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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 8, 2018 21:37:54 GMT 1, As you can see from this thread, Trump has made it Safe for America to Hate again. I mean look at the discourse here, an art board of Banksy fans. Honestly, read the last 5 pages. We can't even agree on real-time video from yesterday. THIS is the confusion Trump is intentionally creating. Some think it's a good thing. I personally think it's a travesty and an embarrassment. But again, that's his management style and always has been. Chaos. Uncertainty. Division. Misinformation. It works in the Manhattan real-estate game and now the world-stage is getting a taste.
As you can see from this thread, Trump has made it Safe for America to Hate again. I mean look at the discourse here, an art board of Banksy fans. Honestly, read the last 5 pages. We can't even agree on real-time video from yesterday. THIS is the confusion Trump is intentionally creating. Some think it's a good thing. I personally think it's a travesty and an embarrassment. But again, that's his management style and always has been. Chaos. Uncertainty. Division. Misinformation. It works in the Manhattan real-estate game and now the world-stage is getting a taste.
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 8, 2018 21:39:19 GMT 1, ... as another 12 people are senselessly killed last night in Thousand Oaks, CA while line dancing. It's becoming a daily thing. So. Sad.
... as another 12 people are senselessly killed last night in Thousand Oaks, CA while line dancing. It's becoming a daily thing. So. Sad.
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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 8, 2018 21:40:27 GMT 1, Dogs that attack children get put down, same should go for every man and woman that does so whatever race religion Then why did you singe out muslims? Just thinking of something local worse than saying grab the pussy and the most recent event I suppose,
I was reading earlier how the groom leader got slashed from throat to shoulder in prison tuesday
Dogs that attack children get put down, same should go for every man and woman that does so whatever race religion Then why did you singe out muslims? Just thinking of something local worse than saying grab the pussy and the most recent event I suppose, I was reading earlier how the groom leader got slashed from throat to shoulder in prison tuesday
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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 8, 2018 21:42:21 GMT 1, ... as another 12 people are senselessly killed last night in Thousand Oaks, CA while line dancing. It's becoming a daily thing. So. Sad. Americans have been shooting each other for hundreds of years
now its trumps fault ?
... as another 12 people are senselessly killed last night in Thousand Oaks, CA while line dancing. It's becoming a daily thing. So. Sad. Americans have been shooting each other for hundreds of years now its trumps fault ?
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Donald Trump, by Happy Shopper on Nov 8, 2018 21:43:57 GMT 1, ... as another 12 people are senselessly killed last night in Thousand Oaks, CA while line dancing. It's becoming a daily thing. So. Sad. Americans have been shooting each other for hundreds of yearsย now its trumps fault ?
He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it?
... as another 12 people are senselessly killed last night in Thousand Oaks, CA while line dancing. It's becoming a daily thing. So. Sad. Americans have been shooting each other for hundreds of yearsย now its trumps fault ? He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it?
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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 8, 2018 21:50:41 GMT 1, Americans have been shooting each other for hundreds of years now its trumps fault ? He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? As much as Obama did.
Americans have been shooting each other for hundreds of years now its trumps fault ? He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? As much as Obama did.
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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 8, 2018 21:54:25 GMT 1, I think I heard the gunman was an ex us soldier so ptsd will probably be the trigger, don has pleaged a lot of money to ex military for treatment so at least he is going to help that way.
I think I heard the gunman was an ex us soldier so ptsd will probably be the trigger, don has pleaged a lot of money to ex military for treatment so at least he is going to help that way.
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 21:54:35 GMT 1, He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? As much as Obama did. That is both wrong and irrelevant
He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? As much as Obama did. That is both wrong and irrelevant
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 21:54:52 GMT 1, Americans have been shooting each other for hundreds of years now its trumps fault ? He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it?
yeah, course he is
he is selling more guns, so everyone can defend themselves
Americans have been shooting each other for hundreds of years now its trumps fault ? He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? yeah, course he is he is selling more guns, so everyone can defend themselves
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:05:21 GMT 1, Dogs that attack children get put down, same should go for every man and woman that does so whatever race religion Then why did you singe out muslims? Virtue signaling is fun!
