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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Dungle on Mar 11, 2015 14:30:34 GMT 1, www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2989631/Banksy-ruined-life-Owner-Spybooth-mural-property-near-GCHQ-says-t-make-house-habitable-graffiti-given-listed-status.html
Banksy ruined my life! Owner of 'Spybooth' mural property near GCHQ says he can't make house habitable after graffiti was given listed status
The owner of a property near GCHQ where Banksy daubed his ‘Spybooth’ artwork claimed today that the mural had made his life a misery after being given listed status.
David Possee could have expected a windfall after the work was sprayed onto the side of his end-of-terrace property close to Britain's surveillance centre in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
But after the stencil was granted Grade II-listed status, Mr Possee, 45, has been unable to remove and sell it - and cannot carry out building work to make the house habitable.
As a result he cannot rent out the home, which is empty. He claimed he has been harassed by ‘malicious busybodies’ and now just wants to sell the property - so he can ‘get on with my life’.
Mr Possee said: ‘If Cheltenham want it, they can have it. Just buy the building off me, I just want to get on with my life. Cut me free, you can have the Cheltenham Banksy.’
Spybooth features three 1950s-style agents, wearing brown trench coats and trilby hats, using devices to tap into conversations at a telephone box on the side of the £300,000 property.
It appeared last April before soaring in value when Banksy confirmed it was one of his pieces.
The wall was boarded up but a bidding war ensued as locals tried to raise an estimated £1million to secure it for the town. A businessman claimed to have raised enough, but his bid fell through.
It was feared the chunk of wall could be removed and sold, but last month Cheltenham Borough Council voted to incorporate the mural into the building’s existing Grade II-listed status.
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If Cheltenham want it, they can have it. Just buy the building off me, I just want to get on with my life”
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This means Mr Possee - whose home is thought to have tripled in value since the mural was painted - now cannot carry out urgent repairs to strengthen and re-render the walls.
He said: ‘If this had been any other artist, it [the listed status] would have been laughed out of the chambers. I have no idea where I go from here.'
Mr Possee said he could fight the decision, but that would mean him spending his own money to launch a case at the High Court.
He said the council ‘agreed in principle’ to protect the mural when he first approached them for help.
Speaking to community radio station Swindon 105.5, he said: ‘They didn’t come up with any sort of ideas. So I suggested Perspex but they said it’s against listed consent.
Spybooth: The Banksy piece in its vandalised state. Mr Possee said he has had 'substantial offers from people who collect this kind of artwork'
‘They just said “you can’t put that on there” and I was threatened with a fine.'
He added: 'I think it deserves to stay in Cheltenham, but obviously it is difficult to re-render a house that has that artwork on it.
‘It’s sat empty now, and it can’t stay that way forever. At the end of the day, we can sit and let gravity take an effect and the decision will be made for us.’
Mr Possee has even been targeted by men posing as ‘millionaire architects’ trying to buy the building, who turned out to be frauds.
Controversy has surrounded the piece since its arrival, leaving the landlord inundated with ‘malicious messages’ from locals desperate to keep it in the town.
He added: ‘Some busybody from Cheltenham even came up with this idea that I didn’t own that part of the house.
'There’s not a "pretty strong certainty" that I own it - it is certain that I do. I take a bit of umbrage with people getting involved with my business when it’s nothing to do with them.
‘I’ve had substantial offers from people who collect this kind of artwork - and if it was about money for me I’d have sold it by now.’
After listed status was granted last month, the council's case officer Martin Chandler said: 'It will be afforded a greater level of protection than it has currently.
'But it doesn't mean we won't be faced with future applications to consider other changes to it. It [planning consent] doesn't automatically mean it's going to be retained in situ.'
