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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Global Art Traders on Nov 5, 2015 22:45:08 GMT 1, I think these prints are brilliant and a fantastic size that will look amazing on a feature wall. The fact they took a long time in coming means there has been a lot of love put into producing them. These are the prints of the year so far for me, good work LAZ! If yer gonna hype up production, probably best not to do it on a digital print.
1. The size - great choice of size on these
2. Technique and style
3. Archival Pigment Print - this wouldn;t work on a screenprint
4. Although some don't like APP's - you would be surprised that these can be a lot harder to produce than you may think. Screen prints can actually be very simple sometimes - to get the tones right in APP is actually quite tough on certain prints, and i would guess these were pretty hard to get right.
I see the argument though, printmaking V printing!!
I think these prints are brilliant and a fantastic size that will look amazing on a feature wall. The fact they took a long time in coming means there has been a lot of love put into producing them. These are the prints of the year so far for me, good work LAZ! If yer gonna hype up production, probably best not to do it on a digital print. Why would I hype? I just happen to think these are great! 1. The size - great choice of size on these 2. Technique and style 3. Archival Pigment Print - this wouldn;t work on a screenprint 4. Although some don't like APP's - you would be surprised that these can be a lot harder to produce than you may think. Screen prints can actually be very simple sometimes - to get the tones right in APP is actually quite tough on certain prints, and i would guess these were pretty hard to get right. I see the argument though, printmaking V printing!! |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Lroy on Nov 5, 2015 23:03:33 GMT 1, My opinion is that everybody - even me - is a bit hypocrite about art and himself : they, we, say that we like street art, murals, Rebels, etc .. , but in the deepest of our mind, we like classicism.
This print is very classic in fact.
And " street-artists " , try or like to copy classic painters.
Sometimes it's great, as here !
I would like to know the opinion of banksy about this .. .
Him, who critised art, to ... then... exposing art !
This ( other ) world is funny.
My opinion is that everybody - even me - is a bit hypocrite about art and himself : they, we, say that we like street art, murals, Rebels, etc .. , but in the deepest of our mind, we like classicism.
This print is very classic in fact.
And " street-artists " , try or like to copy classic painters.
Sometimes it's great, as here !
I would like to know the opinion of banksy about this .. .
Him, who critised art, to ... then... exposing art !
This ( other ) world is funny.
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Bamboo Charcoal on Nov 6, 2015 6:54:11 GMT 1, disappointed I missed it. I was really looking forward to it.
disappointed I missed it. I was really looking forward to it.
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by rosac on Nov 6, 2015 8:12:24 GMT 1, Missed the recent release, if anyone has a change of heart I'll take either. Thanks in advance
Missed the recent release, if anyone has a change of heart I'll take either. Thanks in advance
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by b4ne on Nov 6, 2015 9:02:15 GMT 1, Is there none on the bay ?
Is there none on the bay ?
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by alexdb on Nov 6, 2015 9:32:41 GMT 1, Ebay only shows the location (city, state or country) which the user provides so as I said , impossible to narrow down the exact purchaser and unless you only had one buyer from a city it would still be a wild guess. Anyway...moving along. Well they got it right i guess... The ebay listing is down and props to Laz! Release of the year for me :-)
Ebay only shows the location (city, state or country) which the user provides so as I said , impossible to narrow down the exact purchaser and unless you only had one buyer from a city it would still be a wild guess. Anyway...moving along. Well they got it right i guess... The ebay listing is down and props to Laz! Release of the year for me :-) Did you get one? |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by rosac on Nov 6, 2015 9:34:04 GMT 1, nada yet. i guess once people receive them there might be few
nada yet. i guess once people receive them there might be few
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Fake on Nov 6, 2015 9:39:24 GMT 1, Well they got it right i guess... The ebay listing is down and props to Laz! Release of the year for me :-) Did you get one?
Well they got it right i guess... The ebay listing is down and props to Laz! Release of the year for me :-) Did you get one? Got Both ;-) |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 12:49:55 GMT 1, Laz might of messaged the sellers saying I'm interested, can I pick up, where you based. then boom!
