Thanks for your patience while we sort this out. There was some problem with the eBay sale this time and it charged everyone so much! We are fixing it!"
EDIT: I've just received a partial refund of $238, cool
I've now received a confirmation that my order has been dispatched and is on its way but I've had no mention of any possible partial refund of those shipping costs, neither from eBay nor from DA's Team ;-( May I ask all of you how to proceed and who exactly to reach out to to get this done ? Thank you Just sent you a PM
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by urbanflik on Dec 20, 2016 21:56:19 GMT 1, If anyone has a big phone at that price I'm a buyer.
Thanks...(sorry op - bump)
If anyone has a big phone at that price I'm a buyer.
Thanks...(sorry op - bump)
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by ferg on Dec 20, 2016 22:14:39 GMT 1, Cassette on hold
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Shoot Again on Dec 21, 2016 9:05:11 GMT 1, Bad news for everybody that was bad mouting on Arsham Team (who supposedly didn't care about all of us) but more importantly very good news for those involved, they ACTUALLY DO REFUND YOU (PROMPTLY) PARTIALLY ($240) if you get in touch with them and nicely re-explain the situation ;-) Here is what I did, thanks to Cutkillavince who told me all about it ("Thank you mate again") which I reckon is worth being shared with all of you...
If your order was dispatched by USPS (like mine was) then contact the seller via eBay(you have the option on your eBay summary page) and explain your case (non US buyer, expansive shipping fees, change from UPS to USPS so you assume they found a solution with eBay to lower the shipping costs)
This is I wrote in the message : "Hi, I'm based in London UK and I had to pay $317.88 for the shipping costs. In the order description, it was mentioned it will be shipped via UPS Worldwide Express Plus. I know that some non-US customers already contacted you about this and you told them that you were working it out with eBay and hopefully can present a new option to lower the shipping cost. Today, I got a shipping confirmation notice from eBay and I can see that my item was shipped via USPS. So I assume, this is the cheaper option, however, I didn't get any news/reply about partial refund for the shipping costs. Could you please give me an update ? Many thanks in advance, Regards"
Refund came next day ! Happy Xmas everybody ;-)
Bad news for everybody that was bad mouting on Arsham Team (who supposedly didn't care about all of us) but more importantly very good news for those involved, they ACTUALLY DO REFUND YOU (PROMPTLY) PARTIALLY ($240) if you get in touch with them and nicely re-explain the situation ;-) Here is what I did, thanks to Cutkillavince who told me all about it ("Thank you mate again") which I reckon is worth being shared with all of you... If your order was dispatched by USPS (like mine was) then contact the seller via eBay(you have the option on your eBay summary page) and explain your case (non US buyer, expansive shipping fees, change from UPS to USPS so you assume they found a solution with eBay to lower the shipping costs) This is I wrote in the message : "Hi, I'm based in London UK and I had to pay $317.88 for the shipping costs. In the order description, it was mentioned it will be shipped via UPS Worldwide Express Plus. I know that some non-US customers already contacted you about this and you told them that you were working it out with eBay and hopefully can present a new option to lower the shipping cost. Today, I got a shipping confirmation notice from eBay and I can see that my item was shipped via USPS. So I assume, this is the cheaper option, however, I didn't get any news/reply about partial refund for the shipping costs. Could you please give me an update ? Many thanks in advance, Regards" Refund came next day ! Happy Xmas everybody ;-) |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by F*X on Dec 22, 2016 17:29:03 GMT 1, Bad news for everybody that was bad mouting on Arsham Team (who supposedly didn't care about all of us) but more importantly very good news for those involved, they ACTUALLY DO REFUND YOU (PROMPTLY) PARTIALLY ($240) if you get in touch with them and nicely re-explain the situation ;-) Here is what I did, thanks to Cutkillavince who told me all about it ("Thank you mate again") which I reckon is worth being shared with all of you... If your order was dispatched by USPS (like mine was) then contact the seller via eBay(you have the option on your eBay summary page) and explain your case (non US buyer, expansive shipping fees, change from UPS to USPS so you assume they found a solution with eBay to lower the shipping costs) This is I