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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Lroy on Feb 26, 2015 14:49:55 GMT 1, Give his opinion or express it on a forum, it is great and normal too (this is the purpose of a forum)...
The problem is that some people are so haughty and without tolerance, that they prefer to block people - to the slightest contradiction - rather than having to read or comment a point of view, when they disagree or just because they don't like some persons
This is a special forum with a " block button " proper to facebook( kids ) . Only harassment and hatred should be blocked, not ideas, nor weird things. We are all weirdos, I guess , and we have all our proper madness or obsessions. humans, what 
Give his opinion or express it on a forum, it is great and normal too (this is the purpose of a forum)... The problem is that some people are so haughty and without tolerance, that they prefer to block people - to the slightest contradiction - rather than having to read or comment a point of view, when they disagree or just because they don't like some persons This is a special forum with a " block button " proper to facebook( kids ) . Only harassment and hatred should be blocked, not ideas, nor weird things. We are all weirdos, I guess , and we have all our proper madness or obsessions. humans, what |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 14:49:57 GMT 1, The thing is. Which is more powerful?
Banksy making the art stencilling in Palestine, or someone like Gerald Scarfe in the newspapers?
The thing is. Which is more powerful?
Banksy making the art stencilling in Palestine, or someone like Gerald Scarfe in the newspapers?
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Rouen Cathedral on Feb 26, 2015 14:50:44 GMT 1, Good stuff Now here's the question. Does everyone 100% believe 'Banksy' actually goes and paints all these pieces? I'm sure he was there and did the pieces.
Obviously with a team and some diplomatic go betweening in order to be able to do the art there.
It's interesting to think about.
If what you say is true why show the 'illegal' tunnels, why make it seem so dangerous, etc. is it all just a 'show'?
Good stuff Now here's the question. Does everyone 100% believe 'Banksy' actually goes and paints all these pieces? I'm sure he was there and did the pieces.
Obviously with a team and some diplomatic go betweening in order to be able to do the art there.
It's interesting to think about. If what you say is true why show the 'illegal' tunnels, why make it seem so dangerous, etc. is it all just a 'show'? |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 14:55:28 GMT 1, I'm sure he was there and did the pieces.
Obviously with a team and some diplomatic go betweening in order to be able to do the art there.
It's interesting to think about. If what you say is true why show the 'illegal' tunnels, why make it seem so dangerous, etc. is it all just a 'show'?
Banksy is an artist not a politician (yet) or journalist and the tunnels used to get goods into Palestine and be able to leave Palestine a valid point.
The video is about his art bringing attention to Palestine.
I'm sure he was there and did the pieces.
Obviously with a team and some diplomatic go betweening in order to be able to do the art there.
It's interesting to think about. If what you say is true why show the 'illegal' tunnels, why make it seem so dangerous, etc. is it all just a 'show'?
Banksy is an artist not a politician (yet) or journalist and the tunnels used to get goods into Palestine and be able to leave Palestine a valid point.
The video is about his art bringing attention to Palestine.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:00:19 GMT 1,
The way I see it is that some factions in Israel have been squeezing and provoking the Palestinians for years.
Some see it as wanting to drive the Palestinians into the sea.
The Palestinian people are victims of their own leaders as well who profit from this ongoing war with Israel.
The West is to blame too for not recognising palestine as a sovereign state and creating democratic elections and also keeping Israel from expanding it's borders.
Some say that Israel has the right to exist because some guy called Moses and others said so.
Some say that Palestine has no right because some old religious book doesnt include them and history type people say that palestine wa snever a country.
Well big deal.
Neither was the USA ever the property of Europeans and neither was Oztralia the property of English convicts.
The Palestinians do own their land because they have lived there for centuries and established ownership.
Israel also has the right to exist today and is not going away.
So unless the big boys in the West start knocking some heads together and establish a peaceful solution, then more innocents and children will be slaughtered.
Kosovo was recognised. Israel was recognised and so should Palestine be recognised.
Kosovo isnt wholly recognised though it is Ploppi- why is this ?
The way I see it is that some factions in Israel have been squeezing and provoking the Palestinians for years.
Some see it as wanting to drive the Palestinians into the sea.
The Palestinian people are victims of their own leaders as well who profit from this ongoing war with Israel.
The West is to blame too for not recognising palestine as a sovereign state and creating democratic elections and also keeping Israel from expanding it's borders.
Some say that Israel has the right to exist because some guy called Moses and others said so.
Some say that Palestine has no right because some old religious book doesnt include them and history type people say that palestine wa snever a country.
Well big deal.
Neither was the USA ever the property of Europeans and neither was Oztralia the property of English convicts.
