tartarus
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Oct 30, 2015 15:48:00 GMT 1, i just keep thinking that for the sake of ten minutes research/due diligence, he would have known they were painted mainly by kids and not Stik, that they were a community project and that it was organised by Laznia. With those facts on board he could have saved himself a whole load of trouble and some serious depreciation of reputation!
i just keep thinking that for the sake of ten minutes research/due diligence, he would have known they were painted mainly by kids and not Stik, that they were a community project and that it was organised by Laznia. With those facts on board he could have saved himself a whole load of trouble and some serious depreciation of reputation!
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by Matt on Oct 30, 2015 16:33:26 GMT 1, i just keep thinking that for the sake of ten minutes research/due diligence, he would have known they were painted mainly by kids and not Stik, that they were a community project and that it was organised by Laznia. With those facts on board he could have saved himself a whole load of trouble and some serious depreciation of reputation!
Unfortunately I think 1) he probably knows and does not care, seeing the dodgy crap he sells as if it were a precious originals and 2) his clients, if I judge by the ones I know, are not on forums or Instagram and will trust a high street gallery everyday
Still good to be caught red handed as he will be more careful next time if not for the artist's sake at least for his
i just keep thinking that for the sake of ten minutes research/due diligence, he would have known they were painted mainly by kids and not Stik, that they were a community project and that it was organised by Laznia. With those facts on board he could have saved himself a whole load of trouble and some serious depreciation of reputation! Unfortunately I think 1) he probably knows and does not care, seeing the dodgy crap he sells as if it were a precious originals and 2) his clients, if I judge by the ones I know, are not on forums or Instagram and will trust a high street gallery everyday Still good to be caught red handed as he will be more careful next time if not for the artist's sake at least for his
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Oct 30, 2015 17:19:08 GMT 1, This just popped up on Stiks Facebook. Not the first time he's been involved in this, but the timing probably makes it a bit more personal this time!!
www.ial.uk.com/news/tag/stik/
We are happy to announce an upcoming one-day conference to be held in London on 28th November 2015 entitled Recent Developments in Art and Cultural Property Law (pdf flyer here). The conference will cover a number of new and exciting legal trends in the area involving:
the new sentencing guidelines for heritage crimes the new Museums Association Code of Ethics (2015) street art and its tie-ins with the law the discovery and reburial of the remains of King Richard III the new copyright exceptions and their impact on the art world For more information, including a complete programme, watch this space, or look out for updates on Twitter.
Stik doing a talk there too.
This just popped up on Stiks Facebook. Not the first time he's been involved in this, but the timing probably makes it a bit more personal this time!! www.ial.uk.com/news/tag/stik/We are happy to announce an upcoming one-day conference to be held in London on 28th November 2015 entitled Recent Developments in Art and Cultural Property Law (pdf flyer here). The conference will cover a number of new and exciting legal trends in the area involving: the new sentencing guidelines for heritage crimes the new Museums Association Code of Ethics (2015) street art and its tie-ins with the law the discovery and reburial of the remains of King Richard III the new copyright exceptions and their impact on the art world For more information, including a complete programme, watch this space, or look out for updates on Twitter. Stik doing a talk there too.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by Wearology on Nov 4, 2015 18:42:59 GMT 1, Imagine if you were an artist and a gallery was doing this to you. All STIK wanted to do was make some local citizens and their community a brighter place to live. His goal was definitely not have his work be cut into little tiny pieces and sold off to the highest bidder. The sale of this art is unauthorized and we as members of the street art community should avoid the temptation to purchase these panels and not support this type of activity in any way shape or form. I am posting this as an individual forum member and not as a Forum Guardian.
Imagine if you were an artist and a gallery was doing this to you. All STIK wanted to do was make some local citizens and their community a brighter place to live. His goal was definitely not have his work be cut into little tiny pieces and sold off to the highest bidder. The sale of this art is unauthorized and we as members of the street art community should avoid the temptation to purchase these panels and not support this type of activity in any way shape or form. I am posting this as an individual forum member and not as a Forum Guardian.
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tartarus
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Nov 4, 2015 19:25:05 GMT 1, I would be pretty pissed off for sure! Glad to see him fight for them to go back.
This is from his FB page the other day, a translation of an article from poland. 2 in fact.
kultura.trojmiasto.pl/Tajemnicze-znikniecie-murali-brytyjskiego-artysty-n95953.html
RANSLATION-Murals painted in 2011 on containers in Gdansk by British artist Stik, disappeared in mysterious circumstances. Their value is estimated at over one million dollars. Administrator of painting the mural - CSW Łaźnia has made a notification to the prosecutors. The works were created in the framework of Brit Cult Festival in 2011. CSW (centre of contemporary art) Laznia invited British artist Stik to paint on containers at the primary school no 65.
Children who took part in workshops helped Stik with painting. It was part of Laznia's project "revitalisation of Dolne Miasto in Gdansk" which worked with non-governmental organizations, units of municipalities, entrepreneurs. The art work presented characteristic Stik figures. Their other forms can be seen on streets all over London.
Although a few years ago the artist barely bound to make ends meet and was homeless, he is now one of the most recognizable British street artists. Collectors pay thousands of pounds for his work.
CSW Laznia says - Last year, the containers have been removed in connection with the renovation and came to nothing. Stik recently contacted us and informed that the works are exhibited in one of London galleries - says Jadwiga Charzynska, director of the CSW Laznia. - Their value is estimated at over one million dollars.
The artist is outraged remedy the situation, and he wants to explain it as soon as possible. He emphasizes that his murals have been created socially, and not for profit and wants them to come back to Gdansk Dolne Miasto. - In consultation with the artist, we submitted a notice to the prosecution on suspicion of copyright infringement. Also we alerted about the situation all parties that may be involved in a case - says Charzynska.
It is unclear how the commercial market hit Stik work without his approval and in connection with an allegation of copyright infringement is explained by the District Prosecutor's Office in Gdansk.
wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1019379,title,Brytyjski-artysta-odnalazl-namalowane-w-Gdansku-graffiti-w-londynskim-domu-aukcyjnym,wid,17950514,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=115e24
TRANSLATION: Four years ago Stik came to Gdansk at the invitation of the Centre for Contemporary Art. During the Brit Cult festival artist painted several murals on containers in one of the primary schools in Gdansk. They showed characteristic of his style characters built from lines. Recently, the artist while looking through the London auctions had found an offer off his work. It turned out that Gdansk mural was cut into parts and pieces and put up for auction. The starting price for each is 10 thousand. pounds.
The case has already been addressed to the Gdansk prosecutor's office. The London gallery has so far not explained where pieces come from.
- Last year, containers with murals were removed in connection with the renovation and they disappeared. Stik recently contacted us and informed that the works are exhibited in one of London galleries - says Jadwiga Charzynska Wirtualna Polska, director of the CSW Laznia. Laznia, school or city is not owned painted containers. They were released by the Association of UKS Motlawa - Gdańsk. Since the end of the festival, no one was interested in the fate of works of art. According to club members metal barracks were used to store equipment pool. As time goes they began to corrode. After the start of the renovation of the school, on whose land they were standing, the authorities of the club were asked to remove them. Then advertisement appeared in the newspaper, it was about sale of three containers with murals. The buyer bought it for 25 thousand zł (4.1 thousand pounds). It is not known how they found their way to London.
