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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Hairbland on Apr 18, 2015 19:03:48 GMT 1, Critical thinking is never from a personal point of view, that's the first thing they teach you. "They?" Absolutely critical thinking is from a personal point of view. Experience dictates that but say I agree completely.ย ย Reaction to art is on a spectrum from visceral to your objective ย "critical" thinking" IMO. To pretend that one end of the spectrum is superior to the other in response to art is just high horse nonsense.ย
I think you've missed the point. You made the comment about you, becoming defensive over the love/lust thing, which I've since elaborated on. All good, that's what a forum is all about.
Critical thinking is never from a personal point of view, that's the first thing they teach you. "They?" Absolutely critical thinking is from a personal point of view. Experience dictates that but say I agree completely.ย ย Reaction to art is on a spectrum from visceral to your objective ย "critical" thinking" IMO. To pretend that one end of the spectrum is superior to the other in response to art is just high horse nonsense.ย I think you've missed the point. You made the comment about you, becoming defensive over the love/lust thing, which I've since elaborated on. All good, that's what a forum is all about.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by randomname on Apr 18, 2015 19:13:39 GMT 1, "Im ok with it being purely for aesthetics many artists I appreciate paint for the image not the concept, but they are honest with what they do and their intentions. Sandra seems to have people defend her based on the umbrella pop art/appropriation as if she really had some deep meaning, maybe her work just is good paintings." She can ascribe whatever ideas she wants to her art, and I can buy them for different reasons. I own two pieces and I am on the look out for a third or fourth because those comics when I was a kid were meaningful to me. Another artist could have appropriated them and put them in their art, but that doesnt mean I would have been attracted to the art as much or at all. Blatantly, i will say the aesthetic is incredibly appealing to me and I appreciate it for matching incredible eyes and women with comics of my youth that were tragic or enduring story arcs (for me). i suspect others may feel the same, but would be less willing to admit it because it lacks "depth" but whatever. I bought one of her first prints. I thought it worked fine as a cheap piece of pop art. The appropriation of comic book art is not what bothers me about her art. It's the general sense of dishonesty I get from her and her representation.
After I bought the print, I started following her on Facebook. A few months later, she posted one of her first "cage" canvasses for sale.
I pointed out the similarity to Marion Bolognesi's work. Her response was something to the effect of, "lol, I did this a couple years ago." The implication being that she did it before Marion.
After which, I pointed out that Marion had been doing it since at least 2007 and that she had her art in galleries around the world well before Sandra painted her version. Her response was to delete the post and remove the canvas for sale with no explanation. That left me with the impression she had something to hide.
Fast forward a few months and I brought up the Marion Bolognesi connection on here. JP responded that he told her that her work was too close to Marion Bolognesi and that she needed to do something different. For me, that cemented in my mind that Sandra was not being forthcoming. Why would she imply she was the one who created the look when she had already been told by her representation that it looked like someone else's art?
The other issue that bothers me to a lesser extent is the marketing. In one instance, she gives us some pretentious cliche about how her art represents society's unrealistic expectations of female beauty. And in the next, she reveals the true origins of her work. Her IKEA dresser broke. So she took the comic books she intended to cover it with and slapped them over a canvas that resembled another artist's work.
The lack of artistic integrity leaves a large gap between reality and hype for me. That might bother some collectors. It might not be an issue for others. But it is worth considering before you support someone's art.