The Palestinians do own their land because they have lived there for centuries and established ownership.
Israel also has the right to exist today and is not going away.
So unless the big boys in the West start knocking some heads together and establish a peaceful solution, then more innocents and children will be slaughtered.
Kosovo was recognised. Israel was recognised and so should Palestine be recognised.
Kosovo isnt wholly recognised though it is Ploppi- why is this ? Propaganda, Blair, Clinton |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:00:40 GMT 1, The thing is. Which is more powerful?
Banksy making the art stencilling in Palestine, or someone like Gerald Scarfe in the newspapers?
I haven't read a newspaper in ages. I suspect many others aren't either. I lump newspapers in with the BBC, CNN, and (to an extent) Al Jazeera, the mainstream media pile. So for me, Banksy's (and others) work is more powerful.
Though that image is very disturbing and thought provoking as well. Brings a whole new meaning to "just another brick in the wall." What happens when you are just the mortar in the wall?
The thing is. Which is more powerful?
Banksy making the art stencilling in Palestine, or someone like Gerald Scarfe in the newspapers?
I haven't read a newspaper in ages. I suspect many others aren't either. I lump newspapers in with the BBC, CNN, and (to an extent) Al Jazeera, the mainstream media pile. So for me, Banksy's (and others) work is more powerful.
Though that image is very disturbing and thought provoking as well. Brings a whole new meaning to "just another brick in the wall." What happens when you are just the mortar in the wall?
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:08:29 GMT 1, Kosovo isnt wholly recognised though it is Ploppi- why is this ? Propaganda, Blair, Clinton
5 member states of the EU dont recognise Kosovo, in the wider context , half the world does not recognise it -including, importantly, Israel
Kosovo isnt wholly recognised though it is Ploppi- why is this ? Propaganda, Blair, Clinton 5 member states of the EU dont recognise Kosovo, in the wider context , half the world does not recognise it -including, importantly, Israel |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by llkoolj on Feb 26, 2015 15:30:50 GMT 1, Does anybody not think in this current climate it was a little silly to stoke the fire ? People generally don't see the difference between anti Israel and anti-Semitic.
I am not pro Israel for a second but this kind of one sided info is wrong
Does anybody not think in this current climate it was a little silly to stoke the fire ? People generally don't see the difference between anti Israel and anti-Semitic.
I am not pro Israel for a second but this kind of one sided info is wrong |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by DOH on Feb 26, 2015 15:40:13 GMT 1, Does anybody not think in this current climate it was a little silly to stoke the fire ? People generally don't see the difference between anti Israel and anti-Semitic.
I am not pro Israel for a second but this kind of one sided info is wrong
Does anybody not think in this current climate it was a little silly to stoke the fire ? People generally don't see the difference between anti Israel and anti-Semitic.
I am not pro Israel for a second but this kind of one sided info is wrong Agreed, taking into account the recent deeply upsetting incidents in Paris, Copenhagen etc. I also feel it's rather irresponsible. |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by llkoolj on Feb 26, 2015 15:43:57 GMT 1, Agreed but it a simple propaganda video that most as you say idiots not worth talking about believe without understanding the full picture.
Agreed but it a simple propaganda video that most as you say idiots not worth talking about believe without understanding the full picture.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by DOH on Feb 26, 2015 15:46:33 GMT 1, Agreed but it a simple propaganda video that most as you say idiots not worth talking about believe without understanding the full picture.
Yup, and those "idiots" are sadly the ones we need to worry about.
Agreed but it a simple propaganda video that most as you say idiots not worth talking about believe without understanding the full picture.
Yup, and those "idiots" are sadly the ones we need to worry about.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by minibear on Feb 26, 2015 16:08:51 GMT 1, Does anybody not think in this current climate it was a little silly to stoke the fire ? People generally don't see the difference between anti Israel and anti-Semitic.
I am not pro Israel for a second but this kind of one sided info is wrong
Yes, the video is one-sided, but the truth is it would be nigh impossible to produce anything with a semblance of this misery on the other side of the wall.
I see the difference between anti-Israel and anti-semetic. Do I think artist's or opinion formers should hold back their thinking in the wake of such atrocities as Hebdo? No. If anything, the conversations should be increased to allow better education on the human crisis that's going on.
Does anybody not think in this current climate it was a little silly to stoke the fire ? People generally don't see the difference between anti Israel and anti-Semitic.
