bigv
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Advice on what/who to collect, by bigv on Mar 6, 2016 8:42:11 GMT 1, I've been seeing some threads talking about collecting mistakes, mainly regarding who to collect and invest in what advice to give new collectors evaluating what they like for the first time, from both a visual interest and investment point if view. So that said, as a new collector and enjoyed of art, who should I be looking at buying that has, or is looking like they have staying power, given that they may not be visually interesting to me?
For example, Banksy obviously seems like someone who will stand the test of time, and who's images I like (I just don't have $5k+ for one). But some (not all) of the other artists I like, like Olly Moss, Cryptik, John Doe, Eelus (still don't own one), Saber, Whatson, shepard Faireu, Kunstrasen, etc. don't necessarily seem like they have that level of collectability.
I know art is personal and as such, what I like may not be what someone else likes, but it would be nice to collect something I like and that might appreciate in value down the road. Does that make sense or am I crazy?
I've been seeing some threads talking about collecting mistakes, mainly regarding who to collect and invest in what advice to give new collectors evaluating what they like for the first time, from both a visual interest and investment point if view. So that said, as a new collector and enjoyed of art, who should I be looking at buying that has, or is looking like they have staying power, given that they may not be visually interesting to me?
For example, Banksy obviously seems like someone who will stand the test of time, and who's images I like (I just don't have $5k+ for one). But some (not all) of the other artists I like, like Olly Moss, Cryptik, John Doe, Eelus (still don't own one), Saber, Whatson, shepard Faireu, Kunstrasen, etc. don't necessarily seem like they have that level of collectability.
I know art is personal and as such, what I like may not be what someone else likes, but it would be nice to collect something I like and that might appreciate in value down the road. Does that make sense or am I crazy?
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pokodogo
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Advice on what/who to collect, by pokodogo on Mar 6, 2016 8:45:42 GMT 1, I put it all down to personal choice, go for what u want on your walls.
If we all knew what was going to happen long term then from a financial point of view we'd all snap up art we knew was going to appreciate in value.
If you look at some artists who's prices peaked and have now crashed back down (Micaleff / Neate) then even though their work is great doesn't mean the value will just rocket!
Cheers
I put it all down to personal choice, go for what u want on your walls.
If we all knew what was going to happen long term then from a financial point of view we'd all snap up art we knew was going to appreciate in value.
If you look at some artists who's prices peaked and have now crashed back down (Micaleff / Neate) then even though their work is great doesn't mean the value will just rocket!
Cheers
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Advice on what/who to collect, by pingoo on Mar 6, 2016 10:06:33 GMT 1, If any name is given in this thread, it will be just hype.
And if you want an advice, don't trust the hype, only your guts.
If any name is given in this thread, it will be just hype.
And if you want an advice, don't trust the hype, only your guts.
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natstan
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Advice on what/who to collect, by natstan on Mar 6, 2016 10:59:43 GMT 1, Imo i think urban art may not be the best segment in the art market for maximising and safeguarding your investment potential. The real deal would be the contemporary art segment but it's a vast ocean out there and prices of the safer bets are not cheap. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be a 'cap limit' to what urban art prints can fetch - short of banksy's or kaws. By urban artists, I mean most of those names you frequently see mentioned and traded on this forum.
Imo i think urban art may not be the best segment in the art market for maximising and safeguarding your investment potential. The real deal would be the contemporary art segment but it's a vast ocean out there and prices of the safer bets are not cheap. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be a 'cap limit' to what urban art prints can fetch - short of banksy's or kaws. By urban artists, I mean most of those names you frequently see mentioned and traded on this forum.
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loartve
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Advice on what/who to collect, by loartve on Mar 6, 2016 11:14:53 GMT 1, If you collect with one eye on value (which a lot of collectors do) I would look to buy works by artists who are already established and have a good secondary market (good representation and a strong CV with museum shows etc). This inevitably means buying editions (unless you have a significant budget) by mid-career or blue chip artists (very few so-called urban artists fall into the category) but you can do this with a reasonably low budget (although you're still looking at four figure purchases rather than three).
