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Damaged print value question , by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 2, 2015 11:55:20 GMT 1, Hello all
So I bought a print at what I thought was a pretty good price. Sadly the seller didn't mention the damage in the back from it being removed from framing.
As can be expected I am not very happy. Now I like the print and think it will be fairly easily hidden when framed (I hope). But I don't know if it's worth keeping if the value is greatly effected.
How does this kind of damage effect the value? Say it's a $400-600 print. Note the damage is on the back too edges or the print. See the images below.
Thanks for any input
Hello all So I bought a print at what I thought was a pretty good price. Sadly the seller didn't mention the damage in the back from it being removed from framing. As can be expected I am not very happy. Now I like the print and think it will be fairly easily hidden when framed (I hope). But I don't know if it's worth keeping if the value is greatly effected. How does this kind of damage effect the value? Say it's a $400-600 print. Note the damage is on the back too edges or the print. See the images below. Thanks for any input |
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Damaged print value question , by Art Fan 2011 on Apr 2, 2015 12:02:24 GMT 1, Id say it would depend on the print, can you give us any clues as to what it is  ?
Id say it would depend on the print, can you give us any clues as to what it is ? |
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Damaged print value question , by Nick on Apr 2, 2015 12:04:08 GMT 1, As long as it doesn't show through on the front it wouldn't bother me that much. The value would be slightly lower i guess, maybe 10-15%. It might be a harder sell however as some buyers only seek out pristine examples.
As long as it doesn't show through on the front it wouldn't bother me that much. The value would be slightly lower i guess, maybe 10-15%. It might be a harder sell however as some buyers only seek out pristine examples.
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Damaged print value question , by alittle on Apr 2, 2015 12:04:53 GMT 1, I usually base discounts for damage on estimated restoration costs.
I usually base discounts for damage on estimated restoration costs.
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Damaged print value question , by Chrisp on Apr 2, 2015 12:54:37 GMT 1, I usually base discounts for damage on estimated restoration costs.
One or two of mine must be worth - figures then.
You can't base the value on the restoration cost as some prints are cheap as chips. Take that print for example, just say pristine value £100. With that damage I am guessing a fair few hundered to restore, that's means it's worth nowt.
I tried to sell a signed invader map with damage not as bad as that. It sold on EBay for I think £52, the buyer decided against it and never paid. I would send it straight back and wait for the next one to come up unless you knew it was damaged.
I usually base discounts for damage on estimated restoration costs. One or two of mine must be worth - figures then. You can't base the value on the restoration cost as some prints are cheap as chips. Take that print for example, just say pristine value £100. With that damage I am guessing a fair few hundered to restore, that's means it's worth nowt. I tried to sell a signed invader map with damage not as bad as that. It sold on EBay for I think £52, the buyer decided against it and never paid. I would send it straight back and wait for the next one to come up unless you knew it was damaged. |
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Damaged print value question , by Mr. Francesco on Apr 2, 2015 13:21:43 GMT 1, Was the print purchased as an investment piece? If so, I'd be unhappy as well.
Regardless, the seller should have communicated the overall condition of the print more clearly.
Was the print purchased as an investment piece? If so, I'd be unhappy as well.
Regardless, the seller should have communicated the overall condition of the print more clearly.
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Damaged print value question , by Ottomatik on Apr 2, 2015 13:40:28 GMT 1, Sorry about that!
I can relate. The last 2 prints I purchased on this forum arrived damaged. Damage was never mention during talks from both sellers.
Then came the standard, 'must have happened during shipping.'
What happened to full disclosure and honesty?
In the process of buying a print from a member at this time, have a great feeling about this one. Hope my intuition is not trying to trick me!
Sorry about that! I can relate. The last 2 prints I purchased on this forum arrived damaged. Damage was never mention during talks from both sellers. Then came the standard, 'must have happened during shipping.' What happened to full disclosure and honesty? In the process of buying a print from a member at this time, have a great feeling about this one. Hope my intuition is not trying to trick me! |
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Damaged print value question , by andyroo0312 on Apr 2, 2015 14:01:38 GMT 1, If that damage was on a Banksy it would lessen the value by $10 any other artist it would be 50%.
Always hate to see damage due to shitty framing skills.
If that damage was on a Banksy it would lessen the value by $10 any other artist it would be 50%.
Always hate to see damage due to shitty framing skills.