Stik wrote about the whole thing on his website, where he expressed outrage over the commercial use, socially painted works. At the same time conducting negotiations on the return of graffiti to Gdansk. Matter has already addressed the Gdańsk District Prosecutor's Office.
I would be pretty pissed off for sure! Glad to see him fight for them to go back. This is from his FB page the other day, a translation of an article from poland. 2 in fact. kultura.trojmiasto.pl/Tajemnicze-znikniecie-murali-brytyjskiego-artysty-n95953.htmlRANSLATION-Murals painted in 2011 on containers in Gdansk by British artist Stik, disappeared in mysterious circumstances. Their value is estimated at over one million dollars. Administrator of painting the mural - CSW Łaźnia has made a notification to the prosecutors. The works were created in the framework of Brit Cult Festival in 2011. CSW (centre of contemporary art) Laznia invited British artist Stik to paint on containers at the primary school no 65. Children who took part in workshops helped Stik with painting. It was part of Laznia's project "revitalisation of Dolne Miasto in Gdansk" which worked with non-governmental organizations, units of municipalities, entrepreneurs. The art work presented characteristic Stik figures. Their other forms can be seen on streets all over London. Although a few years ago the artist barely bound to make ends meet and was homeless, he is now one of the most recognizable British street artists. Collectors pay thousands of pounds for his work. CSW Laznia says - Last year, the containers have been removed in connection with the renovation and came to nothing. Stik recently contacted us and informed that the works are exhibited in one of London galleries - says Jadwiga Charzynska, director of the CSW Laznia. - Their value is estimated at over one million dollars. The artist is outraged remedy the situation, and he wants to explain it as soon as possible. He emphasizes that his murals have been created socially, and not for profit and wants them to come back to Gdansk Dolne Miasto. - In consultation with the artist, we submitted a notice to the prosecution on suspicion of copyright infringement. Also we alerted about the situation all parties that may be involved in a case - says Charzynska. It is unclear how the commercial market hit Stik work without his approval and in connection with an allegation of copyright infringement is explained by the District Prosecutor's Office in Gdansk. wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1019379,title,Brytyjski-artysta-odnalazl-namalowane-w-Gdansku-graffiti-w-londynskim-domu-aukcyjnym,wid,17950514,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=115e24 TRANSLATION: Four years ago Stik came to Gdansk at the invitation of the Centre for Contemporary Art. During the Brit Cult festival artist painted several murals on containers in one of the primary schools in Gdansk. They showed characteristic of his style characters built from lines. Recently, the artist while looking through the London auctions had found an offer off his work. It turned out that Gdansk mural was cut into parts and pieces and put up for auction. The starting price for each is 10 thousand. pounds. The case has already been addressed to the Gdansk prosecutor's office. The London gallery has so far not explained where pieces come from. - Last year, containers with murals were removed in connection with the renovation and they disappeared. Stik recently contacted us and informed that the works are exhibited in one of London galleries - says Jadwiga Charzynska Wirtualna Polska, director of the CSW Laznia. Laznia, school or city is not owned painted containers. They were released by the Association of UKS Motlawa - Gdańsk. Since the end of the festival, no one was interested in the fate of works of art. According to club members metal barracks were used to store equipment pool. As time goes they began to corrode. After the start of the renovation of the school, on whose land they were standing, the authorities of the club were asked to remove them. Then advertisement appeared in the newspaper, it was about sale of three containers with murals. The buyer bought it for 25 thousand zł (4.1 thousand pounds). It is not known how they found their way to London. Stik wrote about the whole thing on his website, where he expressed outrage over the commercial use, socially painted works. At the same time conducting negotiations on the return of graffiti to Gdansk. Matter has already addressed the Gdańsk District Prosecutor's Office.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by M on Nov 13, 2015 9:35:24 GMT 1, According to this article police investigation is running...
www.dziennikbaltycki.pl/artykul/9062305,gdanskie-dzielo-stika-pociete-i-wycenione-na-12-mln-zlotych-afera-kontenerowa,id,t.html
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by Viking Surfer on Nov 13, 2015 10:35:41 GMT 1, Interesting to see the outcome of this.
Does anyone know if Lamberty managed to sell any of the works?
Interesting to see the outcome of this.
Does anyone know if Lamberty managed to sell any of the works?
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Dec 14, 2015 23:45:12 GMT 1, Seriously though, even if your not a fan. You have to feel sorry for the little guys stuck in such unsavoury places!
Seriously though, even if your not a fan. You have to feel sorry for the little guys stuck in such unsavoury places!
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 0:24:13 GMT 1, Did Bank Robber take them on sale or return ?
Lamberty does that with some of the stuff he sells in his shop.
Did Bank Robber take them on sale or return ?
Lamberty does that with some of the stuff he sells in his shop.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Dec 18, 2015 15:34:04 GMT 1, www.ial.uk.com/news/street-artist-and-community-fight-for-dismembered-mural/
British street artist “Stik”, known for painting giant stick-figure images on buildings around the world has become involved in a campaign to restitute a mural he helped create in the city of Gdansk, Poland in 2011. The mural, which features a series of 53 stick figures holding hands in celebration of the local community, was painted onto two large metal shipping containers in Gdansk’s Lower Town. It was commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art as part of a festival of British culture funded by the city and the British Council and involved a group of young artists from the community who contributed to the creation of the work.
The work stretched 150 feet along the sides of the containers, which were said to be owned by a school in Gdansk and used to store canoes for a local sporting club. It was understood by Stik and the others involved that the school had consented to the use of the containers for the project, which was part of a general regeneration of this deprived and neglected part of the city. Stik and Laznia entered into a contract by which Stik gave a limited licence to Laznia to make use of the work for educational and promotional purposes only.
workshop 3 Stik with the local artists in front of their mural in Gdansk in 2011 (c/o Stik)
Unbeknownst to Stik, Laznia or the local artists, the containers and the mural painted on them were removed in 2014. In September 2015 a total of 46 of the original 53 stick figures from the mural were found to be held by the Lamberty Art Gallery in London. A statement on Lamberty’s website read that ‘Lamberty is a primary dealer of Stik’s work’ and that the gallery had a ‘close working relationship with the artist. All of Stik’s street works that have come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist for sale’. Stik had permitted this statement in relation to two charity sales of street pieces made previously through the Gallery.
The next month, sixteen of the figures, cut into ten separate sections, were offered for sale by the Gallery. The sections were advertised as part of a “Stik Exhibition” and each of the pieces was offered for sale at between £10,000 and £12,000.