Seeing the Banksy for the first time when he returned from holiday in April 2014, Mr Possee said he thought it was ‘quite nice’ and liked the new addition before the problems began.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2989631/Banksy-ruined-life-Owner-Spybooth-mural-property-near-GCHQ-says-t-make-house-habitable-graffiti-given-listed-status.htmlBanksy ruined my life! Owner of 'Spybooth' mural property near GCHQ says he can't make house habitable after graffiti was given listed status The owner of a property near GCHQ where Banksy daubed his ‘Spybooth’ artwork claimed today that the mural had made his life a misery after being given listed status. David Possee could have expected a windfall after the work was sprayed onto the side of his end-of-terrace property close to Britain's surveillance centre in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. But after the stencil was granted Grade II-listed status, Mr Possee, 45, has been unable to remove and sell it - and cannot carry out building work to make the house habitable. As a result he cannot rent out the home, which is empty. He claimed he has been harassed by ‘malicious busybodies’ and now just wants to sell the property - so he can ‘get on with my life’. Mr Possee said: ‘If Cheltenham want it, they can have it. Just buy the building off me, I just want to get on with my life. Cut me free, you can have the Cheltenham Banksy.’ Spybooth features three 1950s-style agents, wearing brown trench coats and trilby hats, using devices to tap into conversations at a telephone box on the side of the £300,000 property. It appeared last April before soaring in value when Banksy confirmed it was one of his pieces. The wall was boarded up but a bidding war ensued as locals tried to raise an estimated £1million to secure it for the town. A businessman claimed to have raised enough, but his bid fell through. It was feared the chunk of wall could be removed and sold, but last month Cheltenham Borough Council voted to incorporate the mural into the building’s existing Grade II-listed status. “ If Cheltenham want it, they can have it. Just buy the building off me, I just want to get on with my life” David Possee This means Mr Possee - whose home is thought to have tripled in value since the mural was painted - now cannot carry out urgent repairs to strengthen and re-render the walls. He said: ‘If this had been any other artist, it [the listed status] would have been laughed out of the chambers. I have no idea where I go from here.' Mr Possee said he could fight the decision, but that would mean him spending his own money to launch a case at the High Court. He said the council ‘agreed in principle’ to protect the mural when he first approached them for help. Speaking to community radio station Swindon 105.5, he said: ‘They didn’t come up with any sort of ideas. So I suggested Perspex but they said it’s against listed consent. Spybooth: The Banksy piece in its vandalised state. Mr Possee said he has had 'substantial offers from people who collect this kind of artwork' ‘They just said “you can’t put that on there” and I was threatened with a fine.' He added: 'I think it deserves to stay in Cheltenham, but obviously it is difficult to re-render a house that has that artwork on it. ‘It’s sat empty now, and it can’t stay that way forever. At the end of the day, we can sit and let gravity take an effect and the decision will be made for us.’ Mr Possee has even been targeted by men posing as ‘millionaire architects’ trying to buy the building, who turned out to be frauds. Controversy has surrounded the piece since its arrival, leaving the landlord inundated with ‘malicious messages’ from locals desperate to keep it in the town. He added: ‘Some busybody from Cheltenham even came up with this idea that I didn’t own that part of the house. 'There’s not a "pretty strong certainty" that I own it - it is certain that I do. I take a bit of umbrage with people getting involved with my business when it’s nothing to do with them. ‘I’ve had substantial offers from people who collect this kind of artwork - and if it was about money for me I’d have sold it by now.’ After listed status was granted last month, the council's case officer Martin Chandler said: 'It will be afforded a greater level of protection than it has currently. 'But it doesn't mean we won't be faced with future applications to consider other changes to it. It [planning consent] doesn't automatically mean it's going to be retained in situ.' Seeing the Banksy for the first time when he returned from holiday in April 2014, Mr Possee said he thought it was ‘quite nice’ and liked the new addition before the problems began.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 14:39:04 GMT 1, Some people you can never please .... But what does this "Grade II-listed status" mean?
Some people you can never please .... But what does this "Grade II-listed status" mean?
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 14:44:12 GMT 1, means you cant make significant proscribed changes to the building without going through a lenghty & expensive approval process- and even then, probabaly be refused
means you cant make significant proscribed changes to the building without going through a lenghty & expensive approval process- and even then, probabaly be refused
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 15:07:41 GMT 1, Some people you can never please .... But what does this "Grade II-listed status" mean?