"Im ok with it being purely for aesthetics many artists I appreciate paint for the image not the concept, but they are honest with what they do and their intentions. Sandra seems to have people defend her based on the umbrella pop art/appropriation as if she really had some deep meaning, maybe her work just is good paintings." She can ascribe whatever ideas she wants to her art, and I can buy them for different reasons. I own two pieces and I am on the look out for a third or fourth because those comics when I was a kid were meaningful to me. Another artist could have appropriated them and put them in their art, but that doesnt mean I would have been attracted to the art as much or at all. Blatantly, i will say the aesthetic is incredibly appealing to me and I appreciate it for matching incredible eyes and women with comics of my youth that were tragic or enduring story arcs (for me). i suspect others may feel the same, but would be less willing to admit it because it lacks "depth" but whatever. I bought one of her first prints. I thought it worked fine as a cheap piece of pop art. The appropriation of comic book art is not what bothers me about her art. It's the general sense of dishonesty I get from her and her representation. After I bought the print, I started following her on Facebook. A few months later, she posted one of her first "cage" canvasses for sale. I pointed out the similarity to Marion Bolognesi's work. Her response was something to the effect of, "lol, I did this a couple years ago." The implication being that she did it before Marion. After which, I pointed out that Marion had been doing it since at least 2007 and that she had her art in galleries around the world well before Sandra painted her version. Her response was to delete the post and remove the canvas for sale with no explanation. That left me with the impression she had something to hide. Fast forward a few months and I brought up the Marion Bolognesi connection on here. JP responded that he told her that her work was too close to Marion Bolognesi and that she needed to do something different. For me, that cemented in my mind that Sandra was not being forthcoming. Why would she imply she was the one who created the look when she had already been told by her representation that it looked like someone else's art? The other issue that bothers me to a lesser extent is the marketing. In one instance, she gives us some pretentious cliche about how her art represents society's unrealistic expectations of female beauty. And in the next, she reveals the true origins of her work. Her IKEA dresser broke. So she took the comic books she intended to cover it with and slapped them over a canvas that resembled another artist's work. The lack of artistic integrity leaves a large gap between reality and hype for me. That might bother some collectors. It might not be an issue for others. But it is worth considering before you support someone's art.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Bina on Apr 18, 2015 19:17:10 GMT 1, How does that account for the vast majority of her sales being to women ? Are they? Like, really, really? I'm so surprised. Nothing wrong with that. I just genuinely thought it would have been the other way. You'd know more than me though. Interesting. Shakes head at nuart, lol what a silly statement to make
How does that account for the vast majority of her sales being to women ? Are they? Like, really, really? I'm so surprised. Nothing wrong with that. I just genuinely thought it would have been the other way. You'd know more than me though. Interesting. Shakes head at nuart, lol what a silly statement to make
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by d.r. perseus on Apr 18, 2015 19:17:49 GMT 1, "They?" Absolutely critical thinking is from a personal point of view. Experience dictates that but say I agree completely. Reaction to art is on a spectrum from visceral to your objective "critical" thinking" IMO. To pretend that one end of the spectrum is superior to the other in response to art is just high horse nonsense. I think you've missed the point. You made the comment about you, becoming defensive over the love/lust thing, which I've since elaborated on. All good, that's what a forum is all about. I just thought it weird. Its no skin off my back what you think about SC. I too was just enjoying the convo. I typically dont discuss art..
"They?" Absolutely critical thinking is from a personal point of view. Experience dictates that but say I agree completely. Reaction to art is on a spectrum from visceral to your objective "critical" thinking" IMO. To pretend that one end of the spectrum is superior to the other in response to art is just high horse nonsense. I think you've missed the point. You made the comment about you, becoming defensive over the love/lust thing, which I've since elaborated on. All good, that's what a forum is all about. I just thought it weird. Its no skin off my back what you think about SC. I too was just enjoying the convo. I typically dont discuss art..
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 19:50:11 GMT 1, Are they? Like, really, really? I'm so surprised. Nothing wrong with that. I just genuinely thought it would have been the other way. You'd know more than me though. Interesting. Shakes head at nuart, lol what a silly statement to make 3 to 1 on original works for walk in clients and reserve list. Prints.. probably 7 out of 10 to guys in their 30's. The vast majority of works at the two shows we've produced went to local collectors who have zero knowledge of this board, Juxtapoz or the scene in general. There's something in her work that captures the "zeitgeist" which is why I imagine, it has captured peoples attention. Much like Jeremy Geddes before her. There was a sadness to her earlier pieces that like Geddes, left one with a feeling of existential forboding. Most people just see the sugar coating on top, see the work up close and you'll see many of these women are hurting.