It was only in September that Stik learned about the whereabouts of the figures, having been tipped off by one of his clients. Stik and the other artists were incensed by the unauthorised removal and severing of the mural and by the Gallery’s subsequent attempt to profit from the sale of the unlicensed segments of the work. Stik objected to his name being used in connection with the removal of the mural, requesting that the statement on the website be taken down and that the mural be returned to Gdansk. Stik has since issued a public statement condemning the removal and the sale of the mural.
collage of all pieces A collage of the dismembered mural pieces being held by the Lamberty Gallery in 2015 (photographs presumably taken by Lamberty)
One of the Polish artists who worked on the project, known as “Miss Take”, has written an open letter to the Gallery’s owner, Andrew Lamberty, expressing her outrage at the situation. For its part, Laznia has issued a statement explaining that it was unaware of the removals and that it has informed the relevant authorities of the situation. It has also asked the Gallery for the return of the murals.
While the Lamberty Gallery agreed to alter the statement on its website, it has refused to return the mural. The Gallery released a separate statement about the dispute, claiming to have negotiated the purchase of the artwork in 2014 through a Polish agent who had dealt directly with the owner of the containers in Gdansk and orchestrated the removal from the street. The Polish news site TVP reports that the containers belonged to a man named Bogdan Iwaniak who sold them to the agent for the equivalent of USD 4,600.
In fact, Stik has suggested that this amount is roughly the price of two new shipping containers, making it unlikely that these were sold as artworks, adding that the appearance of an apparent endorsement on the Gallery’s website could have given the impression that the Gallery was acting on Stik’s behalf. Stik has also expressed surprise that during the year in which Lamberty was in possession of the figures, Lamberty never brought his acquisition to Stik’s attention, despite the fact that the two parties had had several other direct transactions during that time.
The Gallery has offered to return the mural figures that had been co-created with the local artists (while keeping the works created solely by Stik), in exchange for Stik’s authentication of those works that the Gallery keeps. Stik has rejected this proposal and continues to refuse to authenticate any of the Gdansk mural pieces in the Gallery on the grounds that the pieces have been cut up without his approval, the money is not going to the local community and the removal is being investigated by the authorities in Poland.
Lamberty has also threatened Laznia with legal action, accusing the community arts centre of libel and damage to reputation for reporting the situation to the authorities and to the press.
Three pieces of the mural have since been photographed in London’s Bankrobber Gallery. Meanwhile, Stik has offered to return to Gdansk to help reassemble and renovate the mural once it is returned to the city.
IMG_6590 Three of the pieces from the Stik mural at the Bankrobber Gallery in London in late 2015 (c/o Stik)
It is clear from the facts that the artists have a strong moral claim to demand the return. Legally, however, there may be an initial stumbling block. There was no written agreement in place with the owner of the containers when the project commenced. While the owner had supposedly allowed the painting of the mural, there is no suggestion that he had been contractually forbidden from selling any part of his property. As such, from a physical property-based perspective, title to the containers (though not necessarily to the artworks themselves) could have, in theory, passed to the end purchaser, Lamberty.
But the situation is different regarding the intellectual property rights. Stik and the local artists are the indisputable ‘authors’ of the work and would therefore benefit from the moral rights associated with the work as a whole. Under UK law, moral rights include the right to object to derogatory treatment, which is any treatment that mutilates or distorts a work or that is otherwise prejudicial to the authors’ honour or reputation. The splitting up of a continuous frieze into makeshift panels is an obvious example of both distortion and mutilation. This is especially so when the hands of certain figures, intended as symbols of solidarity, have been cut apart.
The treatment is also a direct attack on Stik’s reputation. He is an artist known for his support of local communities and his refusal to authorise or personally accept proceeds from the sale of works intended for charity. The statement on Lamberty’s website that ‘all of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist for sale’ created the illusion that the artist was complicit in the removal, and the subsequent offering for sale, of the mural. As a result, Stik’s reputation has been seriously undermined.
In France, where moral rights reign supreme, an artist who had decorated a fridge in his idiosyncratic style was able to assert those rights after it had been subsequently taken apart and sold as separate parts (a door, a top, a side, etc.). While the UK has had a lukewarm relationship with moral rights since their introduction into British law in 1989, there is a good chance that the activities undertaken by the Lamberty Gallery in this particular case are the type of actions intended to be covered by the moral rights regime. But whether such an argument will go all the way to court is another matter entirely.
Nevertheless, we will keep an eye on the situation and will report on any new developments in the brewing dispute. Watch this space.
stik impression of what reinstated mural might look like crop Stik’s rendering of what the reinstated mural at the Laznia Centre in Gdansk could look like (© Stik)
The author would like to thank Stik for giving a fascinating presentation on this dispute at the IAL study forum of 28 November 2015 in London, for providing additional information used in the preparation of this blog post and for providing the photographs used in the piece. All photographs c/o Stik can be licensed CC BY-SA-ND-NC, but note the possibility that other copyright holders may need to be contacted.
www.ial.uk.com/news/street-artist-and-community-fight-for-dismembered-mural/British street artist “Stik”, known for painting giant stick-figure images on buildings around the world has become involved in a campaign to restitute a mural he helped create in the city of Gdansk, Poland in 2011. The mural, which features a series of 53 stick figures holding hands in celebration of the local community, was painted onto two large metal shipping containers in Gdansk’s Lower Town. It was commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art as part of a festival of British culture funded by the city and the British Council and involved a group of young artists from the community who contributed to the creation of the work. The work stretched 150 feet along the sides of the containers, which were said to be owned by a school in Gdansk and used to store canoes for a local sporting club. It was understood by Stik and the others involved that the school had consented to the use of the containers for the project, which was part of a general regeneration of this deprived and neglected part of the city. Stik and Laznia entered into a contract by which Stik gave a limited licence to Laznia to make use of the work for educational and promotional purposes only. workshop 3 Stik with the local artists in front of their mural in Gdansk in 2011 (c/o Stik) Unbeknownst to Stik, Laznia or the local artists, the containers and the mural painted on them were removed in 2014. In September 2015 a total of 46 of the original 53 stick figures from the mural were found to be held by the Lamberty Art Gallery in London. A statement on Lamberty’s website read that ‘Lamberty is a primary dealer of Stik’s work’ and that the gallery had a ‘close working relationship with the artist. All of Stik’s street works that have come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist for sale’. Stik had permitted this statement in relation to two charity sales of street pieces made previously through the Gallery. The next month, sixteen of the figures, cut into ten separate sections, were offered for sale by the Gallery. The sections were advertised as part of a “Stik Exhibition” and each of the pieces was offered for sale at between £10,000 and £12,000. It was only in September that Stik learned about the whereabouts of the figures, having been tipped off by one of his clients. Stik and the other artists were incensed by the unauthorised removal and severing of the mural and by the Gallery’s subsequent attempt to profit from the sale of the unlicensed segments of the work. Stik objected to his name being used in connection with the removal of the mural, requesting that the statement on the website be taken