Some people you can never please .... But what does this "Grade II-listed status" mean? It means a bit headache ish when renovating & repairing but not as bad a headache as grade 2*, although this is not as headachey as grade 1. |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 15:10:20 GMT 1, The building already had Grade II listed status before Banksy redecorated the exterior. If I'm not mistaken, this is allegedly something the owner appears to have conveniently ignored when his greed allowed Barton and co to steam in and attempt to hack out the wall. Surely it's this that has rendered the house uninhabitable? Does anyone else recall seeing photos of these attempts, particularly those from inside the house? 
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-28853113
The building already had Grade II listed status before Banksy redecorated the exterior. If I'm not mistaken, this is allegedly something the owner appears to have conveniently ignored when his greed allowed Barton and co to steam in and attempt to hack out the wall. Surely it's this that has rendered the house uninhabitable? Does anyone else recall seeing photos of these attempts, particularly those from inside the house? |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 15:11:20 GMT 1, It looks like the Tories will win the next local election so there is hope for the property owner.
ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/cheltenham/
I find it odd that this stencil on wall can so quickly be classed as listed.
Here are some Cheltenham documents regarding this listed building application and granting of.
By Cheltenham Civic Society 
publicaccess.cheltenham.gov.uk/idoxpa17/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=consulteeComments&keyVal=NBD56YELHO900
this is just a small part of whats on the doc.
""h. On 13th April 2014, a mural/art work/graffiti appeared on this flank wall of this listed building. It has been applied to the surface of the unstable and cracked render finish on the flank wall. The installation of this mural/art work/graffiti was clearly an alteration which affected the character of the listed building and therefore required listed building consent but it had been applied without the benefit of listed building and it is considered to be an unauthorised alteration. This application for listed building consent is to regularise the current unauthorised mural and satellite dish on this flank wall of this listed building. ""
""So the Banksy mural/art work/graffiti is able to provide a visual focus to this end flank wall of this listed building, and is also able to provide a logical relationship to the phone box and the flank wall, albeit that this relationship is formed by a visual political satirical statement in the form of a mural/art work/graffiti. When considering the particular setting of this listed building 159 Fairview Road and the form and appearance of this particular mural/art work/graffiti, then the art work improves the setting of the listed building. That is not to say that there are not number of other ways that the building's setting could be improved, but this application is considering this particular mural/art work/graffiti on this listed building and not other ways of improving the setting.""
""vi. How can the mural/art work/graffiti be protected from attack by other graffiti artists or by being painted over?""
""a. The fact that the mural is by the internationally renown artist Banksy is a consideration""
""e. Therefore when considering the conflicting impacts of this mural on the listed building and the conservation area, then overall consideration is that it causes harm but that harm is less than significance and the harm is outweighed by the public benefits. Therefore on balance my recommendation is to approve this application for a time limited period of six months.""
Some comments from local people.
publicaccess.cheltenham.gov.uk/idoxpa17/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=neighbourComments&keyVal=NBD56YELHO900
""In support of the application I would like to highlight the fact that there is a difference between graffiti and street art. Banksy does street art, not graffiti The council supports street art as demonstrated by the murals on the walls of the tunnels on the Honeybourne pedestrian/cycling way. Street art has become a source of income for local communities e.g. in London where walking tours of street art are popular.""
Planning » Planning Application Documents:
publicaccess.cheltenham.gov.uk/idoxpa17/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NBD56YELHO900
Some info about info.
www.cheltenham.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=287&pageNumber=2
It looks like the Tories will win the next local election so there is hope for the property owner.
ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/cheltenham/
I find it odd that this stencil on wall can so quickly be classed as listed.
Here are some Cheltenham documents regarding this listed building application and granting of.
By Cheltenham Civic Society
publicaccess.cheltenham.gov.uk/idoxpa17/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=consulteeComments&keyVal=NBD56YELHO900
this is just a small part of whats on the doc.
""h. On 13th April 2014, a mural/art work/graffiti appeared on this flank wall of this listed building. It has been applied to the surface of the unstable and cracked render finish on the flank wall. The installation of this mural/art work/graffiti was clearly an alteration which affected the character of the listed building and therefore required listed building consent but it had been applied without the benefit of listed building and it is considered to be an unauthorised alteration. This application for listed building consent is to regularise the current unauthorised mural and satellite dish on this flank wall of this listed building. ""
""So the Banksy mural/art work/graffiti is able to provide a visual focus to this end flank wall of this listed building, and is also able to provide a logical relationship to the phone box and the flank wall, albeit that this relationship is formed by a visual political satirical statement in the form of a mural/art work/graffiti. When considering the particular setting of this listed building 159 Fairview Road and the form and appearance of this particular mural/art work/graffiti, then the art work improves the setting of the listed building. That is not to say that there are not number of other ways that the building's setting could be improved, but this application is considering this particular mural/art work/graffiti on this listed building and not other ways of improving the setting.""
