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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Poly Mindset on Aug 1, 2015 1:19:27 GMT 1, Hey Guys, Sorry I made this thread and left. I was taking the bar exam the past three days so I wanted to get your opinions so I could just make sure it was a fake (which it so obviously is) before I left town for the exam. First of all, thank you very much to everyone who reached out personally and on this thread, this community is really amazing at looking out for each other. I was really hoping the broker would come through by the time I got done with the test, but I opened up my email today to a message saying that they were "still deciding to proceed." In my opinion when a major broker sells you a fake ass creased up print, there should be no question as to a refund, but hey maybe I'm old fashioned. Like many of you have mentioned the reason I have not outed them is just to keep a bargaining chip until my money is refunded, but I will be doing so this weekend if they dont come through in a day or two. As they have sold some other Banksys recently please feel free to reach out to me personally if your concerned about a purchase: they are a gallery/brokerage service in France with connections to a certain famous auction. Not much of a secret, and the owner is actually a member on here, but like I said I'd like to keep the ball in my court till the money is refunded. Also, I do take responsibility for the situation, assurances aside just another lesson not to buy without a COA regardless of the source. Thank you all again for your support!
Hey Guys, Sorry I made this thread and left. I was taking the bar exam the past three days so I wanted to get your opinions so I could just make sure it was a fake (which it so obviously is) before I left town for the exam. First of all, thank you very much to everyone who reached out personally and on this thread, this community is really amazing at looking out for each other. I was really hoping the broker would come through by the time I got done with the test, but I opened up my email today to a message saying that they were "still deciding to proceed." In my opinion when a major broker sells you a fake ass creased up print, there should be no question as to a refund, but hey maybe I'm old fashioned. Like many of you have mentioned the reason I have not outed them is just to keep a bargaining chip until my money is refunded, but I will be doing so this weekend if they dont come through in a day or two. As they have sold some other Banksys recently please feel free to reach out to me personally if your concerned about a purchase: they are a gallery/brokerage service in France with connections to a certain famous auction. Not much of a secret, and the owner is actually a member on here, but like I said I'd like to keep the ball in my court till the money is refunded. Also, I do take responsibility for the situation, assurances aside just another lesson not to buy without a COA regardless of the source. Thank you all again for your support! Congrats on passing the Bar!! Great job, I'm sure it is a huge weight off your shoulders. Now out those bastards, we're with you 100%. Mostly, just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS!! |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Unica on Aug 1, 2015 4:37:29 GMT 1, Anybody know a brokerage in France that I can buy a WCP print from?
Anybody know a brokerage in France that I can buy a WCP print from?
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Edge on Aug 1, 2015 10:27:25 GMT 1, Hey Guys, Sorry I made this thread and left. I was taking the bar exam the past three days so I wanted to get your opinions so I could just make sure it was a fake (which it so obviously is) before I left town for the exam. First of all, thank you very much to everyone who reached out personally and on this thread, this community is really amazing at looking out for each other. I was really hoping the broker would come through by the time I got done with the test, but I opened up my email today to a message saying that they were "still deciding to proceed." In my opinion when a major broker sells you a fake ass creased up print, there should be no question as to a refund, but hey maybe I'm old fashioned. Like many of you have mentioned the reason I have not outed them is just to keep a bargaining chip until my money is refunded, but I will be doing so this weekend if they dont come through in a day or two. As they have sold some other Banksys recently please feel free to reach out to me personally if your concerned about a purchase: they are a gallery/brokerage service in France with connections to a certain famous auction. Not much of a secret, and the owner is actually a member on here, but like I said I'd like to keep the ball in my court till the money is refunded. Also, I do take responsibility for the situation, assurances aside just another lesson not to buy without a COA regardless of the source. Thank you all again for your support! Make sure they're not trying to wait you out until a time limit passes in their T&Cs or for your fraud department. Otherwise best of luck!