down and that the mural be returned to Gdansk. Stik has since issued a public statement condemning the removal and the sale of the mural. collage of all pieces A collage of the dismembered mural pieces being held by the Lamberty Gallery in 2015 (photographs presumably taken by Lamberty) One of the Polish artists who worked on the project, known as “Miss Take”, has written an open letter to the Gallery’s owner, Andrew Lamberty, expressing her outrage at the situation. For its part, Laznia has issued a statement explaining that it was unaware of the removals and that it has informed the relevant authorities of the situation. It has also asked the Gallery for the return of the murals. While the Lamberty Gallery agreed to alter the statement on its website, it has refused to return the mural. The Gallery released a separate statement about the dispute, claiming to have negotiated the purchase of the artwork in 2014 through a Polish agent who had dealt directly with the owner of the containers in Gdansk and orchestrated the removal from the street. The Polish news site TVP reports that the containers belonged to a man named Bogdan Iwaniak who sold them to the agent for the equivalent of USD 4,600. In fact, Stik has suggested that this amount is roughly the price of two new shipping containers, making it unlikely that these were sold as artworks, adding that the appearance of an apparent endorsement on the Gallery’s website could have given the impression that the Gallery was acting on Stik’s behalf. Stik has also expressed surprise that during the year in which Lamberty was in possession of the figures, Lamberty never brought his acquisition to Stik’s attention, despite the fact that the two parties had had several other direct transactions during that time. The Gallery has offered to return the mural figures that had been co-created with the local artists (while keeping the works created solely by Stik), in exchange for Stik’s authentication of those works that the Gallery keeps. Stik has rejected this proposal and continues to refuse to authenticate any of the Gdansk mural pieces in the Gallery on the grounds that the pieces have been cut up without his approval, the money is not going to the local community and the removal is being investigated by the authorities in Poland. Lamberty has also threatened Laznia with legal action, accusing the community arts centre of libel and damage to reputation for reporting the situation to the authorities and to the press. Three pieces of the mural have since been photographed in London’s Bankrobber Gallery. Meanwhile, Stik has offered to return to Gdansk to help reassemble and renovate the mural once it is returned to the city. IMG_6590 Three of the pieces from the Stik mural at the Bankrobber Gallery in London in late 2015 (c/o Stik) It is clear from the facts that the artists have a strong moral claim to demand the return. Legally, however, there may be an initial stumbling block. There was no written agreement in place with the owner of the containers when the project commenced. While the owner had supposedly allowed the painting of the mural, there is no suggestion that he had been contractually forbidden from selling any part of his property. As such, from a physical property-based perspective, title to the containers (though not necessarily to the artworks themselves) could have, in theory, passed to the end purchaser, Lamberty. But the situation is different regarding the intellectual property rights. Stik and the local artists are the indisputable ‘authors’ of the work and would therefore benefit from the moral rights associated with the work as a whole. Under UK law, moral rights include the right to object to derogatory treatment, which is any treatment that mutilates or distorts a work or that is otherwise prejudicial to the authors’ honour or reputation. The splitting up of a continuous frieze into makeshift panels is an obvious example of both distortion and mutilation. This is especially so when the hands of certain figures, intended as symbols of solidarity, have been cut apart. The treatment is also a direct attack on Stik’s reputation. He is an artist known for his support of local communities and his refusal to authorise or personally accept proceeds from the sale of works intended for charity. The statement on Lamberty’s website that ‘all of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist for sale’ created the illusion that the artist was complicit in the removal, and the subsequent offering for sale, of the mural. As a result, Stik’s reputation has been seriously undermined. In France, where moral rights reign supreme, an artist who had decorated a fridge in his idiosyncratic style was able to assert those rights after it had been subsequently taken apart and sold as separate parts (a door, a top, a side, etc.). While the UK has had a lukewarm relationship with moral rights since their introduction into British law in 1989, there is a good chance that the activities undertaken by the Lamberty Gallery in this particular case are the type of actions intended to be covered by the moral rights regime. But whether such an argument will go all the way to court is another matter entirely. Nevertheless, we will keep an eye on the situation and will report on any new developments in the brewing dispute. Watch this space. stik impression of what reinstated mural might look like crop Stik’s rendering of what the reinstated mural at the Laznia Centre in Gdansk could look like (© Stik) The author would like to thank Stik for giving a fascinating presentation on this dispute at the IAL study forum of 28 November 2015 in London, for providing additional information used in the preparation of this blog post and for providing the photographs used in the piece. All photographs c/o Stik can be licensed CC BY-SA-ND-NC, but note the possibility that other copyright holders may need to be contacted.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Jan 27, 2016 22:35:16 GMT 1, Still not given them back yet apparently. From vandalog
Another London “art dealer” chops up a mural
London-based street artist Stik is internationally known for painting cute stick figures that just generally make people smile. It’s a harmless bit of good that he does. Sometimes he even collaborates with kids in the towns where he paints. He’s the most heartwarming kind of muralist. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that Stik used his art career to lift himself out of homelessness. Who would ever do something to mess with Stik?
Meet Andrew Lamberty, founder of Lamberty Antiques. His Twitter profile says that he sells “James Bond furniture for the discerning villain.” He has decided to mess with Stik.
The Institute of Art and Law Blog has a good explanation of the story up to this point. It goes something like this:
Back in 2011, Stik painted two murals on shipping containers in Gdańsk, Poland. The murals were commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art in Gdańsk, and were a painted in collaboration with 10 local young people. In late 2014, the containers disappeared. Later, it was discovered the owner had sold them for only $4,000. That’s approximately market rate for two standard shipping containers without murals on them, suggesting that nobody in Gdańsk was aware of what was about to happen. In October 2015, 10 pieces of the containers reappeared (representing 16 out of the 53 figures originally in the murals), chopped up and on display at Lamberty’s gallery in London. The asking price was £10,000-12,000 per section. Initially, Lamberty’s website include the claim that “All of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist.” This was not true, and is still not true. In late October, Lamberty posted a statement on their website about the situation. As hard as they might try, it does not make Lamberty look good. Some choice quotes from that statement: “Lamberty legally purchased these works with full documentation. We removed them from a harsh outdoor climate, where they were deteriorating, and prepared them for indoor instalment.” “Lamberty has requested that Stik recognise and endorse the removal of these pieces – in exchange we have offered to return the works over decorated by local children for the enjoyment or benefit of the local school community.” You read that right: Lamberty is holding some of the Gdańsk segments hostage, and his price is that Stik authenticates other Gdańsk segments for Lamberty to then sell. Today, in January, Stik is still fighting to get the works back from Lamberty and stop the sale of the mutilated and unauthenticated mural. So here’s how the situation appears to me: A scumbag went to Poland, bought a community mural from a private owner, mutilated that mural by chopping it into little pieces, tried to sell those little pieces for a profit, got caught being a scumbag, and finally decided to make everything better (read: save his detestable investment) by trying to pressure a kindhearted artist into sullying his reputation and authenticating inauthentic artworks.
