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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Dibbs 45 on Apr 11, 2016 5:53:01 GMT 1, I went and bought a set today. They were rolled lengthwise and put in filthy tubes with no kraft nor glacine paper. The guy who sold the prints as someone mentioned didn't seem to give a s**t about what he was doing and they didn't ask for my name or give a receipt.
I went and bought a set today. They were rolled lengthwise and put in filthy tubes with no kraft nor glacine paper. The guy who sold the prints as someone mentioned didn't seem to give a s**t about what he was doing and they didn't ask for my name or give a receipt. I was told to send a photo of your purchases to the gallery and they would send a receipt, though this did seem like a spur of the moment thing. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Lroy on Apr 11, 2016 7:31:18 GMT 1, I went and bought a set today. They were rolled lengthwise and put in filthy tubes with no kraft nor glacine paper. The guy who sold the prints as someone mentioned didn't seem to give a s**t about what he was doing and they didn't ask for my name or give a receipt. I was told to send a photo of your purchases to the gallery and they would send a receipt, though this did seem like a spur of the moment thing.
ah Dibbs you are the guardian of our dreams ... Unic. Thx
I went and bought a set today. They were rolled lengthwise and put in filthy tubes with no kraft nor glacine paper. The guy who sold the prints as someone mentioned didn't seem to give a s**t about what he was doing and they didn't ask for my name or give a receipt. I was told to send a photo of your purchases to the gallery and they would send a receipt, though this did seem like a spur of the moment thing. ah Dibbs you are the guardian of our dreams ... Unic. Thx |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by eschiff on Apr 11, 2016 8:23:09 GMT 1, I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them.
They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck.
Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions.
I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one.
That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation.
I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them.
They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck.
Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions.
I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one.
That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation.
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Harveyn on Apr 11, 2016 9:04:54 GMT 1, I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. That's an interesting point and not without merit. I would also be very disappointed if people queued to buy a print and then did not even spend time looking at the show, but it does not surprise me.
What I would say is if they had no interest in the print and handled them as implied then they would have been better off not selling them at all.
I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. That's an interesting point and not without merit. I would also be very disappointed if people queued to buy a print and then did not even spend time looking at the show, but it does not surprise me.
What I would say is if they had no interest in the print and handled them as implied then they would have been better off not selling them at all.
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Art Fan 2011 on Apr 11, 2016 9:15:36 GMT 1, Sounds like the gallery in question have not ran this at all well - let`s face it the star of the show is Paul Insect. Each and every one of those print buyers is a customer, whether they spend £200 or £20,000 they are still a customer.
A buyer of a print may well go on to buy a canvas or many other items from the gallery in the future if there buying experience is a good one - by the sounds of it, it was not!
The poor packing of prints is unacceptable and just makes them looks like amateurs and like they just do not care, id imagine that Paul would not be best pleased if he knew how his work was being presented on his behalf. Also the ability to only take cash, were in 2016 not 1916, for a show held in one of the most modern cities on earth this is ridiculous!
Ive never heard of Allouche but judging by the artists they work with they seem to be a reasonable large and respectable set-up, so cannot understand why they would do something so simple, so badly! Also, why not release some prints for fans not in London (yes, life outside of he M25 does exist). I am guessing they will be a bit happier over the next few days as now all the prints have gone, so have the queues of people wanting to spend money with them!
Would be great if others can share any more pics they have of the show for those of us that could not make it, and interested to know if many of the canvases were sold.
Sounds like the gallery in question have not ran this at all well - let`s face it the star of the show is Paul Insect. Each and every one of those print buyers is a customer, whether they spend £200 or £20,000 they are still a customer.
A buyer of a print may well go on to buy a canvas or many other items from the gallery in the future if there buying experience is a good one - by the sounds of it, it was not!
The poor packing of prints is unacceptable and just makes them looks like amateurs and like they just do not care, id imagine that Paul would not be best pleased if he knew how his work was being presented on his behalf. Also the ability to only take cash, were in 2016 not 1916, for a show held in one of the most modern cities on earth this is ridiculous!
Ive never heard of Allouche but judging by the artists they work with they seem to be a reasonable large and respectable set-up, so cannot understand why they would do something so simple, so badly! Also, why not release some prints for fans not in London (yes, life outside of he M25 does exist). I am guessing they will be a bit happier over the next few days as now all the prints have gone, so have the queues of people wanting to spend money with them!
