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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Dr Plip on Aug 26, 2015 21:34:47 GMT 1, It's one of those shows that needs to be attended for sure. The atmosphere is part of the art. I will load up the spoiler thread with photos. Seeing the same photos repeatedly is ruining it. Im already sick of seeing it. im just going next week to steal a rubber duck, sod it.
It's one of those shows that needs to be attended for sure. The atmosphere is part of the art. I will load up the spoiler thread with photos. Seeing the same photos repeatedly is ruining it. Im already sick of seeing it. im just going next week to steal a rubber duck, sod it. By next week there'll be one duck floating around. |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Coach on Aug 26, 2015 21:34:31 GMT 1, Ok, I can't be there, but from the photos I have seen I'm not that impressed with Dismaland. Of course you might say the whole point is to be disappointed  but I feel it looks a bit like a wasted opportunity for what could have been a really special Art event, thinking back to the Cans Tunnel and Bristol Museum shows. Seeing the images and news reports on TV made it look a bit less like a real art event and more like some kind of "Grumpy Old Men" theme park. I think it's edged into being more a political "Grumpy Old Men" than what could be seen as a Art event. Sorry, just my opinion.
Honestly, it's brilliant.
There have been few photos of the galleries, which are fabulous.
Then there are the different tents, vans, libraries etc which again are great.
The attractions/games are a tiny part of it.
It would have been worth the trip just to see the Cauty model village.
I could go on and on.
It's far better than any art show I've ever been to before.
As has been said by others, photos tell only a tiny fraction of what it's like to be there.
Ok, I can't be there, but from the photos I have seen I'm not that impressed with Dismaland. Of course you might say the whole point is to be disappointed but I feel it looks a bit like a wasted opportunity for what could have been a really special Art event, thinking back to the Cans Tunnel and Bristol Museum shows. Seeing the images and news reports on TV made it look a bit less like a real art event and more like some kind of "Grumpy Old Men" theme park. I think it's edged into being more a political "Grumpy Old Men" than what could be seen as a Art event. Sorry, just my opinion. Honestly, it's brilliant. There have been few photos of the galleries, which are fabulous. Then there are the different tents, vans, libraries etc which again are great. The attractions/games are a tiny part of it. It would have been worth the trip just to see the Cauty model village. I could go on and on. It's far better than any art show I've ever been to before. As has been said by others, photos tell only a tiny fraction of what it's like to be there. |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 21:40:41 GMT 1, Ok, I can't be there, but from the photos I have seen I'm not that impressed with Dismaland. Of course you might say the whole point is to be disappointed but I feel it looks a bit like a wasted opportunity for what could have been a really special Art event, thinking back to the Cans Tunnel and Bristol Museum shows. Seeing the images and news reports on TV made it look a bit less like a real art event and more like some kind of "Grumpy Old Men" theme park. I think it's edged into being more a political "Grumpy Old Men" than what could be seen as a Art event. Sorry, just my opinion.
Ok, I can't be there, but from the photos I have seen I'm not that impressed with Dismaland. Of course you might say the whole point is to be disappointed but I feel it looks a bit like a wasted opportunity for what could have been a really special Art event, thinking back to the Cans Tunnel and Bristol Museum shows. Seeing the images and news reports on TV made it look a bit less like a real art event and more like some kind of "Grumpy Old Men" theme park. I think it's edged into being more a political "Grumpy Old Men" than what could be seen as a Art event. Sorry, just my opinion. You couldn't be further from the truth. |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Dr Plip on Aug 26, 2015 21:44:00 GMT 1, Like Coach said, the photos just don't do the work justice. The Cinderella piece for example, the still images are nowhere near as impressive or disturbing as it is "in person".
And yeah, I thought I knew what to expect with the Cauty diorama, but wow, It's just huge and amazing. You could spend an hour looking at just that.
I think the whole place was just brilliant. And it's such a clever way to get, not just the art anoraks in, but a lot of the general public and exposing them to ideas and themes that they might not usually want to think about.
Some might go away thinking it's just ripping off Disney, but hopefully some (a lot) will take more from it. It was great seeing kids asking their parents questions about the works. Some of the answers weren't great, but I commend Banksy and all the artists for coming up with a great way of getting these messages across to people. And you can have fun while you're there.
I had an absolute ball there. And if I die in the next few weeks, I'd like my corpse left on one of the rides at Dismaland.
Like Coach said, the photos just don't do the work justice. The Cinderella piece for example, the still images are nowhere near as impressive or disturbing as it is "in person".