wrote in the message : "Hi, I'm based in London UK and I had to pay $317.88 for the shipping costs. In the order description, it was mentioned it will be shipped via UPS Worldwide Express Plus. I know that some non-US customers already contacted you about this and you told them that you were working it out with eBay and hopefully can present a new option to lower the shipping cost. Today, I got a shipping confirmation notice from eBay and I can see that my item was shipped via USPS. So I assume, this is the cheaper option, however, I didn't get any news/reply about partial refund for the shipping costs. Could you please give me an update ? Many thanks in advance, Regards" Refund came next day ! Happy Xmas everybody ;-)
Bad news for everybody that was bad mouting on Arsham Team (who supposedly didn't care about all of us) but more importantly very good news for those involved, they ACTUALLY DO REFUND YOU (PROMPTLY) PARTIALLY ($240) if you get in touch with them and nicely re-explain the situation ;-) Here is what I did, thanks to Cutkillavince who told me all about it ("Thank you mate again") which I reckon is worth being shared with all of you... If your order was dispatched by USPS (like mine was) then contact the seller via eBay(you have the option on your eBay summary page) and explain your case (non US buyer, expansive shipping fees, change from UPS to USPS so you assume they found a solution with eBay to lower the shipping costs) This is I wrote in the message : "Hi, I'm based in London UK and I had to pay $317.88 for the shipping costs. In the order description, it was mentioned it will be shipped via UPS Worldwide Express Plus. I know that some non-US customers already contacted you about this and you told them that you were working it out with eBay and hopefully can present a new option to lower the shipping cost. Today, I got a shipping confirmation notice from eBay and I can see that my item was shipped via USPS. So I assume, this is the cheaper option, however, I didn't get any news/reply about partial refund for the shipping costs. Could you please give me an update ? Many thanks in advance, Regards" Refund came next day ! Happy Xmas everybody ;-) Thanks for the tip. I dropped Arsham studios a note via e-Bay received a refund within hours. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by kel on Dec 22, 2016 17:56:13 GMT 1, Shoot Again great news and for all those that managed to grab one.
To be fair they didn't really have an option but for those that took the gamble it has paid off. Surprised me as watching his social media profiles he has come across as a right c*nt when people were questioning his rip off charges.
Still do not buy the fact that the shipping charges were out of their control they would have had direct dialogue with eBay over this release and agreed rates before the drop.
Shoot Again great news and for all those that managed to grab one. To be fair they didn't really have an option but for those that took the gamble it has paid off. Surprised me as watching his social media profiles he has come across as a right c*nt when people were questioning his rip off charges. Still do not buy the fact that the shipping charges were out of their control they would have had direct dialogue with eBay over this release and agreed rates before the drop.
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Graham H on Dec 22, 2016 18:10:47 GMT 1, Just to advise i used the method explained above by Shoot Again and within 6 hours i had received a $200 shipping refund.
Thanks for the heads up Shoot.. an early xmas present for me!
G
Just to advise i used the method explained above by Shoot Again and within 6 hours i had received a $200 shipping refund. Thanks for the heads up Shoot.. an early xmas present for me! G |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Cutkillavince on Dec 23, 2016 11:17:43 GMT 1, Great news that you all got a refund
Great news that you all got a refund |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by grief on Dec 23, 2016 11:55:35 GMT 1, Just imagine how many customers dont know about this info and eat up the shipping costs.
Just imagine how many customers dont know about this info and eat up the shipping costs.
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by kendo on Dec 23, 2016 12:01:34 GMT 1, Partial shipping fund here as well 
I agree they had little option but fair play to them for getting a decent reduction!
Partial shipping fund here as well I agree they had little option but fair play to them for getting a decent reduction! |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Flashback on Dec 23, 2016 12:18:58 GMT 1, Just imagine how many customers dont know about this info and eat up the shipping costs.
