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Flower Thrower, by rjf76 on Apr 1, 2016 12:25:52 GMT 1, The whole thread smells fishy to me... A bit like Grimsby docks.
Thought exactly the same.
The whole thread smells fishy to me... A bit like Grimsby docks. Thought exactly the same. |
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Flower Thrower, by nds on Apr 1, 2016 13:42:14 GMT 1, The whole thread smells fishy to me... A bit like Grimsby docks.
well being a Grimsby man whose family are fishermen I can assure you there is no illegal activity in dealing with Banksy prints only Cod.
The whole thread smells fishy to me... A bit like Grimsby docks. well being a Grimsby man whose family are fishermen I can assure you there is no illegal activity in dealing with Banksy prints only Cod. |
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Flower Thrower, by .dappy on Apr 1, 2016 14:20:45 GMT 1, ... I once went to Hull ... now that was a fishing port 
... I once went to Hull ... now that was a fishing port |
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Flower Thrower, by iamzero on Apr 1, 2016 15:06:26 GMT 1, The whole thread smells fishy to me... A bit like Grimsby docks. well being a Grimsby man whose family are fishermen I can assure you there is no illegal activity in dealing with Banksy prints only Cod.
Call Of Duty?
The whole thread smells fishy to me... A bit like Grimsby docks. well being a Grimsby man whose family are fishermen I can assure you there is no illegal activity in dealing with Banksy prints only Cod. Call Of Duty? |
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Flower Thrower, by nds on Apr 1, 2016 18:01:05 GMT 1, well being a Grimsby man whose family are fishermen I can assure you there is no illegal activity in dealing with Banksy prints only Cod. Call Of Duty?
Well, bloody hell.... and there was me thinking they were catching fish for all these years *puzzled look*
I think I can conclude this topic and get us back to the original point. Do not buy Banksy prints, play call of duty and invest in Fish.
Job Done.
well being a Grimsby man whose family are fishermen I can assure you there is no illegal activity in dealing with Banksy prints only Cod. Call Of Duty? Well, bloody hell.... and there was me thinking they were catching fish for all these years *puzzled look* I think I can conclude this topic and get us back to the original point. Do not buy Banksy prints, play call of duty and invest in Fish. Job Done. |
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Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 18:20:27 GMT 1, what does 'TAC' mean
Maybe thats the artist, and he/she does art work like Banksy, with a similar tag? Maybe related to him, like a distant cousin?
what does 'TAC' mean
Maybe thats the artist, and he/she does art work like Banksy, with a similar tag? Maybe related to him, like a distant cousin?
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 5, 2016 15:44:00 GMT 1, Just received a mail that I will get a 100% refund, haven't received the money yet but it's already a good sign. Still sad that that happened but I can't complain at the end!
Just received a mail that I will get a 100% refund, haven't received the money yet but it's already a good sign. Still sad that that happened but I can't complain at the end!
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Flower Thrower, by iamzero on Apr 5, 2016 16:06:58 GMT 1, Can't complain. You nearly got stung with fake Banksy from a galleries illegal activity... That alone would make me complain.
Can't complain. You nearly got stung with fake Banksy from a galleries illegal activity... That alone would make me complain.
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Flower Thrower, by Cornish Crayon on Apr 5, 2016 16:12:15 GMT 1, feels like a fake thread............
feels like a fake thread............
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Flower Thrower, by iamzero on Apr 5, 2016 16:26:06 GMT 1, I agree dude. A bullshit fishing exercise I reckon.
I agree dude. A bullshit fishing exercise I reckon.
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 5, 2016 16:27:38 GMT 1, Can't complain. You nearly got stung with fake Banksy from a galleries illegal activity... That alone would make me complain.
Can't complain. You nearly got stung with fake Banksy from a galleries illegal activity... That alone would make me complain. I know, that's why I say I can't complain cause I get my money back! But believe me, I'll do my best to let everyone know that he sold me a fake Banksy! |
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 5, 2016 16:29:33 GMT 1, feels like a fake thread............ 
feels like a fake thread............ You must be kidding me, do you really think I would spend my time and especially your time on that?! I can show you everything, the order, the money transfer, the auction, the bills, the mail I've just received. I can send it all if you want! It's in dutch so use your google translator |
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 5, 2016 16:30:13 GMT 1, I agree dude. A bulls**t fishing exercise I reckon.