And yeah, I thought I knew what to expect with the Cauty diorama, but wow, It's just huge and amazing. You could spend an hour looking at just that.
I think the whole place was just brilliant. And it's such a clever way to get, not just the art anoraks in, but a lot of the general public and exposing them to ideas and themes that they might not usually want to think about.
Some might go away thinking it's just ripping off Disney, but hopefully some (a lot) will take more from it. It was great seeing kids asking their parents questions about the works. Some of the answers weren't great, but I commend Banksy and all the artists for coming up with a great way of getting these messages across to people. And you can have fun while you're there.
I had an absolute ball there. And if I die in the next few weeks, I'd like my corpse left on one of the rides at Dismaland.
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by FЯ on Aug 26, 2015 21:48:01 GMT 1, Seeing the same photos repeatedly is ruining it. Im already sick of seeing it. im just going next week to steal a rubber duck, sod it. By next week there'll be one duck floating around.
Seeing the same photos repeatedly is ruining it. Im already sick of seeing it. im just going next week to steal a rubber duck, sod it. By next week there'll be one duck floating around. Its mine. |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by ABC on Aug 26, 2015 21:53:40 GMT 1, Ok, I can't be there, but from the photos I have seen I'm not that impressed with Dismaland. Of course you might say the whole point is to be disappointed but I feel it looks a bit like a wasted opportunity for what could have been a really special Art event, thinking back to the Cans Tunnel and Bristol Museum shows. Seeing the images and news reports on TV made it look a bit less like a real art event and more like some kind of "Grumpy Old Men" theme park. I think it's edged into being more a political "Grumpy Old Men" than what could be seen as a Art event. Sorry, just my opinion. Honestly, it's brilliant. There have been few photos of the galleries, which are fabulous. Then there are the different tents, vans, libraries etc which again are great. The attractions/games are a tiny part of it. It would have been worth the trip just to see the Cauty model village. I could go on and on. It's far better than any art show I've ever been to before. As has been said by others, photos tell only a tiny fraction of what it's like to be there.
Ok, I can't be there, but from the photos I have seen I'm not that impressed with Dismaland. Of course you might say the whole point is to be disappointed but I feel it looks a bit like a wasted opportunity for what could have been a really special Art event, thinking back to the Cans Tunnel and Bristol Museum shows. Seeing the images and news reports on TV made it look a bit less like a real art event and more like some kind of "Grumpy Old Men" theme park. I think it's edged into being more a political "Grumpy Old Men" than what could be seen as a Art event. Sorry, just my opinion. Honestly, it's brilliant. There have been few photos of the galleries, which are fabulous. Then there are the different tents, vans, libraries etc which again are great. The attractions/games are a tiny part of it. It would have been worth the trip just to see the Cauty model village. I could go on and on. It's far better than any art show I've ever been to before. As has been said by others, photos tell only a tiny fraction of what it's like to be there. I've put some photos of the gallery on the spoiler thread. |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by notudon on Aug 26, 2015 22:24:29 GMT 1, I have 1 ticket for 7pm Thursday, 3 for 11am Friday and 1 for Friday 7pm available at cost or similar value souvenir. Flying in from Dubai now and will not be able to check messages for a while. Pm me if you. Are interested. Otherwise I'll just hook up people in the ticket queue. Can't explain how excited I am to be going.
I have 1 ticket for 7pm Thursday, 3 for 11am Friday and 1 for Friday 7pm available at cost or similar value souvenir. Flying in from Dubai now and will not be able to check messages for a while. Pm me if you. Are interested. Otherwise I'll just hook up people in the ticket queue. Can't explain how excited I am to be going.
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by begs on Aug 26, 2015 22:35:42 GMT 1, Looking for two tickets for sat or sunday if anybody can help
many thanks begs
Looking for two tickets for sat or sunday if anybody can help
many thanks begs
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by aberdoom on Aug 26, 2015 22:39:22 GMT 1, I bought 2 tickets for tomorrow... we couldn't get a babysitter, quickly bought the extra Friday tickets... still no babysitter so the missus sent me on my merry way! Currently in WSM. If no one wants tomorrow's ticket then I'll give it out for free at the venue!
1x Ticket Thursday 27th 11am (Free - can meet in WSM)
2x Tickets Friday 28th 9pm (Cost - £30)
I bought 2 tickets for tomorrow... we couldn't get a babysitter, quickly bought the extra Friday tickets... still no babysitter so the missus sent me on my merry way! Currently in WSM. If no one wants tomorrow's ticket then I'll give it out for free at the venue!