Anything by most other artists, esp all those you suggest (perhaps with the exception of Banksy and maybe Fairey) is pretty high risk and if you're buying like this you should focus on what you like and forget the investment aspect and if it appreciates in value then happy days! It is my personal opinion that if you hold their works for a long period of time you will most likely have a sunk cost rather than an investment. I'm sure many on here will disagree with this and argue otherwise and you'll get loads of differing opinions...
If you collect with one eye on value (which a lot of collectors do) I would look to buy works by artists who are already established and have a good secondary market (good representation and a strong CV with museum shows etc). This inevitably means buying editions (unless you have a significant budget) by mid-career or blue chip artists (very few so-called urban artists fall into the category) but you can do this with a reasonably low budget (although you're still looking at four figure purchases rather than three).
Anything by most other artists, esp all those you suggest (perhaps with the exception of Banksy and maybe Fairey) is pretty high risk and if you're buying like this you should focus on what you like and forget the investment aspect and if it appreciates in value then happy days! It is my personal opinion that if you hold their works for a long period of time you will most likely have a sunk cost rather than an investment. I'm sure many on here will disagree with this and argue otherwise and you'll get loads of differing opinions...
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Advice on what/who to collect, by rbk on Mar 6, 2016 12:03:18 GMT 1, if you cannot spend 5K on a piece then not sure you should really be talking about art as an investment. (please don't take that the wrong way as it is a sizeable amount of cash).
At lower amounts you can buy at release and flip if you really want to make money. otherwise some you will buy will go up in the short term and some will go down.
So in my view with that sort of money other than using it as a flipping stake I would be very careful on looking at it as a good art investment stake as you may or may not make an overall profit
but you can buy some great art that you like and enjoy which hopefully will bring you a lot of pleasure regardless of how much it al increases or decreases in value
if you cannot spend 5K on a piece then not sure you should really be talking about art as an investment. (please don't take that the wrong way as it is a sizeable amount of cash).
At lower amounts you can buy at release and flip if you really want to make money. otherwise some you will buy will go up in the short term and some will go down.
So in my view with that sort of money other than using it as a flipping stake I would be very careful on looking at it as a good art investment stake as you may or may not make an overall profit
but you can buy some great art that you like and enjoy which hopefully will bring you a lot of pleasure regardless of how much it al increases or decreases in value
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Aza
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Advice on what/who to collect, by Aza on Mar 6, 2016 12:12:16 GMT 1, Buy what you like and put it on the wall.
Buy what you can afford.
You never know, something you buy cheap now, may one day be worth a bit more.
Buy what you like and put it on the wall.
Buy what you can afford.
You never know, something you buy cheap now, may one day be worth a bit more.
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Advice on what/who to collect, by Icesay on Mar 6, 2016 12:15:11 GMT 1, Don't think that's an approach for this forum. Like collecting anything you should buy what you like, do your research, talk to artists. Follow who you like on instagram and twitter and make your own mind up.
Don't think that's an approach for this forum. Like collecting anything you should buy what you like, do your research, talk to artists. Follow who you like on instagram and twitter and make your own mind up.
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bigv
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Advice on what/who to collect, by bigv on Mar 6, 2016 14:31:37 GMT 1, You're asking for investment advice on an art forum, from people you don't know? Bambi, JJ Adams and Pegasus are my picks for 2016
No, not looking for random investment advice. Just interested in being pushed/guided towards better artists whose abilities will likely stand the test of time. I understand there's no way of knowing for sure, but just after reading several threads it seems like there's strong opinions on whose good and who isn't, based on strength of image, whose reinterpreting previous work in new ways and who's just a copying hack, etc.
Naturally, I would love to just go with my gut and by whatever looks great to me, but that's what the raiders did with J'marcus Russell (an American football reference foe those across the pond). He was the shiniest pebble in the draft and ended up being just a polished turd. It's not that I'm not interested in art history, or art from a passion perspective, I am, and believe I'll be collecting for the next 50+ years of my life, I just need/want a primer so I hopefully skip some of the bumps and bruises along the way, hopefully with thus forums help.