Laz might of messaged the sellers saying I'm interested, can I pick up, where you based. then boom!
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by BKBOI on Nov 6, 2015 12:58:00 GMT 1, only hype when you are saying positive comments about a print and have it FS at the same time.
only hype when you are saying positive comments about a print and have it FS at the same time.
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 14:39:29 GMT 1, No, a cancellation is not possible.
The E-Mail with the order confirmation makes the purchase contract valid (check Lazarides Terms & Conditions point 3.6 - they say it themselves: "3.6 If we accept your order we will confirm our acceptance by sending you a separate confirmation email ("Order Confirmation"). The Contract between us will only be formed when we send you the Order Confirmation." ), and suspicions of possible eBay resells are no reason at all to cancel the purchase contract by seller side.
Friend of mine had the same case with another gallery, they had to pay a compensation and hand him the ordered print. 
I think they will get some legal trouble if the go for that.
No, a cancellation is not possible. The E-Mail with the order confirmation makes the purchase contract valid (check Lazarides Terms & Conditions point 3.6 - they say it themselves: "3.6 If we accept your order we will confirm our acceptance by sending you a separate confirmation email ("Order Confirmation"). The Contract between us will only be formed when we send you the Order Confirmation." ), and suspicions of possible eBay resells are no reason at all to cancel the purchase contract by seller side. Friend of mine had the same case with another gallery, they had to pay a compensation and hand him the ordered print. I think they will get some legal trouble if the go for that. |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by scarylarry on Nov 6, 2015 14:47:10 GMT 1, No, a cancellation is not possible. The E-Mail with the order confirmation makes the purchase contract valid (check Lazarides Terms & Conditions point 3.6 - they say it themselves: ย "3.6 If we accept your order we will confirm our acceptance by sending you a separate confirmation email ("Order Confirmation"). The Contract between us will only be formed when we send you the Order Confirmation." ย ย ), and suspicions of possible eBay resells are no reason at all to cancel the purchase contract by seller side. Friend of mine had the same case with another gallery, they had to pay a compensation and hand him the ordered print.ย I think they will get some legal trouble if the go for that.
They have the right to cancel any order they want. If you want to contact a lawyer over a ยฃ250 print, good luck
No, a cancellation is not possible. The E-Mail with the order confirmation makes the purchase contract valid (check Lazarides Terms & Conditions point 3.6 - they say it themselves: ย "3.6 If we accept your order we will confirm our acceptance by sending you a separate confirmation email ("Order Confirmation"). The Contract between us will only be formed when we send you the Order Confirmation." ย ย ), and suspicions of possible eBay resells are no reason at all to cancel the purchase contract by seller side. Friend of mine had the same case with another gallery, they had to pay a compensation and hand him the ordered print.ย I think they will get some legal trouble if the go for that. They have the right to cancel any order they want. If you want to contact a lawyer over a ยฃ250 print, good luck |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 14:51:30 GMT 1, No, they donยดt.
They are breaking a contract for no reason. If you purchase a print you can do whatever you want with it, that is not their decision. Especially with no proof at all. Plus the ebay auctions are both not online anymore and probably didnยดt even sell.
No, they donยดt.
They are breaking a contract for no reason. If you purchase a print you can do whatever you want with it, that is not their decision. Especially with no proof at all. Plus the ebay auctions are both not online anymore and probably didnยดt even sell.
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by huxleypig on Nov 6, 2015 14:51:44 GMT 1, No, a cancellation is not possible. The E-Mail with the order confirmation makes the purchase contract valid (check Lazarides Terms & Conditions point 3.6 - they say it themselves: ย "3.6 If we accept your order we will confirm our acceptance by sending you a separate confirmation email ("Order Confirmation"). The Contract between us will only be formed when we send you the Order Confirmation." ย ย ), and suspicions of possible eBay resells are no reason at all to cancel the purchase contract by seller side. Friend of mine had the same case with another gallery, they had to pay a compensation and hand him the ordered print.ย I think they will get some legal trouble if the go for that.
On the flip side of this (no pun intended) are you not supposed to have an item in hand when selling on eBay? Obviously I understand that eBay rules and regs are not the law, but surely would be dodgy grounds to make a claim against Laz. Anyway, as stated, I'm sure nobody would go down that route over a ยฃ250 print!