I am not pro Israel for a second but this kind of one sided info is wrong The obvious retort would be that the mainstream media that serves the general Population has propagated the West's cause for years, if not decades. Someone to take a position on a video like this as propaganda and 'stoking the fire' is pretty moot. The fire is there, it is burning with no sign of being put out, and all the while mainstream media attention is being diverted elsewhere (purposefully). Yes, the video is one-sided, but the truth is it would be nigh impossible to produce anything with a semblance of this misery on the other side of the wall. I see the difference between anti-Israel and anti-semetic. Do I think artist's or opinion formers should hold back their thinking in the wake of such atrocities as Hebdo? No. If anything, the conversations should be increased to allow better education on the human crisis that's going on. |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by sakyamuni on Feb 26, 2015 16:28:30 GMT 1, A few facts: Kosovo is recognized by 110 States (on 193), and Israel is recognized by the vast majority of States but the international community does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, just like any territory annexed after 1967. These territories include Gaza. It is important to distinguish occupied territories (no international recognition) and other palestinian areas like Naplouse or Ramallah, where the tension is much lower and the freedom of movement easier.
Israel left Gaza in 2005 but maintained a strict control on the movements in and out of the Gaza strip. Air space and coastal waters remained under Israel's control. With the exception of Rafah, all the official entrance in Gaza is under Israelian control. Rafah border post was under the control of Egypt and Israel until 2005, and after Israel left, the palestinian authority shared the control of the border site. After Hamas won the election in 2007, Egypt closed this border and therefore locked Gaza. This border post remain under strict control, often closed by Egypt, more and more recently, due to the risk of terrorist attacks in egyptian soil coming from Gaza.
And neither Israel, Egypt or the Hamas authorities are ready for a change... As a result, civilian populations in Gaza are suffering and are not allowed to escape or receive support from outside. Welcome to hell...
A few facts: Kosovo is recognized by 110 States (on 193), and Israel is recognized by the vast majority of States but the international community does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, just like any territory annexed after 1967. These territories include Gaza. It is important to distinguish occupied territories (no international recognition) and other palestinian areas like Naplouse or Ramallah, where the tension is much lower and the freedom of movement easier.
Israel left Gaza in 2005 but maintained a strict control on the movements in and out of the Gaza strip. Air space and coastal waters remained under Israel's control. With the exception of Rafah, all the official entrance in Gaza is under Israelian control. Rafah border post was under the control of Egypt and Israel until 2005, and after Israel left, the palestinian authority shared the control of the border site. After Hamas won the election in 2007, Egypt closed this border and therefore locked Gaza. This border post remain under strict control, often closed by Egypt, more and more recently, due to the risk of terrorist attacks in egyptian soil coming from Gaza.
And neither Israel, Egypt or the Hamas authorities are ready for a change... As a result, civilian populations in Gaza are suffering and are not allowed to escape or receive support from outside. Welcome to hell...
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 16:41:25 GMT 1, The truth is that Israel has a long reach and power globally where it matters, in politics, and other places.
Palestine has none.
Tribalism in that part of the world doesn't help either.
The truth is that Israel has a long reach and power globally where it matters, in politics, and other places.
Palestine has none.
Tribalism in that part of the world doesn't help either.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 17:15:57 GMT 1, good. dialogue is sorely needed in this world
edit: just took a look. unfortunately, that looks more like some personal attacks being thrown back and forth, and not a conversation. ugh
good. dialogue is sorely needed in this world edit: just took a look. unfortunately, that looks more like some personal attacks being thrown back and forth, and not a conversation. ugh |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by rioja on Feb 26, 2015 17:17:27 GMT 1, & now this... 
& now this... I believe this piece is called 'All Around The Watch Tower'. |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 17:32:09 GMT 1, The truth is that Israel has a long reach and power globally where it matters, in politics, and other places. Palestine has none. Tribalism in that part of the world doesn't help either. "tribalism in that part of the world doesn't help either" can you please elaborate?? I really am struggling to understand all these middle east experts coming up with assumptions or false information/conclusions.
The truth is that Israel has a long reach and power globally where it matters, in politics, and other places. Palestine has none. Tribalism in that part of the world doesn't help either. "tribalism in that part of the world doesn't help either" can you please elaborate?? I really am struggling to understand all these middle east experts coming up with assumptions or false information/conclusions. tribalism as opposed to just people who have the right to live in peace without having primitive ideologies forced on them from a Young age. |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 17:40:44 GMT 1, I don't see this as taking a nation's side; simply siding with "the powerless" in general. You can just as easily view it as commentary on the relationship between Hamas and the non-militant civilian population of Gaza.
I don't see this as taking a nation's side; simply siding with "the powerless" in general. You can just as easily view it as commentary on the relationship between Hamas and the non-militant civilian population of Gaza.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 17:43:42 GMT 1, Does anybody not think in this current climate it was a little silly to stoke the fire ? People generally don't see the difference between anti Israel and anti-Semitic.