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Damaged print value question , by thriftypix on Apr 2, 2015 16:22:08 GMT 1, I've been burned a couple of times recently, so I now ask for photos of the entire piece, front and back (if a print, of course), then closeups sufficient to give me a look at every inch of the print at a resolution that allows me to zoom in close enough to examine the surface, with special attention paid to the corners and edges. If a seller is not willing to supply these photos, I move on. And it's not that I won't consider the purchase of pieces with damage, because - let's face it - works on paper in particular often have built in "defects", soft corners direct from the print shop, spatters and smudges and other "issues" that might very well still pass muster with me. But if a seller can't be bothered to supply well-lit photos taken with a decent camera (and every recent iPhone has more than enough resolution to get the job done, so there's really no excuse), then I can't be bothered to buy.
It's not too much to ask.
I've been burned a couple of times recently, so I now ask for photos of the entire piece, front and back (if a print, of course), then closeups sufficient to give me a look at every inch of the print at a resolution that allows me to zoom in close enough to examine the surface, with special attention paid to the corners and edges. If a seller is not willing to supply these photos, I move on. And it's not that I won't consider the purchase of pieces with damage, because - let's face it - works on paper in particular often have built in "defects", soft corners direct from the print shop, spatters and smudges and other "issues" that might very well still pass muster with me. But if a seller can't be bothered to supply well-lit photos taken with a decent camera (and every recent iPhone has more than enough resolution to get the job done, so there's really no excuse), then I can't be bothered to buy.
It's not too much to ask.
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Damaged print value question , by Poster Bob on Apr 2, 2015 17:01:37 GMT 1, I was recently quoted 340 GBP plus tax to fix a crease and some similar damage; which, given the price you quoted above, may be in excess of the value of the print.
I was recently quoted 340 GBP plus tax to fix a crease and some similar damage; which, given the price you quoted above, may be in excess of the value of the print.
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Damaged print value question , by T-Bro on Apr 2, 2015 17:09:36 GMT 1, I was recently quoted 340 GBP plus tax to fix a crease and some similar damage; which, given the price you quoted above, may be in excess of the value of the print.
I was recently quoted 340 GBP plus tax to fix a crease and some similar damage; which, given the price you quoted above, may be in excess of the value of the print. who was that with? |
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Damaged print value question , by monkeyface on Apr 2, 2015 17:09:54 GMT 1, I'm in the minority but I think if it doesn't affect the front of the print then put it in a frame and hang it on the wall and enjoy it.
I'm in the minority but I think if it doesn't affect the front of the print then put it in a frame and hang it on the wall and enjoy it.
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Damaged print value question , by Poster Bob on Apr 2, 2015 17:17:49 GMT 1, I was recently quoted 340 GBP plus tax to fix a crease and some similar damage; which, given the price you quoted above, may be in excess of the value of the print. who was that with?
I was recently quoted 340 GBP plus tax to fix a crease and some similar damage; which, given the price you quoted above, may be in excess of the value of the print. who was that with? Bignell. The damage is on all four corners. |
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Damaged print value question , by dwight on Apr 2, 2015 17:20:50 GMT 1, If that damage was on a Banksy it would lessen the value by $10 any other artist it would be 50%. Always hate to see damage due to s**tty framing skills.
If that damage was on a Banksy it would lessen the value by $10 any other artist it would be 50%. Always hate to see damage due to s**tty framing skills. I don't think the damage is caused by the framing as much as by unframing by someone who knows nothing about removing hinges. There's a proper way to remove hinges and to reverse the mount, but if the person who removes it tries to remove the hinges manually, there is usually paper loss. |
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Damaged print value question , by T-Bro on Apr 2, 2015 17:30:21 GMT 1, Bignell. The damage is on all four corners.
Bignell. The damage is on all four corners. thanks for the info - much appreciated |
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Damaged print value question , by alittle on Apr 2, 2015 18:05:39 GMT 1, I'm in the minority but I think if it doesn't affect the front of the print then put it in a frame and hang it on the wall and enjoy it.
I'm in the minority but I think if it doesn't affect the front of the print then put it in a frame and hang it on the wall and enjoy it. I don't mind damaged pieces, but what I do mind is paying "mint" prices for damaged pieces, which I would think is what most people take issue with (i.e. the piece has been misrepresented). |
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Damaged print value question , by alittle on Apr 2, 2015 18:09:27 GMT 1, I've been burned a couple of times recently, so I now ask for photos of the entire piece, front and back (if a print, of course), then closeups sufficient to give me a look at every inch of the print at a resolution that allows me to zoom in close enough to examine the surface, with special attention paid to the corners and edges. If a seller is not willing to supply these photos, I move on. And it's not that I won't consider the purchase of pieces with damage, because - let's face it - works on paper in particular often have built in "defects", soft corners direct from the print shop, spatters and smudges and other "issues" that might very well still pass muster with me. But if a seller can't be bothered to supply well-lit photos taken with a decent camera (and every recent iPhone has more than enough resolution to get the job done, so there's really no excuse), then I can't be bothered to buy. It's not too much to ask.