Great move by Laz IMO - these were clearly priced to offer Miaz Bros fans an affordable alternative to an original, could have been priced much higher if they had wanted, so good to see them sticking by this all the way.
No, a cancellation is not possible. The E-Mail with the order confirmation makes the purchase contract valid (check Lazarides Terms & Conditions point 3.6 - they say it themselves: ย "3.6 If we accept your order we will confirm our acceptance by sending you a separate confirmation email ("Order Confirmation"). The Contract between us will only be formed when we send you the Order Confirmation." ย ย ), and suspicions of possible eBay resells are no reason at all to cancel the purchase contract by seller side. Friend of mine had the same case with another gallery, they had to pay a compensation and hand him the ordered print.ย I think they will get some legal trouble if the go for that. On the flip side of this (no pun intended) are you not supposed to have an item in hand when selling on eBay? Obviously I understand that eBay rules and regs are not the law, but surely would be dodgy grounds to make a claim against Laz. Anyway, as stated, I'm sure nobody would go down that route over a ยฃ250 print! Great move by Laz IMO - these were clearly priced to offer Miaz Bros fans an affordable alternative to an original, could have been priced much higher if they had wanted, so good to see them sticking by this all the way. |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by BKBOI on Nov 6, 2015 14:53:12 GMT 1, If your ebay listing and your order from Laz can be linked through a few internet searches, you should strongly consider finding another way to put food on the table.
If your ebay listing and your order from Laz can be linked through a few internet searches, you should strongly consider finding another way to put food on the table.
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:05:41 GMT 1, You donยดt get it, guys.
Morally, maybe, Laz might get a point for that - although it is still very suspicious. You cant cancel all sells that go into one specific city, that is visible on ebay. Thatยดs totally suspicious.
But they are not above the law. They have to stick with it like all of us do. This is not their decission.
ps. most lawyer costs are covered by insurances anyways
You donยดt get it, guys. Morally, maybe, Laz might get a point for that - although it is still very suspicious. You cant cancel all sells that go into one specific city, that is visible on ebay. Thatยดs totally suspicious. But they are not above the law. They have to stick with it like all of us do. This is not their decission. ps. most lawyer costs are covered by insurances anyways |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by savannahsam on Nov 6, 2015 15:12:39 GMT 1, If your ebay listing and your order from Laz can be linked through a few internet searches, you should strongly consider finding another way to put food on the table.
Post of the day....
you can find out anyone's info out on eBay as long as you put a offer in or bid on their item
But the flipper's just put in fake names, addresses and tele numbers too!
Congrats to those who scored! I dropped the ball on this one!
If your ebay listing and your order from Laz can be linked through a few internet searches, you should strongly consider finding another way to put food on the table. Post of the day.... you can find out anyone's info out on eBay as long as you put a offer in or bid on their item But the flipper's just put in fake names, addresses and tele numbers too! Congrats to those who scored! I dropped the ball on this one! |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Dungle on Nov 6, 2015 15:14:29 GMT 1, You donยดt get it, guys. Morally, maybe, Laz might get a point for that - although it is still very suspicious. You cant cancel all sells that go into one specific city, that is visible on ebay. Thatยดs totally suspicious. But they are not above the law. They have to stick with it like all of us do. This is not their decission. ps. most lawyer costs are covered by insurances anyways
You donยดt get it, guys. Morally, maybe, Laz might get a point for that - although it is still very suspicious. You cant cancel all sells that go into one specific city, that is visible on ebay. Thatยดs totally suspicious. But they are not above the law. They have to stick with it like all of us do. This is not their decission. ps. most lawyer costs are covered by insurances anyways Did you have an order cancelled? |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Poster Bob on Nov 6, 2015 15:15:14 GMT 1, Not only are they in the moral right, no one would bother to do anything about it. Good for them.
And to answer a previously posted question, no, you do not need to have items in hand to sell them on Ebay.
Not only are they in the moral right, no one would bother to do anything about it. Good for them.
And to answer a previously posted question, no, you do not need to have items in hand to sell them on Ebay.