I am not pro Israel for a second but this kind of one sided info is wrong I'm pro Israel existing as a country. Israel exists and it's not going anywhere.
I'm also pro Palestine existing as a country on equal terms.
Of course some say to exist side by side peacefully each countries leadership would have to be replaced or make peace and move forward not look at the past.
Banksy wrote " If we wash our hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless we side with the powerful, we don't remain neutral"
Is he referring as well to the very very rich people running Palestine who are worth millions if not billions while Palestinians are trapped in poverty.
It's like the Cuba , America thing where Castro is worth millions while Cubans have nothing.
Does anybody not think in this current climate it was a little silly to stoke the fire ? People generally don't see the difference between anti Israel and anti-Semitic.
I am not pro Israel for a second but this kind of one sided info is wrong I'm pro Israel existing as a country. Israel exists and it's not going anywhere.
I'm also pro Palestine existing as a country on equal terms.
Of course some say to exist side by side peacefully each countries leadership would have to be replaced or make peace and move forward not look at the past.
Banksy wrote " If we wash our hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless we side with the powerful, we don't remain neutral"
Is he referring as well to the very very rich people running Palestine who are worth millions if not billions while Palestinians are trapped in poverty.
It's like the Cuba , America thing where Castro is worth millions while Cubans have nothing.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Lroy on Feb 26, 2015 17:44:16 GMT 1, A lot, a big %, in this world, doesn't see any differences. And make the amalgam, prefering using shortcuts - since decades now. It is more easy to hate than to love.
In brief, Without to bo manichean, in any order :
The Good/The Bad... The Rich/The Poor, Occident/Orient , Israel/Palestine, Religion/noreligion, Suburb/town, etc...
Between, a wall, walls of incomprehension, misunderstandings, mistakes, ignorance, contempt, contradictions.
War.
A reality.
Exchange the weapons and it will be the same.
Politics are to blame too
At the source, Israel, the " Invader " and Palestine, the victim- I'm simplifying and I am not agree at all about this simplist version. Nobody could not understand this war, apart people attached and loved their proper land of birth.
That's why there is attacks, more and more in occident too, that's why some teens are going to fight in Syria, that is why most guys of the suburbs and of some countries hate Jewish people. Shortcuts, only shortcuts.
The reality also.
Banksy ( very courageous action ) had to help Kids of Gaza, and it s a great cause, in the other side, too many people hate Israรซl, and It and it might endorse some simplistic minds ready to fight all the jewish people all over the world.
A lot, a big %, in this world, doesn't see any differences. And make the amalgam, prefering using shortcuts - since decades now. It is more easy to hate than to love.
In brief, Without to bo manichean, in any order :
The Good/The Bad... The Rich/The Poor, Occident/Orient , Israel/Palestine, Religion/noreligion, Suburb/town, etc...
Between, a wall, walls of incomprehension, misunderstandings, mistakes, ignorance, contempt, contradictions.
War.
A reality.
Exchange the weapons and it will be the same.
Politics are to blame too
At the source, Israel, the " Invader " and Palestine, the victim- I'm simplifying and I am not agree at all about this simplist version. Nobody could not understand this war, apart people attached and loved their proper land of birth.
That's why there is attacks, more and more in occident too, that's why some teens are going to fight in Syria, that is why most guys of the suburbs and of some countries hate Jewish people. Shortcuts, only shortcuts.
The reality also.
Banksy ( very courageous action ) had to help Kids of Gaza, and it s a great cause, in the other side, too many people hate Israรซl, and It and it might endorse some simplistic minds ready to fight all the jewish people all over the world.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 17:53:15 GMT 1, tribalism as opposed to just people who have the right to live in peace without having primitive ideologies forced on them from a Young age. are you serious??? primitive ideologies?? tribalism??? forced?? can you please elaborate on your point as i can only see a deliberate attempt to offend rather than any sort of opinion based on truth or fact.
tribalism as opposed to just people who have the right to live in peace without having primitive ideologies forced on them from a Young age. are you serious??? primitive ideologies?? tribalism??? forced?? can you please elaborate on your point as i can only see a deliberate attempt to offend rather than any sort of opinion based on truth or fact. If that offended you, then you may be in the wrong place. |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 17:59:31 GMT 1, tribalism as opposed to just people who have the right to live in peace without having primitive ideologies forced on them from a Young age. are you serious??? primitive ideologies?? tribalism??? forced?? can you please elaborate on your point as i can only see a deliberate attempt to offend rather than any sort of opinion based on truth or fact. history goes back further than the creation of Israel and the last 60 years, jews muslims and christians lived side by side in peace for hundreds or thousands of years all across the middle east and north africa all of which being majority muslim countries. while jews were being murdered and persecuted in Europe they were welcomed and protected by the same people you call primative . We are all tribal, just look at football fans and their behaviour when in a herd or crowd.