Would be great if others can share any more pics they have of the show for those of us that could not make it, and interested to know if many of the canvases were sold.
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Art Fan 2011 on Apr 11, 2016 9:18:18 GMT 1, Agree with H, if you don`t have interest in all of the artists work (prints & canvas) then only show/offer what you wish. "Cheapish" print`s drive footfall and create a buzz about a show, so don`t then moan when the footfall arrives wanting to spend there hard earned cash with you!
Agree with H, if you don`t have interest in all of the artists work (prints & canvas) then only show/offer what you wish. "Cheapish" print`s drive footfall and create a buzz about a show, so don`t then moan when the footfall arrives wanting to spend there hard earned cash with you!
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by rgc on Apr 11, 2016 9:19:00 GMT 1, Sounds like the gallery in question have not ran this at all well - let`s face it the star of the show is Paul Insect. Each and every one of those print buyers is a customer, whether they spend £200 or £20,000 they are still a customer. A buyer of a print may well go on to buy a canvas or many other items from the gallery in the future if there buying experience is a good one - by the sounds of it, it was not! The poor packing of prints is unacceptable and just makes them looks like amateurs and like they just do not care, id imagine that Paul would not be best pleased if he knew how his work was being presented on his behalf. Also the ability to only take cash, were in 2016 not 1916, for a show held in one of the most modern cities on earth this is ridiculous! Ive never heard of Allouche but judging by the artists they work with they seem to be a reasonable large and respectable set-up, so cannot understand why they would do something so simple, so badly! Also, why not release some prints for fans not in London (yes, life outside of he M25 does exist). I am guessing they will be a bit happier over the next few days as now all the prints have gone, so have the queues of people wanting to spend money with them! Would be great if others can share any more pics they have of the show for those of us that could not make it, and interested to know if many of the canvases were sold.
Life exists outside the M25?? Who knew....!!!
Sounds like the gallery in question have not ran this at all well - let`s face it the star of the show is Paul Insect. Each and every one of those print buyers is a customer, whether they spend £200 or £20,000 they are still a customer. A buyer of a print may well go on to buy a canvas or many other items from the gallery in the future if there buying experience is a good one - by the sounds of it, it was not! The poor packing of prints is unacceptable and just makes them looks like amateurs and like they just do not care, id imagine that Paul would not be best pleased if he knew how his work was being presented on his behalf. Also the ability to only take cash, were in 2016 not 1916, for a show held in one of the most modern cities on earth this is ridiculous! Ive never heard of Allouche but judging by the artists they work with they seem to be a reasonable large and respectable set-up, so cannot understand why they would do something so simple, so badly! Also, why not release some prints for fans not in London (yes, life outside of he M25 does exist). I am guessing they will be a bit happier over the next few days as now all the prints have gone, so have the queues of people wanting to spend money with them! Would be great if others can share any more pics they have of the show for those of us that could not make it, and interested to know if many of the canvases were sold. Life exists outside the M25?? Who knew....!!! |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by eschiff on Apr 11, 2016 9:20:54 GMT 1, I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. That's an interesting point and not without merit. I would also be very disappointed if people queued to buy a print and then did not even spend time looking at the show, but it does not surprise me.
What I would say is if they had no interest in the print and handled them as implied then they would have been better off not selling them at all.
I liken it to going to a nice restaurant and ordering only appetizers. Sure, you're a customer, but are you going to get the best service? Probably not.
As for the canvasses, most of the ones around 5/6k had sold, the larger ones (including the back room) were about half sold.
I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. That's an interesting point and not without merit. I would also be very disappointed if people queued to buy a print and then did not even spend time looking at the show, but it does not surprise me.
What I would say is if they had no interest in the print and handled them as implied then they would have been better off not selling them at all.
Yeah, I agree, would've been better for them to not have it as they would've avoided this sniping (not that they're aware of it perhaps). I liken it to going to a nice restaurant and ordering only appetizers. Sure, you're a customer, but are you going to get the best service? Probably not. As for the canvasses, most of the ones around 5/6k had sold, the larger ones (including the back room) were about half sold. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 9:21:17 GMT 1, I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation.
It strikes me as quite astonishing arrogance towards their customers that the gallery thinks they should be acting in a certain way and perusing the show for a certain length of time. £300 while not £30k is not a trivial amount. It could buy you a nice mini break to the Med or perhaps a Michelin stared dinner for two. If you buy a new car and go for a bottom of the range model rather than the new turbo v8, would you expect to be treated like crap and not even get a receipt? On this basis alone, I'm glad that this gallery haven't had any of my hard earned cash.