1x Ticket Thursday 27th 11am (Free - can meet in WSM)
2x Tickets Friday 28th 9pm (Cost - £30)
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by begs on Aug 26, 2015 22:44:55 GMT 1, wish I could make it looking for two tickets for Saturday or sunday
wish I could make it looking for two tickets for Saturday or sunday
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by leecd on Aug 26, 2015 22:52:46 GMT 1, Really excited to see they have added a Schools tab to the Dismaland website. I'm going to try my best to take a group of 20 Chd I take for grafitti club after school. Just need to get the nod from the Head and parents as they are aged 7-10 but I know they would love it.
Really excited to see they have added a Schools tab to the Dismaland website. I'm going to try my best to take a group of 20 Chd I take for grafitti club after school. Just need to get the nod from the Head and parents as they are aged 7-10 but I know they would love it.
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by 1xilch on Aug 26, 2015 22:55:09 GMT 1, Anyone know if you can transfer tickets bought via Seetickets? Missed them on the website, might have a chance of getting some - not sure if they will be accepted? Birthday treat so hoping they will be Can try this to accompany your tix:http://www.seetickets.com/christmasvoucher/
Anyone know if you can transfer tickets bought via Seetickets? Missed them on the website, might have a chance of getting some - not sure if they will be accepted? Birthday treat so hoping they will be Can try this to accompany your tix:http://www.seetickets.com/christmasvoucher/ thanks |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by shavenhobo on Aug 26, 2015 23:02:03 GMT 1, Just got back. Was an awesome show but take lots of cash as I had to step out and quick match up the prom to get some. Was a lovely day, sunny and WSM seems like a nice place. Work wise there are some really strong pieces and some filler. Thought the side shows would be more fun but the atmosphere is really exciting. Loved the music and Jenny Holzer sound piece. They had run out of balloons when I went and the spanner set. Riot shields were £600 and they look frickin awesome, no decent prints left from what I could see atm. Worth going to, not mind blowing but strangely fun with some great pieces. Immigration tent was hard hitting.
Also not that I entertain flipping they didn't check my ID which I was pretty annoyed about but all security seemed really nice.
Just got back. Was an awesome show but take lots of cash as I had to step out and quick match up the prom to get some. Was a lovely day, sunny and WSM seems like a nice place. Work wise there are some really strong pieces and some filler. Thought the side shows would be more fun but the atmosphere is really exciting. Loved the music and Jenny Holzer sound piece. They had run out of balloons when I went and the spanner set. Riot shields were £600 and they look frickin awesome, no decent prints left from what I could see atm. Worth going to, not mind blowing but strangely fun with some great pieces. Immigration tent was hard hitting.
Also not that I entertain flipping they didn't check my ID which I was pretty annoyed about but all security seemed really nice.
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by daniel3886 on Aug 26, 2015 23:14:49 GMT 1, Anyone know if you can show your ticket PDF on your phone? Printer is playing up!
Anyone know if you can show your ticket PDF on your phone? Printer is playing up!
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Hubble Bubble on Aug 26, 2015 23:19:12 GMT 1, I'm just back from tonight's show (well, staying over in WSM actually). Went with my eldest (Uni age) daughter Who was in awe of the whole thing.
My thoughts -- AMAZING... a true visionary at work, supported by incredibly powerful lieutenants.
Sell a kidney if you have to but, whatever you do, get a ticket.
HB
I'm just back from tonight's show (well, staying over in WSM actually). Went with my eldest (Uni age) daughter Who was in awe of the whole thing.
My thoughts -- AMAZING... a true visionary at work, supported by incredibly powerful lieutenants.
Sell a kidney if you have to but, whatever you do, get a ticket.
HB
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Coach on Aug 26, 2015 23:40:05 GMT 1, I agree and have done the same with both of mine. Even though been told off by security a few times! They should really encourage children to watch and take part of art. In many ways. It would be amazing if Dismaland had a 'kids day only' entrance for adult o n l y, if they have at least five kids with them. Or only open for schools. Oh happy days.
You suggested it, and now it has happened!!
I agree and have done the same with both of mine. Even though been told off by security a few times! They should really encourage children to watch and take part of art. In many ways. It would be amazing if Dismaland had a 'kids day only' entrance for adult o n l y, if they have at least five kids with them. Or only open for schools. Oh happy days. You suggested it, and now it has happened!! |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Forbidden Love on Aug 26, 2015 23:48:12 GMT 1, now sold for cost to a forum member. have a great time!
now sold for cost to a forum member. have a great time!