I've been burned a couple of times recently, so I now ask for photos of the entire piece, front and back (if a print, of course), then closeups sufficient to give me a look at every inch of the print at a resolution that allows me to zoom in close enough to examine the surface, with special attention paid to the corners and edges. If a seller is not willing to supply these photos, I move on. And it's not that I won't consider the purchase of pieces with damage, because - let's face it - works on paper in particular often have built in "defects", soft corners direct from the print shop, spatters and smudges and other "issues" that might very well still pass muster with me. But if a seller can't be bothered to supply well-lit photos taken with a decent camera (and every recent iPhone has more than enough resolution to get the job done, so there's really no excuse), then I can't be bothered to buy. It's not too much to ask. I would be happy to comply with this for an expensive piece, but if a buyer asked for this on a $100 print, I'm not going to waste my time. As a buyer, your risk is minimal, as you can easily return anything that is not as described. |
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Damaged print value question , by monkeyface on Apr 2, 2015 18:24:17 GMT 1, I'm in the minority but I think if it doesn't affect the front of the print then put it in a frame and hang it on the wall and enjoy it. I don't mind damaged pieces, but what I do mind is paying "mint" prices for damaged pieces, which I would think is what most people take issue with (i.e. the piece has been misrepresented).
The op said he bought the print as an investment which I think is a bigger gamble than buying secondary market prints online.
I'm in the minority but I think if it doesn't affect the front of the print then put it in a frame and hang it on the wall and enjoy it. I don't mind damaged pieces, but what I do mind is paying "mint" prices for damaged pieces, which I would think is what most people take issue with (i.e. the piece has been misrepresented). I agree with you on the price being relevant to the condition. And I wish every seller was completely upfront on condition without having to be asked. In this case the op said he got it the print for a "pretty good price" so from that I made the assumption it was below the current market cost. The op said he bought the print as an investment which I think is a bigger gamble than buying secondary market prints online. |
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Damaged print value question , by thriftypix on Apr 2, 2015 18:29:39 GMT 1, I've been burned a couple of times recently, so I now ask for photos of the entire piece, front and back (if a print, of course), then closeups sufficient to give me a look at every inch of the print at a resolution that allows me to zoom in close enough to examine the surface, with special attention paid to the corners and edges. If a seller is not willing to supply these photos, I move on. And it's not that I won't consider the purchase of pieces with damage, because - let's face it - works on paper in particular often have built in "defects", soft corners direct from the print shop, spatters and smudges and other "issues" that might very well still pass muster with me. But if a seller can't be bothered to supply well-lit photos taken with a decent camera (and every recent iPhone has more than enough resolution to get the job done, so there's really no excuse), then I can't be bothered to buy. It's not too much to ask. I would be happy to comply with this for an expensive piece, but if a buyer asked for this on a $100 print, I'm not going to waste my time. As a buyer, your risk is minimal, as you can easily return anything that is not as described.
I've been burned a couple of times recently, so I now ask for photos of the entire piece, front and back (if a print, of course), then closeups sufficient to give me a look at every inch of the print at a resolution that allows me to zoom in close enough to examine the surface, with special attention paid to the corners and edges. If a seller is not willing to supply these photos, I move on. And it's not that I won't consider the purchase of pieces with damage, because - let's face it - works on paper in particular often have built in "defects", soft corners direct from the print shop, spatters and smudges and other "issues" that might very well still pass muster with me. But if a seller can't be bothered to supply well-lit photos taken with a decent camera (and every recent iPhone has more than enough resolution to get the job done, so there's really no excuse), then I can't be bothered to buy. It's not too much to ask. I would be happy to comply with this for an expensive piece, but if a buyer asked for this on a $100 print, I'm not going to waste my time. As a buyer, your risk is minimal, as you can easily return anything that is not as described. That's your prerogative, of course. Just as it would be mine not to purchase a $100 print from you. Listen, we're talking maybe 6-8 photos under decent light. I can take that many photos of a print in about two minutes. Those images, combined with a seller's (allegedly) honest description, go a long way to ensuring that a prospective buyer has all the information needed to make a confident purchase. Again, not too much to ask. And as far as the risk being minimal: if something arrives not as described, there's the expense to ship it back and the added time to track down an alternative that all add to the buyer's aggravation. |
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Damaged print value question , by alittle on Apr 2, 2015 19:05:25 GMT 1, thriftypix, I'm not taking the print out of storage, removing the sleeve, grabbing my camera, taking the photos, transferring the photos to my computer and uploading the photos to Flickr to make a $100 sale. This is a hobby, not my job, and I have no interest in taking hundreds of photos for a bunch of tire kickers on $100 prints. I imagine many other sellers would feel similarly, so by making the choice you have, you are limiting your pool of available prints and will likely pay more in trying to find someone that will oblige your request.
