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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Howard Johnson on Jul 27, 2015 20:18:00 GMT 1, So looks like this thread worked and they finally initiated a refund! I thought I would just update everyone from this post instead of bumping this thread again and clogging up the front page. I just want to thank all of you for your help in this situation. I am totally to blame for buying a print without a COA, and no matter what anyone says about the hostility that can arise on this forum I can't thank you enough for all the support. It was honestly them seeing this thread that finally got me my money back. Plus, they have now stated that they will only be selling Banksy prints with verified COAs from now on, so I guess alls well that ends well.
To be fair, they sent over auction paperwork for the print, so it looks like this piece has been sold before as real and they were more or less relying on that paperwork as well as the gallery's authentication( "Unik Galley"). That doesn't excuse the conduct, but just another warning to always triple check provenance on every purchase. Plus, WCP if your reading this please see the damage that your prints have done to this hobby. I'm all for reasonably priced reproductions, but I urge you to put markings on the front of your prints as I am only the latest in a long line of people that have gotten ripped off by your reproductions.
Anyways, thank you all again and please feel free to reach out if yall need anything from me.
So looks like this thread worked and they finally initiated a refund! I thought I would just update everyone from this post instead of bumping this thread again and clogging up the front page. I just want to thank all of you for your help in this situation. I am totally to blame for buying a print without a COA, and no matter what anyone says about the hostility that can arise on this forum I can't thank you enough for all the support. It was honestly them seeing this thread that finally got me my money back. Plus, they have now stated that they will only be selling Banksy prints with verified COAs from now on, so I guess alls well that ends well. To be fair, they sent over auction paperwork for the print, so it looks like this piece has been sold before as real and they were more or less relying on that paperwork as well as the gallery's authentication( "Unik Galley"). That doesn't excuse the conduct, but just another warning to always triple check provenance on every purchase. Plus, WCP if your reading this please see the damage that your prints have done to this hobby. I'm all for reasonably priced reproductions, but I urge you to put markings on the front of your prints as I am only the latest in a long line of people that have gotten ripped off by your reproductions. Anyways, thank you all again and please feel free to reach out if yall need anything from me. |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Stopki on Jul 27, 2015 20:42:10 GMT 1, What's the front look like
What's the front look like
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Unica on Jul 27, 2015 20:42:29 GMT 1, Certainly looks like WCP numbering on the back, I've never seen an original Banksy prints with number on the verso.
Certainly looks like WCP numbering on the back, I've never seen an original Banksy prints with number on the verso.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Stopki on Jul 27, 2015 20:43:30 GMT 1, Looks like an West Country print to me based on the reverse
Looks like an West Country print to me based on the reverse
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by 1978per on Jul 27, 2015 20:45:56 GMT 1, I would seriously question how reputable they might be if they say they personally inspected it and didn't give you a coa. Obviously because its not genuine. Numbering looks just like the WCP versions. I hope you get your money back.
I would seriously question how reputable they might be if they say they personally inspected it and didn't give you a coa. Obviously because its not genuine. Numbering looks just like the WCP versions. I hope you get your money back.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Unica on Jul 27, 2015 20:47:49 GMT 1, Where did you get this from? So much wrong with this, who puts a sticker on the back of a Banksy? No one, because its not authentic.
Where did you get this from? So much wrong with this, who puts a sticker on the back of a Banksy? No one, because its not authentic.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Cornish Crayon on Jul 27, 2015 20:53:31 GMT 1, This looks serious dude, the numbering definitely looks like WCP
contact WCP direct and ask him
This looks serious dude, the numbering definitely looks like WCP
contact WCP direct and ask him
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Howard Johnson on Jul 27, 2015 20:54:58 GMT 1, Thanks for the help guys. Yeah its completely fake. To add insult to injury it arrived creased down the entire center of the print. The sticker is hilarious as well, its gives the "backstory" of banksy, like anyone spending thousands of dollars on a print wouldn't know who he is. Yeah I am partially to blame for buying it without a COA, but like I said it came from a major broker who is well respected on this forum. I'm gonna refrain from naming them before give them a chance to make this right.
Thanks for the help guys. Yeah its completely fake. To add insult to injury it arrived creased down the entire center of the print. The sticker is hilarious as well, its gives the "backstory" of banksy, like anyone spending thousands of dollars on a print wouldn't know who he is. Yeah I am partially to blame for buying it without a COA, but like I said it came from a major broker who is well respected on this forum. I'm gonna refrain from naming them before give them a chance to make this right. |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Board Stupid on Jul 27, 2015 20:55:36 GMT 1, Dare I ask how much you payed for it?