Just imagine how many customers dont know about this info and eat up the shipping costs. To be honest, nobody should have to ask for a refund after they agreed to refund the first person that contacted them. They should refund everyone after that point. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Catman 74 on Dec 23, 2016 15:40:56 GMT 1, I contacted them 3 days ago..they said they will but still no refund.. So not everyone's happy..
I contacted them 3 days ago..they said they will but still no refund.. So not everyone's happy..
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Rochebm on Dec 27, 2016 6:04:06 GMT 1, Looking for relic 01 or 02 (mobile or camera)
Looking for relic 01 or 02 (mobile or camera)
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Catman 74 on Dec 29, 2016 18:10:36 GMT 1, Hi guys..how many buyers from UK have already received the relic and the partial refund for the shipping? I've already sent 2 emails about the refund and they said everyone will be refunded (that was more than a week ago)..also no relic just yet although I got an email with the tracking number and with delivery estimate around 20th of December but still nothing.. Anyone else in the same situation?
Thanks guys.
Cat
Hi guys..how many buyers from UK have already received the relic and the partial refund for the shipping? I've already sent 2 emails about the refund and they said everyone will be refunded (that was more than a week ago)..also no relic just yet although I got an email with the tracking number and with delivery estimate around 20th of December but still nothing.. Anyone else in the same situation?
Thanks guys.
Cat
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by F*X on Dec 30, 2016 10:25:37 GMT 1, Hi guys..how many buyers from UK have already received the relic and the partial refund for the shipping? I've already sent 2 emails about the refund and they said everyone will be refunded (that was more than a week ago)..also no relic just yet although I got an email with the tracking number and with delivery estimate around 20th of December but still nothing.. Anyone else in the same situation? Thanks guys. Cat
My relic was ready for collection at parcel force dept on the 24th finally picked it up yesterday. Refund also received, as previous post.
Hi guys..how many buyers from UK have already received the relic and the partial refund for the shipping? I've already sent 2 emails about the refund and they said everyone will be refunded (that was more than a week ago)..also no relic just yet although I got an email with the tracking number and with delivery estimate around 20th of December but still nothing.. Anyone else in the same situation? Thanks guys. Cat Hi Catman My relic was ready for collection at parcel force dept on the 24th finally picked it up yesterday. Refund also received, as previous post. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Catman 74 on Dec 30, 2016 10:42:26 GMT 1, Hi guys..how many buyers from UK have already received the relic and the partial refund for the shipping? I've already sent 2 emails about the refund and they said everyone will be refunded (that was more than a week ago)..also no relic just yet although I got an email with the tracking number and with delivery estimate around 20th of December but still nothing.. Anyone else in the same situation? Thanks guys. Cat Hi Catman My relic was ready for collection at parcel force dept on the 24th finally picked it up yesterday. Refund also received, as previous post.
Thank you buddy.. I guess I just need to be patient..
Hi guys..how many buyers from UK have already received the relic and the partial refund for the shipping? I've already sent 2 emails about the refund and they said everyone will be refunded (that was more than a week ago)..also no relic just yet although I got an email with the tracking number and with delivery estimate around 20th of December but still nothing.. Anyone else in the same situation? Thanks guys. Cat Hi Catman My relic was ready for collection at parcel force dept on the 24th finally picked it up yesterday. Refund also received, as previous post. Thank you buddy.. I guess I just need to be patient.. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Poster Bob on Dec 30, 2016 14:21:13 GMT 1, Same deal. I received only one of the two I ordered, the shipping label was missing letters of the town name, didn't include the state, and the zip code appeared in the format "1 3 5" instead of "12345". Amazing.