As I told to you via PM, I always photograph and disclose any damage for buyers, otherwise, if I say a print is in a certain condition, it is. If I have somehow misrepresented the item, or it arrives damaged, the buyer would be entitled to a full refund plus return shipping if they so choose. I've only had 2 instances where I missed (or the buyer caused) some damage, and that was rectified swiftly with a generous price reduction.
thriftypix, I'm not taking the print out of storage, removing the sleeve, grabbing my camera, taking the photos, transferring the photos to my computer and uploading the photos to Flickr to make a $100 sale. This is a hobby, not my job, and I have no interest in taking hundreds of photos for a bunch of tire kickers on $100 prints. I imagine many other sellers would feel similarly, so by making the choice you have, you are limiting your pool of available prints and will likely pay more in trying to find someone that will oblige your request. As I told to you via PM, I always photograph and disclose any damage for buyers, otherwise, if I say a print is in a certain condition, it is. If I have somehow misrepresented the item, or it arrives damaged, the buyer would be entitled to a full refund plus return shipping if they so choose. I've only had 2 instances where I missed (or the buyer caused) some damage, and that was rectified swiftly with a generous price reduction.
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Damaged print value question , by cashewman on Apr 2, 2015 19:30:44 GMT 1, I'll chip in with my experience (not much yet). I've had a couple prints arrive with damage, generally creases that feel a little more minor than that. I've brought it up with the seller and in both cases we arrived at a compromise that was around 35% off, after I documented and shared the damage. I was happy with that, and happy with the cooperation in both cases.
In other cases, from galleries and artists, I've been able to get them replaced, but not sure that's as relevant here.
I guess this is mostly to say that it's a negotiation, and hopefully can end up in a place that you both think it fair.
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I'll chip in with my experience (not much yet). I've had a couple prints arrive with damage, generally creases that feel a little more minor than that. I've brought it up with the seller and in both cases we arrived at a compromise that was around 35% off, after I documented and shared the damage. I was happy with that, and happy with the cooperation in both cases.
In other cases, from galleries and artists, I've been able to get them replaced, but not sure that's as relevant here.
I guess this is mostly to say that it's a negotiation, and hopefully can end up in a place that you both think it fair.
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Damaged print value question , by thriftypix on Apr 2, 2015 19:42:35 GMT 1, alittle: Fair enough. And as I've mentioned, your prerogative. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
alittle: Fair enough. And as I've mentioned, your prerogative. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Damaged print value question , by Rouen Cathedral on Apr 2, 2015 20:40:14 GMT 1, I don't mind damaged pieces, but what I do mind is paying "mint" prices for damaged pieces, which I would think is what most people take issue with (i.e. the piece has been misrepresented). I agree with you on the price being relevant to the condition. And I wish every seller was completely upfront on condition without having to be asked. In this case the op said he got it the print for a "pretty good price" so from that I made the assumption it was below the current market cost. The op said he bought the print as an investment which I think is a bigger gamble than buying secondary market prints online.
Just a to make it clear this was not an investment. If that were the case I would return in a split second.
I'm just not an idiot either and don't want to pay pristine price and when if the time comes I have to sell I'll only get a small fraction. Haha
Anyway I do really like the image and eas looking to hang the print. It seems that same may or may not be bothered by the damage. Guess it something to decide.
Thanks for all the input!
I don't mind damaged pieces, but what I do mind is paying "mint" prices for damaged pieces, which I would think is what most people take issue with (i.e. the piece has been misrepresented). I agree with you on the price being relevant to the condition. And I wish every seller was completely upfront on condition without having to be asked. In this case the op said he got it the print for a "pretty good price" so from that I made the assumption it was below the current market cost. The op said he bought the print as an investment which I think is a bigger gamble than buying secondary market prints online. Just a to make it clear this was not an investment. If that were the case I would return in a split second. I'm just not an idiot either and don't want to pay pristine price and when if the time comes I have to sell I'll only get a small fraction. Haha Anyway I do really like the image and eas looking to hang the print. It seems that same may or may not be bothered by the damage. Guess it something to decide. Thanks for all the input! |
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Damaged print value question , by monkeyface on Apr 2, 2015 21:03:05 GMT 1, I agree with you on the price being relevant to the condition. And I wish every seller was completely upfront on condition without having to be asked. In this case the op said he got it the print for a "pretty good price" so from that I made the assumption it was below the current market cost. The op said he bought the print as an investment which I think is a bigger gamble than buying secondary market prints online. Just a to make it clear this was not an investment. If that were the case I would return in a split second. I'm just not an idiot either and don't want to pay pristine price and when if the time comes I have to sell I'll only get a small fraction. Haha Anyway I do really like the image and eas looking to hang the print. It seems that same may or may not be bothered by the damage. Guess it something to decide. Thanks for all the input!