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:20:50 GMT 1, No, I donยดt. Sadly didnยดt even get one.
I just read the upper posts about this issue. I understand that flippers are hated and morally they might be right, but legally, as soon as I buy something, neither the gallery nor the artist can decide what I am going to do with it. Keep, Sell, Burn, Walk on it, whatever I like.
No, I donยดt. Sadly didnยดt even get one.
I just read the upper posts about this issue. I understand that flippers are hated and morally they might be right, but legally, as soon as I buy something, neither the gallery nor the artist can decide what I am going to do with it. Keep, Sell, Burn, Walk on it, whatever I like.
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by flo300 on Nov 6, 2015 15:24:22 GMT 1, Interesting topic..
Guess you are right. As soon as they sent out the Order Confirmation, they closed a contract. A possible ebay resell is no reason to step back from that.
Legally, you are right. What does Lazarides say to all that?
Interesting topic..
Guess you are right. As soon as they sent out the Order Confirmation, they closed a contract. A possible ebay resell is no reason to step back from that.
Legally, you are right. What does Lazarides say to all that?
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Fake on Nov 6, 2015 15:31:01 GMT 1, No, I donยดt. Sadly didnยดt even get one. I just read the upper posts about this issue. I understand that flippers are hated and morally they might be right, but legally, as soon as I buy something, neither the gallery nor the artist can decide what I am going to do with it. Keep, Sell, Burn, Walk on it, whatever I like.
You think Laz don't know there own rules of contract? It is all about the reason they give on why an order is canceled. They might not even give you a reason.. but the most used one is "sorry we oversold"
No, I donยดt. Sadly didnยดt even get one. I just read the upper posts about this issue. I understand that flippers are hated and morally they might be right, but legally, as soon as I buy something, neither the gallery nor the artist can decide what I am going to do with it. Keep, Sell, Burn, Walk on it, whatever I like. You think Laz don't know there own rules of contract? It is all about the reason they give on why an order is canceled. They might not even give you a reason.. but the most used one is "sorry we oversold" |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Poster Bob on Nov 6, 2015 15:33:35 GMT 1, Personally I'd hope the man himself would tell you "Fuck off print monkey."
Personally I'd hope the man himself would tell you "Fuck off print monkey."
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Dr Plip on Nov 6, 2015 15:39:21 GMT 1, Interesting topic.. Guess you are right. As soon as they sent out the Order Confirmation, they closed a contract. A possible ebay resell is no reason to step back from that. Legally, you are right. What does Lazarides say to all that?
Interesting topic.. Guess you are right. As soon as they sent out the Order Confirmation, they closed a contract. A possible ebay resell is no reason to step back from that. Legally, you are right. What does Lazarides say to all that? I can imagine some choice words from Lazarides. |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Dr Plip on Nov 6, 2015 15:42:28 GMT 1, I guess flippers read the forum as there are no Miaz print for sale anymore from other ebayers...
I guess flippers read the forum as there are no Miaz print for sale anymore from other ebayers... Of course they do. This is flip central as far as release details, hype and information goes. The forums make it so much easier for flippers. Even if it's just for them to find out what's hot and what's not. Plus it gives them somewhere to dump unflipped stock. |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Dr Plip on Nov 6, 2015 15:45:27 GMT 1, You donยดt get it, guys. Morally, maybe, Laz might get a point for that - although it is still very suspicious. You cant cancel all sells that go into one specific city, that is visible on ebay. Thatยดs totally suspicious. But they are not above the law. They have to stick with it like all of us do. This is not their decission. ps. most lawyer costs are covered by insurances anyways
I guess it depends on the individual and how much of a whiny chocha they want to be?
You donยดt get it, guys. Morally, maybe, Laz might get a point for that - although it is still very suspicious. You cant cancel all sells that go into one specific city, that is visible on ebay. Thatยดs totally suspicious. But they are not above the law. They have to stick with it like all of us do. This is not their decission. ps. most lawyer costs are covered by insurances anyways I guess it depends on the individual and how much of a whiny chocha they want to be? |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Dr Plip on Nov 6, 2015 15:50:11 GMT 1, Can you imagine a flipper threatening Laz?