I agree dude. A bulls**t fishing exercise I reckon. Thanks for your trust! |
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 5, 2016 16:41:28 GMT 1, Normally I wouldn't to this to prove myself but I'll make an exception for this one. This is the dashboard from the auction and as you can see I bought 2 "Art" works. So no fishing or fake.. no need to apologize! So the only Bulls**t thing was that reaction!
Normally I wouldn't to this to prove myself but I'll make an exception for this one. This is the dashboard from the auction and as you can see I bought 2 "Art" works. So no fishing or fake.. no need to apologize! So the only Bulls**t thing was that reaction! |
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Flower Thrower, by avec art on Apr 5, 2016 16:45:51 GMT 1, It looks real, with the help of all your advise, I think this guy has dodged a bullet. Well done for calling the purchase into question.
It looks real, with the help of all your advise, I think this guy has dodged a bullet. Well done for calling the purchase into question.
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 5, 2016 16:50:18 GMT 1, It looks real, with the help of all your advise, I think this guy has dodged a bullet. Well done for calling the purchase into question.
Yes and I'm still grateful for all of your help! really! Can't believe I ended up in this mess , like I've said... it came from an art gallery who's doing business for a long time! anyway... thanks again!
It looks real, with the help of all your advise, I think this guy has dodged a bullet. Well done for calling the purchase into question. Yes and I'm still grateful for all of your help! really! Can't believe I ended up in this mess , like I've said... it came from an art gallery who's doing business for a long time! anyway... thanks again! |
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Flower Thrower, by iamzero on Apr 5, 2016 17:45:29 GMT 1, What the gallery did is illegal and needs reporting so while I appreciate if you were genuinely taken in your calmness you really aren't doing any favours in letting this shady cunt off the hook. He's just gonna swizz someone else out of cash.
What the gallery did is illegal and needs reporting so while I appreciate if you were genuinely taken in your calmness you really aren't doing any favours in letting this shady cunt off the hook. He's just gonna swizz someone else out of cash.
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Flower Thrower, by Whitefish on Apr 5, 2016 17:54:18 GMT 1, Sorry to read about your situation. Please keep us updated on whether you got your refund. Do also let PC know about this dealer and what he is selling. Good luck!
Sorry to read about your situation. Please keep us updated on whether you got your refund. Do also let PC know about this dealer and what he is selling. Good luck! |
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 5, 2016 18:59:01 GMT 1, What the gallery did is illegal and needs reporting so while I appreciate if you were genuinely taken in your calmness you really aren't doing any favours in letting this shady c**t off the hook. He's just gonna swizz someone else out of cash.
I did report this to the auctioneer cause he was auctioning art works from his clients art gallery, I did mention that if my works were fake that probably the other ones would be fake as well and that the other buyers should be aware of that. It's difficult if not impossible for me to warn the other buyers cause an auction like that is anonymous. So in my opinion the auctioneer is responsible now cause he got the knowledge of it. There's not much that I can do now, I first want to have my money back before I do something.If I bought it from the guy directly the situation would be different of course and I would sew his ass in court. Really! But now the auctioneer is handling everything correctly.. So it's good that the details from the art gallery are online here so people know that the Banksy he's selling are fake!
Once again : www.artbroker-int.nl
What the gallery did is illegal and needs reporting so while I appreciate if you were genuinely taken in your calmness you really aren't doing any favours in letting this shady c**t off the hook. He's just gonna swizz someone else out of cash. I did report this to the auctioneer cause he was auctioning art works from his clients art gallery, I did mention that if my works were fake that probably the other ones would be fake as well and that the other buyers should be aware of that. It's difficult if not impossible for me to warn the other buyers cause an auction like that is anonymous. So in my opinion the auctioneer is responsible now cause he got the knowledge of it. There's not much that I can do now, I first want to have my money back before I do something.If I bought it from the guy directly the situation would be different of course and I would sew his ass in court. Really! But now the auctioneer is handling everything correctly.. So it's good that the details from the art gallery are online here so people know that the Banksy he's selling are fake! Once again : www.artbroker-int.nl |
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Flower Thrower, by mojo on Apr 5, 2016 20:46:22 GMT 1, So who's paying back the money? The auction house or the gallery?
I would guess the auction house is insured against selling fakes.
This is well dodgy? Insurance money?