You're asking for investment advice on an art forum, from people you don't know? Bambi, JJ Adams and Pegasus are my picks for 2016 No, not looking for random investment advice. Just interested in being pushed/guided towards better artists whose abilities will likely stand the test of time. I understand there's no way of knowing for sure, but just after reading several threads it seems like there's strong opinions on whose good and who isn't, based on strength of image, whose reinterpreting previous work in new ways and who's just a copying hack, etc. Naturally, I would love to just go with my gut and by whatever looks great to me, but that's what the raiders did with J'marcus Russell (an American football reference foe those across the pond). He was the shiniest pebble in the draft and ended up being just a polished turd. It's not that I'm not interested in art history, or art from a passion perspective, I am, and believe I'll be collecting for the next 50+ years of my life, I just need/want a primer so I hopefully skip some of the bumps and bruises along the way, hopefully with thus forums help. |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by bigv on Mar 6, 2016 14:38:02 GMT 1, if you cannot spend 5K on a piece then not sure you should really be talking about art as an investment. (please don't take that the wrong way as it is a sizeable amount of cash). At lower amounts you can buy at release and flip if you really want to make money. otherwise some you will buy will go up in the short term and some will go down. So in my view with that sort of money other than using it as a flipping stake I would be very careful on looking at it as a good art investment stake as you may or may not make an overall profit but you can buy some great art that you like and enjoy which hopefully will bring you a lot of pleasure regardless of how much it al increases or decreases in value
I don't disagree with this at all. And I look to the secondary market to help inform my opinion of who might be that next shining star, I was just a little late to the game, and am little young (late twenties) to have the cash to get in on some artists early on. Hence why I'm here now. I think my true solution is buy the highest quality pieces I can that truly move and interest me, hope for the best, and have the pleasure of looking at them on my walls for the rest of my life.
if you cannot spend 5K on a piece then not sure you should really be talking about art as an investment. (please don't take that the wrong way as it is a sizeable amount of cash). At lower amounts you can buy at release and flip if you really want to make money. otherwise some you will buy will go up in the short term and some will go down. So in my view with that sort of money other than using it as a flipping stake I would be very careful on looking at it as a good art investment stake as you may or may not make an overall profit but you can buy some great art that you like and enjoy which hopefully will bring you a lot of pleasure regardless of how much it al increases or decreases in value I don't disagree with this at all. And I look to the secondary market to help inform my opinion of who might be that next shining star, I was just a little late to the game, and am little young (late twenties) to have the cash to get in on some artists early on. Hence why I'm here now. I think my true solution is buy the highest quality pieces I can that truly move and interest me, hope for the best, and have the pleasure of looking at them on my walls for the rest of my life. |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by dotdot on Mar 6, 2016 14:39:40 GMT 1, look at it another way.
find an artist whose work you like.
find out if they have some kind of history which makes sense (don't start with the connor brothers)
find out if they were doing work say 5 years ago... does today's work stack up for you.. ?
still interested - have the money to buy a work ? go ahead.
there are many who will stand the test - they may not "make you money long term" - but..
and that but is quite a big one... if you like / love the work.. what's the problem.
art is bought with... disposable income, right - if your art become disposable.. well - hey...
keep your head and your tshirt - and if you're lucky - your sense of humour !
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look at it another way.
find an artist whose work you like.
find out if they have some kind of history which makes sense (don't start with the connor brothers)
find out if they were doing work say 5 years ago... does today's work stack up for you.. ?
still interested - have the money to buy a work ? go ahead.
there are many who will stand the test - they may not "make you money long term" - but..
and that but is quite a big one... if you like / love the work.. what's the problem.
art is bought with... disposable income, right - if your art become disposable.. well - hey...
keep your head and your tshirt - and if you're lucky - your sense of humour !
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bigv
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Advice on what/who to collect, by bigv on Mar 6, 2016 14:41:43 GMT 1, Imo i think urban art may not be the best segment in the art market for maximising and safeguarding your investment potential. The real deal would be the contemporary art segment but it's a vast ocean out there and prices of the safer bets are not cheap. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be a 'cap limit' to what urban art prints can fetch - short of banksy's or kaws. By urban artists, I mean most of those names you frequently see mentioned and traded on this forum.
I don't disagree with this, and there's also significantly more opportunity in originals than prints, but originals can be very hard to come by. Would you put Damien Hirst in the contemporary category? A lot of his stuff seems weird and odd, but his pharmacy series (dots) was spectacular.