But what makes these Lamberty pieces inauthentic? Assuming these pieces are the shipping container that Stik painting, they were once Stik murals. And now they are not. How? By chopping them up, Lamberty has irrevocably changed the meaning of the artwork. What was once a message of solidarity (50-odd people holding hands) is broken apart into lonely, separated people. Only a fool would call that the same artwork. What is Guernica if you only see the oil lamp? What is The Great Gatsby if you only read page 103? Therefore, these works are not authentic Stik paintings (at least not anymore than someone trying to sell you page 103 of The Great Gatsby is selling you a novel by F. Scott Fitzgerald). This is moral rights 101.
Lamberty’s defense, that he paid for the shipping containers before cutting them up, is like saying that it’s okay to own a stolen car, as long as you paid someone to steal it for you. Oh, and then you cut that stolen car into 53 pieces and tried to sell each of piece separately as one fully-functional new car. And then you tell the car’s original owner than you’ll return half pieces, but only if they will tell the police that nothing was stolen in the first place.
It’s time for Lamberty to do the right thing. He should immediately return every piece of the Gdańsk shipping containers to Stik or to the people of Gdańsk. He should also pay for Stik to paint a new mural in Gdańsk. If Lamberty won’t do that, he and his gallery need to shut up and stop pretending to have the moral high ground here.
As for the rest of us, we just need to keep one thing in mind: Buying unauthenticated street pieces is not okay, and the people who sell street pieces tend to be shady, even by art dealer standards. Why deal with with shady people? Support your favorite artists by buying direct from them or the galleries that represent them. It’s really that simple.
Photos courtesy of Stik and from lamberty.co.uk
Still not given them back yet apparently. From vandalog Another London “art dealer” chops up a mural London-based street artist Stik is internationally known for painting cute stick figures that just generally make people smile. It’s a harmless bit of good that he does. Sometimes he even collaborates with kids in the towns where he paints. He’s the most heartwarming kind of muralist. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that Stik used his art career to lift himself out of homelessness. Who would ever do something to mess with Stik? Meet Andrew Lamberty, founder of Lamberty Antiques. His Twitter profile says that he sells “James Bond furniture for the discerning villain.” He has decided to mess with Stik. The Institute of Art and Law Blog has a good explanation of the story up to this point. It goes something like this: Back in 2011, Stik painted two murals on shipping containers in Gdańsk, Poland. The murals were commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art in Gdańsk, and were a painted in collaboration with 10 local young people. In late 2014, the containers disappeared. Later, it was discovered the owner had sold them for only $4,000. That’s approximately market rate for two standard shipping containers without murals on them, suggesting that nobody in Gdańsk was aware of what was about to happen. In October 2015, 10 pieces of the containers reappeared (representing 16 out of the 53 figures originally in the murals), chopped up and on display at Lamberty’s gallery in London. The asking price was £10,000-12,000 per section. Initially, Lamberty’s website include the claim that “All of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist.” This was not true, and is still not true. In late October, Lamberty posted a statement on their website about the situation. As hard as they might try, it does not make Lamberty look good. Some choice quotes from that statement: “Lamberty legally purchased these works with full documentation. We removed them from a harsh outdoor climate, where they were deteriorating, and prepared them for indoor instalment.” “Lamberty has requested that Stik recognise and endorse the removal of these pieces – in exchange we have offered to return the works over decorated by local children for the enjoyment or benefit of the local school community.” You read that right: Lamberty is holding some of the Gdańsk segments hostage, and his price is that Stik authenticates other Gdańsk segments for Lamberty to then sell. Today, in January, Stik is still fighting to get the works back from Lamberty and stop the sale of the mutilated and unauthenticated mural. So here’s how the situation appears to me: A scumbag went to Poland, bought a community mural from a private owner, mutilated that mural by chopping it into little pieces, tried to sell those little pieces for a profit, got caught being a scumbag, and finally decided to make everything better (read: save his detestable investment) by trying to pressure a kindhearted artist into sullying his reputation and authenticating inauthentic artworks. But what makes these Lamberty pieces inauthentic? Assuming these pieces are the shipping container that Stik painting, they were once Stik murals. And now they are not. How? By chopping them up, Lamberty has irrevocably changed the meaning of the artwork. What was once a message of solidarity (50-odd people holding hands) is broken apart into lonely, separated people. Only a fool would call that the same artwork. What is Guernica if you only see the oil lamp? What is The Great Gatsby if you only read page 103? Therefore, these works are not authentic Stik paintings (at least not anymore than someone trying to sell you page 103 of The Great Gatsby is selling you a novel by F. Scott Fitzgerald). This is moral rights 101. Lamberty’s defense, that he paid for the shipping containers before cutting them up, is like saying that it’s okay to own a stolen car, as long as you paid someone to steal it for you. Oh, and then you cut that stolen car into 53 pieces and tried to sell each of piece separately as one fully-functional new car. And then you tell the car’s original owner than you’ll return half pieces, but only if they will tell the police that nothing was stolen in the first place. It’s time for Lamberty to do the right thing. He should immediately return every piece of the Gdańsk shipping containers to Stik or to the people of Gdańsk. He should also pay for Stik to paint a new mural in Gdańsk. If Lamberty won’t do that, he and his gallery need to shut up and stop pretending to have the moral high ground here. As for the rest of us, we just need to keep one thing in mind: Buying unauthenticated street pieces is not okay, and the people who sell street pieces tend to be shady, even by art dealer standards. Why deal with with shady people? Support your favorite artists by buying direct from them or the galleries that represent them. It’s really that simple. Photos courtesy of Stik and from lamberty.co.uk
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by iamzero on Jan 27, 2016 22:55:56 GMT 1, First class p*ick.
First class p*ick.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by iamzero on Jan 27, 2016 22:56:42 GMT 1, Love how I can use the word wanker but not p*ick.
Love how I can use the word wanker but not p*ick.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Jan 27, 2016 23:01:42 GMT 1, Love how I can use the word wanker but not p*ick. the spellcheck/word police have reviewed your contextual usage and decided its appropriate in this instance.