Dare I ask how much you payed for it?
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Stopki on Jul 27, 2015 20:57:26 GMT 1, A broker on this site - selling wcp and pretending they are real is ILLEGAL
/ FRAUDULENT
You should prob explain how much this was and who sold it to you to help others and this would help you get your money back as they obviously Sont give a damn.
A broker on this site - selling wcp and pretending they are real is ILLEGAL
/ FRAUDULENT
You should prob explain how much this was and who sold it to you to help others and this would help you get your money back as they obviously Sont give a damn.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Howard Johnson on Jul 27, 2015 20:58:35 GMT 1, Dare I ask how much you payed for it?
Market value.... 
Dare I ask how much you payed for it? Market value.... |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Black Apple Art on Jul 27, 2015 20:58:48 GMT 1, Thanks for the help guys. Yeah its completely fake. To add insult to injury it arrived creased down the entire center of the print. The sticker is hilarious as well, its gives the "backstory" of banksy, like anyone spending thousands of dollars on a print wouldn't know who he is. Yeah I am partially to blame for buying it without a COA, but like I said it came from a major broker who is well respected on this forum. I'm gonna refrain from naming them before give them a chance to make this right.
Thanks for the help guys. Yeah its completely fake. To add insult to injury it arrived creased down the entire center of the print. The sticker is hilarious as well, its gives the "backstory" of banksy, like anyone spending thousands of dollars on a print wouldn't know who he is. Yeah I am partially to blame for buying it without a COA, but like I said it came from a major broker who is well respected on this forum. I'm gonna refrain from naming them before give them a chance to make this right. Don't accept anything less than a full refund and apology. To be honest really no excuse for this to happen aside from intent to defraud, unless they had their child mistakenly pack a fake . Hope all works out! |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Board Stupid on Jul 27, 2015 21:00:51 GMT 1, That's terrible - name and shame I say...
That's terrible - name and shame I say...
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Howard Johnson on Jul 27, 2015 21:01:31 GMT 1, A broker on this site - selling wcp and pretending they are real is ILLEGAL / FRAUDULENT You should prob explain how much this was and who sold it to you to help others and this would help you get your money back as they obviously Sont give a damn.
Yeah I agree, I wanna give them a chance to explain themselves first as the owner of the service is a pretty big name in urban art brokerage (hence my naive reliance). Thanks again everyone for your help!
A broker on this site - selling wcp and pretending they are real is ILLEGAL / FRAUDULENT You should prob explain how much this was and who sold it to you to help others and this would help you get your money back as they obviously Sont give a damn. Yeah I agree, I wanna give them a chance to explain themselves first as the owner of the service is a pretty big name in urban art brokerage (hence my naive reliance). Thanks again everyone for your help! |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 21:04:29 GMT 1, This looks serious dude, the numbering definitely looks like WCP contact WCP direct and ask him
Spot on - get in touch with WCP for confirmation but certainly looks like his numbering.
Nightmare - hope you get it sorted.
This looks serious dude, the numbering definitely looks like WCP contact WCP direct and ask him Spot on - get in touch with WCP for confirmation but certainly looks like his numbering. Nightmare - hope you get it sorted. |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Larry David on Jul 27, 2015 21:15:27 GMT 1, Shocking , hope you get looked after . How does a "reputable" online broker sell a WCP ! Name and shame if you get nowhere to help others, this is why I would only ever buy face to face for Banksy prints.
Good luck OP.
Shocking , hope you get looked after . How does a "reputable" online broker sell a WCP ! Name and shame if you get nowhere to help others, this is why I would only ever buy face to face for Banksy prints.
Good luck OP.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by trapnel1 on Jul 27, 2015 21:19:04 GMT 1, Shocking , hope you get looked after . How does a "reputable" online broker sell a WCP ! Name and shame if you get nowhere to help others, this is why I would only ever buy face to face for Banksy prints. Good luck OP.
And a reminder to everyone to always see a Banksy print out of the frame, unless there are really exceptional circumstances.......
It worrys me - there must be plenty of naive collectors out there who have very limited knowledge of the WCP prints.