'I WANT MY PROFIT!! I DEMAND MY PROFIT!!! SEE YOU IN COURT!!!!'
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'When's the next Harrington print out?'
Can you imagine a flipper threatening Laz?
'I WANT MY PROFIT!! I DEMAND MY PROFIT!!! SEE YOU IN COURT!!!!'
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'When's the next Harrington print out?'
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Sturban Has Saggy Tits on Nov 6, 2015 15:52:18 GMT 1, No, I donยดt. Sadly didnยดt even get one. Ah, so it's just pure coincidence that out of 159 million users on eBay, your first ever post on the forum was a link to the very same eBay account that listed the Miaz Brothers print yesterday?
I do hope that Laz gets to see this and cancels any future orders that you make with them. Flipping this print before you even received it. I think it's bloody great Laz got onto this and would love to see more galleries take the same actions.
No, I donยดt. Sadly didnยดt even get one. Ah, so it's just pure coincidence that out of 159 million users on eBay, your first ever post on the forum was a link to the very same eBay account that listed the Miaz Brothers print yesterday? I do hope that Laz gets to see this and cancels any future orders that you make with them. Flipping this print before you even received it. I think it's bloody great Laz got onto this and would love to see more galleries take the same actions. |
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Dr Plip on Nov 6, 2015 15:53:31 GMT 1, Any innocent victims on here get caught up in Laz's clampdown on flippers? Anyone contacting Laz to plead your case?
Any innocent victims on here get caught up in Laz's clampdown on flippers? Anyone contacting Laz to plead your case?
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Miaz Brothers ๐ฎ๐น Portrait Painters โข Roberto & Renato Miaz, by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:53:35 GMT 1, No, a cancellation is not possible. The E-Mail with the order confirmation makes the purchase contract valid (check Lazarides Terms & Conditions point 3.6 - they say it themselves: ย "3.6 If we accept your order we will confirm our acceptance by sending you a separate confirmation email ("Order Confirmation"). The Contract between us will only be formed when we send you the Order Confirmation." ย ย ), and suspicions of possible eBay resells are no reason at all to cancel the purchase contract by seller side. Friend of mine had the same case with another gallery, they had to pay a compensation and hand him the ordered print.ย I think they will get some legal trouble if the go for that. On the flip side of this (no pun intended) are you not supposed to have an item in hand when selling on eBay? Obviously I understand that eBay rules and regs are not the law, but surely would be dodgy grounds to make a claim against Laz. Anyway, as stated, I'm sure nobody would go down that route over a ยฃ250 print! Great move by Laz IMO - these were clearly priced to offer Miaz Bros fans an affordable alternative to an original, could have been priced much higher if they had wanted, so good to see them sticking by this all the way.
If you look at Lazs Ts&Cs they limit their liability to the purchase value of the artwork. Not sure there is a claim to be made if they break the contract and refund what's been paid.
No, a cancellation is not possible. The E-Mail with the order confirmation makes the purchase contract valid (check Lazarides Terms & Conditions point 3.6 - they say it themselves: ย "3.6 If we accept your order we will confirm our acceptance by sending you a separate confirmation email ("Order Confirmation"). The Contract between us will only be formed when we send you the Order Confirmation." ย ย ), and suspicions of possible eBay resells are no reason at all to cancel the purchase contract by seller side. Friend of mine had the same case with another gallery, they had to pay a compensation and hand him the ordered print.ย I think they will get some legal trouble if the go for that. On the flip side of this (no pun intended) are you not supposed to have an item in hand when selling on eBay? Obviously I understand that eBay rules and regs are not the law, but surely would be dodgy grounds to make a claim against Laz. Anyway, as stated, I'm sure nobody would go down that route over a ยฃ250 print! Great move by Laz IMO - these were clearly priced to offer Miaz Bros fans an affordable alternative to an original, could have been priced much higher if they had wanted, so good to see them sticking by this all the way. If you look at Lazs Ts&Cs they limit their liability to the purchase value of the artwork. Not sure there is a claim to be made if they break the contract and refund what's been paid. |
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