I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. It strikes me as quite astonishing arrogance towards their customers that the gallery thinks they should be acting in a certain way and perusing the show for a certain length of time. £300 while not £30k is not a trivial amount. It could buy you a nice mini break to the Med or perhaps a Michelin stared dinner for two. If you buy a new car and go for a bottom of the range model rather than the new turbo v8, would you expect to be treated like crap and not even get a receipt? On this basis alone, I'm glad that this gallery haven't had any of my hard earned cash. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Art Fan 2011 on Apr 11, 2016 9:23:55 GMT 1, Well said letiss - infact you have given me an idea, as ive not made the show, perhaps I will treat myself to a "Med mini break" with the £300 ive saved not going to by a potentially tatty bit of paper  - adiós amigo
Well said letiss - infact you have given me an idea, as ive not made the show, perhaps I will treat myself to a "Med mini break" with the £300 ive saved not going to by a potentially tatty bit of paper - adiós amigo |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by eschiff on Apr 11, 2016 9:27:00 GMT 1, I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. It strikes me as quite astonishing arrogance towards their customers that the gallery thinks they should be acting in a certain way and perusing the show for a certain length of time. £300 while not £30k is not a trivial amount. It could buy you a nice mini break to the Med or perhaps a Michelin stared dinner for two. If you buy a new car and go for a bottom of the range model rather than the new turbo v8, would you expect to be treated like crap and not even get a receipt? On this basis alone, I'm glad that this gallery haven't had any of my hard earned cash.
I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. It strikes me as quite astonishing arrogance towards their customers that the gallery thinks they should be acting in a certain way and perusing the show for a certain length of time. £300 while not £30k is not a trivial amount. It could buy you a nice mini break to the Med or perhaps a Michelin stared dinner for two. If you buy a new car and go for a bottom of the range model rather than the new turbo v8, would you expect to be treated like crap and not even get a receipt? On this basis alone, I'm glad that this gallery haven't had any of my hard earned cash. Any discussion about money depends on your circumstance so talking about 300 vs 30k really exists in your personal vacuum. Art is a business, the gallery is a business and in order to justify putting on this show, and hopefully many others, they've decided to not focus on people who were there to make a quick buck (of course framed owners of the prints excluded) and instead on those who would lead them to the quickest path of break even. Nothing wrong with that. I can't really understand your bitterness considering you weren't there. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 9:31:06 GMT 1, It strikes me as quite astonishing arrogance towards their customers that the gallery thinks they should be acting in a certain way and perusing the show for a certain length of time. £300 while not £30k is not a trivial amount. It could buy you a nice mini break to the Med or perhaps a Michelin stared dinner for two. If you buy a new car and go for a bottom of the range model rather than the new turbo v8, would you expect to be treated like crap and not even get a receipt? On this basis alone, I'm glad that this gallery haven't had any of my hard earned cash. Any discussion about money depends on your circumstance so talking about 300 vs 30k really exists in your personal vacuum. Art is a business, the gallery is a business and in order to justify putting on this show, and hopefully many others, they've decided to not focus on people who were there to make a quick buck (of course framed owners of the prints excluded) and instead on those who would lead them to the quickest path of break even. Nothing wrong with that. I can't really understand your bitterness considering you weren't there.
You don't have to be there it's all in this thread. I just think as consumers, which we are, people should really expect higher standards. And when those standards aren't reached they should be challenged
It strikes me as quite astonishing arrogance towards their customers that the gallery thinks they should be acting in a certain way and perusing the show for a certain length of time. £300 while not £30k is not a trivial amount. It could buy you a nice mini break to the Med or perhaps a Michelin stared dinner for two. If you buy a new car and go for a bottom of the range model rather than the new turbo v8, would you expect to be treated like crap and not even get a receipt? On this basis alone, I'm glad that this gallery haven't had any of my hard earned cash. Any discussion about money depends on your circumstance so talking about 300 vs 30k really exists in your personal vacuum. Art is a business, the gallery is a business and in order to justify putting on this show, and hopefully many others, they've decided to not focus on people who were there to make a quick buck (of course framed owners of the prints excluded) and instead on those who would lead them to the quickest path of break even. Nothing wrong with that. I can't really understand your bitterness considering you weren't there. You don't have to be there it's all in this thread. I just think as consumers, which we are, people should really expect higher standards. And when those standards aren't reached they should be challenged |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Art Fan 2011 on Apr 11, 2016 9:40:19 GMT 1, They would be very short sighted to judge people on what they spend at any one show on any one day. Who`s to say the guy who buys a print does`nt come back the next day and splash 20K on a canvas - one things for sure though, if he is`nt treated well he will splash his cash elsewhere never to return to an Allouche show again!