Hey Guys, Sorry I made this thread and left. I was taking the bar exam the past three days so I wanted to get your opinions so I could just make sure it was a fake (which it so obviously is) before I left town for the exam. First of all, thank you very much to everyone who reached out personally and on this thread, this community is really amazing at looking out for each other. I was really hoping the broker would come through by the time I got done with the test, but I opened up my email today to a message saying that they were "still deciding to proceed." In my opinion when a major broker sells you a fake ass creased up print, there should be no question as to a refund, but hey maybe I'm old fashioned. Like many of you have mentioned the reason I have not outed them is just to keep a bargaining chip until my money is refunded, but I will be doing so this weekend if they dont come through in a day or two. As they have sold some other Banksys recently please feel free to reach out to me personally if your concerned about a purchase: they are a gallery/brokerage service in France with connections to a certain famous auction. Not much of a secret, and the owner is actually a member on here, but like I said I'd like to keep the ball in my court till the money is refunded. Also, I do take responsibility for the situation, assurances aside just another lesson not to buy without a COA regardless of the source. Thank you all again for your support! Make sure they're not trying to wait you out until a time limit passes in their T&Cs or for your fraud department. Otherwise best of luck! I've been caught out like this before, luckily on low value item. It still vexes me to this day that I fell for it. |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Edge on Aug 4, 2015 1:10:51 GMT 1, Hey Guys, Sorry I made this thread and left. I was taking the bar exam the past three days so I wanted to get your opinions so I could just make sure it was a fake (which it so obviously is) before I left town for the exam. First of all, thank you very much to everyone who reached out personally and on this thread, this community is really amazing at looking out for each other. I was really hoping the broker would come through by the time I got done with the test, but I opened up my email today to a message saying that they were "still deciding to proceed." In my opinion when a major broker sells you a fake ass creased up print, there should be no question as to a refund, but hey maybe I'm old fashioned. Like many of you have mentioned the reason I have not outed them is just to keep a bargaining chip until my money is refunded, but I will be doing so this weekend if they dont come through in a day or two. As they have sold some other Banksys recently please feel free to reach out to me personally if your concerned about a purchase: they are a gallery/brokerage service in France with connections to a certain famous auction. Not much of a secret, and the owner is actually a member on here, but like I said I'd like to keep the ball in my court till the money is refunded. Also, I do take responsibility for the situation, assurances aside just another lesson not to buy without a COA regardless of the source. Thank you all again for your support!
Any updates on your situation mate?
Hey Guys, Sorry I made this thread and left. I was taking the bar exam the past three days so I wanted to get your opinions so I could just make sure it was a fake (which it so obviously is) before I left town for the exam. First of all, thank you very much to everyone who reached out personally and on this thread, this community is really amazing at looking out for each other. I was really hoping the broker would come through by the time I got done with the test, but I opened up my email today to a message saying that they were "still deciding to proceed." In my opinion when a major broker sells you a fake ass creased up print, there should be no question as to a refund, but hey maybe I'm old fashioned. Like many of you have mentioned the reason I have not outed them is just to keep a bargaining chip until my money is refunded, but I will be doing so this weekend if they dont come through in a day or two. As they have sold some other Banksys recently please feel free to reach out to me personally if your concerned about a purchase: they are a gallery/brokerage service in France with connections to a certain famous auction. Not much of a secret, and the owner is actually a member on here, but like I said I'd like to keep the ball in my court till the money is refunded. Also, I do take responsibility for the situation, assurances aside just another lesson not to buy without a COA regardless of the source. Thank you all again for your support! Any updates on your situation mate? |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Balboa on Aug 4, 2015 16:08:37 GMT 1, Shocking , hope you get looked after . How does a "reputable" online broker sell a WCP ! Name and shame if you get nowhere to help others, this is why I would only ever buy face to face for Banksy prints. Good luck OP.
Shocking , hope you get looked after . How does a "reputable" online broker sell a WCP ! Name and shame if you get nowhere to help others, this is why I would only ever buy face to face for Banksy prints. Good luck OP. I bought face-to-face with PC COA and it turned out to be subject to a credit card fraud claim. Nobody is safe and there are no guarantees it would seem. |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 17:21:20 GMT 1, I remember your thread Balboa hope it all got sorted out for you!!!
I remember your thread Balboa hope it all got sorted out for you!!!
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Howard Johnson on Aug 4, 2015 17:39:38 GMT 1, Well gave them the weekend to make it right and they finally got back to me this morning claiming they need to have me return the piece for them to inspect before issuing a refund. I'm fed up with the whole situation and they are clearly trying to draw it out as long as possible. And once again, I fully acknowledge that I am to blame for this situation, but a broker should still be called out for dealing in fake art.
Anyways the culpit is Artsper.com. I'm sure they've sold a bunch of banksys but the most recent ones other then mine that I noticed sold were a u/s golf sale and red CYW. If anyone on here bought either of those prints I would suggest getting in touch with them. I'd also like to apologize for implicating Tajan in my earlier post, when I was trying to do research on this website before make the thread I came across some posts linking the two companies but I believe I was mistaken. Anyways, thank you all for your help and I hope that they come through and make this right.