Are they? Like, really, really? I'm so surprised. Nothing wrong with that. I just genuinely thought it would have been the other way. You'd know more than me though. Interesting. Shakes head at nuart, lol what a silly statement to make 3 to 1 on original works for walk in clients and reserve list. Prints.. probably 7 out of 10 to guys in their 30's. The vast majority of works at the two shows we've produced went to local collectors who have zero knowledge of this board, Juxtapoz or the scene in general. There's something in her work that captures the "zeitgeist" which is why I imagine, it has captured peoples attention. Much like Jeremy Geddes before her. There was a sadness to her earlier pieces that like Geddes, left one with a feeling of existential forboding. Most people just see the sugar coating on top, see the work up close and you'll see many of these women are hurting.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Fะฏ on Apr 18, 2015 19:51:48 GMT 1, "And I'll say it again; why hang in an art thread for an artist you dislike? It only makes the artist more popular." Is that true? Yes. carry on
"And I'll say it again; why hang in an art thread for an artist you dislike? It only makes the artist more popular." Is that true? Yes. carry on
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 20:05:02 GMT 1, I bought one of her first prints. I thought it worked fine as a cheap piece of pop art. The appropriation of comic book art is not what bothers me about her art. It's the general sense of dishonesty I get from her and her representation. After I bought the print, I started following her on Facebook. A few months later, she posted one of her first "cage" canvasses for sale. I pointed out the similarity to Marion Bolognesi's work. Her response was something to the effect of, "lol, I did this a couple years ago." The implication being that she did it before Marion. After which, I pointed out that Marion had been doing it since at least 2007 and that she had her art in galleries around the world well before Sandra painted her version. Her response was to delete the post. Ahhh, the plot thickens ! So it's personal. You bought a piece, fell in love with her, stalked her across social media and got hurt by her indifference to your advances, then took to the boards with a vengeance ! You know what they say, "there's nothing worse than a print collector scorned"
I bought one of her first prints. I thought it worked fine as a cheap piece of pop art. The appropriation of comic book art is not what bothers me about her art. It's the general sense of dishonesty I get from her and her representation. After I bought the print, I started following her on Facebook. A few months later, she posted one of her first "cage" canvasses for sale. I pointed out the similarity to Marion Bolognesi's work. Her response was something to the effect of, "lol, I did this a couple years ago." The implication being that she did it before Marion. After which, I pointed out that Marion had been doing it since at least 2007 and that she had her art in galleries around the world well before Sandra painted her version. Her response was to delete the post. Ahhh, the plot thickens ! So it's personal. You bought a piece, fell in love with her, stalked her across social media and got hurt by her indifference to your advances, then took to the boards with a vengeance ! You know what they say, "there's nothing worse than a print collector scorned"
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Fะฏ on Apr 18, 2015 20:07:21 GMT 1, I bought one of her first prints. I thought it worked fine as a cheap piece of pop art. The appropriation of comic book art is not what bothers me about her art. It's the general sense of dishonesty I get from her and her representation. After I bought the print, I started following her on Facebook. A few months later, she posted one of her first "cage" canvasses for sale. I pointed out the similarity to Marion Bolognesi's work. Her response was something to the effect of, "lol, I did this a couple years ago." The implication being that she did it before Marion. After which, I pointed out that Marion had been doing it since at least 2007 and that she had her art in galleries around the world well before Sandra painted her version. Her response was to delete the post. Ahhh, the plot thickens ! So it's personal. You bought a piece, fell in love with her, stalked her across social media and got hurt by her indifference to your advances, then took to the boards with a vengeance ! You know what they say, "there's nothing worse than a print collector scorned"
I remember when my dummy got taken away as well. really cried alot. then i snapped out if it when i realised i was 26.
I bought one of her first prints. I thought it worked fine as a cheap piece of pop art. The appropriation of comic book art is not what bothers me about her art. It's the general sense of dishonesty I get from her and her representation. After I bought the print, I started following her on Facebook. A few months later, she posted one of her first "cage" canvasses for sale. I pointed out the similarity to Marion Bolognesi's work. Her response was something to the effect of, "lol, I did this a couple years ago." The implication being that she did it before Marion. After which, I pointed out that Marion had been doing it since at least 2007 and that she had her art in galleries around the world well before Sandra painted her version. Her response was to delete the post. Ahhh, the plot thickens ! So it's personal. You bought a piece, fell in love with her, stalked her across social media and got hurt by her indifference to your advances, then took to the boards with a vengeance ! You know what they say, "there's nothing worse than a print collector scorned"
I remember when my dummy got taken away as well. really cried alot. then i snapped out if it when i realised i was 26.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 20:14:28 GMT 1, Ahhh, the plot thickens ! So it's personal. You bought a piece, fell in love with her, stalked her across social media and got hurt by her indifference to your advances, then took to the boards with a vengeance ! You know what they say, "there's nothing worse than a print collector scorned"
I remember when my dummy got taken away as well. really cried alot. then i snapped out if it when i realised i was 26. Just messin, hence the smiley face. Anyway, some interesting points made, good to be talking about art again at least.
Ahhh, the plot thickens ! So it's personal. You bought a piece, fell in love with her, stalked her across social media and got hurt by her indifference to your advances, then took to the boards with a vengeance ! You know what they say, "there's nothing worse than a print collector scorned"
I remember when my dummy got taken away as well. really cried alot. then i snapped out if it when i realised i was 26. Just messin, hence the smiley face. Anyway, some interesting points made, good to be talking about art again at least.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 20:38:36 GMT 1, La-Cage-menott_e-par-la-haine-11X14-2013-784x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr
La-Cage-et-la-fragilit_-de-l_me-humaine-30X40-2013-760x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr
La-Cage-quand-m_me-les-h_ros-sont-fragiles-780x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr
Dear SC - FTFY
nuart and FR its really hard to take you guys seriously when you have a vested financial interest. like ive said before, nuart your emotional dissection of the work is rock soup. who gives a shit if consumers with money enough to buy the work buy it. its approachable and digestible. those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash. Im not going to judge the artistic validity of someone based on if an uninformed buyer, buys it. People who are buying for that reason are buying for personal connection and most likely decorative reasons. (this will look so good in the hallway). thats not the type of collector I am.
id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal.