Imo i think urban art may not be the best segment in the art market for maximising and safeguarding your investment potential. The real deal would be the contemporary art segment but it's a vast ocean out there and prices of the safer bets are not cheap. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be a 'cap limit' to what urban art prints can fetch - short of banksy's or kaws. By urban artists, I mean most of those names you frequently see mentioned and traded on this forum. I don't disagree with this, and there's also significantly more opportunity in originals than prints, but originals can be very hard to come by. Would you put Damien Hirst in the contemporary category? A lot of his stuff seems weird and odd, but his pharmacy series (dots) was spectacular. |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by onetwothree on Mar 6, 2016 14:43:14 GMT 1, On prints. Go for massive/large format only. Originals size not so important
On prints. Go for massive/large format only. Originals size not so important
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bigv
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Advice on what/who to collect, by bigv on Mar 6, 2016 15:04:43 GMT 1, I could probably give you advice on what not to buy - a lot easier:)
I'll take bait. What shouldn't I buy
I could probably give you advice on what not to buy - a lot easier:) I'll take bait. What shouldn't I buy |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by chads007 on Mar 6, 2016 15:13:11 GMT 1, If you can't afford an original, always try go for a hand finished print, they'll be unique with direct artist touch without the full outlay of an original.
If you can't afford an original, always try go for a hand finished print, they'll be unique with direct artist touch without the full outlay of an original.
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Advice on what/who to collect, by Daniel Silk on Mar 6, 2016 15:13:39 GMT 1, Buy Art that you like  never buy what your told, or what seems to be popular as it can be a false view of reality.
If your thinking of investment, then buying what you and your family like is best in the long run, as the general population might think the same as you, meaning the Art will always be in demand. And at the end of the day even if it drops in value, you still have something you love and enjoy displayed on your wall
Buy Art that you like never buy what your told, or what seems to be popular as it can be a false view of reality. If your thinking of investment, then buying what you and your family like is best in the long run, as the general population might think the same as you, meaning the Art will always be in demand. And at the end of the day even if it drops in value, you still have something you love and enjoy displayed on your wall |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by chrisell66 on Mar 6, 2016 15:24:39 GMT 1, If its about investment I've a red hot tip for the 3.30 at Kempton Park - probably more reliable than buying art as an investment.
If you can afford Warhol - Liechtenstein - Klee then you're probably safe as an investment - otherwise but stuff that makes your life happier.
Otherwise buy what you can afford - in context my first purchases cost around the same as a night on the p*ss or a weeks cigarettes (although the way they keep getting taxed it'll be 20 B&H or a Banksy before long) - okay today my tastes are a bit richer but if I didn't spend it on art I'd only buy some other tat.
If its about investment I've a red hot tip for the 3.30 at Kempton Park - probably more reliable than buying art as an investment.
If you can afford Warhol - Liechtenstein - Klee then you're probably safe as an investment - otherwise but stuff that makes your life happier.
Otherwise buy what you can afford - in context my first purchases cost around the same as a night on the p*ss or a weeks cigarettes (although the way they keep getting taxed it'll be 20 B&H or a Banksy before long) - okay today my tastes are a bit richer but if I didn't spend it on art I'd only buy some other tat.
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Advice on what/who to collect, by Street Art Fan on Mar 6, 2016 15:43:27 GMT 1, A few thoughts...
First, to amplify @ling 's advice from above, I would be a little leery seeking collecting advice on an art forum from people you don't really know. Although most members are ethical, honest, and straight-shooting, like anywhere else a less-than-honorable few have secret agendas and promote certain artists solely out of personal financial interest.
That said, I would simply recommend reading broadly (Juxtapoz, Vandalog, Hyperallergic, StreetArtNews, Brooklyn Street Art, Arrested Motion, anything by Peter Bengtsen and met ) and taking risks.
A few thoughts... First, to amplify @ling 's advice from above, I would be a little leery seeking collecting advice on an art forum from people you don't really know. Although most members are ethical, honest, and straight-shooting, like anywhere else a less-than-honorable few have secret agendas and promote certain artists solely out of personal financial interest. That said, I would simply recommend reading broadly ( Juxtapoz, Vandalog, Hyperallergic, StreetArtNews, Brooklyn Street Art, Arrested Motion, anything by Peter Bengtsen and met ) and taking risks. |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by chichi carter on Mar 6, 2016 16:24:34 GMT 1, I don't disagree with this at all. And I look to the secondary market to help inform my opinion of who might be that next shining star, I was just a little late to the game, and am little young (late twenties) to have the cash to get in on some artists early on. Hence why I'm here now. I think my true solution is buy the highest quality pieces I can that truly move and interest me, hope for the best, and have the pleasure of looking at them on my walls for the rest of my life.