Love how I can use the word wanker but not p*ick. the spellcheck/word police have reviewed your contextual usage and decided its appropriate in this instance.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by .dappy on Jan 27, 2016 23:19:38 GMT 1, Love how I can use the word wonker but not pwick. Edited
Love how I can use the word wonker but not pwick. Edited
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 23:43:17 GMT 1, Still not given them back yet apparently. From vandalog Another London “art dealer” chops up a mural London-based street artist Stik is internationally known for painting cute stick figures that just generally make people smile. It’s a harmless bit of good that he does. Sometimes he even collaborates with kids in the towns where he paints. He’s the most heartwarming kind of muralist. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that Stik used his art career to lift himself out of homelessness. Who would ever do something to mess with Stik? Meet Andrew Lamberty, founder of Lamberty Antiques. His Twitter profile says that he sells “James Bond furniture for the discerning villain.” He has decided to mess with Stik. The Institute of Art and Law Blog has a good explanation of the story up to this point. It goes something like this: Back in 2011, Stik painted two murals on shipping containers in Gdańsk, Poland. The murals were commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art in Gdańsk, and were a painted in collaboration with 10 local young people. In late 2014, the containers disappeared. Later, it was discovered the owner had sold them for only $4,000. That’s approximately market rate for two standard shipping containers without murals on them, suggesting that nobody in Gdańsk was aware of what was about to happen. In October 2015, 10 pieces of the containers reappeared (representing 16 out of the 53 figures originally in the murals), chopped up and on display at Lamberty’s gallery in London. The asking price was £10,000-12,000 per section. Initially, Lamberty’s website include the claim that “All of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist.” This was not true, and is still not true. In late October, Lamberty posted a statement on their website about the situation. As hard as they might try, it does not make Lamberty look good. Some choice quotes from that statement: “Lamberty legally purchased these works with full documentation. We removed them from a harsh outdoor climate, where they were deteriorating, and prepared them for indoor instalment.” “Lamberty has requested that Stik recognise and endorse the removal of these pieces – in exchange we have offered to return the works over decorated by local children for the enjoyment or benefit of the local school community.” You read that right: Lamberty is holding some of the Gdańsk segments hostage, and his price is that Stik authenticates other Gdańsk segments for Lamberty to then sell. Today, in January, Stik is still fighting to get the works back from Lamberty and stop the sale of the mutilated and unauthenticated mural. So here’s how the situation appears to me: A scumbag went to Poland, bought a community mural from a private owner, mutilated that mural by chopping it into little pieces, tried to sell those little pieces for a profit, got caught being a scumbag, and finally decided to make everything better (read: save his detestable investment) by trying to pressure a kindhearted artist into sullying his reputation and authenticating inauthentic artworks. But what makes these Lamberty pieces inauthentic? Assuming these pieces are the shipping container that Stik painting, they were once Stik murals. And now they are not. How? By chopping them up, Lamberty has irrevocably changed the meaning of the artwork. What was once a message of solidarity (50-odd people holding hands) is broken apart into lonely, separated people. Only a fool would call that the same artwork. What is Guernica if you only see the oil lamp? What is The Great Gatsby if you only read page 103? Therefore, these works are not authentic Stik paintings (at least not anymore than someone trying to sell you page 103 of The Great Gatsby is selling you a novel by F. Scott Fitzgerald). This is moral rights 101. Lamberty’s defense, that he paid for the shipping containers before cutting them up, is like saying that it’s okay to own a stolen car, as long as you paid someone to steal it for you. Oh, and then you cut that stolen car into 53 pieces and tried to sell each of piece separately as one fully-functional new car. And then you tell the car’s original owner than you’ll return half pieces, but only if they will tell the police that nothing was stolen in the first place. It’s time for Lamberty to do the right thing. He should immediately return every piece of the Gdańsk shipping containers to Stik or to the people of Gdańsk. He should also pay for Stik to paint a new mural in Gdańsk. If Lamberty won’t do that, he and his gallery need to shut up and stop pretending to have the moral high ground here. As for the rest of us, we just need to keep one thing in mind: Buying unauthenticated street pieces is not okay, and the people who sell street pieces tend to be shady, even by art dealer standards. Why deal with with shady people? Support your favorite artists by buying direct from them or the galleries that represent them. It’s really that simple. Photos courtesy of Stik and from lamberty.co.uk
Funnily enough people I know who have met or dealt with Lamberty are less flattering than you are in your post.
Who knows what motivated Lamberty to try to make a lot of money when he saw an opportunity.
Unfortunately for many people in Lamberty's trade, the good old days of cash rich brokers traders city boys etc who would buy from certain antique dealers and decorators on a whim and at highly marked up prices have very careful with their money today.
The words chancer, opportunist may or may not be valid.
A very expensive to rent shop in Pimlico requires good business sense.
Hmm , are his accounts overdue? LAMBERTY LIMITED
beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895
beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895/charges
Still not given them back yet apparently. From vandalog Another London “art dealer” chops up a mural London-based street artist Stik is internationally known for painting cute stick figures that just generally make people smile. It’s a harmless bit of good that he does. Sometimes he even collaborates with kids in the towns where he paints. He’s the most heartwarming kind of muralist. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that Stik used his art career to lift himself out of homelessness. Who would ever do something to mess with Stik? Meet Andrew Lamberty, founder of Lamberty Antiques. His Twitter profile says that he sells “James Bond furniture for the discerning villain.” He has decided to mess with Stik. The Institute of Art and Law Blog has a good explanation of the story up to this point. It goes something like this: Back in 2011, Stik painted two murals on shipping containers in Gdańsk, Poland. The murals were commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art in Gdańsk, and were a painted in collaboration with 10 local young people. In late 2014, the containers disappeared. Later, it was discovered the owner had sold them for only $4,000. That’s approximately market rate for two standard shipping containers without murals on them, suggesting that nobody in Gdańsk was aware of what was about to happen. In October 2015, 10 pieces of the containers reappeared (representing 16 out of the 53 figures originally in the murals), chopped up and on display at Lamberty’s gallery in London. The asking price was £10,000-12,000 per section. Initially, Lamberty’s website include the claim that “All of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist.” This was not true, and is still not true. In late October, Lamberty posted a statement on their website about the situation. As hard as they might try, it does not make Lamberty look good. Some choice quotes from that statement: “Lamberty legally purchased these works with full documentation. We removed them from a harsh outdoor climate, where they were deteriorating, and prepared them for indoor instalment.” “Lamberty has requested that Stik recognise and endorse the removal of these pieces – in exchange we have offered to return the works over decorated by local children for the enjoyment or benefit of the local school community.” You read that right: Lamberty is holding some of the Gdańsk segments hostage, and his price is that Stik authenticates other Gdańsk segments for Lamberty to then sell. Today, in January, Stik is still fighting to get the works back from Lamberty and stop the sale of the mutilated and unauthenticated mural. So here’s how the situation appears to me: A scumbag went to Poland, bought a community mural from a private owner, mutilated that mural by chopping it into little pieces, tried to sell those little pieces for a profit, got caught being a scumbag, and finally decided to make everything better (read: save his detestable investment) by trying to pressure a kindhearted artist into sullying his reputation and authenticating inauthentic artworks. But what makes these Lamberty pieces inauthentic? Assuming these pieces are the shipping container that Stik painting, they were once Stik murals. And now