Well gave them the weekend to make it right and they finally got back to me this morning claiming they need to have me return the piece for them to inspect before issuing a refund. I'm fed up with the whole situation and they are clearly trying to draw it out as long as possible. And once again, I fully acknowledge that I am to blame for this situation, but a broker should still be called out for dealing in fake art.
Anyways the culpit is Artsper.com. I'm sure they've sold a bunch of banksys but the most recent ones other then mine that I noticed sold were a u/s golf sale and red CYW. If anyone on here bought either of those prints I would suggest getting in touch with them. I'd also like to apologize for implicating Tajan in my earlier post, when I was trying to do research on this website before make the thread I came across some posts linking the two companies but I believe I was mistaken. Anyways, thank you all for your help and I hope that they come through and make this right.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by met on Aug 4, 2015 19:16:20 GMT 1, Well gave them the weekend to make it right and they finally got back to me this morning claiming they need to have me return the piece for them to inspect before issuing a refund. I'm fed up with the whole situation and they are clearly trying to draw it out as long as possible. And once again, I fully acknowledge that I am to blame for this situation, but a broker should still be called out for dealing in fake art. Anyways the culpit is Artsper.com. I'm sure they've sold a bunch of banksys but the most recent ones other then mine that I noticed sold were a u/s golf sale and red CYW. If anyone on here bought either of those prints I would suggest getting in touch with them. I'd also like to apologize for implicating Tajan in my earlier post, when I was trying to do research on this website before make the thread I came across some posts linking the two companies but I believe I was mistaken. Anyways, thank you all for your help and I hope that they come through and make this right.
Thank you for the helpful update.
You're probably correct about Artsper making things more complicated than necessary by dragging its feet and attempting to delay the refund process. It sounds like the company may have cash flow issues. Either that or the people running it are insisting upon going through a disingenuous charade so that "After closer inspection..." they can pretend to be fellow victims in this whole sad affair.
How did you pay Artsper? If it was via debit card, credit card, PayPal, Sage Pay or the like, initiate a claim through your card or payment-service provider.
In any event, out of principle and for leverage-maintenance purposes, I would try insisting on getting your money back based on your photographic evidence and any relevant third-party confirmations available (e.g. from Pest Control) prior to returning the fake print.
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Besides naming the broker, could you also confirm the identity of the underlying gallery or prior owner and seller of the fake?
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As a separate minor point, regarding Artsper, I remain a little puzzled by your earlier descriptions of "MAJOR online brokers" with "a very reputable site". Was this evaluation based on any independent information, i.e. on sources unrelated to Artsper itself?
The images of the two co-founders make them look completely inexperienced to me, like young chancers who are out of their depth and trying to fake it 'til they make it:
www.artsper.com/l-equipe-artsper
Well gave them the weekend to make it right and they finally got back to me this morning claiming they need to have me return the piece for them to inspect before issuing a refund. I'm fed up with the whole situation and they are clearly trying to draw it out as long as possible. And once again, I fully acknowledge that I am to blame for this situation, but a broker should still be called out for dealing in fake art. Anyways the culpit is Artsper.com. I'm sure they've sold a bunch of banksys but the most recent ones other then mine that I noticed sold were a u/s golf sale and red CYW. If anyone on here bought either of those prints I would suggest getting in touch with them. I'd also like to apologize for implicating Tajan in my earlier post, when I was trying to do research on this website before make the thread I came across some posts linking the two companies but I believe I was mistaken. Anyways, thank you all for your help and I hope that they come through and make this right. Thank you for the helpful update. You're probably correct about Artsper making things more complicated than necessary by dragging its feet and attempting to delay the refund process. It sounds like the company may have cash flow issues. Either that or the people running it are insisting upon going through a disingenuous charade so that "After closer inspection..." they can pretend to be fellow victims in this whole sad affair. How did you pay Artsper? If it was via debit card, credit card, PayPal, Sage Pay or the like, initiate a claim through your card or payment-service provider. In any event, out of principle and for leverage-maintenance purposes, I would try insisting on getting your money back based on your photographic evidence and any relevant third-party confirmations available (e.g. from Pest Control) prior to returning the fake print. ---------- Besides naming the broker, could you also confirm the identity of the underlying gallery or prior owner and seller of the fake? ---------- As a separate minor point, regarding Artsper, I remain a little puzzled by your earlier descriptions of "MAJOR online brokers" with "a very reputable site". Was this evaluation based on any independent information, i.e. on sources unrelated to Artsper itself? The images of the two co-founders make them look completely inexperienced to me, like young chancers who are out of their depth and trying to fake it 'til they make it: www.artsper.com/l-equipe-artsper |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by eschiff on Aug 4, 2015 19:34:52 GMT 1, They look like they just resell other galleries work? At least the handful of Banksy pieces I clicked on all were accredited to the Lionel Gallery - which just had that big retrospective.