Plenty of people were murdered for no good reason.
Why do you think Latin america is called Latin America by some?
I wasn't using tribalism in any racist way and if people don't believe tribalism exists today they are blind.
Mixing primtive ideologies with modern technology is not always a good thing.
Pritive ideology being all the mainstream religions becaus ethats all religions really are, ideologies and people who say that athiests killed more than religions did or just a smany. thats true.
Athiests driven by ideologies killed just a smany as people driven by religious ideologies.
Todays bullshit PC world means that people driven by hatred and racism ca hide behind their religion and quote from whichever passage in whichever book suits them.
and yes religious fantacism shouldn't be forced onto children as it's indoctrination and people should be free to choose what religion or none they want to follow when they are adults.
tribalism as opposed to just people who have the right to live in peace without having primitive ideologies forced on them from a Young age. are you serious??? primitive ideologies?? tribalism??? forced?? can you please elaborate on your point as i can only see a deliberate attempt to offend rather than any sort of opinion based on truth or fact. history goes back further than the creation of Israel and the last 60 years, jews muslims and christians lived side by side in peace for hundreds or thousands of years all across the middle east and north africa all of which being majority muslim countries. while jews were being murdered and persecuted in Europe they were welcomed and protected by the same people you call primative . We are all tribal, just look at football fans and their behaviour when in a herd or crowd.
Plenty of people were murdered for no good reason.
Why do you think Latin america is called Latin America by some?
I wasn't using tribalism in any racist way and if people don't believe tribalism exists today they are blind.
Mixing primtive ideologies with modern technology is not always a good thing.
Pritive ideology being all the mainstream religions becaus ethats all religions really are, ideologies and people who say that athiests killed more than religions did or just a smany. thats true.
Athiests driven by ideologies killed just a smany as people driven by religious ideologies.
Todays bullshit PC world means that people driven by hatred and racism ca hide behind their religion and quote from whichever passage in whichever book suits them.
and yes religious fantacism shouldn't be forced onto children as it's indoctrination and people should be free to choose what religion or none they want to follow when they are adults.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:01:08 GMT 1, I'm pro Israel existing as a country. Israel exists and it's not going anywhere.
I'm also pro Palestine existing as a country on equal terms.
Of course some say to exist side by side peacefully each countries leadership would have to be replaced or make peace and move forward not look at the past.
Banksy wrote " If we wash our hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless we side with the powerful, we don't remain neutral"
Is he referring as well to the very very rich people running Palestine who are worth millions if not billions while Palestinians are trapped in poverty.
It's like the Cuba , America thing where Castro is worth millions while Cubans have nothing.
don't listen to this idiot, people like this like to throw shade or try and divert attention from the truth and the facts. @ploppi you seem to know a lot about exactly what Banksy is thinking and means by his work but i think your just talking s**te. " Is he referring as well to the very very rich people running Palestine who are worth millions if not billions while Palestinians are trapped in poverty." @ploppi what millionaires or billionaires are you referring to?? do you have any examples to back up your "facts"  i really advise you to stop writing lies, offensive and inaccurate statements please, it is very unwise.
Thats why I asked a question as to who banksy was referring to.
It's very easy for people to make a generic statement and art and then let people read what they want into it.
How much was Arafat Worth?
So corruption only exists in the west then?
www.globes.co.il/en/article-the-phenomenal-wealth-of-hamas-leaders-1000957953
www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/gazas-millionaires-and-billionaires-how-hamass-leaders-got-rich-quick/
read the articles and make your own mind up.
believe no one.
I'm pro Israel existing as a country. Israel exists and it's not going anywhere.
I'm also pro Palestine existing as a country on equal terms.
Of course some say to exist side by side peacefully each countries leadership would have to be replaced or make peace and move forward not look at the past.
Banksy wrote " If we wash our hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless we side with the powerful, we don't remain neutral"
Is he referring as well to the very very rich people running Palestine who are worth millions if not billions while Palestinians are trapped in poverty.
It's like the Cuba , America thing where Castro is worth millions while Cubans have nothing.
don't listen to this idiot, people like this like to throw shade or try and divert attention from the truth and the facts. @ploppi you seem to know a lot about exactly what Banksy is thinking and means by his work but i think your just talking s**te. " Is he referring as well to the very very rich people running Palestine who are worth millions if not billions while Palestinians are trapped in poverty." @ploppi what millionaires or billionaires are you referring to?? do you have any examples to back up your "facts" i really advise you to stop writing lies, offensive and inaccurate statements please, it is very unwise.