they are not. How? By chopping them up, Lamberty has irrevocably changed the meaning of the artwork. What was once a message of solidarity (50-odd people holding hands) is broken apart into lonely, separated people. Only a fool would call that the same artwork. What is Guernica if you only see the oil lamp? What is The Great Gatsby if you only read page 103? Therefore, these works are not authentic Stik paintings (at least not anymore than someone trying to sell you page 103 of The Great Gatsby is selling you a novel by F. Scott Fitzgerald). This is moral rights 101. Lamberty’s defense, that he paid for the shipping containers before cutting them up, is like saying that it’s okay to own a stolen car, as long as you paid someone to steal it for you. Oh, and then you cut that stolen car into 53 pieces and tried to sell each of piece separately as one fully-functional new car. And then you tell the car’s original owner than you’ll return half pieces, but only if they will tell the police that nothing was stolen in the first place. It’s time for Lamberty to do the right thing. He should immediately return every piece of the Gdańsk shipping containers to Stik or to the people of Gdańsk. He should also pay for Stik to paint a new mural in Gdańsk. If Lamberty won’t do that, he and his gallery need to shut up and stop pretending to have the moral high ground here. As for the rest of us, we just need to keep one thing in mind: Buying unauthenticated street pieces is not okay, and the people who sell street pieces tend to be shady, even by art dealer standards. Why deal with with shady people? Support your favorite artists by buying direct from them or the galleries that represent them. It’s really that simple. Photos courtesy of Stik and from lamberty.co.uk Funnily enough people I know who have met or dealt with Lamberty are less flattering than you are in your post. Who knows what motivated Lamberty to try to make a lot of money when he saw an opportunity. Unfortunately for many people in Lamberty's trade, the good old days of cash rich brokers traders city boys etc who would buy from certain antique dealers and decorators on a whim and at highly marked up prices have very careful with their money today. The words chancer, opportunist may or may not be valid. A very expensive to rent shop in Pimlico requires good business sense. Hmm , are his accounts overdue? LAMBERTY LIMITED beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895/charges
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by Steph Rat Catcher on Jan 27, 2016 23:51:49 GMT 1, Still not given them back yet apparently. From vandalog Another London “art dealer” chops up a mural London-based street artist Stik is internationally known for painting cute stick figures that just generally make people smile. It’s a harmless bit of good that he does. Sometimes he even collaborates with kids in the towns where he paints. He’s the most heartwarming kind of muralist. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that Stik used his art career to lift himself out of homelessness. Who would ever do something to mess with Stik? Meet Andrew Lamberty, founder of Lamberty Antiques. His Twitter profile says that he sells “James Bond furniture for the discerning villain.” He has decided to mess with Stik. The Institute of Art and Law Blog has a good explanation of the story up to this point. It goes something like this: Back in 2011, Stik painted two murals on shipping containers in Gdańsk, Poland. The murals were commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art in Gdańsk, and were a painted in collaboration with 10 local young people. In late 2014, the containers disappeared. Later, it was discovered the owner had sold them for only $4,000. That’s approximately market rate for two standard shipping containers without murals on them, suggesting that nobody in Gdańsk was aware of what was about to happen. In October 2015, 10 pieces of the containers reappeared (representing 16 out of the 53 figures originally in the murals), chopped up and on display at Lamberty’s gallery in London. The asking price was £10,000-12,000 per section. Initially, Lamberty’s website include the claim that “All of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist.” This was not true, and is still not true. In late October, Lamberty posted a statement on their website about the situation. As hard as they might try, it does not make Lamberty look good. Some choice quotes from that statement: “Lamberty legally purchased these works with full documentation. We removed them from a harsh outdoor climate, where they were deteriorating, and prepared them for indoor instalment.” “Lamberty has requested that Stik recognise and endorse the removal of these pieces – in exchange we have offered to return the works over decorated by local children for the enjoyment or benefit of the local school community.” You read that right: Lamberty is holding some of the Gdańsk segments hostage, and his price is that Stik authenticates other Gdańsk segments for Lamberty to then sell. Today, in January, Stik is still fighting to get the works back from Lamberty and stop the sale of the mutilated and unauthenticated mural. So here’s how the situation appears to me: A scumbag went to Poland, bought a community mural from a private owner, mutilated that mural by chopping it into little pieces, tried to sell those little pieces for a profit, got caught being a scumbag, and finally decided to make everything better (read: save his detestable investment) by trying to pressure a kindhearted artist into sullying his reputation and authenticating inauthentic artworks. But what makes these Lamberty pieces inauthentic? Assuming these pieces are the shipping container that Stik painting, they were once Stik murals. And now they are not. How? By chopping them up, Lamberty has irrevocably changed the meaning of the artwork. What was once a message of solidarity (50-odd people holding hands) is broken apart into lonely, separated people. Only a fool would call that the same artwork. What is Guernica if you only see the oil lamp? What is The Great Gatsby if you only read page 103? Therefore, these works are not authentic Stik paintings (at least not anymore than someone trying to sell you page 103 of The Great Gatsby is selling you a novel by F. Scott Fitzgerald). This is moral rights 101. Lamberty’s defense, that he paid for the shipping containers before cutting them up, is like saying that it’s okay to own a stolen car, as long as you paid someone to steal it for you. Oh, and then you cut that stolen car into 53 pieces and tried to sell each of piece separately as one fully-functional new car. And then you tell the car’s original owner than you’ll return half pieces, but only if they will tell the police that nothing was stolen in the first place. It’s time for Lamberty to do the right thing. He should immediately return every piece of the Gdańsk shipping containers to Stik or to the people of Gdańsk. He should also pay for Stik to paint a new mural in Gdańsk. If Lamberty won’t do that, he and his gallery need to shut up and stop pretending to have the moral high ground here. As for the rest of us, we just need to keep one thing in mind: Buying unauthenticated street pieces is not okay, and the people who sell street pieces tend to be shady, even by art dealer standards. Why deal with with shady people? Support your favorite artists by buying direct from them or the galleries that represent them. It’s really that simple. Photos courtesy of Stik and from lamberty.co.uk Funnily enough people I know who have met or dealt with Lamberty are less flattering than you are in your post. Who knows what motivated Lamberty to try to make a lot of money when he saw an opportunity. Unfortunately for many people in Lamberty's trade, the good old days of cash rich brokers traders city boys etc who would buy from certain antique dealers and decorators on a whim and at highly marked up prices have very careful with their money today. The words chancer, opportunist may or may not be valid. A very expensive to rent shop in Pimlico requires good business sense. Hmm , are his accounts overdue? LAMBERTY LIMITED beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895/charges my friend say's he thought he saw one of his staff at a auction last week .. Funny old game