Dogs that attack children get put down, same should go for every man and woman that does so whatever race religion Then why did you singe out muslims? Virtue signaling is fun!
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Nov 8, 2018 22:05:30 GMT 1, I think I heard the gunman was an ex us soldier so ptsd will probably be the trigger, don has pleaged a lot of money to ex military for treatment so at least he is going to help that way.
We know the drill. White Man with mental health issues, as opposed to POC who was a terrorist. Trump ain't helping.
I think I heard the gunman was an ex us soldier so ptsd will probably be the trigger, don has pleaged a lot of money to ex military for treatment so at least he is going to help that way. We know the drill. White Man with mental health issues, as opposed to POC who was a terrorist. Trump ain't helping.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:09:40 GMT 1, That is both wrong and irrelevant Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency.
That is both wrong and irrelevant Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency.
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Nov 8, 2018 22:14:22 GMT 1, That is both wrong and irrelevant Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency.ย
I kind of agree although it wasn't for lack of trying. The real travesty in the US is that the people don't do something about it. A civilised society shouldn't be fearful of everyone else. Gun ownership is what causes that fear.
That is both wrong and irrelevant Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency.ย I kind of agree although it wasn't for lack of trying. The real travesty in the US is that the people don't do something about it. A civilised society shouldn't be fearful of everyone else. Gun ownership is what causes that fear.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:24:43 GMT 1, Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. I kind of agree although it wasn't for lack of trying. The real travesty in the US is that the people don't do something about it. A civilised society shouldn't be fearful of everyone else. Gun ownership is what causes that fear. Gun ownership is so deeply ingrained in American culture that it's totally impossible to 'do something about it'. Would you have the FBI go door to door and confiscate each and every one of the supposedly 300 million guns in circulation in the US? Btw, i'm not really pro gun or anything, I just get the historical significance of gun ownership in the US as opposed to the history of Europe.
Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. I kind of agree although it wasn't for lack of trying. The real travesty in the US is that the people don't do something about it. A civilised society shouldn't be fearful of everyone else. Gun ownership is what causes that fear. Gun ownership is so deeply ingrained in American culture that it's totally impossible to 'do something about it'. Would you have the FBI go door to door and confiscate each and every one of the supposedly 300 million guns in circulation in the US? Btw, i'm not really pro gun or anything, I just get the historical significance of gun ownership in the US as opposed to the history of Europe.
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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 8, 2018 22:25:17 GMT 1, Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of prsidency. I kind of agree although it wasn't for lack of trying. The real travesty in the US is that the people don't do something about it. A civilised society shouldn't be fearful of everyone else. Gun ownership is what causes that fear. Americans LOVE guns, didnt they invent them ?American civilians own 393 million guns !
I like when they bring old and odd guns into the gold and silver pawn shop when they call greg down to check it out then they all go up the range and shoot them, looks more fun than shooting .22 pellets here in the uk
Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of prsidency. I kind of agree although it wasn't for lack of trying. The real travesty in the US is that the people don't do something about it. A civilised society shouldn't be fearful of everyone else. Gun ownership is what causes that fear. Americans LOVE guns, didnt they invent them ?American civilians own 393 million guns ! I like when they bring old and odd guns into the gold and silver pawn shop when they call greg down to check it out then they all go up the range and shoot them, looks more fun than shooting .22 pellets here in the uk
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 22:31:54 GMT 1, That is both wrong and irrelevant Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. In addition to advocating for gun control legislation, he signed scores of executive actions and executive orders to try and get something done. Then there's this. So yeah, I'd say Obama did more, whereas Trump has actively worked to make it easier for people like these shooters to get firearms.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1438/reverse-barack-obamas-2016-gun-executive-order/
Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order
"I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast."