La-Cage-menott_e-par-la-haine-11X14-2013-784x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-et-la-fragilit_-de-l_me-humaine-30X40-2013-760x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-quand-m_me-les-h_ros-sont-fragiles-780x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr Dear SC - FTFY nuart and FR its really hard to take you guys seriously when you have a vested financial interest. like ive said before, nuart your emotional dissection of the work is rock soup. who gives a shit if consumers with money enough to buy the work buy it. its approachable and digestible. those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash. Im not going to judge the artistic validity of someone based on if an uninformed buyer, buys it. People who are buying for that reason are buying for personal connection and most likely decorative reasons. (this will look so good in the hallway). thats not the type of collector I am. id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by d.r. perseus on Apr 18, 2015 20:45:27 GMT 1, "id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. "
LOL. just lol.
"id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. "
LOL. just lol.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by d.r. perseus on Apr 18, 2015 20:48:14 GMT 1, '"In one instance, she gives us some pretentious cliche about how her art represents society's unrealistic expectations of female beauty. And in the next, she reveals the true origins of her work. Her IKEA dresser broke."
So you refute that people can add feelings to something (whether art, an event, as person) ex post facto? I accept that as a human trait that is common to all of us.
'"In one instance, she gives us some pretentious cliche about how her art represents society's unrealistic expectations of female beauty. And in the next, she reveals the true origins of her work. Her IKEA dresser broke."
So you refute that people can add feelings to something (whether art, an event, as person) ex post facto? I accept that as a human trait that is common to all of us.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Fะฏ on Apr 18, 2015 20:50:23 GMT 1, Right.. So you cannot be taken seriously if you own the artist. got you. Shame this has been a good thread up until now, that rabbit is getting a bit old now. so every single thread needs closing now as you do not like positive remarks. Quite selfish, no?
Right.. So you cannot be taken seriously if you own the artist. got you. Shame this has been a good thread up until now, that rabbit is getting a bit old now. so every single thread needs closing now as you do not like positive remarks. Quite selfish, no?
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 20:53:27 GMT 1, "id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. " LOL. just lol. Hey man, we all have ideas and motivations. Mine is to build a collection of important works by artists that I think are producing honest work and standout from the easily digestable work that is found everywhere in urban contemporary. Work that doesn't hide from the ugly, or the beautiful, art that seeks to communicate a bit of themselves. You may buy work because you like it visually. There are plenty of people that dont like this Ekundayo piece I own. I personally find Ekundayo's contorted and twisted translation of life to be honest, raw, and if you follow ekundayo you can see how this lens is built off his own experience.
"id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. " LOL. just lol. Hey man, we all have ideas and motivations. Mine is to build a collection of important works by artists that I think are producing honest work and standout from the easily digestable work that is found everywhere in urban contemporary. Work that doesn't hide from the ugly, or the beautiful, art that seeks to communicate a bit of themselves. You may buy work because you like it visually. There are plenty of people that dont like this Ekundayo piece I own. I personally find Ekundayo's contorted and twisted translation of life to be honest, raw, and if you follow ekundayo you can see how this lens is built off his own experience.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by coller on Apr 18, 2015 20:54:00 GMT 1, id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal.
The idea that buying/hanging art based on aesthetic appeal is an indicator of one's sophistication or lack thereof is hilarious to me, sorry.
id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. The idea that buying/hanging art based on aesthetic appeal is an indicator of one's sophistication or lack thereof is hilarious to me, sorry.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 20:55:23 GMT 1, Right.. So you cannot be taken seriously if you own the artist. got you. Shame this has been a good thread up until now, that rabbit is getting a bit old now. so every single thread needs closing now as you do not like positive remarks. Quite selfish, no? it needs to be filtered through your self interest. im a huge fan of elbow toe and own some significant pieces and for that reason if I tell you how great it is you should question my motivation. inspect my input, ensure that its not too heavily influenced by my situational bias.