You could report the fakes here link to fake art register
So who's paying back the money? The auction house or the gallery? I would guess the auction house is insured against selling fakes. This is well dodgy? Insurance money? You could report the fakes here link to fake art register |
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Flower Thrower, by met on Apr 6, 2016 1:43:45 GMT 1, Normally I wouldn't to this to prove myself but I'll make an exception for this one. This is the dashboard from the auction and as you can see I bought 2 "Art" works. So no fishing or fake.. no need to apologize! So the only Bulls**t thing was that reaction!
In fairness to those who questioned whether you and this thread were genuine, their wariness seemed reasonable to me, at least until the above post by you.
One explanation for these doubts is that you were actually fooled by the works attributed to Banksy on the dealer's website. For many Banksy enthusiasts here, even relative amateurs, those works are patent forgeries.
The fact you were apparently willing to spend thousands of euros on clear fakes was suspicious — because to accept this at face value would mean also having to believe you were completely oblivious about the extent of your own ignorance (i.e. how basic your mistake was). With some members, that whole combination may have been just too implausible.
I'm reminded of lines from a poem by Alexander Pope, the first being "A little learning is a dang'rous thing".
Normally I wouldn't to this to prove myself but I'll make an exception for this one. This is the dashboard from the auction and as you can see I bought 2 "Art" works. So no fishing or fake.. no need to apologize! So the only Bulls**t thing was that reaction! In fairness to those who questioned whether you and this thread were genuine, their wariness seemed reasonable to me, at least until the above post by you. One explanation for these doubts is that you were actually fooled by the works attributed to Banksy on the dealer's website. For many Banksy enthusiasts here, even relative amateurs, those works are patent forgeries. The fact you were apparently willing to spend thousands of euros on clear fakes was suspicious — because to accept this at face value would mean also having to believe you were completely oblivious about the extent of your own ignorance (i.e. how basic your mistake was). With some members, that whole combination may have been just too implausible. I'm reminded of lines from a poem by Alexander Pope, the first being "A little learning is a dang'rous thing". |
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Flower Thrower, by met on Apr 6, 2016 2:36:04 GMT 1, What the gallery did is illegal and needs reporting so while I appreciate if you were genuinely taken in your calmness you really aren't doing any favours in letting this shady c**t off the hook. He's just gonna swizz someone else out of cash. I did report this to the auctioneer cause he was auctioning art works from his clients art gallery, I did mention that if my works were fake that probably the other ones would be fake as well and that the other buyers should be aware of that. It's difficult if not impossible for me to warn the other buyers cause an auction like that is anonymous. So in my opinion the auctioneer is responsible now cause he got the knowledge of it. There's not much that I can do now, I first want to have my money back before I do something.If I bought it from the guy directly the situation would be different of course and I would sew his ass in court. Really! But now the auctioneer is handling everything correctly.. So it's good that the details from the art gallery are online here so people know that the Banksy he's selling are fake! Once again : www.artbroker-int.nl
I wish you good luck in getting your money back.
Once refunded, or in parallel with your efforts to get refunded, there is more you can do.