Thats why I asked a question as to who banksy was referring to.
It's very easy for people to make a generic statement and art and then let people read what they want into it.
How much was Arafat Worth?
So corruption only exists in the west then?
www.globes.co.il/en/article-the-phenomenal-wealth-of-hamas-leaders-1000957953
www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/gazas-millionaires-and-billionaires-how-hamass-leaders-got-rich-quick/
read the articles and make your own mind up.
believe no one.
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Winter on Feb 26, 2015 18:03:12 GMT 1, taking sides??? looool do you know anything about Palestine and wtf is going or are you just trying to be controversial?? BOYCOTT ISRAEL!! FREE PALESTINE. Loool? Sorry I donโt see the lol in this. That whole situation is f**ked up, and I understand quite well that the Palestinians are the underdog here. That doesnโt mean theyโre innocent. The people, the civilions, kids and women, are the innocent here, the Israeli civilions just as much as the Palestinians. The Jewish settlements provocing the Palestinians, the rockets fired by Hamas, the wall around Gaza, itโs all so wrong and there is no easy solution, Hamas is far from innocent, the Israeli politicians and army are guilty. Itโs been so long now. Pointing your finger at either side and saying theyโre at fault is not helping anybody. Thatโs why I said in my first post; Iโve never taken side in this conflict because there are so many factors I cannot begin to comprihend, if you can, good for you. Itโs just one sad history, there are no winners here (well, the weapons manufacturers). If this is Banksyโs way of bringing (back) attention tot his conflict then thatโs a good thing I guess, but thereโs two sides to this story I think..
Having read all comments this (Buckwurst comment above) is by far the most balanced comment yet. That's just my opinion.
taking sides??? looool do you know anything about Palestine and wtf is going or are you just trying to be controversial?? BOYCOTT ISRAEL!! FREE PALESTINE. Loool? Sorry I donโt see the lol in this. That whole situation is f**ked up, and I understand quite well that the Palestinians are the underdog here. That doesnโt mean theyโre innocent. The people, the civilions, kids and women, are the innocent here, the Israeli civilions just as much as the Palestinians. The Jewish settlements provocing the Palestinians, the rockets fired by Hamas, the wall around Gaza, itโs all so wrong and there is no easy solution, Hamas is far from innocent, the Israeli politicians and army are guilty. Itโs been so long now. Pointing your finger at either side and saying theyโre at fault is not helping anybody. Thatโs why I said in my first post; Iโve never taken side in this conflict because there are so many factors I cannot begin to comprihend, if you can, good for you. Itโs just one sad history, there are no winners here (well, the weapons manufacturers). If this is Banksyโs way of bringing (back) attention tot his conflict then thatโs a good thing I guess, but thereโs two sides to this story I think.. Seems to be lots of experts on here although I'm guessing most are just forming their own opinions based on what they see on the news and what they read in the papers like the rest of us. Having read all comments this (Buckwurst comment above) is by far the most balanced comment yet. That's just my opinion. |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:06:26 GMT 1, Loool? Sorry I donโt see the lol in this. That whole situation is f**ked up, and I understand quite well that the Palestinians are the underdog here. That doesnโt mean theyโre innocent. The people, the civilions, kids and women, are the innocent here, the Israeli civilions just as much as the Palestinians. The Jewish settlements provocing the Palestinians, the rockets fired by Hamas, the wall around Gaza, itโs all so wrong and there is no easy solution, Hamas is far from innocent, the Israeli politicians and army are guilty. Itโs been so long now. Pointing your finger at either side and saying theyโre at fault is not helping anybody. Thatโs why I said in my first post; Iโve never taken side in this conflict because there are so many factors I cannot begin to comprihend, if you can, good for you. Itโs just one sad history, there are no winners here (well, the weapons manufacturers). If this is Banksyโs way of bringing (back) attention tot his conflict then thatโs a good thing I guess, but thereโs two sides to this story I think.. Seems to be lots of experts on here although I'm guessing most are just forming their own opinions based on what they see on the news and what they read in the papers like the rest of us. Having read all comments this (Buckwurst comment above) is by far the most balanced comment yet. That's just my opinion.