Right.. So you cannot be taken seriously if you own the artist. got you. Shame this has been a good thread up until now, that rabbit is getting a bit old now. so every single thread needs closing now as you do not like positive remarks. Quite selfish, no? it needs to be filtered through your self interest. im a huge fan of elbow toe and own some significant pieces and for that reason if I tell you how great it is you should question my motivation. inspect my input, ensure that its not too heavily influenced by my situational bias.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 20:57:54 GMT 1, id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. The idea that buying/hanging art based on aesthetic appeal is an indicator of one's sophistication or lack thereof is hilarious to me, sorry. if we have a conversation about your collection and your explanation of the work is "his/her work is really cool" and i see a bunch of pretty shit, then yeah, I'll presume you buy for reasons disconnected from why i buy art. doesnt make you wrong but we definitely dont share motivation.
id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. The idea that buying/hanging art based on aesthetic appeal is an indicator of one's sophistication or lack thereof is hilarious to me, sorry. if we have a conversation about your collection and your explanation of the work is "his/her work is really cool" and i see a bunch of pretty shit, then yeah, I'll presume you buy for reasons disconnected from why i buy art. doesnt make you wrong but we definitely dont share motivation.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Fะฏ on Apr 18, 2015 20:58:18 GMT 1, Well, in a really roundabout way you are trying to silence those who own the art. Would like to see this raised on a banksy thread, then see how far you get. It is a quite self centered statement there.
Well, in a really roundabout way you are trying to silence those who own the art. Would like to see this raised on a banksy thread, then see how far you get. It is a quite self centered statement there.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 20:58:26 GMT 1, La-Cage-menott_e-par-la-haine-11X14-2013-784x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-et-la-fragilit_-de-l_me-humaine-30X40-2013-760x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-quand-m_me-les-h_ros-sont-fragiles-780x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr Dear SC - FTFY nuart and FR its really hard to take you guys seriously when you have a vested financial interest. like ive said before, nuart your emotional dissection of the work is rock soup. who gives a s**t if consumers with money enough to buy the work buy it. its approachable and digestible. those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash. Im not going to judge the artistic validity of someone based on if an uninformed buyer, buys it. People who are buying for that reason are buying for personal connection and most likely decorative reasons. (this will look so good in the hallway). thats not the type of collector I am. id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. "those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash"
Those same collectors have Sol LeWitt, Anthony Gormely, Bjarne Melgaard and Corey Arcangel in their collection.
Sorry, but I generally don't understand your point. You're quite passionate about your dislike of Sandra's work. 1. You don't like it because it uses Marvel superheros without seeking legal permission. 2. You think it's disposable pop with no real deeper meaning. 3. You don't like the use of beautiful women in art.
La-Cage-menott_e-par-la-haine-11X14-2013-784x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-et-la-fragilit_-de-l_me-humaine-30X40-2013-760x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-quand-m_me-les-h_ros-sont-fragiles-780x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr Dear SC - FTFY nuart and FR its really hard to take you guys seriously when you have a vested financial interest. like ive said before, nuart your emotional dissection of the work is rock soup. who gives a s**t if consumers with money enough to buy the work buy it. its approachable and digestible. those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash. Im not going to judge the artistic validity of someone based on if an uninformed buyer, buys it. People who are buying for that reason are buying for personal connection and most likely decorative reasons. (this will look so good in the hallway). thats not the type of collector I am. id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. "those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash"Those same collectors have Sol LeWitt, Anthony Gormely, Bjarne Melgaard and Corey Arcangel in their collection. Sorry, but I generally don't understand your point. You're quite passionate about your dislike of Sandra's work. 1. You don't like it because it uses Marvel superheros without seeking legal permission. 2. You think it's disposable pop with no real deeper meaning. 3. You don't like the use of beautiful women in art.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by d.r. perseus on Apr 18, 2015 21:00:51 GMT 1, @ Sin I have no problem with that. I am laughing because you think that just because I visually like a piece and put it up on my wall, I care at all what other people think. Its you that is hanging art on your wall to get a reaction (or at least enjoying the reaction you get), whatever reaction. I hang stuff that I either like visually, or that which affects me in visceral fashion. Those two can be mutually exclusive or overlapping...
I dont pander to other peoples reactions nor want them (its a joke). i buy works important to me. You act is if your are curating a museum. I admire it but its not for me (although tastes change over time).
@ Sin I have no problem with that. I am laughing because you think that just because I visually like a piece and put it up on my wall, I care at all what other people think. Its you that is hanging art on your wall to get a reaction (or at least enjoying the reaction you get), whatever reaction. I hang stuff that I either like visually, or that which affects me in visceral fashion. Those two can be mutually exclusive or overlapping...
I dont pander to other peoples reactions nor want them (its a joke). i buy works important to me. You act is if your are curating a museum. I admire it but its not for me (although tastes change over time).
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by coller on Apr 18, 2015 21:03:40 GMT 1, I think most people who like an artist will own art by that artist, absent a price barrier. The majority of hype accusations on here are unfounded IMO, at least w/r/t users 'hyping' artists for the purpose of increasing the value of the work. The hype accusations seem to often come from a bad place.