I don't disagree with this at all. And I look to the secondary market to help inform my opinion of who might be that next shining star, I was just a little late to the game, and am little young (late twenties) to have the cash to get in on some artists early on. Hence why I'm here now. I think my true solution is buy the highest quality pieces I can that truly move and interest me, hope for the best, and have the pleasure of looking at them on my walls for the rest of my life. Not to say that you won't have the pleasure of looking at them on your walls for the rest of your life but... Tastes evolve and what you're into now might not be what you're into in a couple of years. I'm not saying that will apply to you but it certainly has been the case for me. So my advice to you would be don't rush it. If you miss out, there's always going to be another release. Don't believe the hype. Question yourself whether you like a piece of art because it speaks to you or because a lot of people are speaking about it and the seamingly high demand for works by that artist is what's driving your desire to make that purchase. Buy what you can afford, you can always find something you like that matches the size of your wallet. And as far as investment is concerned, art collecting is very speculative and there are no garantees. You'll win some and you'll lose some but hopefully it all evens out in the end. |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by globalplanb on Mar 6, 2016 17:35:21 GMT 1, Always buy what you like and would enjoy having on your walls as these pictures may be around for some time. Buying art purely as an investment is not entirely realistic at a beginners level as its so easy to get it wrong. Following trends and listening to hype is all part of the markets dynamic...no one can truly predict the long term future! Try to do some basic homework on the art YOU like. Find out as much as you can about the artists and the different shows or exhibitions these artist are or have been in (if any) keep an eye on their primary release prices and lookout for any secondary market prices for the same work (passed and present).This will give you a rough indication as to the artists popularity and collectability but it will not tell you about the artists future. It's all alittle hit or miss. The true value of art is in what it means to you and any future increase in its value is a bonus,love it for what it is not what you hope it will become.
Always buy what you like and would enjoy having on your walls as these pictures may be around for some time. Buying art purely as an investment is not entirely realistic at a beginners level as its so easy to get it wrong. Following trends and listening to hype is all part of the markets dynamic...no one can truly predict the long term future! Try to do some basic homework on the art YOU like. Find out as much as you can about the artists and the different shows or exhibitions these artist are or have been in (if any) keep an eye on their primary release prices and lookout for any secondary market prices for the same work (passed and present).This will give you a rough indication as to the artists popularity and collectability but it will not tell you about the artists future. It's all alittle hit or miss. The true value of art is in what it means to you and any future increase in its value is a bonus,love it for what it is not what you hope it will become.
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Advice on what/who to collect, by ABC on Mar 7, 2016 11:51:55 GMT 1, An artists future/career is totally unpredictable, so as stated above buy what you like (this way it is impossible to go wrong). When some of us old timers on here purchased Banksy stuff at ยฃ25 no one could honestly say it would be worth 10k a decade down the line.
What makes that sort of expansion in popularity in my opinion is normally down to chance/luck (celebrity/a-list purchase for instance) that can turn a career on its head and propel the popularity.
Even if (as mentioned) you invest in "blue chip" artist there are no guarantees. From experience I can give an example. I close friend purchased two Damien Hirst prints from the same release a few years back, Each were 3k. Today one is valued at 8-10k, the other, the same as what he paid (3k). They both have spots, just one seems more popular.
What I would say is, visit as many galleries as you can, read books, blogs, walk the streets and soak up the scene.
For me Instagram is a great source to start for sure. Most important is, enjoy and don't get sucked into the hype.
An artists future/career is totally unpredictable, so as stated above buy what you like (this way it is impossible to go wrong). When some of us old timers on here purchased Banksy stuff at ยฃ25 no one could honestly say it would be worth 10k a decade down the line.
What makes that sort of expansion in popularity in my opinion is normally down to chance/luck (celebrity/a-list purchase for instance) that can turn a career on its head and propel the popularity.