Hi guys..how many buyers from UK have already received the relic and the partial refund for the shipping? I've already sent 2 emails about the refund and they said everyone will be refunded (that was more than a week ago)..also no relic just yet although I got an email with the tracking number and with delivery estimate around 20th of December but still nothing.. Anyone else in the same situation? Thanks guys. Cat not in the UK but i live less than 45 minutes from where it was being shipped and mine finally arrived today. shipping label was created on december 9th and it was actually shipped on december 15th. then it was sent to three different post offices for delivery, post offices in wrong cities and counties. finally arrived today. i noticed that they didn't enter in the last 3 digits of my zip code on the label and there was a mark on the barcode which probably lead to the scanner sending it to the wrong places. the post office added a sticker on top that reads "Zip codes help speed delivery of the mail"... haha
Same deal. I received only one of the two I ordered, the shipping label was missing letters of the town name, didn't include the state, and the zip code appeared in the format "1 3 5" instead of "12345". Amazing. Hi guys..how many buyers from UK have already received the relic and the partial refund for the shipping? I've already sent 2 emails about the refund and they said everyone will be refunded (that was more than a week ago)..also no relic just yet although I got an email with the tracking number and with delivery estimate around 20th of December but still nothing.. Anyone else in the same situation? Thanks guys. Cat not in the UK but i live less than 45 minutes from where it was being shipped and mine finally arrived today. shipping label was created on december 9th and it was actually shipped on december 15th. then it was sent to three different post offices for delivery, post offices in wrong cities and counties. finally arrived today. i noticed that they didn't enter in the last 3 digits of my zip code on the label and there was a mark on the barcode which probably lead to the scanner sending it to the wrong places. the post office added a sticker on top that reads "Zip codes help speed delivery of the mail"... haha |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Catman 74 on Dec 30, 2016 18:28:24 GMT 1, And I just got a letter from Parcelforce that I need to pay 95 pounds vat and customs duty in order to have the parcel released.. This is a joke..
And I just got a letter from Parcelforce that I need to pay 95 pounds vat and customs duty in order to have the parcel released.. This is a joke..
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Cutkillavince on Dec 30, 2016 18:33:28 GMT 1, And I just got a letter from Parcelforce that I need to pay 95 pounds vat and customs duty in order to have the parcel released.. This is a joke..
And I just got a letter from Parcelforce that I need to pay 95 pounds vat and customs duty in order to have the parcel released.. This is a joke.. Ouch... |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by delano on Dec 30, 2016 21:17:41 GMT 1, Two emails to Futurerelic at eBay have been ignored.
The shipping method has been changed back to UPS Worldwide Express Plus. Although at one point is stated USPS.
No refund & I am yet to receive the piece.
Shoddy, shocking, greedy, ignorant & arrogant.
Two emails to Futurerelic at eBay have been ignored.
The shipping method has been changed back to UPS Worldwide Express Plus. Although at one point is stated USPS.
No refund & I am yet to receive the piece.
Shoddy, shocking, greedy, ignorant & arrogant.
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by F*X on Dec 31, 2016 9:20:33 GMT 1, And I just got a letter from Parcelforce that I need to pay 95 pounds vat and customs duty in order to have the parcel released.. This is a joke..
I would suggest completing the import duty form and try and get a partial refund.
And I just got a letter from Parcelforce that I need to pay 95 pounds vat and customs duty in order to have the parcel released.. This is a joke.. Charges are very random relic 6 cost me £14 in charges. Relic 4 cost over £100. I would suggest completing the import duty form and try and get a partial refund. |
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Daniel Arsham 🇺🇸 New York • Eroded Future Relic, by Cutkillavince on Jan 3, 2017 13:08:13 GMT 1, And I just got a letter from Parcelforce that I need to pay 95 pounds vat and customs duty in order to have the parcel released.. This is a joke..
And I just got a letter from Parcelforce that I need to pay 95 pounds vat and customs duty in order to have the parcel released.. This is a joke.. Mine will arrive this afternoon (I'm in the Netherlands) and I need to pay 42Euros for the custom fees, not too bad as I was expecting 100-110Euros |
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I was contacted by Daniel Arsham's team just few minutes ago, see below