Sources: Comments at a rally in Mississippi
Subjects: Government regulation, Guns
Updates
Trump signs resolution to reverse Obama's executive order on gun control
By Jana Heigl on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 at 2:02 p.m.
One of the first regulations President Donald Trump vowed to slash was President Barack Obama's executive order on gun control that was implemented in the final year of his presidency.
Obama's order made it mandatory for the Social Security Administration to release information about mentally ill recipients of Social Security benefits. This information would then be included in background checks, essentially prohibiting people with mental illnesses to buy guns.
The Obama administration estimated this rule would affect about 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue.
Obama's order was opposed by the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union โ two groups that are not usually on the same side. In a statement issued by ACLU, they said the rule "advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent."
Trump signed House Joint Resolution 40, nullifying Obama's rule, on Feb. 28, 2017.
The White House declared in advance that "this application of rule could endanger the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens."
We rate this Promise Kept.
Sources:
The Obama White House, Live Updates: What the President is Doing to Keep Guns Out of the Wrong Hands, Jan. 8, 2016
The Obama White House, FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make our Communities Safer, Jan. 4, 2016
NRA-ILA, A Promise Kept: Trump Signs Repeal of Obama-Era Social Security Gun Prohibition Rule, Mar. 3, 2017
ACLU, Statement, Feb. 1, 2017
White House, H.J. Res. 38, H.J. Res. 36, H.J. Res. 41, H.J. Res. 40, H.J. Res. 37, Statement of Administration Policy, Feb. 1, 2017
U.S. Congress, H.J. Res. 40, accessed on Apr. 18, 2017
CNN, Trump signs bill nixing Obama-era guns rule, Feb. 28, 2017
White House, H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Feb. 28. 2017
Federal Register, Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Dec. 19, 2016
That is both wrong and irrelevant Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. In addition to advocating for gun control legislation, he signed scores of executive actions and executive orders to try and get something done. Then there's this. So yeah, I'd say Obama did more, whereas Trump has actively worked to make it easier for people like these shooters to get firearms. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1438/reverse-barack-obamas-2016-gun-executive-order/Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order "I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast." Sources: Comments at a rally in Mississippi Subjects: Government regulation, Guns Updates Trump signs resolution to reverse Obama's executive order on gun control By Jana Heigl on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 at 2:02 p.m. One of the first regulations President Donald Trump vowed to slash was President Barack Obama's executive order on gun control that was implemented in the final year of his presidency. Obama's order made it mandatory for the Social Security Administration to release information about mentally ill recipients of Social Security benefits. This information would then be included in background checks, essentially prohibiting people with mental illnesses to buy guns. The Obama administration estimated this rule would affect about 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue. Obama's order was opposed by the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union โ two groups that are not usually on the same side. In a statement issued by ACLU, they said the rule "advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent." Trump signed House Joint Resolution 40, nullifying Obama's rule, on Feb. 28, 2017. The White House declared in advance that "this application of rule could endanger the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens." We rate this Promise Kept. Sources: The Obama White House, Live Updates: What the President is Doing to Keep Guns Out of the Wrong Hands, Jan. 8, 2016 The Obama White House, FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make our Communities Safer, Jan. 4, 2016 NRA-ILA, A Promise Kept: Trump Signs Repeal of Obama-Era Social Security Gun Prohibition Rule, Mar. 3, 2017 ACLU, Statement, Feb. 1, 2017 White House, H.J. Res. 38, H.J. Res. 36, H.J. Res. 41, H.J. Res. 40, H.J. Res. 37, Statement of Administration Policy, Feb. 1, 2017 U.S. Congress, H.J. Res. 40, accessed on Apr. 18, 2017 CNN, Trump signs bill nixing Obama-era guns rule, Feb. 28, 2017 White House, H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Feb. 28. 2017 Federal Register, Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Dec. 19, 2016
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Donald Trump, by Pysgod on Nov 8, 2018 22:33:00 GMT 1, Americans LOVE guns, didnt they invent them ?American civilians own 393 million guns ! Guns have been around since the 12th century, you fool.