The seller should have declared the damage to the back of the print even if you never asked about the damage.
I guess it all comes down to how much you like the print over knowing the back of it isn't perfect. I would say if it's still bothering you tomorrow contact the seller and see what he can do to remedy it. He knew he was being sly when he sold it without declaring the tape marks so he might throw some cash back instead of having to re-sell the print if you return it.
I agree with you on the price being relevant to the condition. And I wish every seller was completely upfront on condition without having to be asked. In this case the op said he got it the print for a "pretty good price" so from that I made the assumption it was below the current market cost. The op said he bought the print as an investment which I think is a bigger gamble than buying secondary market prints online. Just a to make it clear this was not an investment. If that were the case I would return in a split second. I'm just not an idiot either and don't want to pay pristine price and when if the time comes I have to sell I'll only get a small fraction. Haha Anyway I do really like the image and eas looking to hang the print. It seems that same may or may not be bothered by the damage. Guess it something to decide. Thanks for all the input! Sorry my bad. I've got my wires crossed with another thread I read or possibly imagined it was for a future investment. Before I went back a re-read your post I would have bet the house you mentioned an investment. Not sure how i made that mistake. Again sorry. The seller should have declared the damage to the back of the print even if you never asked about the damage. I guess it all comes down to how much you like the print over knowing the back of it isn't perfect. I would say if it's still bothering you tomorrow contact the seller and see what he can do to remedy it. He knew he was being sly when he sold it without declaring the tape marks so he might throw some cash back instead of having to re-sell the print if you return it. |
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Damaged print value question , by soulseeker on Apr 2, 2015 21:22:41 GMT 1, I feel for you murrke03 - haven't I received damaged prints more times than I care to mention, including some from well-known galleries, some artists and people who profess 'I know how to pack a print well!' and it's 'defo mint'. Most collectors of sometime can tell quite clearly if the damage was already there before packaging or if it happened during shipping.
Anyway, here's my tuppence for what it's worth: If you bought the print because you liked it, as is the case here,or even if you bought it as a future investment piece, the seller was remiss in not mentioning the damage, which does appear to be from removal from a frame. As such, even if the damage doesn't show when framed, and you are happy with that aspect and want to keep the print, I would definitely ask for a part refund - I would myself ask for 50% owing to the damage. Sorry, may have missed parts of this thread, but if you paid via paypal you have 180 days (I think) to put in a case should the seller not be forthcoming. Not sure how this works with bank transfer.
Oh, and if the seller obtained or sold you the print for 'below market price', the same still applies - this isn't a tiny ding or crease - they should've mentioned this had you asked the condition or not in my opinion. Get them told! These sort of sellers let us all down.
I feel for you murrke03 - haven't I received damaged prints more times than I care to mention, including some from well-known galleries, some artists and people who profess 'I know how to pack a print well!' and it's 'defo mint'. Most collectors of sometime can tell quite clearly if the damage was already there before packaging or if it happened during shipping.
Anyway, here's my tuppence for what it's worth: If you bought the print because you liked it, as is the case here,or even if you bought it as a future investment piece, the seller was remiss in not mentioning the damage, which does appear to be from removal from a frame. As such, even if the damage doesn't show when framed, and you are happy with that aspect and want to keep the print, I would definitely ask for a part refund - I would myself ask for 50% owing to the damage. Sorry, may have missed parts of this thread, but if you paid via paypal you have 180 days (I think) to put in a case should the seller not be forthcoming. Not sure how this works with bank transfer.
Oh, and if the seller obtained or sold you the print for 'below market price', the same still applies - this isn't a tiny ding or crease - they should've mentioned this had you asked the condition or not in my opinion. Get them told! These sort of sellers let us all down.
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Damaged print value question , by Lroy on Apr 2, 2015 21:27:33 GMT 1, You should ask danarge , from ebay - then, he subscribed here to read muy comments as a stalker -, this man who had other identities - and another adresses -, maybe here, and put me a bad and neutral feedback without telling me anything about the eelus print that I sold to him ! Coward !
Yes I wrote mint because for me it was mint ant it is mint ! Compared to the print that we see here ! Only a little - I saw it when I rolled it in the tube, that means that Don't panic did not tell me about and, anway, that is nothing ! !