They would be very short sighted to judge people on what they spend at any one show on any one day. Who`s to say the guy who buys a print does`nt come back the next day and splash 20K on a canvas - one things for sure though, if he is`nt treated well he will splash his cash elsewhere never to return to an Allouche show again!
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by twist65 on Apr 11, 2016 10:03:59 GMT 1, Doesn't sound like Allouche have done a lot wrong here to me, apart from put on one of the shows of the year, and release 4 prints in 1 day which weren't all snapped up by VIPs days beforehand (I am sure they have a decent sized mailing list and NY collector base who would have been happy to buy these). Everyone who wanted a print seemed to get one, and I haven't seen anyone say they had a damaged print either...
If anyone is going today and could pick me up a standard ed Meteor Nights I would be grateful to you forever, please PM me X
Doesn't sound like Allouche have done a lot wrong here to me, apart from put on one of the shows of the year, and release 4 prints in 1 day which weren't all snapped up by VIPs days beforehand (I am sure they have a decent sized mailing list and NY collector base who would have been happy to buy these). Everyone who wanted a print seemed to get one, and I haven't seen anyone say they had a damaged print either...
If anyone is going today and could pick me up a standard ed Meteor Nights I would be grateful to you forever, please PM me X
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 10:14:21 GMT 1, I think its terrible how people were forced to buy stuff, i hear some had their arms broken in the twisting.
Meanwhile the Yulin dogmeat festival is on.
I think its terrible how people were forced to buy stuff, i hear some had their arms broken in the twisting.
Meanwhile the Yulin dogmeat festival is on.
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Dungle on Apr 11, 2016 10:33:12 GMT 1, What was really annoying was that I went along at 11 am to view the show as per their advertised opening hours.
Instead of which I had to queue for over an hour in the cold with a baby. By the time I got in my baby was pretty bored so we had to leave pretty much straight away.
Apparently we couldn't go in at 11 because security wasn't there. That's pretty weak.
What was really annoying was that I went along at 11 am to view the show as per their advertised opening hours.
Instead of which I had to queue for over an hour in the cold with a baby. By the time I got in my baby was pretty bored so we had to leave pretty much straight away.
Apparently we couldn't go in at 11 because security wasn't there. That's pretty weak.
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by pippyt75 on Apr 11, 2016 10:37:05 GMT 1, Yes the prints weren't in paper which is a schoolboy error but mine aren't damaged and flattening out fine. Personally I found the guys running it perfectly friendly once the queues were gone and you took the time to chat. They were a bit too cool for school but then they are from Brooklyn! I had a very interesting chat with them about the New York scene.
Yes the prints weren't in paper which is a schoolboy error but mine aren't damaged and flattening out fine. Personally I found the guys running it perfectly friendly once the queues were gone and you took the time to chat. They were a bit too cool for school but then they are from Brooklyn! I had a very interesting chat with them about the New York scene.
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by doyle on Apr 11, 2016 10:54:58 GMT 1, To be fair to Allouche gallery, they were more than happy to discuss different ways of taking payment with us lot at the front of the queue early on when they realised their system was down. they apologised for the long wait to open up, which was due to security and trying to solve the payment issue before opening. I asked about receipt on Saturday and they said to email them and I received my email receipt from New York office on Sunday. If there was one thing I would have done would be 1 print per person, get name/bank details and address then pick up/post at end of show.
To be fair to Allouche gallery, they were more than happy to discuss different ways of taking payment with us lot at the front of the queue early on when they realised their system was down. they apologised for the long wait to open up, which was due to security and trying to solve the payment issue before opening. I asked about receipt on Saturday and they said to email them and I received my email receipt from New York office on Sunday. If there was one thing I would have done would be 1 print per person, get name/bank details and address then pick up/post at end of show.
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by kendo on Apr 11, 2016 11:06:52 GMT 1, Ah, they actually do reply to emails then!!?
Ah, they actually do reply to emails then!!?