""vi. How can the mural/art work/graffiti be protected from attack by other graffiti artists or by being painted over?""
""a. The fact that the mural is by the internationally renown artist Banksy is a consideration""
""e. Therefore when considering the conflicting impacts of this mural on the listed building and the conservation area, then overall consideration is that it causes harm but that harm is less than significance and the harm is outweighed by the public benefits. Therefore on balance my recommendation is to approve this application for a time limited period of six months.""
Some comments from local people.
publicaccess.cheltenham.gov.uk/idoxpa17/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=neighbourComments&keyVal=NBD56YELHO900
""In support of the application I would like to highlight the fact that there is a difference between graffiti and street art. Banksy does street art, not graffiti The council supports street art as demonstrated by the murals on the walls of the tunnels on the Honeybourne pedestrian/cycling way. Street art has become a source of income for local communities e.g. in London where walking tours of street art are popular.""
Planning » Planning Application Documents:
publicaccess.cheltenham.gov.uk/idoxpa17/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NBD56YELHO900
Some info about info.
www.cheltenham.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?documentID=287&pageNumber=2 |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 15:25:34 GMT 1, Some people you can never please .... But what does this "Grade II-listed status" mean? It means a bit headache ish when renovating & repairing but not as bad a headache as grade 2*, although this is not as headachey as grade 1. 
Some people you can never please .... But what does this "Grade II-listed status" mean? It means a bit headache ish when renovating & repairing but not as bad a headache as grade 2*, although this is not as headachey as grade 1. See if i understand...... Your comment qualifies for a Grade 3 status then? |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 15:29:33 GMT 1, Basically they say the rendering is not in keeping with the original design of the house which is listed.
The mural is on the rendering.
The mural is art etc etc etc.
The mural needs protecting.
The rendering has to be repaired because of public safety concerns.
The rendering can be repaired without affecting the mural.
So it looks like the owner has to pay to repair the rendering ? ? ? ?
Basically they say the rendering is not in keeping with the original design of the house which is listed.
The mural is on the rendering.
The mural is art etc etc etc.
The mural needs protecting.
The rendering has to be repaired because of public safety concerns.
The rendering can be repaired without affecting the mural.
So it looks like the owner has to pay to repair the rendering ? ? ? ?
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Dr Plip on Mar 11, 2015 15:44:46 GMT 1, What an odd saga.
What an odd saga.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 15:52:09 GMT 1, Indeed.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Dungle on Mar 11, 2015 16:03:04 GMT 1,
It is, but the problem has only arisen because he tried to make a quick buck cutting out the piece. If he'd left it as was he could quite happily have sorted the house internally and have people living there.
It is, but the problem has only arisen because he tried to make a quick buck cutting out the piece. If he'd left it as was he could quite happily have sorted the house internally and have people living there. |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 11, 2015 16:11:36 GMT 1, It is, but the problem has only arisen because he tried to make a quick buck cutting out the piece. If he'd left it as was he could quite happily have sorted the house internally and have people living there.
Why shouldn't he be able to sell it. Banksy gave it to him.
It is, but the problem has only arisen because he tried to make a quick buck cutting out the piece. If he'd left it as was he could quite happily have sorted the house internally and have people living there. Why shouldn't he be able to sell it. Banksy gave it to him. |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 16:25:36 GMT 1, The application has only been approved for six months.
So in six months a new application will have to be applied for.
Anything could happen before then.
The application has only been approved for six months.
So in six months a new application will have to be applied for.
Anything could happen before then.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Dungle on Mar 11, 2015 16:32:23 GMT 1, It is, but the problem has only arisen because he tried to make a quick buck cutting out the piece. If he'd left it as was he could quite happily have sorted the house internally and have people living there. Why shouldn't he be able to sell it. Banksy gave it to him.