This looks like attempted fraud — as I believe there was intention to defraud. At the very least, there was recklessness on the part of the dealer and auction house regarding their due diligence responsibilities. And at the time of posting, at least five of the six pieces still on the dealer's "Banksy" page are fakes:
www.artbroker-int.nl/art/name/banksy
Report the parties and your case to the relevant national authorities in The Netherlands. Here's a website that may help:
www.fraudehelpdesk.nl/
What the gallery did is illegal and needs reporting so while I appreciate if you were genuinely taken in your calmness you really aren't doing any favours in letting this shady c**t off the hook. He's just gonna swizz someone else out of cash. I did report this to the auctioneer cause he was auctioning art works from his clients art gallery, I did mention that if my works were fake that probably the other ones would be fake as well and that the other buyers should be aware of that. It's difficult if not impossible for me to warn the other buyers cause an auction like that is anonymous. So in my opinion the auctioneer is responsible now cause he got the knowledge of it. There's not much that I can do now, I first want to have my money back before I do something.If I bought it from the guy directly the situation would be different of course and I would sew his ass in court. Really! But now the auctioneer is handling everything correctly.. So it's good that the details from the art gallery are online here so people know that the Banksy he's selling are fake! Once again : www.artbroker-int.nlI wish you good luck in getting your money back. Once refunded, or in parallel with your efforts to get refunded, there is more you can do. This looks like attempted fraud — as I believe there was intention to defraud. At the very least, there was recklessness on the part of the dealer and auction house regarding their due diligence responsibilities. And at the time of posting, at least five of the six pieces still on the dealer's "Banksy" page are fakes: www.artbroker-int.nl/art/name/banksyReport the parties and your case to the relevant national authorities in The Netherlands. Here's a website that may help: www.fraudehelpdesk.nl/ |
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 6, 2016 7:43:29 GMT 1, So who's paying back the money? The auction house or the gallery? I would guess the auction house is insured against selling fakes. This is well dodgy? Insurance money? You could report the fakes here link to fake art register
The auction house cause they sold it to me. And they were the one who were writing that the Art work would come with an original Certificate of authenticity. I bought several items through the years from the auction house so there was no reason for me to question them. I guess they are insured indeed and if not I don't think they will pay the gallery. To be honest, I don't care where the money comes from as long I have it by the end of the day
So who's paying back the money? The auction house or the gallery? I would guess the auction house is insured against selling fakes. This is well dodgy? Insurance money? You could report the fakes here link to fake art registerThe auction house cause they sold it to me. And they were the one who were writing that the Art work would come with an original Certificate of authenticity. I bought several items through the years from the auction house so there was no reason for me to question them. I guess they are insured indeed and if not I don't think they will pay the gallery. To be honest, I don't care where the money comes from as long I have it by the end of the day |
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Flower Thrower, by Peter Bengtsen on Apr 6, 2016 7:58:48 GMT 1, So who's paying back the money? The auction house or the gallery? I would guess the auction house is insured against selling fakes. This is well dodgy? Insurance money? You could report the fakes here link to fake art registerThe auction house cause they sold it to me. And they were the one who were writing that the Art work would come with an original Certificate of authenticity. I bought several items through the years from the auction house so there was no reason for me to question them. I guess they are insured indeed and if not I don't think they will pay the gallery. To be honest, I don't care where the money comes from as long I have it by the end of the day
Are you more knowledgeable about the other items you have purchased over the years than the fake Banksy? In other words, how sure are you that your other purchases are what the auction house claimed?
In addition to the fake Banksy, I would suggest that you might want to worry about your previous purchases as well. If the auction house has sold this fake Banksy a) knowingly or b) without assuring the artwork's authenticity ahead of the auction, they may have done so with other items as well.
So who's paying back the money? The auction house or the gallery? I would guess the auction house is insured against selling fakes. This is well dodgy? Insurance money? You could report the fakes here link to fake art registerThe auction house cause they sold it to me. And they were the one who were writing that the Art work would come with an original Certificate of authenticity. I bought several items through the years from the auction house so there was no reason for me to question them. I guess they are insured indeed and if not I don't think they will pay the gallery. To be honest, I don't care where the money comes from as long I have it by the end of the day Are you more knowledgeable about the other items you have purchased over the years than the fake B anksy? In other words, how sure are you that your other purchases are what the auction house claimed? In addition to the fake B anksy, I would suggest that you might want to worry about your previous purchases as well. If the auction house has sold this fake B anksy a) knowingly or b) without assuring the artwork's authenticity ahead of the auction, they may have done so with other items as well. |
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Flower Thrower, by telecine on Apr 6, 2016 11:40:52 GMT 1, Unfortunately, looks like a total fake to me too.
Unfortunately, looks like a total fake to me too.
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 6, 2016 12:41:35 GMT 1, The auction house cause they sold it to me. And they were the one who were writing that the Art work would come with an original Certificate of authenticity. I bought several items through the years from the auction house so there was no reason for me to question them. I guess they are insured indeed and if not I don't think they will pay the gallery. To be honest, I don't care where the money comes from as long I have it by the end of the day Are you more knowledgeable about the other items you have purchased over the years than the fake Banksy? In other words, how sure are you that your other purchases are what the auction house claimed? In addition to the fake Banksy, I would suggest that you might want to worry about your previous purchases as well. If the auction house has sold this fake Banksy a) knowingly or b) without assuring the artwork's authenticity ahead of the auction, they may have done so with other items as well.
It might be that they have sold fake before, I don't know about that. I think that the auction house was not aware about this, they believed the art gallery because it's so well known in the netherlands. He's the official dealer from "Herman Brood" works. (fake or not, that I don't know either).