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by BKBOI on Apr 11, 2016 11:36:40 GMT 1, Ive never heard of Allouche but judging by the artists they work with they seem to be a reasonable large and respectable set-up, so cannot understand why they would do something so simple, so badly!
Eric Allouche/Allouche Gallery was part of the Opera Network of Galleries until he went solo. Things can go wrong when you have a show away from your gallery and it is not easy to fix especially when you are operating in a foreign land.
As with payment options for prints, I remember when Lazarides and Andipa had pop up shows here in NYC, they were only taking cash payments so whatever happened is not uncommon.
Ive never heard of Allouche but judging by the artists they work with they seem to be a reasonable large and respectable set-up, so cannot understand why they would do something so simple, so badly! Eric Allouche/Allouche Gallery was part of the Opera Network of Galleries until he went solo. Things can go wrong when you have a show away from your gallery and it is not easy to fix especially when you are operating in a foreign land. As with payment options for prints, I remember when Lazarides and Andipa had pop up shows here in NYC, they were only taking cash payments so whatever happened is not uncommon. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Art Fan 2011 on Apr 11, 2016 11:53:49 GMT 1, Ah, they actually do reply to emails then!!?
Ah, they actually do reply to emails then!!? No reply for me either! |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by The Origin on Apr 11, 2016 12:36:00 GMT 1, Does anyone know if there are prints left?
Does anyone know if there are prints left?
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Agent Provocateur on Apr 11, 2016 12:38:29 GMT 1, ... one of the showcards signed by the man himself ... ... I believe that these are screenprinted, as there was a slip of paper inbetween each showcard when they were giving them out? ... 
.dappy don't want to come across all negative and that, buuut… just because they had slips of paper in-between them doesn't mean they were screen printed, I've got stuff off-set litho printed and they were supplied with bits of paper in-between (maybe something to do with the wetness off the ink when the pre-cut sheets are piled up for guillotining?). They're good quality tho.
... one of the showcards signed by the man himself ... ... I believe that these are screenprinted, as there was a slip of paper inbetween each showcard when they were giving them out? ... don't want to come across all negative and that, buuut… just because they had slips of paper in-between them doesn't mean they were screen printed, I've got stuff off-set litho printed and they were supplied with bits of paper in-between (maybe something to do with the wetness off the ink when the pre-cut sheets are piled up for guillotining?). They're good quality tho. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by pollz66 on Apr 11, 2016 12:45:05 GMT 1, I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. That's an interesting point and not without merit. I would also be very disappointed if people queued to buy a print and then did not even spend time looking at the show, but it does not surprise me.
What I would say is if they had no interest in the print and handled them as implied then they would have been better off not selling them at all.
Artists and galleries underestimate the value of the print market - and customers - at their peril. You only have look at the revenue Kaws now generates from a drop.
On another note, this forum used to be full images from shows and I'm not talking about reproducing price list images but actual shots of hung work in the gallery It seems no-one bothers these days for whatever reason which is a huge shame and makes the forum feel very disconnected.
I think the frustrations some of you had with the prints reflects the interest Paul and the gallery have towards them. They both expressed frustration to me that many in the queue on Saturday came in, bought the prints and left without seeing the show, insinuating that those folks are most likely looking to make a quick buck. Also, imagine you're Allouche gallery. I'm guessing that space could cost 30k to rent for the week, plus all the other costs revolving around logistics etc. And to get your money back and make a profit, you need to sell canvasses. Not only are they a higher value but allow you to start building a collector base which you can target for future exhibitions. I wouldn't be upset if you feel some slight from the gallery towards your print purchase, perhaps the realisation that prints are most important on this forum, and not to Paul, the gallery, or most of the art world is an important one. That may not be a justification for their attitude but I think a valid explanation. That's an interesting point and not without merit. I would also be very disappointed if people queued to buy a print and then did not even spend time looking at the show, but it does not surprise me.
What I would say is if they had no interest in the print and handled them as implied then they would have been better off not selling them at all.
Artists and galleries underestimate the value of the print market - and customers - at their peril. You only have look at the revenue Kaws now generates from a drop. On another note, this forum used to be full images from shows and I'm not talking about reproducing price list images but actual shots of hung work in the gallery It seems no-one bothers these days for whatever reason which is a huge shame and makes the forum feel very disconnected. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by eschiff on Apr 11, 2016 12:46:11 GMT 1, I'm also interested .dappy in the psychology of asking a man for his autograph. It's something we perhaps all did as kids when we saw our heroes, whether they be sports stars, musicians or whatever, but it's curious to me to go up to another man and ask him to sign a piece of paper.