Shocking , hope you get looked after . How does a "reputable" online broker sell a WCP ! Name and shame if you get nowhere to help others, this is why I would only ever buy face to face for Banksy prints. Good luck OP. And a reminder to everyone to always see a Banksy print out of the frame, unless there are really exceptional circumstances....... It worrys me - there must be plenty of naive collectors out there who have very limited knowledge of the WCP prints. |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 21:26:42 GMT 1, awful, just awful. these people should be named and reported to the authorities for fraud/misrepresentation. hope it gets sorted.
awful, just awful. these people should be named and reported to the authorities for fraud/misrepresentation. hope it gets sorted.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by pippyt75 on Jul 27, 2015 21:31:43 GMT 1, Even if I got my money back I'd still report it. It's fraud, plain and simple. I wouldn't not report a burglar to the police just becuase he gave me my TV back....
Even if I got my money back I'd still report it. It's fraud, plain and simple. I wouldn't not report a burglar to the police just becuase he gave me my TV back....
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 21:44:11 GMT 1, Please just name the gallery so people can avoid them in the future. This is a MAJOR fuck up.
Please just name the gallery so people can avoid them in the future. This is a MAJOR fuck up.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Edge on Jul 27, 2015 21:46:00 GMT 1, I wonder how many times they got away with this...
I wonder how many times they got away with this...
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by pippyt75 on Jul 27, 2015 21:52:57 GMT 1, Even if I got my money back I'd still report it. It's fraud, plain and simple. I wouldn't not report a burglar to the police just because he gave me my TV back.... He'd still have to explain the shit on the carpet! Anyway, really hope it works out.
Even if I got my money back I'd still report it. It's fraud, plain and simple. I wouldn't not report a burglar to the police just because he gave me my TV back.... He'd still have to explain the shit on the carpet! Anyway, really hope it works out.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by coa on Jul 27, 2015 21:54:23 GMT 1, Even if this was genuine, who would accept a print that had a sticker affixed to the rear?
A broker should definitely know better.
Even if this was genuine, who would accept a print that had a sticker affixed to the rear?
A broker should definitely know better.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Unica on Jul 27, 2015 22:46:14 GMT 1, Did you buy the print framed and then take it out the frame to discover the deception? This gallery definitely needs to be named so they can explain themselves. I can only imagine they have done this before and there are other forum members who have bought from them and have WCP prints hanging on their wall, and they paid for and think they have originals.
I certainly understand you not wanting to name them now while you have to get a refund, but I think its almost your civic duty to let us know at some point who sold you this, after all this is a community and we need to look after each other.
Did you buy the print framed and then take it out the frame to discover the deception? This gallery definitely needs to be named so they can explain themselves. I can only imagine they have done this before and there are other forum members who have bought from them and have WCP prints hanging on their wall, and they paid for and think they have originals.
I certainly understand you not wanting to name them now while you have to get a refund, but I think its almost your civic duty to let us know at some point who sold you this, after all this is a community and we need to look after each other.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by 11 on Jul 27, 2015 23:53:47 GMT 1, In the interests of helping out a fellow member I'll be the one to step out the closet and admit to having, we'll just say more than 1 WCP
Howard Johnson - The numbering and position of the sticker smacks of WCP - 2 examples, 1 of them is pre-fixed 'No.' the other isn't....
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In the interests of helping out a fellow member I'll be the one to step out the closet and admit to having, we'll just say more than 1 WCP Howard Johnson - The numbering and position of the sticker smacks of WCP - 2 examples, 1 of them is pre-fixed 'No.' the other isn't.... [/UR
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by met on Jul 28, 2015 1:08:37 GMT 1, So I recently picked up one of my favorite Banksy prints from one of the MAJOR online brokers and it arrived with a sticker and numbering on the back. I assume this is clearly a WCP and the sticker was used to cover the stamp, but I cant find any pictures of thier numbering to corroborate the claim. Can anyone help me out? No COA, but like I said it was from a very reputable site that claimed they personally inspected it and warranted its authenticity. Thanks in advance.
I hope that you're able to resolve this issue to your satisfaction.
For what it's worth, I am not aware of anyone among the "MAJOR online brokers" or with "a very reputable site":
(i) who has any real expertise regarding Banksy prints — enough to be considered a major broker in the field, or even to have a serious and established reputation in the Banksy market; and
(ii) whose working language is French (cf. the language of the 'Qui est Banksy?' sticker).