Still not given them back yet apparently. From vandalog Another London “art dealer” chops up a mural London-based street artist Stik is internationally known for painting cute stick figures that just generally make people smile. It’s a harmless bit of good that he does. Sometimes he even collaborates with kids in the towns where he paints. He’s the most heartwarming kind of muralist. Oh, and I almost forgot to mention that Stik used his art career to lift himself out of homelessness. Who would ever do something to mess with Stik? Meet Andrew Lamberty, founder of Lamberty Antiques. His Twitter profile says that he sells “James Bond furniture for the discerning villain.” He has decided to mess with Stik. The Institute of Art and Law Blog has a good explanation of the story up to this point. It goes something like this: Back in 2011, Stik painted two murals on shipping containers in Gdańsk, Poland. The murals were commissioned by the Laznia Centre for Contemporary Art in Gdańsk, and were a painted in collaboration with 10 local young people. In late 2014, the containers disappeared. Later, it was discovered the owner had sold them for only $4,000. That’s approximately market rate for two standard shipping containers without murals on them, suggesting that nobody in Gdańsk was aware of what was about to happen. In October 2015, 10 pieces of the containers reappeared (representing 16 out of the 53 figures originally in the murals), chopped up and on display at Lamberty’s gallery in London. The asking price was £10,000-12,000 per section. Initially, Lamberty’s website include the claim that “All of Stik’s street works that come into Lamberty are fully approved by the artist.” This was not true, and is still not true. In late October, Lamberty posted a statement on their website about the situation. As hard as they might try, it does not make Lamberty look good. Some choice quotes from that statement: “Lamberty legally purchased these works with full documentation. We removed them from a harsh outdoor climate, where they were deteriorating, and prepared them for indoor instalment.” “Lamberty has requested that Stik recognise and endorse the removal of these pieces – in exchange we have offered to return the works over decorated by local children for the enjoyment or benefit of the local school community.” You read that right: Lamberty is holding some of the Gdańsk segments hostage, and his price is that Stik authenticates other Gdańsk segments for Lamberty to then sell. Today, in January, Stik is still fighting to get the works back from Lamberty and stop the sale of the mutilated and unauthenticated mural. So here’s how the situation appears to me: A scumbag went to Poland, bought a community mural from a private owner, mutilated that mural by chopping it into little pieces, tried to sell those little pieces for a profit, got caught being a scumbag, and finally decided to make everything better (read: save his detestable investment) by trying to pressure a kindhearted artist into sullying his reputation and authenticating inauthentic artworks. But what makes these Lamberty pieces inauthentic? Assuming these pieces are the shipping container that Stik painting, they were once Stik murals. And now they are not. How? By chopping them up, Lamberty has irrevocably changed the meaning of the artwork. What was once a message of solidarity (50-odd people holding hands) is broken apart into lonely, separated people. Only a fool would call that the same artwork. What is Guernica if you only see the oil lamp? What is The Great Gatsby if you only read page 103? Therefore, these works are not authentic Stik paintings (at least not anymore than someone trying to sell you page 103 of The Great Gatsby is selling you a novel by F. Scott Fitzgerald). This is moral rights 101. Lamberty’s defense, that he paid for the shipping containers before cutting them up, is like saying that it’s okay to own a stolen car, as long as you paid someone to steal it for you. Oh, and then you cut that stolen car into 53 pieces and tried to sell each of piece separately as one fully-functional new car. And then you tell the car’s original owner than you’ll return half pieces, but only if they will tell the police that nothing was stolen in the first place. It’s time for Lamberty to do the right thing. He should immediately return every piece of the Gdańsk shipping containers to Stik or to the people of Gdańsk. He should also pay for Stik to paint a new mural in Gdańsk. If Lamberty won’t do that, he and his gallery need to shut up and stop pretending to have the moral high ground here. As for the rest of us, we just need to keep one thing in mind: Buying unauthenticated street pieces is not okay, and the people who sell street pieces tend to be shady, even by art dealer standards. Why deal with with shady people? Support your favorite artists by buying direct from them or the galleries that represent them. It’s really that simple. Photos courtesy of Stik and from lamberty.co.uk Funnily enough people I know who have met or dealt with Lamberty are less flattering than you are in your post. Who knows what motivated Lamberty to try to make a lot of money when he saw an opportunity. Unfortunately for many people in Lamberty's trade, the good old days of cash rich brokers traders city boys etc who would buy from certain antique dealers and decorators on a whim and at highly marked up prices have very careful with their money today. The words chancer, opportunist may or may not be valid. A very expensive to rent shop in Pimlico requires good business sense. Hmm , are his accounts overdue? LAMBERTY LIMITED beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895/charges my friend say's he thought he saw one of his staff at a auction last week .. Funny old game
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by tartarus on Jan 27, 2016 23:58:15 GMT 1, Funnily enough people I know who have met or dealt with Lamberty are less flattering than you are in your post. Who knows what motivated Lamberty to try to make a lot of money when he saw an opportunity. Unfortunately for many people in Lamberty's trade, the good old days of cash rich brokers traders city boys etc who would buy from certain antique dealers and decorators on a whim and at highly marked up prices have very careful with their money today. The words chancer, opportunist may or may not be valid. A very expensive to rent shop in Pimlico requires good business sense. Hmm , are his accounts overdue? LAMBERTY LIMITED beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895/charges my friend say's he thought he saw one of his staff at a auction last week .. Funny old game cheeky!
Funnily enough people I know who have met or dealt with Lamberty are less flattering than you are in your post. Who knows what motivated Lamberty to try to make a lot of money when he saw an opportunity. Unfortunately for many people in Lamberty's trade, the good old days of cash rich brokers traders city boys etc who would buy from certain antique dealers and decorators on a whim and at highly marked up prices have very careful with their money today. The words chancer, opportunist may or may not be valid. A very expensive to rent shop in Pimlico requires good business sense. Hmm , are his accounts overdue? LAMBERTY LIMITED beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04457895/charges my friend say's he thought he saw one of his staff at a auction last week .. Funny old game cheeky!
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Poster Bob
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by Poster Bob on Jan 28, 2016 12:57:52 GMT 1, That vandalog article is awfully written. Someone tell him to stick to his day job.
That vandalog article is awfully written. Someone tell him to stick to his day job.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 12:59:01 GMT 1, I hope that Stik can set a prescedent in UK and Europe with this and issue Lamberty learns a very expensive lesson which includes paying all the costs to return the mural back to Poland.
The EU and UK has many laws they enforce "like" making illegal selling crooked vegetables etc.
So would be easy to make a law banning dealing with cultural artifacts and community projects without approval from the artist and people involved in the project.
Unfortunately the EU also has this law of free trade and movement and commerce across the EU.
If the law was that the mural was painted on a container not owned by Stik or the people involved in the project, just loaned or rented by someone. Then the loan or rent agreement expired and the owner sold it to someone as a container. I can see that will eb hard to do anything about.
If the owner of the container knew that the art on the container is valuable and sold the container for a lot more money than a container actually costs then technically the owner was selling the art.
Which does not belong to the container owner.
I hope that Stik can set a prescedent in UK and Europe with this and issue Lamberty learns a very expensive lesson which includes paying all the costs to return the mural back to Poland.
The EU and UK has many laws they enforce "like" making illegal selling crooked vegetables etc.
So would be easy to make a law banning dealing with cultural artifacts and community projects without approval from the artist and people involved in the project.
Unfortunately the EU also has this law of free trade and movement and commerce across the EU.
If the law was that the mural was painted on a container not owned by Stik or the people involved in the project, just loaned or rented by someone. Then the loan or rent agreement expired and the owner sold it to someone as a container. I can see that will eb hard to do anything about.
If the owner of the container knew that the art on the container is valuable and sold the container for a lot more money than a container actually costs then technically the owner was selling the art.
Which does not belong to the container owner.
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Stik street art removed/ stolen from Poland project., by M on Feb 8, 2016 7:28:01 GMT 1, dziendobry.tvn.pl/wideo,2064,n/6-kresek-i-dwie-kropki-stik,192765.html interview and London trip with Stik Stik talks about Lamberty case too.
dziendobry.tvn.pl/wideo,2064,n/6-kresek-i-dwie-kropki-stik,192765.html interview and London trip with Stik Stik talks about Lamberty case too.
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