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Agent Provocateur on Aug 27, 2015 0:13:27 GMT 1, Quality, political grumpy old men featuring school field trips... damn lucky kids is all I've got to say! Sorry @silky, cudn't resist, love you but haven't got a clue where you're coming from.
And it wud make my year if the school packs they hand out to the kids had a personal memento signed by Banksy. Not even the most greedy tw*t would want to offer money for one or admit they'd bought one.
Quality, political grumpy old men featuring school field trips... damn lucky kids is all I've got to say! Sorry @silky, cudn't resist, love you but haven't got a clue where you're coming from.
And it wud make my year if the school packs they hand out to the kids had a personal memento signed by Banksy. Not even the most greedy tw*t would want to offer money for one or admit they'd bought one.
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by coller on Aug 27, 2015 0:14:10 GMT 1, What. Does. The. GWB. AP. Look. Like.
What. Does. The. GWB. AP. Look. Like.
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by smokey on Aug 27, 2015 0:25:50 GMT 1, Has anyone gotten their hands on the Jeff Gillette poster? Loving the ones I've seen on eBay but being a poster never sure of authenticity. Just curious what the deal is or what to make of them.
Has anyone gotten their hands on the Jeff Gillette poster? Loving the ones I've seen on eBay but being a poster never sure of authenticity. Just curious what the deal is or what to make of them.
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by dreadnatty on Aug 27, 2015 0:34:11 GMT 1, Quality, political grumpy old men featuring school field trips... damn lucky kids is all I've got to say! Sorry @silky, cudn't resist, love you but haven't got a clue where you're coming from. And it wud make my year if the school packs they hand out to the kids had a personal memento signed by Banksy. Not even the most greedy tw*t would want to offer money for one or admit they'd bought one.
Quality, political grumpy old men featuring school field trips... damn lucky kids is all I've got to say! Sorry @silky, cudn't resist, love you but haven't got a clue where you're coming from. And it wud make my year if the school packs they hand out to the kids had a personal memento signed by Banksy. Not even the most greedy tw*t would want to offer money for one or admit they'd bought one. You think too highly of people AP....I think there would be plenty of tw*ts who would offer/admit they bought one sadly. |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Whitefish on Aug 27, 2015 0:42:53 GMT 1, Has anyone gotten their hands on the Jeff Gillette poster? Loving the ones I've seen on eBay but being a poster never sure of authenticity. Just curious what the deal is or what to make of them.
Jeff Gillette
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14 x 9 Giclee
Has anyone gotten their hands on the Jeff Gillette poster? Loving the ones I've seen on eBay but being a poster never sure of authenticity. Just curious what the deal is or what to make of them. Jeff Gillette is the man! Jeff Gillette Mickey Hiroshima 2013 Edition of 30 14 x 9 Giclee |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by 11 on Aug 27, 2015 1:19:30 GMT 1, I did not have a good camera weekend - lost quite a few as they are so blurry, must have still been trembling 
Im happy to post up as many or few as people want - Ive got a few short videos that I've put on flickr so thought id see how they come up on here edit : thought you could play em - i'll try u-bend instead.
Have some pics instead
Dismaland Day 2 by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
Dismaland Day 2 by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
Dismaland Day 2 by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
Dismaland Day 2 by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
Dismaland Main Gallery PV by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
Dismaland Day 2 by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
Dismaland Day 2 by 11 for UAA, on Flickr
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by smokey on Aug 27, 2015 2:25:42 GMT 1, Has anyone gotten their hands on the Jeff Gillette poster? Loving the ones I've seen on eBay but being a poster never sure of authenticity. Just curious what the deal is or what to make of them. Jeff Gillette is the man! Jeff Gillette Mickey Hiroshima 2013 Edition of 30 14 x 9 Giclee
Very nice!!! I thought the group he involved for this event was top notch.
Has anyone gotten their hands on the Jeff Gillette poster? Loving the ones I've seen on eBay but being a poster never sure of authenticity. Just curious what the deal is or what to make of them. Jeff Gillette is the man! Jeff Gillette Mickey Hiroshima 2013 Edition of 30 14 x 9 Giclee Very nice!!! I thought the group he involved for this event was top notch. |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by thomasmer on Aug 27, 2015 2:48:43 GMT 1, Did you know.. The ice cream truck they are selling programmes from is the same one from Banksy vs Bristol Museum, minus the ice cream cone on top #uselessfactoftheday It was also used to sell popcorn at the tunnel screenings of his movie.