" Print is not mint it has a scuff on the left hand edge " , this was not a scuff, but just a little defect in the paper, in mm, as microscopic thickness on the edge of the edge ?! Or maybe you have done it, traitor ?
Danarge ? an ennemy maybe ! Yo , mates, you can tell him ! If he has balls, he can send scans or pics of what it called it a scuff ?! Lyer, post it there and my friends will tell me if it was really a damage, compared to what we see here ?!
For 100 quids, lot It was not a Banksy !! Hater, show me your true face. Courage !
English people has courage, show me that.
Incredibe this affair !!!
" Mint, never say Mint " , you played with the words ! Little big man !
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EELUS-DARK-SIGNED-NUMBERED-Street-ART-PRINT-Rare-Banksy-DRAN-STIK-23-Ex-/111616680751
You should ask danarge , from ebay - then, he subscribed here to read muy comments as a stalker -, this man who had other identities - and another adresses -, maybe here, and put me a bad and neutral feedback without telling me anything about the eelus print that I sold to him ! Coward ! Yes I wrote mint because for me it was mint ant it is mint ! Compared to the print that we see here ! Only a little - I saw it when I rolled it in the tube, that means that Don't panic did not tell me about and, anway, that is nothing ! ! " Print is not mint it has a scuff on the left hand edge " , this was not a scuff, but just a little defect in the paper, in mm, as microscopic thickness on the edge of the edge ?! Or maybe you have done it, traitor ? Danarge ? an ennemy maybe ! Yo , mates, you can tell him ! If he has balls, he can send scans or pics of what it called it a scuff ?! Lyer, post it there and my friends will tell me if it was really a damage, compared to what we see here ?! For 100 quids, lot It was not a Banksy !! Hater, show me your true face. Courage ! English people has courage, show me that. Incredibe this affair !!! " Mint, never say Mint " , you played with the words ! Little big man ! www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EELUS-DARK-SIGNED-NUMBERED-Street-ART-PRINT-Rare-Banksy-DRAN-STIK-23-Ex-/111616680751 |
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Damaged print value question , by soulseeker on Apr 2, 2015 22:29:40 GMT 1, You should ask danarge , from ebay - then, he subscribed here to read muy comments as a stalker -, this man who had other identities - and another adresses -, maybe here, and put me a bad and neutral feedback without telling me anything about the eelus print that I sold to him ! Coward ! Yes I wrote mint because for me it was mint ant it is mint ! Compared to the print that we see here ! Only a little - I saw it when I rolled it in the tube, that means that Don't panic did not tell me about and, anway, that is nothing ! ! " Print is not mint it has a scuff on the left hand edge " , this was not a scuff, but just a little defect in the paper, in mm, as microscopic thickness on the edge of the edge ?! Or maybe you have done it, traitor ? Danarge ? an ennemy maybe ! Yo , mates, you can tell him ! If he has balls, he can send scans or pics of what it called it a scuff ?! Lyer, post it there and my friends will tell me if it was really a damage, compared to what we see here ?! For 100 quids, lot It was not a Banksy !! Hater, show me your true face. Courage ! English people has courage, show me that. Incredibe this affair !!! " Mint, never say Mint " , you played with the words ! Little big man ! www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EELUS-DARK-SIGNED-NUMBERED-Street-ART-PRINT-Rare-Banksy-DRAN-STIK-23-Ex-/111616680751
Mr Roy - don't let the guy upset you - just write under his feedback 'You must have needed a microscope to see that mate' - or similar
You should ask danarge , from ebay - then, he subscribed here to read muy comments as a stalker -, this man who had other identities - and another adresses -, maybe here, and put me a bad and neutral feedback without telling me anything about the eelus print that I sold to him ! Coward ! Yes I wrote mint because for me it was mint ant it is mint ! Compared to the print that we see here ! Only a little - I saw it when I rolled it in the tube, that means that Don't panic did not tell me about and, anway, that is nothing ! ! " Print is not mint it has a scuff on the left hand edge " , this was not a scuff, but just a little defect in the paper, in mm, as microscopic thickness on the edge of the edge ?! Or maybe you have done it, traitor ? Danarge ? an ennemy maybe ! Yo , mates, you can tell him ! If he has balls, he can send scans or pics of what it called it a scuff ?! Lyer, post it there and my friends will tell me if it was really a damage, compared to what we see here ?! For 100 quids, lot It was not a Banksy !! Hater, show me your true face. Courage ! English people has courage, show me that. Incredibe this affair !!! " Mint, never say Mint " , you played with the words ! Little big man ! www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EELUS-DARK-SIGNED-NUMBERED-Street-ART-PRINT-Rare-Banksy-DRAN-STIK-23-Ex-/111616680751yep - it's hazardous to say something is 'mint' as there may be a tiny flaw a seller can genuinely miss or consider to be acceptable - the buyer on the other hand may have a completely different definition of the word. Mr Roy - don't let the guy upset you - just write under his feedback 'You must have needed a microscope to see that mate' - or similar |
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Damaged print value question , by Wilson on Apr 2, 2015 22:38:15 GMT 1, I wouldn't take a lot of notice of one neutral feedback on EBay.