People just buy art they like, and enjoy talking about art they like. Thus they'll usually own art by an artist they like/talk about, and they'll know a lot about that artist so they contribute a lot to discussions about that artist.
I think most people who like an artist will own art by that artist, absent a price barrier. The majority of hype accusations on here are unfounded IMO, at least w/r/t users 'hyping' artists for the purpose of increasing the value of the work. The hype accusations seem to often come from a bad place.
People just buy art they like, and enjoy talking about art they like. Thus they'll usually own art by an artist they like/talk about, and they'll know a lot about that artist so they contribute a lot to discussions about that artist.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 21:05:31 GMT 1, Well, in a really roundabout way you are trying to silence those who own the art. Would like to see this raised on a banksy thread, then see how far you get. It is a quite self centered statement there. I've not tried to silence anyone. I'm just rebuffing your assertions. Not sure why you are deflecting this to a banksy conversation? really lost you there.
Well, in a really roundabout way you are trying to silence those who own the art. Would like to see this raised on a banksy thread, then see how far you get. It is a quite self centered statement there. I've not tried to silence anyone. I'm just rebuffing your assertions. Not sure why you are deflecting this to a banksy conversation? really lost you there.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Fะฏ on Apr 18, 2015 21:09:48 GMT 1, Everytime someone talks about this in a postive way, you dont like it. Explain?
Everytime someone talks about this in a postive way, you dont like it. Explain?
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Coach on Apr 18, 2015 21:10:44 GMT 1, "id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. " LOL. just lol. Hey man, we all have ideas and motivations.ย Mine is to build a collection of important works by artists that I think are producing honest work and standout from the easily digestable work that is found everywhere in urban contemporary.ย Work that doesn't hide from the ugly, or the beautiful, art that seeks to communicate a bit of themselves.ย You may buy work because you like it visually.ย There are plenty of people that dont like this Ekundayo piece I own.ย I personally find Ekundayo's contorted and twisted translation of life to be honest, raw, and if you follow ekundayo you can see how this lens is built off his own experience.ย
That's a terrific painting. Like you, I love art that challenges. So many people dislike much of what I own. I like my art to make me stop and think. Probably explains why Jenny Saville is my favorite artist.
"id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. " LOL. just lol. Hey man, we all have ideas and motivations.ย Mine is to build a collection of important works by artists that I think are producing honest work and standout from the easily digestable work that is found everywhere in urban contemporary.ย Work that doesn't hide from the ugly, or the beautiful, art that seeks to communicate a bit of themselves.ย You may buy work because you like it visually.ย There are plenty of people that dont like this Ekundayo piece I own.ย I personally find Ekundayo's contorted and twisted translation of life to be honest, raw, and if you follow ekundayo you can see how this lens is built off his own experience.ย That's a terrific painting. Like you, I love art that challenges. So many people dislike much of what I own. I like my art to make me stop and think. Probably explains why Jenny Saville is my favorite artist.
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sin
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 21:11:36 GMT 1, La-Cage-menott_e-par-la-haine-11X14-2013-784x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-et-la-fragilit_-de-l_me-humaine-30X40-2013-760x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-quand-m_me-les-h_ros-sont-fragiles-780x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr Dear SC - FTFY nuart and FR its really hard to take you guys seriously when you have a vested financial interest. like ive said before, nuart your emotional dissection of the work is rock soup. who gives a s**t if consumers with money enough to buy the work buy it. its approachable and digestible. those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash. Im not going to judge the artistic validity of someone based on if an uninformed buyer, buys it. People who are buying for that reason are buying for personal connection and most likely decorative reasons. (this will look so good in the hallway). thats not the type of collector I am. id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. "those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash"Those same collectors have Sol LeWitt, Anthony Gormely, Bjarne Melgaard and Corey Arcangel in their collection. Sorry, but I generally don't understand your point. You're quite passionate about your dislike of Sandra's work. 1. You don't like it because it uses Marvel superheros without seeking legal permission. 2. You think it's disposable pop with no real deeper meaning. 3. You don't like the use of beautiful women in art. then those collectors are in a strange land with SC's work. great artists there. Sol LeWitt I specifically love. Saw an amazing screen print in person a while back. Maybe they were buying something for their kids room or the bathroom 'cause SC isnt git to carry SC's bag.
yes, i think that taking other peoples art and monetizing it is bullshit. yes i think this work is vapid, where the appealing nature about it drew attention and then a narrative was built later. generally i think that using IDEALIZED women in art is dishonest and unless its matched with some really powerful elements that it's "mailing it in". its yelling a city's name to get people to shout back at a concert. its digestible and i think its weak.