I think that the auction house should check it before offering it to the people but I do blame the art gallery more than the auction house.
The auction house cause they sold it to me. And they were the one who were writing that the Art work would come with an original Certificate of authenticity. I bought several items through the years from the auction house so there was no reason for me to question them. I guess they are insured indeed and if not I don't think they will pay the gallery. To be honest, I don't care where the money comes from as long I have it by the end of the day Are you more knowledgeable about the other items you have purchased over the years than the fake Banksy? In other words, how sure are you that your other purchases are what the auction house claimed? In addition to the fake Banksy, I would suggest that you might want to worry about your previous purchases as well. If the auction house has sold this fake Banksy a) knowingly or b) without assuring the artwork's authenticity ahead of the auction, they may have done so with other items as well. True! But it was a bike and some other stuff, not art I'm quite sure that my bike is real It might be that they have sold fake before, I don't know about that. I think that the auction house was not aware about this, they believed the art gallery because it's so well known in the netherlands. He's the official dealer from "Herman Brood" works. (fake or not, that I don't know either). I think that the auction house should check it before offering it to the people but I do blame the art gallery more than the auction house. |
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Flower Thrower, by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 12:46:30 GMT 1, If you pay the auction house then the auction house has to refund you and get their money back from the gallery. Thats how it works with most auction houses.
hermanbrood.net/_brood.htm
"Related to his success and especially after his death in 2001 many counterfeits (illegal copies, fake paintings, etc.) have been put on the market. Through the internet and by regular galleries as well. Even with faked copies of certificates of origin. His paintings have been copied also when Herman Brood was alive. He never reported the matter to the police because he saw it as an honour that his work was copied because it proved that his work was of great value !
Nowadays, it is assumed that hundreds of paintings and prints are counterfeits. It is considered proven that even criminal organizations in the Netherlands have been active in this field. In the current art market "experts" not always agree about the authenticity or origin of the work. It is a complex matter. One element is that Herman Brood painted a lot of his work (in his atelier, on the street, at events, etc.) and sold it directly to customers in stead of through his management or art broker. Nobody exactly knows the full scope of his work.
In order to be sure about the authenticity of a work a couple of things have to be clear:
the origin of the work has to be clear and traceable, back to the artist
the work should have "the touch" of the artist and the characteristics of the painter
the work should have an accompanying certificate of origin/authenticity from a reliable source."
www.hermanbroodart.nl/nld/nieuws/site-moet-brood-imitators-stoppen
If you pay the auction house then the auction house has to refund you and get their money back from the gallery. Thats how it works with most auction houses. hermanbrood.net/_brood.htm"Related to his success and especially after his death in 2001 many counterfeits (illegal copies, fake paintings, etc.) have been put on the market. Through the internet and by regular galleries as well. Even with faked copies of certificates of origin. His paintings have been copied also when Herman Brood was alive. He never reported the matter to the police because he saw it as an honour that his work was copied because it proved that his work was of great value ! Nowadays, it is assumed that hundreds of paintings and prints are counterfeits. It is considered proven that even criminal organizations in the Netherlands have been active in this field. In the current art market "experts" not always agree about the authenticity or origin of the work. It is a complex matter. One element is that Herman Brood painted a lot of his work (in his atelier, on the street, at events, etc.) and sold it directly to customers in stead of through his management or art broker. Nobody exactly knows the full scope of his work. In order to be sure about the authenticity of a work a couple of things have to be clear: the origin of the work has to be clear and traceable, back to the artist the work should have "the touch" of the artist and the characteristics of the painter the work should have an accompanying certificate of origin/authenticity from a reliable source." www.hermanbroodart.nl/nld/nieuws/site-moet-brood-imitators-stoppen |
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Flower Thrower, by ethan675 on Apr 6, 2016 17:36:32 GMT 1, I've contacted Pest Control about the fact that the auction and the art dealer sold fake Banksy's.. they were already aware of it and they gave their feedback to them. I hope that the other buyers will receive a mail from the auction about that but I'm afraid that that's not gonna happen .
I've contacted Pest Control about the fact that the auction and the art dealer sold fake Banksy's.. they were already aware of it and they gave their feedback to them. I hope that the other buyers will receive a mail from the auction about that but I'm afraid that that's not gonna happen .
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