Give it a Gallic shrug
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I wouldn't take a lot of notice of one neutral feedback on EBay.
Give it a Gallic shrug
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Damaged print value question , by danarge on Apr 7, 2015 8:32:34 GMT 1, Right so now I've actually been approved (it's taken 10 days) and can write messages I will respond. Roy you have said to me you noticed it before you sent it which is the point at which you should have messaged me and sent me a picture of it. Mint is by definition perfect in every way nothing wrong with it at all. This print even from your own admission is not mint so therefore once the part in question had been noticed then I should have been informed and been able to make a decision about whether I still wanted the print. I'm sure your a good guy and it was an innocent incident. However why you need to moan about it over this forum I'm not really sure. At the end of the day I was the one who bought a mint print that wasn't mint and haven't moaned about it what so ever apart from the neutral feedback on eBay which since I've said I will change after your many messages. Whether it's a 15k nola or a £100 quid eelus I don't really think that that's the point. Let's just get on we clearly both love art and will be seeing lots of each other on these boards so have a great day and happy purchasing for the future
Right so now I've actually been approved (it's taken 10 days) and can write messages I will respond. Roy you have said to me you noticed it before you sent it which is the point at which you should have messaged me and sent me a picture of it. Mint is by definition perfect in every way nothing wrong with it at all. This print even from your own admission is not mint so therefore once the part in question had been noticed then I should have been informed and been able to make a decision about whether I still wanted the print. I'm sure your a good guy and it was an innocent incident. However why you need to moan about it over this forum I'm not really sure. At the end of the day I was the one who bought a mint print that wasn't mint and haven't moaned about it what so ever apart from the neutral feedback on eBay which since I've said I will change after your many messages. Whether it's a 15k nola or a £100 quid eelus I don't really think that that's the point. Let's just get on we clearly both love art and will be seeing lots of each other on these boards so have a great day and happy purchasing for the future
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Damaged print value question , by Lroy on Apr 12, 2015 15:53:45 GMT 1, Right so now I've actually been approved (it's taken 10 days) and can write messages I will respond. Roy you have said to me you noticed it before you sent it which is the point at which you should have messaged me and sent me a picture of it. Mint is by definition perfect in every way nothing wrong with it at all. This print even from your own admission is not mint so therefore once the part in question had been noticed then I should have been informed and been able to make a decision about whether I still wanted the print. I'm sure your a good guy and it was an innocent incident. However why you need to moan about it over this forum I'm not really sure. At the end of the day I was the one who bought a mint print that wasn't mint and haven't moaned about it what so ever apart from the neutral feedback on eBay which since I've said I will change after your many messages. Whether it's a 15k nola or a £100 quid eelus I don't really think that that's the point. Let's just get on we clearly both love art and will be seeing lots of each other on these boards so have a great day and happy purchasing for the future
Nope.
I sold you the print that Don't Panic sent to me, new - I should check then, maybe that's why it was not still sold out month after the sale :
I did not have any trouble with the shipping, tube was ok , nor have any problem with It : I did not notice - it is not a scuff, and I saw this defect on the edge in the paper - this little " bump" - I touch it : if it was " cut " I would feel it and would tell it to you - for me it is, or Don't Panic and Eelus are cheaters and lied to me, just before rolling it in the tube, I repeat.
I had the honesty - I could answer you : nope, I did not say nothing - to told you that, after that I saw your neutral and bad feedback ( sir, I sold canvas for more than 4k over the Pacific and posters from 1935 for more than 3 k each 10 years ago to the greatest collector of Paris !) , you should understand why I am still not happy : the first bad feedback since 2002, everybody telling me that I am a great seller, sympathic and honest, very scrupulous too , and when I feel injustice, for me or for everyone else, I can't stay quiet . I have a bad reputation now, and maybe you talk now, but you did not talk before.
I asked you first if you wanted another offer and you just said me no - here , you look cool but in mails, no hello, no goodbye, no thanks.
Then, you did not me anything about this, and " boom " , put me this bad feedback ! ( you should pay for the another AP Eelus at 200 pounds then on ebay - maybe the seller did not write " mint " ).