La-Cage-menott_e-par-la-haine-11X14-2013-784x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-et-la-fragilit_-de-l_me-humaine-30X40-2013-760x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-quand-m_me-les-h_ros-sont-fragiles-780x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr Dear SC - FTFY nuart and FR its really hard to take you guys seriously when you have a vested financial interest. like ive said before, nuart your emotional dissection of the work is rock soup. who gives a s**t if consumers with money enough to buy the work buy it. its approachable and digestible. those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash. Im not going to judge the artistic validity of someone based on if an uninformed buyer, buys it. People who are buying for that reason are buying for personal connection and most likely decorative reasons. (this will look so good in the hallway). thats not the type of collector I am. id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. "those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash"Those same collectors have Sol LeWitt, Anthony Gormely, Bjarne Melgaard and Corey Arcangel in their collection. Sorry, but I generally don't understand your point. You're quite passionate about your dislike of Sandra's work. 1. You don't like it because it uses Marvel superheros without seeking legal permission. 2. You think it's disposable pop with no real deeper meaning. 3. You don't like the use of beautiful women in art. then those collectors are in a strange land with SC's work. great artists there. Sol LeWitt I specifically love. Saw an amazing screen print in person a while back. Maybe they were buying something for their kids room or the bathroom 'cause SC isnt git to carry SC's bag. yes, i think that taking other peoples art and monetizing it is bullshit. yes i think this work is vapid, where the appealing nature about it drew attention and then a narrative was built later. generally i think that using IDEALIZED women in art is dishonest and unless its matched with some really powerful elements that it's "mailing it in". its yelling a city's name to get people to shout back at a concert. its digestible and i think its weak.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Apr 18, 2015 21:12:03 GMT 1, La-Cage-menott_e-par-la-haine-11X14-2013-784x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-et-la-fragilit_-de-l_me-humaine-30X40-2013-760x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-quand-m_me-les-h_ros-sont-fragiles-780x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr Dear SC - FTFY nuart and FR its really hard to take you guys seriously when you have a vested financial interest. like ive said before, nuart your emotional dissection of the work is rock soup. who gives a s**t if consumers with money enough to buy the work buy it. its approachable and digestible. those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash. Im not going to judge the artistic validity of someone based on if an uninformed buyer, buys it. People who are buying for that reason are buying for personal connection and most likely decorative reasons. (this will look so good in the hallway). thats not the type of collector I am. id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. Its not Just Sandra really, its this whole new genre of New Contemporary which is quoted to be "put quite simply the New Contemporary Art Movement is art for the people.". This new genre of what some call decorative/aesthetic does speak to the people because it is usually digestible. I agree with your stance I like my work to have more substance than shine and my idea of art for the people is different then theirs. I think Public art/graffiti/street art is art for the people not because its easier digested but because its placed in public for the people and yes some of it is aesthetic but that alone doesnt define it.
Many artists have deeper meanings behind their work but the work usually speaks for itself.
La-Cage-menott_e-par-la-haine-11X14-2013-784x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-et-la-fragilit_-de-l_me-humaine-30X40-2013-760x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr La-Cage-quand-m_me-les-h_ros-sont-fragiles-780x1024 by customcourage, on Flickr Dear SC - FTFY nuart and FR its really hard to take you guys seriously when you have a vested financial interest. like ive said before, nuart your emotional dissection of the work is rock soup. who gives a s**t if consumers with money enough to buy the work buy it. its approachable and digestible. those same collectors would likely throw a Francis Bacon work in the trash. Im not going to judge the artistic validity of someone based on if an uninformed buyer, buys it. People who are buying for that reason are buying for personal connection and most likely decorative reasons. (this will look so good in the hallway). thats not the type of collector I am. id much rather place a challenging work by an artists seeking to translate their experience, that half the people who come to the house recoil from, or scratch their head about, than own something 90 percent of the people that come to the house like. if its not generally polarizing its likely not honest and is instead seeking too pander too much to general visual appeal. Its not Just Sandra really, its this whole new genre of New Contemporary which is quoted to be "put quite simply the New Contemporary Art Movement is art for the people.". This new genre of what some call decorative/aesthetic does speak to the people because it is usually digestible. I agree with your stance I like my work to have more substance than shine and my idea of art for the people is different then theirs. I think Public art/graffiti/street art is art for the people not because its easier digested but because its placed in public for the people and yes some of it is aesthetic but that alone doesnt define it. Many artists have deeper meanings behind their work but the work usually speaks for itself.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by coller on Apr 18, 2015 21:12:20 GMT 1, The idea that buying/hanging art based on aesthetic appeal is an indicator of one's sophistication or lack thereof is hilarious to me, sorry. if we have a conversation about your collection and your explanation of the work is "his/her work is really cool" and i see a bunch of pretty s**t, then yeah, I'll presume you buy for reasons disconnected from why i buy art. doesnt make you wrong but we definitely dont share motivation. I guess what I'm trying to say is that anyone can have that explanation for some art in their collection, while also having other art purchased for the reasons you buy art. Most people like looking at pretty shit, so I assume most people have some in their collection. It's not like they're betraying art by doing so.