Do you display these? Does it feel like it's a piece of his art that you own? Do you do this with other people you admire in your life? I know many people on here feel like an opening/art event has been a success if they get the artist to sign something, I just never understood the reasoning behind it. A signature on a print/canvas is demonstrating that an artist created, or I suppose at least authorized, and stands behind their work. An autograph feels very different to that.
I'm also interested .dappy in the psychology of asking a man for his autograph. It's something we perhaps all did as kids when we saw our heroes, whether they be sports stars, musicians or whatever, but it's curious to me to go up to another man and ask him to sign a piece of paper. Do you display these? Does it feel like it's a piece of his art that you own? Do you do this with other people you admire in your life? I know many people on here feel like an opening/art event has been a success if they get the artist to sign something, I just never understood the reasoning behind it. A signature on a print/canvas is demonstrating that an artist created, or I suppose at least authorized, and stands behind their work. An autograph feels very different to that. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by twist65 on Apr 11, 2016 13:13:09 GMT 1, That's an interesting point and not without merit. I would also be very disappointed if people queued to buy a print and then did not even spend time looking at the show, but it does not surprise me.
What I would say is if they had no interest in the print and handled them as implied then they would have been better off not selling them at all.
Artists and galleries underestimate the value of the print market - and customers - at their peril. You only have look at the revenue Kaws now generates from a drop. On another note, this forum used to be full images from shows and I'm not talking about reproducing price list images but actual shots of hung work in the gallery It seems no-one bothers these days for whatever reason which is a huge shame and makes the forum feel very disconnected.
That's an interesting point and not without merit. I would also be very disappointed if people queued to buy a print and then did not even spend time looking at the show, but it does not surprise me.
What I would say is if they had no interest in the print and handled them as implied then they would have been better off not selling them at all.
Artists and galleries underestimate the value of the print market - and customers - at their peril. You only have look at the revenue Kaws now generates from a drop. On another note, this forum used to be full images from shows and I'm not talking about reproducing price list images but actual shots of hung work in the gallery It seems no-one bothers these days for whatever reason which is a huge shame and makes the forum feel very disconnected. Have you actually read this thread? There are at least 3 or 4 sets of quality images from the gallery posted by forum members, either on the thread or links to sets hosted elsewhere.. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by onetwothree on Apr 11, 2016 13:28:21 GMT 1, Sounds like the gallery in question have not ran this at all well - let`s face it the star of the show is Paul Insect. Each and every one of those print buyers is a customer, whether they spend £200 or £20,000 they are still a customer. A buyer of a print may well go on to buy a canvas or many other items from the gallery in the future if there buying experience is a good one - by the sounds of it, it was not! The poor packing of prints is unacceptable and just makes them looks like amateurs and like they just do not care, id imagine that Paul would not be best pleased if he knew how his work was being presented on his behalf. Also the ability to only take cash, were in 2016 not 1916, for a show held in one of the most modern cities on earth this is ridiculous! Ive never heard of Allouche but judging by the artists they work with they seem to be a reasonable large and respectable set-up, so cannot understand why they would do something so simple, so badly! Also, why not release some prints for fans not in London (yes, life outside of he M25 does exist). I am guessing they will be a bit happier over the next few days as now all the prints have gone, so have the queues of people wanting to spend money with them! Would be great if others can share any more pics they have of the show for those of us that could not make it, and interested to know if many of the canvases were sold. Life exists outside the M25?? Who knew....!!!
To be fair it's not that difficult to travel into London, and that's where the money is. Why would a Brooklyn gallery go anywhere else, obvious they're gonna go to Shoreditch.
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Show all seemed awesome to me. And well run. Wasn't expecing to get a print, and I did so they were doing something right. L
I think the cash thing just made it easier for them. They prob need to exchange it back to dollars for example, so can do it in one go and search for the best rate, rather than being charged for every single transaction, stuff like that. Who cares. And they didn't charge for packaging so the tube was fine. Mine didn't get damaged and was out all day.
People always something to moan about on here, when it could easily be more positive a lot of the time!