Loool? Sorry I donโt see the lol in this. That whole situation is f**ked up, and I understand quite well that the Palestinians are the underdog here. That doesnโt mean theyโre innocent. The people, the civilions, kids and women, are the innocent here, the Israeli civilions just as much as the Palestinians. The Jewish settlements provocing the Palestinians, the rockets fired by Hamas, the wall around Gaza, itโs all so wrong and there is no easy solution, Hamas is far from innocent, the Israeli politicians and army are guilty. Itโs been so long now. Pointing your finger at either side and saying theyโre at fault is not helping anybody. Thatโs why I said in my first post; Iโve never taken side in this conflict because there are so many factors I cannot begin to comprihend, if you can, good for you. Itโs just one sad history, there are no winners here (well, the weapons manufacturers). If this is Banksyโs way of bringing (back) attention tot his conflict then thatโs a good thing I guess, but thereโs two sides to this story I think.. Seems to be lots of experts on here although I'm guessing most are just forming their own opinions based on what they see on the news and what they read in the papers like the rest of us. Having read all comments this (Buckwurst comment above) is by far the most balanced comment yet. That's just my opinion. Agreed. Here's a great article on the topic: www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2014/10/gaza-tunnel-plot-israeli-intelligence |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Fะฏ on Feb 26, 2015 18:14:18 GMT 1, not checked this thread since this morning.
not checked this thread since this morning. |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by eschiff on Feb 26, 2015 18:16:47 GMT 1, We are all tribal, just look at football fans and their behaviour when in a herd or crowd.
Plenty of people were murdered for no good reason.
Why do you think Latin america is called Latin America by some?
I wasn't using tribalism in any racist way and if people don't believe tribalism exists today they are blind.
Mixing primtive ideologies with modern technology is not always a good thing.
Pritive ideology being all the mainstream religions becaus ethats all religions really are, ideologies and people who say that athiests killed more than religions did or just a smany. thats true.
Athiests driven by ideologies killed just a smany as people driven by religious ideologies.
Todays bulls**t PC world means that people driven by hatred and racism ca hide behind their religion and quote from whichever passage in whichever book suits them.
and yes religious fantacism shouldn't be forced onto children as it's indoctrination and people should be free to choose what religion or none they want to follow when they are adults.
sounds like you've been reading the jewish chronicle or something. who is telling you religion is being forced on children??? do you have any examples?? any facts to back up what your saying??? the PLO were a non religious group with christians and muslims working together to create a free palestine... this was dangerous for Israel so they funded and created Hamas to divide the Palestinian people and make sure that Palestine would no be free anytime soon. same as all this sunni and shia stuff... divide and conquer the people. you are welcome to check anything i have said and i would be happy to back up what i am saying with sources and further reading if you require. i am offended by what you have written and you seem to be incapable of speaking to truth or backing up what you say.
We are all tribal, just look at football fans and their behaviour when in a herd or crowd.
Plenty of people were murdered for no good reason.
Why do you think Latin america is called Latin America by some?
I wasn't using tribalism in any racist way and if people don't believe tribalism exists today they are blind.
Mixing primtive ideologies with modern technology is not always a good thing.
Pritive ideology being all the mainstream religions becaus ethats all religions really are, ideologies and people who say that athiests killed more than religions did or just a smany. thats true.
Athiests driven by ideologies killed just a smany as people driven by religious ideologies.
Todays bulls**t PC world means that people driven by hatred and racism ca hide behind their religion and quote from whichever passage in whichever book suits them.
and yes religious fantacism shouldn't be forced onto children as it's indoctrination and people should be free to choose what religion or none they want to follow when they are adults.
sounds like you've been reading the jewish chronicle or something. who is telling you religion is being forced on children??? do you have any examples?? any facts to back up what your saying??? the PLO were a non religious group with christians and muslims working together to create a free palestine... this was dangerous for Israel so they funded and created Hamas to divide the Palestinian people and make sure that Palestine would no be free anytime soon. same as all this sunni and shia stuff... divide and conquer the people. you are welcome to check anything i have said and i would be happy to back up what i am saying with sources and further reading if you require. i am offended by what you have written and you seem to be incapable of speaking to truth or backing up what you say. i think people are trying to have a discussion but you have resorted to personal attacks and seem to think that your view is the truth. this isn't a black and white matter, the complexity is enormous and I think you're confusing your passion with fact. |
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by eschiff on Feb 26, 2015 18:19:37 GMT 1, as for an example that religion and extremism is being forced on children? How about this from a UN report in 2012
'Senior Hamas commander Zaher Jabarin said in a video interview that Hamas labors โday and nightโ in educating Palestinian children in Gaza to become suicide bombers. Underscoring Hamasโ commitment to the use of children for combat, Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh announced that the Hamas-run Education Ministry is establishing a military academy in the Gaza Strip to train and educate schoolchildren for battle against Israel.'
EDIT - link to the interview here -
as for an example that religion and extremism is being forced on children? How about this from a UN report in 2012
'Senior Hamas commander Zaher Jabarin said in a video interview that Hamas labors โday and nightโ in educating Palestinian children in Gaza to become suicide bombers. Underscoring Hamasโ commitment to the use of children for combat, Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh announced that the Hamas-run Education Ministry is establishing a military academy in the Gaza Strip to train and educate schoolchildren for battle against Israel.'