I'd honestly hope most people on here have at least one piece they bought solely because it was pretty/cool looking; not all art has to be serious. And you need something for the kid's room!
The idea that buying/hanging art based on aesthetic appeal is an indicator of one's sophistication or lack thereof is hilarious to me, sorry. if we have a conversation about your collection and your explanation of the work is "his/her work is really cool" and i see a bunch of pretty s**t, then yeah, I'll presume you buy for reasons disconnected from why i buy art. doesnt make you wrong but we definitely dont share motivation. I guess what I'm trying to say is that anyone can have that explanation for some art in their collection, while also having other art purchased for the reasons you buy art. Most people like looking at pretty shit, so I assume most people have some in their collection. It's not like they're betraying art by doing so. I'd honestly hope most people on here have at least one piece they bought solely because it was pretty/cool looking; not all art has to be serious. And you need something for the kid's room!
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 21:14:05 GMT 1, @ Sin I have no problem with that. I am laughing because you think that just because I visually like a piece and put it up on my wall, I care at all what other people think. Its you that is hanging art on your wall to get a reaction (or at least enjoying the reaction you get), whatever reaction. I hang stuff that I either like visually, or that which affects me in visceral fashion. Those two can be mutually exclusive or overlapping... I dont pander to other peoples reactions nor want them (its a joke). i buy works important to me. You act is if your are curating a museum. I admire it but its not for me (although tastes change over time). im not making that assertion about you. im sorry i can see i wasnt clear. i think you brought it because you liked it. i think the artist made it because they thought more people would like it. there is nothing wrong with a pop song. but some pop songs are so vapid, so manufactured, that they remove all the art out of it. when artists start creating based on visual appeal i think the soul is out of the equation.
@ Sin I have no problem with that. I am laughing because you think that just because I visually like a piece and put it up on my wall, I care at all what other people think. Its you that is hanging art on your wall to get a reaction (or at least enjoying the reaction you get), whatever reaction. I hang stuff that I either like visually, or that which affects me in visceral fashion. Those two can be mutually exclusive or overlapping... I dont pander to other peoples reactions nor want them (its a joke). i buy works important to me. You act is if your are curating a museum. I admire it but its not for me (although tastes change over time). im not making that assertion about you. im sorry i can see i wasnt clear. i think you brought it because you liked it. i think the artist made it because they thought more people would like it. there is nothing wrong with a pop song. but some pop songs are so vapid, so manufactured, that they remove all the art out of it. when artists start creating based on visual appeal i think the soul is out of the equation.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 21:15:26 GMT 1, Everytime someone talks about this in a postive way, you dont like it. Explain? doesnt mean i dont want you to say it, just want to provide balance. you are a fan, im an anti fan. secondarily i think your praise is fortified with financial benefit.
Everytime someone talks about this in a postive way, you dont like it. Explain? doesnt mean i dont want you to say it, just want to provide balance. you are a fan, im an anti fan. secondarily i think your praise is fortified with financial benefit.
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Chevrier,Handiedan and Mimi Sholz at JLG, by sin on Apr 18, 2015 21:16:52 GMT 1, I think most people who like an artist will own art by that artist, absent a price barrier. The majority of hype accusations on here are unfounded IMO, at least w/r/t users 'hyping' artists for the purpose of increasing the value of the work. The hype accusations seem to often come from a bad place. People just buy art they like, and enjoy talking about art they like. Thus they'll usually own art by an artist they like/talk about, and they'll know a lot about that artist so they contribute a lot to discussions about that artist. gallerists / dealers and members who regularly move work of the artist lost their objectivity. i agree owning an artists doesn't always suggest nafarious motives, some of it is just the joy of sharing things you love. the less you sell work, the more its easy to trust the motives.
I think most people who like an artist will own art by that artist, absent a price barrier. The majority of hype accusations on here are unfounded IMO, at least w/r/t users 'hyping' artists for the purpose of increasing the value of the work. The hype accusations seem to often come from a bad place. People just buy art they like, and enjoy talking about art they like. Thus they'll usually own art by an artist they like/talk about, and they'll know a lot about that artist so they contribute a lot to discussions about that artist. gallerists / dealers and members who regularly move work of the artist lost their objectivity. i agree owning an artists doesn't always suggest nafarious motives, some of it is just the joy of sharing things you love. the less you sell work, the more its easy to trust the motives.
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