Because its on the side of a grade II listed property meaning you can't just take the wall down. It was listed before Banksy put it up there, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional.
It is, but the problem has only arisen because he tried to make a quick buck cutting out the piece. If he'd left it as was he could quite happily have sorted the house internally and have people living there. Why shouldn't he be able to sell it. Banksy gave it to him. Because its on the side of a grade II listed property meaning you can't just take the wall down. It was listed before Banksy put it up there, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional. |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Rouen Cathedral on Mar 11, 2015 16:37:09 GMT 1, Why shouldn't he be able to sell it. Banksy gave it to him. Because its on the side of a grade II listed property meaning you can't just take the wall down. It was listed before Banksy put it up there, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional.
Haha okay. So if it wasn't on that wall then he would be fine to sell it?
Isn't it destroyed now? So it should stay still?
Why shouldn't he be able to sell it. Banksy gave it to him. Because its on the side of a grade II listed property meaning you can't just take the wall down. It was listed before Banksy put it up there, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional. Haha okay. So if it wasn't on that wall then he would be fine to sell it? Isn't it destroyed now? So it should stay still? |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 16:43:16 GMT 1, It's on the rendering and the rendering is not an original part of the listed building.
It's on the rendering and the rendering is not an original part of the listed building.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Dr Plip on Mar 11, 2015 16:47:55 GMT 1, Anyone know whether the nearby pub reopened?
Anyone know whether the nearby pub reopened?
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 16:59:55 GMT 1, If it's on the rendering and this is not part of the original listed building why was it allowed to be rendered? I'm confused!
If it's on the rendering and this is not part of the original listed building why was it allowed to be rendered? I'm confused!
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 17:25:33 GMT 1, Not certain but grade two buildings are often not classed as anything worth saving or preserving in their original form.
Anyone who has dealt with councils knows they can ignore or enforce the laws as it suits them and some people locally.
Not certain but grade two buildings are often not classed as anything worth saving or preserving in their original form.
Anyone who has dealt with councils knows they can ignore or enforce the laws as it suits them and some people locally.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 17:26:32 GMT 1, Not certain but grade two buildings are often not classed as anything worth saving or preserving in their original form.
Not certain but grade two buildings are often not classed as anything worth saving or preserving in their original form. Not so, it also varies from area to area as to how strict the law is applied. |
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 18:31:45 GMT 1, Not certain but grade two buildings are often not classed as anything worth saving or preserving in their original form. Not so, it also varies from area to area as to how strict the law is applied. and on who owns the building.
I'm sure most councils are on the level.
Not certain but grade two buildings are often not classed as anything worth saving or preserving in their original form. Not so, it also varies from area to area as to how strict the law is applied. and on who owns the building.
I'm sure most councils are on the level.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by .dappy on Mar 12, 2015 0:41:04 GMT 1,
... if a building is listed then the rendering is part of the listing ... everything that is on/in the building forms part of the listing at the time of listing ... it does not have to be only those parts that were part of the 'original' build ...
... the current owner was going to repair the rendering and would have had to inform the Council that 1) he was going to do it & 2) how he was going to do it and with what materials - to receive consent -nothing too hard - as the view of the Council would be to preserve the 'character' and future longevity of the external wall/render would be a good thing.
... as others have said, his problem is the destruction of parts of the fabric of the building he has allowed to happen (without consent), esp knowing it was listed when he bought the building ...
... the council have now also 'regularised' banksy's mural to be part of the listing mainly to stop further damage to the wall (& by being specific about that part of the wall) ... that is the main reason why the specific listing is just for 6 months to begin with ...
... if a building is listed then the rendering is part of the listing ... everything that is on/in the building forms part of the listing at the time of listing ... it does not have to be only those parts that were part of the 'original' build ...
... the current owner was going to repair the rendering and would have had to inform the Council that 1) he was going to do it & 2) how he was going to do it and with what materials - to receive consent -nothing too hard - as the view of the Council would be to preserve the 'character' and future longevity of the external wall/render would be a good thing.
... as others have said, his problem is the destruction of parts of the fabric of the building he has allowed to happen (without consent), esp knowing it was listed when he bought the building ...