lol well i dont know the history of the gun thats why i put a question mark
Americans LOVE guns, didnt they invent them ?American civilians own 393 million guns ! Guns have been around since the 12th century, you fool.
lol well i dont know the history of the gun thats why i put a question mark
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:35:27 GMT 1, Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. In addition to advocating for gun control legislation, he signed scores of executive actions and executive orders to try and get something done. Then there's this. So yeah, I'd say Obama did more, whereas Trump has actively worked to make it easier for people like these shooters to get firearms. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1438/reverse-barack-obamas-2016-gun-executive-order/Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order "I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast." Sources: Comments at a rally in Mississippi Subjects: Government regulation, Guns Updates Trump signs resolution to reverse Obama's executive order on gun control By Jana Heigl on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 at 2:02 p.m. One of the first regulations President Donald Trump vowed to slash was President Barack Obama's executive order on gun control that was implemented in the final year of his presidency. Obama's order made it mandatory for the Social Security Administration to release information about mentally ill recipients of Social Security benefits. This information would then be included in background checks, essentially prohibiting people with mental illnesses to buy guns. The Obama administration estimated this rule would affect about 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue. Obama's order was opposed by the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union โ two groups that are not usually on the same side. In a statement issued by ACLU, they said the rule "advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent." Trump signed House Joint Resolution 40, nullifying Obama's rule, on Feb. 28, 2017. The White House declared in advance that "this application of rule could endanger the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens." We rate this Promise Kept. Sources: The Obama White House, Live Updates: What the President is Doing to Keep Guns Out of the Wrong Hands, Jan. 8, 2016 The Obama White House, FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make our Communities Safer, Jan. 4, 2016 NRA-ILA, A Promise Kept: Trump Signs Repeal of Obama-Era Social Security Gun Prohibition Rule, Mar. 3, 2017 ACLU, Statement, Feb. 1, 2017 White House, H.J. Res. 38, H.J. Res. 36, H.J. Res. 41, H.J. Res. 40, H.J. Res. 37, Statement of Administration Policy, Feb. 1, 2017 U.S. Congress, H.J. Res. 40, accessed on Apr. 18, 2017 CNN, Trump signs bill nixing Obama-era guns rule, Feb. 28, 2017 White House, H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Feb. 28. 2017 Federal Register, Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Dec. 19, 2016 www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595
Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. In addition to advocating for gun control legislation, he signed scores of executive actions and executive orders to try and get something done. Then there's this. So yeah, I'd say Obama did more, whereas Trump has actively worked to make it easier for people like these shooters to get firearms. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1438/reverse-barack-obamas-2016-gun-executive-order/Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order "I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast." Sources: Comments at a rally in Mississippi Subjects: Government regulation, Guns Updates Trump signs resolution to reverse Obama's executive order on gun control By Jana Heigl on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 at 2:02 p.m. One of the first regulations President Donald Trump vowed to slash was President Barack Obama's executive order on gun control that was implemented in the final year of his presidency. Obama's order made it mandatory for the Social Security Administration to release information about mentally ill recipients of Social Security benefits. This information would then be included in background checks, essentially prohibiting people with mental illnesses to buy guns. The Obama administration estimated this rule would affect about 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue. Obama's order was opposed by the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union โ two groups that are not usually on the same side. In a statement issued by ACLU, they said the rule "advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent." Trump signed House Joint Resolution 40, nullifying Obama's rule, on Feb. 28, 2017. The White House declared in advance that "this application of rule could endanger the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens." We rate this Promise Kept. Sources: The Obama White House, Live Updates: What the President is Doing to Keep Guns Out of the Wrong Hands, Jan. 8, 2016 The Obama White House, FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make our Communities Safer, Jan. 4, 2016 NRA-ILA, A Promise Kept: Trump Signs Repeal of Obama-Era Social Security Gun Prohibition Rule, Mar. 3, 2017 ACLU, Statement, Feb. 1, 2017 White House, H.J. Res. 38, H.J. Res. 36, H.J. Res. 41, H.J. Res. 40, H.J. Res. 37, Statement of Administration Policy, Feb. 1, 2017 U.S. Congress, H.J. Res. 40, accessed on Apr. 18, 2017 CNN, Trump signs bill nixing Obama-era guns rule, Feb. 28, 2017 White House, H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Feb. 28. 2017 Federal Register, Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Dec. 19, 2016 www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 8, 2018 22:39:54 GMT 1, That is both wrong and irrelevant Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. Once again, the die-hard Trump supporter from the Netherlands (WTF?) is dead ass wrong. Why you are so enamored with Trump is beyond me but you need to stop with the lies and intentional misinformation.