EDIT - link to the interview here -
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Banksy in Gaza โข 2015 ๐ต๐ธ, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:19:56 GMT 1, We are all tribal, just look at football fans and their behaviour when in a herd or crowd.
Plenty of people were murdered for no good reason.
Why do you think Latin america is called Latin America by some?
I wasn't using tribalism in any racist way and if people don't believe tribalism exists today they are blind.
Mixing primtive ideologies with modern technology is not always a good thing.
Pritive ideology being all the mainstream religions becaus ethats all religions really are, ideologies and people who say that athiests killed more than religions did or just a smany. thats true.
Athiests driven by ideologies killed just a smany as people driven by religious ideologies.
Todays bulls**t PC world means that people driven by hatred and racism ca hide behind their religion and quote from whichever passage in whichever book suits them.
and yes religious fantacism shouldn't be forced onto children as it's indoctrination and people should be free to choose what religion or none they want to follow when they are adults.
sounds like you've been reading the jewish chronicle or something. who is telling you religion is being forced on children??? do you have any examples?? any facts to back up what your saying??? the PLO were a non religious group with christians and muslims working together to create a free palestine... this was dangerous for Israel so they funded and created Hamas to divide the Palestinian people and make sure that Palestine would no be free anytime soon. same as all this sunni and shia stuff... divide and conquer the people. you are welcome to check anything i have said and i would be happy to back up what i am saying with sources and further reading if you require. i am offended by what you have written and you seem to be incapable of speaking to truth or backing up what you say. www.globes.co.il/en/article-the-phenomenal-wealth-of-hamas-leaders-1000957953
www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/gazas-millionaires-and-billionaires-how-hamass-leaders-got-rich-quick/
If religion wasn't being forced onto children then we wouldn't have faith schools would we.
Unfortunately today, some people are exploiting western tolerance and dividing people.
If people want to follow a religion it's their choice but should never take preference over democracy and equality for all.
and btw I'm not a reader of the Jewish chronicle and have been discriminated against by people from all races and religions.
I don't see the need either to have to refer to an old book written hundreds of years ago to tell me the difference between who I should hang out with, what to eat, and whats right and whats wrong.
I will add too that there is no justification to slaughtering inncent people women and children and there should be a an independant war crimes investigation set up.
www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/23/israel-gaza-war-crimes-guardian
We are all tribal, just look at football fans and their behaviour when in a herd or crowd.
Plenty of people were murdered for no good reason.
Why do you think Latin america is called Latin America by some?
I wasn't using tribalism in any racist way and if people don't believe tribalism exists today they are blind.
Mixing primtive ideologies with modern technology is not always a good thing.
Pritive ideology being all the mainstream religions becaus ethats all religions really are, ideologies and people who say that athiests killed more than religions did or just a smany. thats true.
Athiests driven by ideologies killed just a smany as people driven by religious ideologies.
Todays bulls**t PC world means that people driven by hatred and racism ca hide behind their religion and quote from whichever passage in whichever book suits them.
and yes religious fantacism shouldn't be forced onto children as it's indoctrination and people should be free to choose what religion or none they want to follow when they are adults.
sounds like you've been reading the jewish chronicle or something. who is telling you religion is being forced on children??? do you have any examples?? any facts to back up what your saying??? the PLO were a non religious group with christians and muslims working together to create a free palestine... this was dangerous for Israel so they funded and created Hamas to divide the Palestinian people and make sure that Palestine would no be free anytime soon. same as all this sunni and shia stuff... divide and conquer the people. you are welcome to check anything i have said and i would be happy to back up what i am saying with sources and further reading if you require. i am offended by what you have written and you seem to be incapable of speaking to truth or backing up what you say. www.globes.co.il/en/article-the-phenomenal-wealth-of-hamas-leaders-1000957953
www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28/gazas-millionaires-and-billionaires-how-hamass-leaders-got-rich-quick/
If religion wasn't being forced onto children then we wouldn't have faith schools would we.
Unfortunately today, some people are exploiting western tolerance and dividing people.
If people want to follow a religion it's their choice but should never take preference over democracy and equality for all.
and btw I'm not a reader of the Jewish chronicle and have been discriminated against by people from all races and religions.
I don't see the need either to have to refer to an old book written hundreds of years ago to tell me the difference between who I should hang out with, what to eat, and whats right and whats wrong.
I will add too that there is no justification to slaughtering inncent people women and children and there should be a an independant war crimes investigation set up.
www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/23/israel-gaza-war-crimes-guardian
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