Even if (as mentioned) you invest in "blue chip" artist there are no guarantees. From experience I can give an example. I close friend purchased two Damien Hirst prints from the same release a few years back, Each were 3k. Today one is valued at 8-10k, the other, the same as what he paid (3k). They both have spots, just one seems more popular.
What I would say is, visit as many galleries as you can, read books, blogs, walk the streets and soak up the scene.
For me Instagram is a great source to start for sure. Most important is, enjoy and don't get sucked into the hype.
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Advice on what/who to collect, by nds on Mar 7, 2016 11:53:23 GMT 1,
As many people have already pointed out that you should just buy what feels right for you. A painting, a drawing, a print were a part of you becomes absorbed into the image every time you sit and admire it's craft and it's ability to evoke an emotion.
I started collecting 8-9 years ago with the intention to purchase and sell at a higher price. However It did not take long until I became sucked into this world and since I have never sold a piece. Unfortunately I have far to much stored away, it's a constant addiction between buying more pieces and paying for the price of framing.
Unfortunately price and investment does become a contributing factor however it does not have to suppress your desire for the paradox of (i use the term lightly) art perfection. Money is what we understand, art is not due to its personal qualities. The amount of times I have had to state how much my collection is worth to those that are clueless on the topic, in search for common ground of understanding may be considered shameful (even in reflection of myself). However there are those that do understand the same feelings *looks to other forum members*. I think the quote above sums it up perfectly- 'love it for what it is not what you hope it will become.'
As many people have already pointed out that you should just buy what feels right for you. A painting, a drawing, a print were a part of you becomes absorbed into the image every time you sit and admire it's craft and it's ability to evoke an emotion.
I started collecting 8-9 years ago with the intention to purchase and sell at a higher price. However It did not take long until I became sucked into this world and since I have never sold a piece. Unfortunately I have far to much stored away, it's a constant addiction between buying more pieces and paying for the price of framing.
Unfortunately price and investment does become a contributing factor however it does not have to suppress your desire for the paradox of (i use the term lightly) art perfection. Money is what we understand, art is not due to its personal qualities. The amount of times I have had to state how much my collection is worth to those that are clueless on the topic, in search for common ground of understanding may be considered shameful (even in reflection of myself). However there are those that do understand the same feelings *looks to other forum members*. I think the quote above sums it up perfectly- 'love it for what it is not what you hope it will become.'
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Advice on what/who to collect, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 12:21:06 GMT 1, It all depends on your motivation.
Buying and selling art in order to make money in the short term.
Buyng art as long term investment.
Or buying art because you like it and don't care if it goes up or down in value.
Short term profit, just pump and dump.
Long term investment, do your own research and don't pay gallery prices but rather look for contemporary art in smaller salerooms that is undervalued.
Buying because you like it, don't care about what your dinner party set or mates down the pub thinks of your collection.
If you are motivated in reality by making money from buying selling art then don't limit yourself to so called mythical "urban" art.
"Urban" is just a label promoted by galleries dealers etc to prmote art and prints made by professional muralists graphic designers who have jumped on the street bandwagon.
It all depends on your motivation.
Buying and selling art in order to make money in the short term.
Buyng art as long term investment.
Or buying art because you like it and don't care if it goes up or down in value.
Short term profit, just pump and dump.
Long term investment, do your own research and don't pay gallery prices but rather look for contemporary art in smaller salerooms that is undervalued.
Buying because you like it, don't care about what your dinner party set or mates down the pub thinks of your collection.
If you are motivated in reality by making money from buying selling art then don't limit yourself to so called mythical "urban" art.
"Urban" is just a label promoted by galleries dealers etc to prmote art and prints made by professional muralists graphic designers who have jumped on the street bandwagon.
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avec art
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Advice on what/who to collect, by avec art on Mar 7, 2016 12:39:38 GMT 1, Perhaps 'urban art' is called this, as way to try to define art that represents experiences in and of the urban environment. In contrast to the plethora of rural and pastoral art. An art form generally more accessible and less elitist than high end contemporary art.
Perhaps 'urban art' is called this, as way to try to define art that represents experiences in and of the urban environment. In contrast to the plethora of rural and pastoral art. An art form generally more accessible and less elitist than high end contemporary art.