That is both wrong and irrelevant Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. Once again, the die-hard Trump supporter from the Netherlands (WTF?) is dead ass wrong. Why you are so enamored with Trump is beyond me but you need to stop with the lies and intentional misinformation.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:40:58 GMT 1, Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. Once again, the die-hard Trump supporter from the Netherlands (WTF?) is dead ass wrong. Why you are so enamored with Trump is beyond me but you need to stop with the lies and intentional misinformation. Click on the last link I've posted and tell me what's factually wrong with the story there please?
Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. Once again, the die-hard Trump supporter from the Netherlands (WTF?) is dead ass wrong. Why you are so enamored with Trump is beyond me but you need to stop with the lies and intentional misinformation. Click on the last link I've posted and tell me what's factually wrong with the story there please?
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 22:41:07 GMT 1, In addition to advocating for gun control legislation, he signed scores of executive actions and executive orders to try and get something done. Then there's this. So yeah, I'd say Obama did more, whereas Trump has actively worked to make it easier for people like these shooters to get firearms. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1438/reverse-barack-obamas-2016-gun-executive-order/Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order "I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast." Sources: Comments at a rally in Mississippi Subjects: Government regulation, Guns Updates Trump signs resolution to reverse Obama's executive order on gun control By Jana Heigl on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 at 2:02 p.m. One of the first regulations President Donald Trump vowed to slash was President Barack Obama's executive order on gun control that was implemented in the final year of his presidency. Obama's order made it mandatory for the Social Security Administration to release information about mentally ill recipients of Social Security benefits. This information would then be included in background checks, essentially prohibiting people with mental illnesses to buy guns. The Obama administration estimated this rule would affect about 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue. Obama's order was opposed by the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union โ two groups that are not usually on the same side. In a statement issued by ACLU, they said the rule "advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent." Trump signed House Joint Resolution 40, nullifying Obama's rule, on Feb. 28, 2017. The White House declared in advance that "this application of rule could endanger the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens." We rate this Promise Kept. Sources: The Obama White House, Live Updates: What the President is Doing to Keep Guns Out of the Wrong Hands, Jan. 8, 2016 The Obama White House, FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make our Communities Safer, Jan. 4, 2016 NRA-ILA, A Promise Kept: Trump Signs Repeal of Obama-Era Social Security Gun Prohibition Rule, Mar. 3, 2017 ACLU, Statement, Feb. 1, 2017 White House, H.J. Res. 38, H.J. Res. 36, H.J. Res. 41, H.J. Res. 40, H.J. Res. 37, Statement of Administration Policy, Feb. 1, 2017 U.S. Congress, H.J. Res. 40, accessed on Apr. 18, 2017 CNN, Trump signs bill nixing Obama-era guns rule, Feb. 28, 2017 White House, H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Feb. 28. 2017 Federal Register, Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Dec. 19, 2016 www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595 If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has.