They look like they just resell other galleries work? At least the handful of Banksy pieces I clicked on all were accredited to the Lionel Gallery - which just had that big retrospective.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 19:40:13 GMT 1, The website and its founders and experts? don't install any confidence at all. I'm sure the OP has learnt a lesson from this and I really hope it all gets sorted and you get your money back!
The website and its founders and experts? don't install any confidence at all. I'm sure the OP has learnt a lesson from this and I really hope it all gets sorted and you get your money back!
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Coach on Aug 4, 2015 19:57:32 GMT 1, Well gave them the weekend to make it right and they finally got back to me this morning claiming they need to have me return the piece for them to inspect before issuing a refund. I'm fed up with the whole situation and they are clearly trying to draw it out as long as possible. And once again, I fully acknowledge that I am to blame for this situation, but a broker should still be called out for dealing in fake art. Anyways the culpit is Artsper.com. I'm sure they've sold a bunch of banksys but the most recent ones other then mine that I noticed sold were a u/s golf sale and red CYW. If anyone on here bought either of those prints I would suggest getting in touch with them. I'd also like to apologize for implicating Tajan in my earlier post, when I was trying to do research on this website before make the thread I came across some posts linking the two companies but I believe I was mistaken. Anyways, thank you all for your help and I hope that they come through and make this right. Thank you for the helpful update. You're probably correct about Artsper making things more complicated than necessary by dragging its feet and attempting to delay the refund process. It sounds like the company may have cash flow issues. Either that or the people running it are insisting upon going through a disingenuous charade so that "After closer inspection..." they can pretend to be fellow victims in this whole sad affair. How did you pay Artsper? If it was via debit card, credit card, PayPal, Sage Pay or the like, initiate a claim through your card or payment-service provider. In any event, out of principle and for leverage-maintenance purposes, I would try insisting on getting your money back based on your photographic evidence and any relevant third-party confirmations available (e.g. from Pest Control) prior to returning the fake print. ---------- Besides naming the broker, could you also confirm the identity of the underlying gallery or prior owner and seller of the fake? ---------- As a separate minor point, regarding Artsper, I remain a little puzzled by your earlier descriptions of "MAJOR online brokers" with "a very reputable site". Was this evaluation based on any independent information, i.e. on sources unrelated to Artsper itself? The images of the two co-founders make them look completely inexperienced to me, like young chancers who are out of their depth and trying to fake it 'til they make it: www.artsper.com/l-equipe-artsper
Astounding prices quoted for Banksy prints. €65,000 for a signed Turf War!
Well gave them the weekend to make it right and they finally got back to me this morning claiming they need to have me return the piece for them to inspect before issuing a refund. I'm fed up with the whole situation and they are clearly trying to draw it out as long as possible. And once again, I fully acknowledge that I am to blame for this situation, but a broker should still be called out for dealing in fake art. Anyways the culpit is Artsper.com. I'm sure they've sold a bunch of banksys but the most recent ones other then mine that I noticed sold were a u/s golf sale and red CYW. If anyone on here bought either of those prints I would suggest getting in touch with them. I'd also like to apologize for implicating Tajan in my earlier post, when I was trying to do research on this website before make the thread I came across some posts linking the two companies but I believe I was mistaken. Anyways, thank you all for your help and I hope that they come through and make this right. Thank you for the helpful update. You're probably correct about Artsper making things more complicated than necessary by dragging its feet and attempting to delay the refund process. It sounds like the company may have cash flow issues. Either that or the people running it are insisting upon going through a disingenuous charade so that "After closer inspection..." they can pretend to be fellow victims in this whole sad affair. How did you pay Artsper? If it was via debit card, credit card, PayPal, Sage Pay or the like, initiate a claim through your card or payment-service provider. In any event, out of principle and for leverage-maintenance purposes, I would try insisting on getting your money back based on your photographic evidence and any relevant third-party confirmations available (e.g. from Pest Control) prior to returning the fake print. ---------- Besides naming the broker, could you also confirm the identity of the underlying gallery or prior owner and seller of the fake? ---------- As a separate minor point, regarding Artsper, I remain a little puzzled by your earlier descriptions of "MAJOR online brokers" with "a very reputable site". Was this evaluation based on any independent information, i.e. on sources unrelated to Artsper itself? The images