Sounds like the gallery in question have not ran this at all well - let`s face it the star of the show is Paul Insect. Each and every one of those print buyers is a customer, whether they spend £200 or £20,000 they are still a customer. A buyer of a print may well go on to buy a canvas or many other items from the gallery in the future if there buying experience is a good one - by the sounds of it, it was not! The poor packing of prints is unacceptable and just makes them looks like amateurs and like they just do not care, id imagine that Paul would not be best pleased if he knew how his work was being presented on his behalf. Also the ability to only take cash, were in 2016 not 1916, for a show held in one of the most modern cities on earth this is ridiculous! Ive never heard of Allouche but judging by the artists they work with they seem to be a reasonable large and respectable set-up, so cannot understand why they would do something so simple, so badly! Also, why not release some prints for fans not in London (yes, life outside of he M25 does exist). I am guessing they will be a bit happier over the next few days as now all the prints have gone, so have the queues of people wanting to spend money with them! Would be great if others can share any more pics they have of the show for those of us that could not make it, and interested to know if many of the canvases were sold. Life exists outside the M25?? Who knew....!!! To be fair it's not that difficult to travel into London, and that's where the money is. Why would a Brooklyn gallery go anywhere else, obvious they're gonna go to Shoreditch. . Show all seemed awesome to me. And well run. Wasn't expecing to get a print, and I did so they were doing something right. L I think the cash thing just made it easier for them. They prob need to exchange it back to dollars for example, so can do it in one go and search for the best rate, rather than being charged for every single transaction, stuff like that. Who cares. And they didn't charge for packaging so the tube was fine. Mine didn't get damaged and was out all day. People always something to moan about on here, when it could easily be more positive a lot of the time! |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by rjf76 on Apr 11, 2016 13:39:47 GMT 1, Well I just enjoyed a leasurely, full private view, of the exhibition ha ha...I was the only one there at 11am and no one else came in the hr I was there!
Absolutely stunning exhibition of work in a fantastic space. Well hung, lit and curated by Allouche...definitely one of the best I've been to in a long time.
Well I just enjoyed a leasurely, full private view, of the exhibition ha ha...I was the only one there at 11am and no one else came in the hr I was there!
Absolutely stunning exhibition of work in a fantastic space. Well hung, lit and curated by Allouche...definitely one of the best I've been to in a long time.
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by Dice on Apr 11, 2016 13:55:40 GMT 1, I'm also interested .dappy in the psychology of asking a man for his autograph. It's something we perhaps all did as kids when we saw our heroes, whether they be sports stars, musicians or whatever, but it's curious to me to go up to another man and ask him to sign a piece of paper. Do you display these? Does it feel like it's a piece of his art that you own? Do you do this with other people you admire in your life? I know many people on here feel like an opening/art event has been a success if they get the artist to sign something, I just never understood the reasoning behind it. A signature on a print/canvas is demonstrating that an artist created, or I suppose at least authorized, and stands behind their work. An autograph feels very different to that.
I find this post quite arrogant.
Fans and artists themselves have always collected signatures/autographs and sketches from artists. Have you not seen the banksy signature in invaders book? Getting flyers signed is no different, just a memento of the show isn't it? I don't see the point of questioning why people do this unless you somehow see yourself as 'above' this type of thing.
I'm also interested .dappy in the psychology of asking a man for his autograph. It's something we perhaps all did as kids when we saw our heroes, whether they be sports stars, musicians or whatever, but it's curious to me to go up to another man and ask him to sign a piece of paper. Do you display these? Does it feel like it's a piece of his art that you own? Do you do this with other people you admire in your life? I know many people on here feel like an opening/art event has been a success if they get the artist to sign something, I just never understood the reasoning behind it. A signature on a print/canvas is demonstrating that an artist created, or I suppose at least authorized, and stands behind their work. An autograph feels very different to that. I find this post quite arrogant. Fans and artists themselves have always collected signatures/autographs and sketches from artists. Have you not seen the banksy signature in invaders book? Getting flyers signed is no different, just a memento of the show isn't it? I don't see the point of questioning why people do this unless you somehow see yourself as 'above' this type of thing. |
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Paul Insect "It's only a Dream" Allouche Gallery, by BKBOI on Apr 11, 2016 13:56:41 GMT 1, Allouche gallery used to be in SOHO and they are now moving to the Meat Packing District in Manhattan. The owner and the gallery director live in Brooklyn.
Allouche gallery used to be in SOHO and they are now moving to the Meat Packing District in Manhattan. The owner and the gallery director live in Brooklyn.
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