... the council have now also 'regularised' banksy's mural to be part of the listing mainly to stop further damage to the wall (& by being specific about that part of the wall) ... that is the main reason why the specific listing is just for 6 months to begin with ...
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Cornish Crayon on Mar 12, 2015 10:36:16 GMT 1, Isn't grade 1, Tudor ?
Also I'm quite surprised Mr B took the path of working on a graded property !!!
Implications could of been so different
Isn't grade 1, Tudor ?
Also I'm quite surprised Mr B took the path of working on a graded property !!!
Implications could of been so different
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by .dappy on Mar 12, 2015 10:41:08 GMT 1,
... Grading does not relate to the age of a building ...
... Grading does not relate to the age of a building ...
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 10:41:16 GMT 1, As its grade 2 listed he can apply for grants from his local council and english heritage to carry out repairs. If he doesnt the building will lose it grade 2 status - he is a fuckwit, playing the victim after his "scheme" fell flat on its ass - fuck him - and fuck the daily mail
As its grade 2 listed he can apply for grants from his local council and english heritage to carry out repairs. If he doesnt the building will lose it grade 2 status - he is a fuckwit, playing the victim after his "scheme" fell flat on its ass - fuck him - and fuck the daily mail
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 10:50:40 GMT 1, The Council does come across as hypocritical.
If an unknown person or anyone apart from Banksy had done the spy piece or something similar.
There is no way that the council would be interested in protecting the mural.
Money talks these days and it shouldn't.
The Council does come across as hypocritical.
If an unknown person or anyone apart from Banksy had done the spy piece or something similar.
There is no way that the council would be interested in protecting the mural.
Money talks these days and it shouldn't.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 18:21:14 GMT 1, Mr Posse and his posse should tell Banksy to pay for the rendering, or send him the bill.
The owner of the house wasn't asked permission and why should he pay.
The council telling the owner to pay to preserve theis mural uner the guise of fixing the rendering is against the owners human rights.
If it's just about the rendering then whats to stop the owner cleaning off all the old rendering and re doing the rendering a new.
Mr Posse and his posse should tell Banksy to pay for the rendering, or send him the bill.
The owner of the house wasn't asked permission and why should he pay.
The council telling the owner to pay to preserve theis mural uner the guise of fixing the rendering is against the owners human rights.
If it's just about the rendering then whats to stop the owner cleaning off all the old rendering and re doing the rendering a new.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 18:40:48 GMT 1, I'm wondering what a judge would have to say about all this. It's still just some illegally applied paint (graffiti) on someones property. I thought the UK had such harsh anti-graffiti laws?
As far as I know the owner of the building owns the wall and therefore can remove the mural.
Simple reason being that Banksy never applied for planning permission.
I'm wondering what a judge would have to say about all this. It's still just some illegally applied paint (graffiti) on someones property. I thought the UK had such harsh anti-graffiti laws?
As far as I know the owner of the building owns the wall and therefore can remove the mural.
Simple reason being that Banksy never applied for planning permission.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 19:24:35 GMT 1, You need to brush up on listed building consent then.
You need to brush up on listed building consent then.
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Banksy Ruined my life!, by .dappy on Mar 12, 2015 20:30:21 GMT 1, The Council does come across as hypocritical. If an unknown person or anyone apart from Banksy had done the spy piece or something similar. There is no way that the council would be interested in protecting the mural. Money talks these days and it shouldn't.
... are you turning into murrke or just trying to be argumentative for no reason? ... the council took action once 1) the fabric of the building was being demolished 2) the rendering on the outside was started to be removed ... all part of the listing
... as mr bpbpa said - he has brought this on himself ...
please also read my previous thread ...
The Council does come across as hypocritical. If an unknown person or anyone apart from Banksy had done the spy piece or something similar. There is no way that the council would be interested in protecting the mural. Money talks these days and it shouldn't. ... are you turning into murrke or just trying to be argumentative for no reason? ... the council took action once 1) the fabric of the building was being demolished 2) the rendering on the outside was started to be removed ... all part of the listing ... as mr bpbpa said - he has brought this on himself ... please also read my previous thread ... |
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