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Advice on what/who to collect, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 12:59:46 GMT 1, Perhaps 'urban art' is called this, as way to try to define art that represents experiences in and of the urban environment. In contrast to the plethora of rural and pastoral art. An art form generally more accessible and less elitist than high end contemporary art.
VIP mailing lists , very unelitist indeed.
Hiring a big hydraulic lift and re copying pretty pictures on to sanctioned walls is decoration.
Freehand graffiti is underrated in my view.
Cy Twombly with a spray can.
Perhaps 'urban art' is called this, as way to try to define art that represents experiences in and of the urban environment. In contrast to the plethora of rural and pastoral art. An art form generally more accessible and less elitist than high end contemporary art. VIP mailing lists , very unelitist indeed. Hiring a big hydraulic lift and re copying pretty pictures on to sanctioned walls is decoration. Freehand graffiti is underrated in my view. Cy Twombly with a spray can. |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by avec art on Mar 7, 2016 13:09:47 GMT 1, I'm not really taking a position on the ins and outs of what constitutes 'real' urban art etc. But I just think there's no harm in having a category for it, rather than lumping it in under other pre existing labels created in previous centuries
I'm not really taking a position on the ins and outs of what constitutes 'real' urban art etc. But I just think there's no harm in having a category for it, rather than lumping it in under other pre existing labels created in previous centuries
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Advice on what/who to collect, by Ponyboy Curtis on Mar 7, 2016 13:19:20 GMT 1, Stuff by dead guys normally do well due to the current lack of new material. Haring, Dali, Picasso etc to name a few...
Otherwise you're pissing in the wind IMO. Many gets hyped to hell and everyone jumps on board, prices rise and then some one says..."It ain't all that" and sells and the rest of the market follows.
Don't buy art to make money unless you don't need the money is my advice.
Stuff by dead guys normally do well due to the current lack of new material. Haring, Dali, Picasso etc to name a few...
Otherwise you're pissing in the wind IMO. Many gets hyped to hell and everyone jumps on board, prices rise and then some one says..."It ain't all that" and sells and the rest of the market follows.
Don't buy art to make money unless you don't need the money is my advice.
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Advice on what/who to collect, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 13:28:09 GMT 1, Don't buy art to make money unless you don't need the money is my advice.
Some would disagree 
Don't buy art to make money unless you don't need the money is my advice. Some would disagree |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by nds on Mar 7, 2016 16:03:36 GMT 1, Don't buy art to make money unless you don't need the money is my advice. Some would disagree
Or *quotes burce Lee* you must be shapeless, formless, like art. When you pour art in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour art in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Become like art my friend*
therefore become the artist, try your hand at performance art *as Bruce suggests* Milo Moire has this down to a T, just avoid those eggs.
Don't buy art to make money unless you don't need the money is my advice. Some would disagree Or *quotes burce Lee* you must be shapeless, formless, like art. When you pour art in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour art in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Become like art my friend* therefore become the artist, try your hand at performance art *as Bruce suggests* Milo Moire has this down to a T, just avoid those eggs. |
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Advice on what/who to collect, by chrisell66 on Mar 7, 2016 16:27:06 GMT 1, Or *quotes burce Lee* you must be shapeless, formless, like art. When you pour art in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour art in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Become like art my friend* therefore become the artist, try your hand at performance art *as Bruce suggests* Milo Moire has this down to a T, just avoid those eggs.
If there are three things the world does not need Performance Art comes in just behind Performance Poets and marginally in front of Jazz.
As the genius that was Tony Wilson once said Jazz is the last refuge of the untalented. Jazz musicians enjoy themselves more than anyone listening to them does - and you substitute any art form that uses the word Performance in place of Jazz and it makes even more sense
Or *quotes burce Lee* you must be shapeless, formless, like art. When you pour art in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour art in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Become like art my friend* therefore become the artist, try your hand at performance art *as Bruce suggests* Milo Moire has this down to a T, just avoid those eggs. If there are three things the world does not need Performance Art comes in just behind Performance Poets and marginally in front of Jazz. As the genius that was Tony Wilson once said Jazz is the last refuge of the untalented. Jazz musicians enjoy themselves more than anyone listening to them does - and you substitute any art form that uses the word Performance in place of Jazz and it makes even more sense |
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