MInt is subjective. I mean I don't know what is mean, for me it's as " new " , and it was as new as I bought it IN THIS STATE from a gallery who sold it to me new !
Why did i talk about this bad affair on the forum ? Because there is mates who gave me good advices to answer you and I need a bit of friendship too.
I know that a lot here wouldl like to see me making my suitcase because of my english, because of me. I can copy/cut a splendid mail of Bienvenue that I received here ( from a great member ) :
the title was " French, " simply : " Your not welcome on the forum go away french toad we all think your crazy
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I answered : "Why I am not welcome, You are racist ? It is real , in other i won't post it ? Where is the problem ?
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then, he : " We like english not french you are crazy man like jps
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I answered : " you are JPS ! Lol !"
Him : " Who are you? Please do not bother me.
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Me : " You began mate "
Anyway, this post is coming a bit long and I am not the first at who you gave bad feedback ( anyway, how many pseudo have you or why your adress was not the good one well, never mind ).
Just, tell me - you said in your comment that you asked me to change the feedback - how can we change a feedback ( or send to you another EB form to change it ? )  ?? I am not silly If I could do that, I would do that!! You know as me, that, when the feedback is written with an answer, the case is closed ;(
Right so now I've actually been approved (it's taken 10 days) and can write messages I will respond. Roy you have said to me you noticed it before you sent it which is the point at which you should have messaged me and sent me a picture of it. Mint is by definition perfect in every way nothing wrong with it at all. This print even from your own admission is not mint so therefore once the part in question had been noticed then I should have been informed and been able to make a decision about whether I still wanted the print. I'm sure your a good guy and it was an innocent incident. However why you need to moan about it over this forum I'm not really sure. At the end of the day I was the one who bought a mint print that wasn't mint and haven't moaned about it what so ever apart from the neutral feedback on eBay which since I've said I will change after your many messages. Whether it's a 15k nola or a £100 quid eelus I don't really think that that's the point. Let's just get on we clearly both love art and will be seeing lots of each other on these boards so have a great day and happy purchasing for the future Nope. I sold you the print that Don't Panic sent to me, new - I should check then, maybe that's why it was not still sold out month after the sale : I did not have any trouble with the shipping, tube was ok , nor have any problem with It : I did not notice - it is not a scuff, and I saw this defect on the edge in the paper - this little " bump" - I touch it : if it was " cut " I would feel it and would tell it to you - for me it is, or Don't Panic and Eelus are cheaters and lied to me, just before rolling it in the tube, I repeat. I had the honesty - I could answer you : nope, I did not say nothing - to told you that, after that I saw your neutral and bad feedback ( sir, I sold canvas for more than 4k over the Pacific and posters from 1935 for more than 3 k each 10 years ago to the greatest collector of Paris !) , you should understand why I am still not happy : the first bad feedback since 2002, everybody telling me that I am a great seller, sympathic and honest, very scrupulous too , and when I feel injustice, for me or for everyone else, I can't stay quiet . I have a bad reputation now, and maybe you talk now, but you did not talk before. I asked you first if you wanted another offer and you just said me no - here , you look cool but in mails, no hello, no goodbye, no thanks. Then, you did not me anything about this, and " boom " , put me this bad feedback ! ( you should pay for the another AP Eelus at 200 pounds then on ebay - maybe the seller did not write " mint " ). MInt is subjective. I mean I don't know what is mean, for me it's as " new " , and it was as new as I bought it IN THIS STATE from a gallery who sold it to me new ! Why did i talk about this bad affair on the forum ? Because there is mates who gave me good advices to answer you and I need a bit of friendship too. I know that a lot here wouldl like to see me making my suitcase because of my english, because of me. I can copy/cut a splendid mail of Bienvenue that I received here ( from a great member ) : the title was " French, " simply : " Your not welcome on the forum go away french toad we all think your crazy
" I answered : "Why I am not welcome, You are racist ? It is real , in other i won't post it ? Where is the problem ? " then, he : " We like english not french you are crazy man like jps
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I answered : " you are JPS ! Lol !" Him : " Who are you? Please do not bother me.
" Me : " You began mate " Anyway, this post is coming a bit long and I am not the first at who you gave bad feedback ( anyway, how many pseudo have you or why your adress was not the good one well, never mind ). Just, tell me - you said in your comment that you asked me to change the feedback - how can we change a feedback ( or send to you another EB form to change it ? ) ?? I am not silly If I could do that, I would do that!! You know as me, that, when the feedback is written with an answer, the case is closed ;( |
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?? I am not silly If I could do that, I would do that!! You know as me, that, when the feedback is written with an answer, the case is closed ;(