And that he used to take to Glastonbury.
Did you know.. The ice cream truck they are selling programmes from is the same one from Banksy vs Bristol Museum, minus the ice cream cone on top #uselessfactoftheday It was also used to sell popcorn at the tunnel screenings of his movie. And that he used to take to Glastonbury. |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by d.r. perseus on Aug 27, 2015 3:57:11 GMT 1, Quality, political grumpy old men featuring school field trips... damn lucky kids is all I've got to say! Sorry @silky, cudn't resist, love you but haven't got a clue where you're coming from. And it wud make my year if the school packs they hand out to the kids had a personal memento signed by Banksy. Not even the most greedy tw*t would want to offer money for one or admit they'd bought one.
Quality, political grumpy old men featuring school field trips... damn lucky kids is all I've got to say! Sorry @silky, cudn't resist, love you but haven't got a clue where you're coming from. And it wud make my year if the school packs they hand out to the kids had a personal memento signed by Banksy. Not even the most greedy tw*t would want to offer money for one or admit they'd bought one. Everlasting gobstopper, anyone? |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by A.R.T. on Aug 27, 2015 4:36:11 GMT 1, Quality, political grumpy old men featuring school field trips... damn lucky kids is all I've got to say! Sorry @silky, cudn't resist, love you but haven't got a clue where you're coming from. And it wud make my year if the school packs they hand out to the kids had a personal memento signed by Banksy. Not even the most greedy tw*t would want to offer money for one or admit they'd bought one.
Or how long till a parent sells their kids school pack?
Quality, political grumpy old men featuring school field trips... damn lucky kids is all I've got to say! Sorry @silky, cudn't resist, love you but haven't got a clue where you're coming from. And it wud make my year if the school packs they hand out to the kids had a personal memento signed by Banksy. Not even the most greedy tw*t would want to offer money for one or admit they'd bought one. Or how long till a parent sells their kids school pack? |
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BANKSY "Dismaland" in Weston-super-Mare, by Lroy on Aug 27, 2015 6:43:30 GMT 1, Like Coach said, the photos just don't do the work justice. The Cinderella piece for example, the still images are nowhere near as impressive or disturbing as it is "in person".
And yeah, I thought I knew what to expect with the Cauty diorama, but wow, It's just huge and amazing. You could spend an hour looking at just that.
I think the whole place was just brilliant. And it's such a clever way to get, not just the art anoraks in, but a lot of the general public and exposing them to ideas and themes that they might not usually want to think about.
Some might go away thinking it's just ripping off Disney, but hopefully some (a lot) will take more from it. It was great seeing kids asking their parents questions about the works. Some of the answers weren't great, but I commend Banksy and all the artists for coming up with a great way of getting these messages across to people. And you can have fun while you're there.
I had an absolute ball there. And if I die in the next few weeks, I'd like my corpse left on one of the rides at Dismaland.
edit : like to see per example Le Mont-Blanc in postcard and to be at his feet ( I did not say on your knees ;-)
Like Coach said, the photos just don't do the work justice. The Cinderella piece for example, the still images are nowhere near as impressive or disturbing as it is "in person".
And yeah, I thought I knew what to expect with the Cauty diorama, but wow, It's just huge and amazing. You could spend an hour looking at just that.
I think the whole place was just brilliant. And it's such a clever way to get, not just the art anoraks in, but a lot of the general public and exposing them to ideas and themes that they might not usually want to think about.
Some might go away thinking it's just ripping off Disney, but hopefully some (a lot) will take more from it. It was great seeing kids asking their parents questions about the works. Some of the answers weren't great, but I commend Banksy and all the artists for coming up with a great way of getting these messages across to people. And you can have fun while you're there.
I had an absolute ball there. And if I die in the next few weeks, I'd like my corpse left on one of the rides at Dismaland.
I think ( like Plip ) that it's like concerts, horse races, football match, festivals, etc... It's when you are in that you see and feel really the " Thing " ... Sounds and vision ... Here , you are in Banksy's belly ! Wow ! edit : like to see per example Le Mont-Blanc in postcard and to be at his feet ( I did not say on your knees ;-) |
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but I feel it looks a bit like a wasted opportunity for what could have been a really special Art event, thinking back to the Cans Tunnel and Bristol Museum shows.