In addition to advocating for gun control legislation, he signed scores of executive actions and executive orders to try and get something done. Then there's this. So yeah, I'd say Obama did more, whereas Trump has actively worked to make it easier for people like these shooters to get firearms. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1438/reverse-barack-obamas-2016-gun-executive-order/Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order "I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast." Sources: Comments at a rally in Mississippi Subjects: Government regulation, Guns Updates Trump signs resolution to reverse Obama's executive order on gun control By Jana Heigl on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 at 2:02 p.m. One of the first regulations President Donald Trump vowed to slash was President Barack Obama's executive order on gun control that was implemented in the final year of his presidency. Obama's order made it mandatory for the Social Security Administration to release information about mentally ill recipients of Social Security benefits. This information would then be included in background checks, essentially prohibiting people with mental illnesses to buy guns. The Obama administration estimated this rule would affect about 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue. Obama's order was opposed by the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union โ two groups that are not usually on the same side. In a statement issued by ACLU, they said the rule "advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent." Trump signed House Joint Resolution 40, nullifying Obama's rule, on Feb. 28, 2017. The White House declared in advance that "this application of rule could endanger the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens." We rate this Promise Kept. Sources: The Obama White House, Live Updates: What the President is Doing to Keep Guns Out of the Wrong Hands, Jan. 8, 2016 The Obama White House, FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make our Communities Safer, Jan. 4, 2016 NRA-ILA, A Promise Kept: Trump Signs Repeal of Obama-Era Social Security Gun Prohibition Rule, Mar. 3, 2017 ACLU, Statement, Feb. 1, 2017 White House, H.J. Res. 38, H.J. Res. 36, H.J. Res. 41, H.J. Res. 40, H.J. Res. 37, Statement of Administration Policy, Feb. 1, 2017 U.S. Congress, H.J. Res. 40, accessed on Apr. 18, 2017 CNN, Trump signs bill nixing Obama-era guns rule, Feb. 28, 2017 White House, H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Feb. 28. 2017 Federal Register, Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Dec. 19, 2016 www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has.
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 8, 2018 22:45:48 GMT 1, It says exactly what happened... Obama tried to push through number of gun control bills (specific to assault rifles) and basically NONE of them were pushed through to the Senate by the GOP controlled House. Obama can't legislate without the help of the House to push the bills through to Senate and the GOP-controlled House did a great job of blocking everything & anything from Obama. That's how it works in the US.
It says exactly what happened... Obama tried to push through number of gun control bills (specific to assault rifles) and basically NONE of them were pushed through to the Senate by the GOP controlled House. Obama can't legislate without the help of the House to push the bills through to Senate and the GOP-controlled House did a great job of blocking everything & anything from Obama. That's how it works in the US.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:46:47 GMT 1, If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has. But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.'
Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber.
If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has. But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber.
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 22:50:30 GMT 1, If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has. But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber. You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't):
He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? As much as Obama did.
If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has. But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber. You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? As much as Obama did.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:56:42 GMT 1, But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber. You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'.
So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control.
But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber. You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control.
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 23:10:52 GMT 1, You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control. Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable.
Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions.
Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama.
You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control. Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 23:25:44 GMT 1, Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control. Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama. It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either.
Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers.
Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control. Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama. It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers.
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 23:37:45 GMT 1, Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama. It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty.
Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama. It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 23:56:34 GMT 1, It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty. Why would you assume a republican would advocate for gun control in the first place?
Also, what would you DO for gun control? Given that there are 300 million+ weapons in the US. You are now named President qest. What do you do to stop gun violence? I'm seriously curious, even despite your hateful rhetoric. Would you confiscate certain guns? All guns? How would that work in practice?
It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty. Why would you assume a republican would advocate for gun control in the first place? Also, what would you DO for gun control? Given that there are 300 million+ weapons in the US. You are now named President qest. What do you do to stop gun violence? I'm seriously curious, even despite your hateful rhetoric. Would you confiscate certain guns? All guns? How would that work in practice?
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