of the two co-founders make them look completely inexperienced to me, like young chancers who are out of their depth and trying to fake it 'til they make it: www.artsper.com/l-equipe-artsperAstounding prices quoted for Banksy prints. €65,000 for a signed Turf War! |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Gangsta Nola on Aug 4, 2015 20:53:29 GMT 1, Thank you for the helpful update. You're probably correct about Artsper making things more complicated than necessary by dragging its feet and attempting to delay the refund process. It sounds like the company may have cash flow issues. Either that or the people running it are insisting upon going through a disingenuous charade so that "After closer inspection..." they can pretend to be fellow victims in this whole sad affair. How did you pay Artsper? If it was via debit card, credit card, PayPal, Sage Pay or the like, initiate a claim through your card or payment-service provider. In any event, out of principle and for leverage-maintenance purposes, I would try insisting on getting your money back based on your photographic evidence and any relevant third-party confirmations available (e.g. from Pest Control) prior to returning the fake print. ---------- Besides naming the broker, could you also confirm the identity of the underlying gallery or prior owner and seller of the fake? ---------- As a separate minor point, regarding Artsper, I remain a little puzzled by your earlier descriptions of "MAJOR online brokers" with "a very reputable site". Was this evaluation based on any independent information, i.e. on sources unrelated to Artsper itself? The images of the two co-founders make them look completely inexperienced to me, like young chancers who are out of their depth and trying to fake it 'til they make it: www.artsper.com/l-equipe-artsperAstounding prices quoted for Banksy prints. €65,000 for a signed Turf War!
Thank you for the helpful update. You're probably correct about Artsper making things more complicated than necessary by dragging its feet and attempting to delay the refund process. It sounds like the company may have cash flow issues. Either that or the people running it are insisting upon going through a disingenuous charade so that "After closer inspection..." they can pretend to be fellow victims in this whole sad affair. How did you pay Artsper? If it was via debit card, credit card, PayPal, Sage Pay or the like, initiate a claim through your card or payment-service provider. In any event, out of principle and for leverage-maintenance purposes, I would try insisting on getting your money back based on your photographic evidence and any relevant third-party confirmations available (e.g. from Pest Control) prior to returning the fake print. ---------- Besides naming the broker, could you also confirm the identity of the underlying gallery or prior owner and seller of the fake? ---------- As a separate minor point, regarding Artsper, I remain a little puzzled by your earlier descriptions of "MAJOR online brokers" with "a very reputable site". Was this evaluation based on any independent information, i.e. on sources unrelated to Artsper itself? The images of the two co-founders make them look completely inexperienced to me, like young chancers who are out of their depth and trying to fake it 'til they make it: www.artsper.com/l-equipe-artsperAstounding prices quoted for Banksy prints. €65,000 for a signed Turf War! Agreed Coach, some of those prices are nuts ! |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by lee3 on Aug 4, 2015 21:03:46 GMT 1, christoffergaddini, i'll let others give you advice but i just want to thank you for coming forward with the information. These threads in years past often end in a cloak of silence leaving others to scratch their heads with curiosity. Others might not disclose the information out of embarrassment or for whatever reasons they choose. From my vantage point, we're at all of the various sites to help one another if possible so thanks as i'm sure your actions have helped others avoid repeating the same.
christoffergaddini, i'll let others give you advice but i just want to thank you for coming forward with the information. These threads in years past often end in a cloak of silence leaving others to scratch their heads with curiosity. Others might not disclose the information out of embarrassment or for whatever reasons they choose. From my vantage point, we're at all of the various sites to help one another if possible so thanks as i'm sure your actions have helped others avoid repeating the same.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by met on Aug 17, 2015 18:38:38 GMT 1,
Howard Johnson – Besides the broker, was there an underlying gallery involved in selling you the fake Banksy print?
If so, could you confirm the name of that gallery or source owner?
Assuming they're a separate entity to Artsper.com (as seems to be the case with the majority of sellers on that website), then disclosing their identity would be just as helpful as your revelation of the broker's name.
Howard Johnson – Besides the broker, was there an underlying gallery involved in selling you the fake Banksy print? If so, could you confirm the name of that gallery or source owner? Assuming they're a separate entity to Artsper.com (as seems to be the case with the majority of sellers on that website), then disclosing their identity would be just as helpful as your revelation of the broker's name.
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