So I recently picked up one of my favorite Banksy prints from one of the MAJOR online brokers and it arrived with a sticker and numbering on the back. I assume this is clearly a WCP and the sticker was used to cover the stamp, but I cant find any pictures of thier numbering to corroborate the claim. Can anyone help me out? No COA, but like I said it was from a very reputable site that claimed they personally inspected it and warranted its authenticity. Thanks in advance. I hope that you're able to resolve this issue to your satisfaction. For what it's worth, I am not aware of anyone among the "MAJOR online brokers" or with "a very reputable site": (i) who has any real expertise regarding Banksy prints — enough to be considered a major broker in the field, or even to have a serious and established reputation in the Banksy market; and (ii) whose working language is French (cf. the language of the 'Qui est Banksy?' sticker). |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Unica on Jul 28, 2015 2:42:58 GMT 1, In the interests of helping out a fellow member I'll be the one to step out the closet and admit to having, we'll just say more than 1 WCP Howard Johnson - The numbering and position of the sticker smacks of WCP - 2 examples, 1 of them is pre-fixed 'No.' the other isn't.... [/UR
This gallery took advantage of the buyer and I hope is outed.
In the interests of helping out a fellow member I'll be the one to step out the closet and admit to having, we'll just say more than 1 WCP Howard Johnson - The numbering and position of the sticker smacks of WCP - 2 examples, 1 of them is pre-fixed 'No.' the other isn't.... [/UR
I have several WCP prints, including Nola and a couple of Kates, I'm certainly not ashamed, I know they aren't original prints and I don't pretend they are. I also have several original prints as well. The WCP prints are good quality copies, nothing more than that. If you know enough about Banksy prints, its pretty easy to tell the difference. In fairness to WCP it stamps them as copies and not a chance in hell one would get a Pest Control COA. The problems arise when unscrupulous dealers pass them off to people who really don't know what their buying and just want a Banksy on the wall. This gallery took advantage of the buyer and I hope is outed. |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by tartarus on Jul 28, 2015 9:09:57 GMT 1, So I recently picked up one of my favorite Banksy prints from one of the MAJOR online brokers and it arrived with a sticker and numbering on the back. I assume this is clearly a WCP and the sticker was used to cover the stamp, but I cant find any pictures of thier numbering to corroborate the claim. Can anyone help me out? No COA, but like I said it was from a very reputable site that claimed they personally inspected it and warranted its authenticity. Thanks in advance.
If this was online, have you paid by paypal or credit card? Might be better to get the refund from Paypal or the card company if you did.
I agree with the others here, whoever sokd you this, needs to be outed for the sake of all! Thats not been done by accident, thats for sure.
At the same time, i don't blame you for holding back until you get your money back!
I wonder what their "experts" did to confirm it was Banksy!! my guess is went on google and searched "helicopter with pink bow" saw the results from google and decided "yep Banksy definatly did this!"
So I recently picked up one of my favorite Banksy prints from one of the MAJOR online brokers and it arrived with a sticker and numbering on the back. I assume this is clearly a WCP and the sticker was used to cover the stamp, but I cant find any pictures of thier numbering to corroborate the claim. Can anyone help me out? No COA, but like I said it was from a very reputable site that claimed they personally inspected it and warranted its authenticity. Thanks in advance. If this was online, have you paid by paypal or credit card? Might be better to get the refund from Paypal or the card company if you did. I agree with the others here, whoever sokd you this, needs to be outed for the sake of all! Thats not been done by accident, thats for sure. At the same time, i don't blame you for holding back until you get your money back! I wonder what their "experts" did to confirm it was Banksy!! my guess is went on google and searched "helicopter with pink bow" saw the results from google and decided "yep Banksy definatly did this!" |
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by Trevorm on Jul 28, 2015 9:41:20 GMT 1, A dreadful state of affairs, one that I hope gets resolved at the soonest as I'm sure it will.
I guess their defence - the seller - runs along the lines that they probably came by the piece 'in all good faith', without really checking it when it arrived and then moved it on (flipped it) when the enquiry came in.
A dreadful state of affairs, one that I hope gets resolved at the soonest as I'm sure it will.
I guess their defence - the seller - runs along the lines that they probably came by the piece 'in all good faith', without really checking it when it arrived and then moved it on (flipped it) when the enquiry came in.
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Sorted - Thank you all for the help , by d.r. perseus on Jul 28, 2015 9:45:19 GMT 1, OP is good people. I hope he gets this resolved in a timely manner.
OP is good people. I hope he gets this resolved in a timely manner.
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