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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by hypovalaemic on Dec 6, 2007 16:05:12 GMT 1, Am I right in thinking that the Kelsey Brookes print will not be the "Ganesh as Rejection" seeing that the canvas is on display at SG. I can't remember an original AND a print being available on the same release  ??
I was looking forward to the Ganesh Rejection, but you're probably right. I do hope its not the same print he was selling through lab101 (poor by his standards).
Am I right in thinking that the Kelsey Brookes print will not be the "Ganesh as Rejection" seeing that the canvas is on display at SG. I can't remember an original AND a print being available on the same release ?? I was looking forward to the Ganesh Rejection, but you're probably right. I do hope its not the same print he was selling through lab101 (poor by his standards). |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by becksaboo on Dec 7, 2007 1:17:34 GMT 1, i like some of the pieces in the show but in my opinion it looks a bit lacklustre compared with what's gone on the wall. All of that artwork is sublime. Particularly love the Sam 3 stuff.
i like some of the pieces in the show but in my opinion it looks a bit lacklustre compared with what's gone on the wall. All of that artwork is sublime. Particularly love the Sam 3 stuff.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by loucastel on Dec 7, 2007 1:20:09 GMT 1, Loadsa new stuff been appearing in the rooms but still nothing in room 4.
Loadsa new stuff been appearing in the rooms but still nothing in room 4.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by anthoz on Dec 3, 2007 11:25:18 GMT 1, Guys
As everyone here has been so helpful since joining the board i thought it would be a nice idea to help anyone who may be going to the ghetto and also to start a thread about any tips people can offer about travelling to bethlehem
As a regular traveller to Israel and for those who may wish to know here are some helpful travel tips to start off the thread....
1. anyone not living in London can get direct flights to israel with Thomson travel. their website is Thomsonfly.com.
The flights go from Manchester direct to telaviv on thursday and sunday everyweek. its the only way to fly direct outside of london and flights can be as low as 200 return. its about 4 and a half hours direct
2. those who do make it to Israel need to take serious note of the airport security and this is not to be underestimated. The isrealis take their homeland security to be the most important thing in the universe. If you havent been to isreal before and you are not jewish you WILL get grilled at the airport. possibly in a private room and possibly for a while. In my experience you really need to show them an address of where you are planning to stay. If you say you dont know or that you are here too visit the west bank you are likely to raise more eyebrows. The best thing to say is that you are a tourist, visiting the sights etc. During any questioning be as serious as they are, nervous laughter sometimes makes things more intense. If you take a laptop etc with you expect this to come under scrutiny also.
3. most poeple will speak lots of english so dont worry about that. once there food etc is cheap and as well as shekels most people will deal in dollars for bigger things like hotel rooms etc so its good to take some of those.
4. contrary to popular belief the country is quite chilled. nice people, excellent food and great roads and trains
5. the weather is dependant on where you are going, at this time of year Bethlehem/Jerusalem will be cold, and i mean cold, it can snow in december easily. however at the dead see it will still be 80 degrees plus, so make sure your wardrobe befits where you will be travelling too
hope all of this helps and for those of you that go enjoy.
p.s. i cant go but i have my spies out there already, i beleive the queue consists of 3 goats and a falafel salesman.
EDIT.....if you have passport stamps form other places such as jordan/egypt/dubai this can be problematic. form the isreali point of view they will want to understand why you are there, a traveller who has visited places that harbour threats to them will come under more questioning. its better to travel with a clean passport. much as if going to dubai with israel passport stamps can have its problems. they will still let you in in the end i would have thought but you really do need to consider this first. there really are no guarantees or rules here just general trends, it depends on the political climate at the time you travle and recent activity. just do not underestimate how serious these things are taken. It makes travelling to the US seem like getting into your local pub
EDIT2: top hint.....
if in isreal go to max brenners for dinner, you wont regret it
branch addresses for isreal are listed on this page
www.maxbrenner.com/branches.html
Guys As everyone here has been so helpful since joining the board i thought it would be a nice idea to help anyone who may be going to the ghetto and also to start a thread about any tips people can offer about travelling to bethlehem As a regular traveller to Israel and for those who may wish to know here are some helpful travel tips to start off the thread.... 1. anyone not living in London can get direct flights to israel with Thomson travel. their website is Thomsonfly.com. The flights go from Manchester direct to telaviv on thursday and sunday everyweek. its the only way to fly direct outside of london and flights can be as low as 200 return. its about 4 and a half hours direct 2. those who do make it to Israel need to take serious note of the airport security and this is not to be underestimated. The isrealis take their homeland security to be the most important thing in the universe. If you havent been to isreal before and you are not jewish you WILL get grilled at the airport. possibly in a private room and possibly for a while. In my experience you really need to show them an address of where you are planning to stay. If you say you dont know or that you are here too visit the west bank you are likely to raise more eyebrows. The best thing to say is that you are a tourist, visiting the sights etc. During any questioning be as serious as they are, nervous laughter sometimes makes things more intense. If you take a laptop etc with you expect this to come under scrutiny also. 3. most poeple will speak lots of english so dont worry about that. once there food etc is cheap and as well as shekels most people will deal in dollars for bigger things like hotel rooms etc so its good to take some of those. 4. contrary to popular belief the country is quite chilled. nice people, excellent food and great roads and trains 5. the weather is dependant on where you are going, at this time of year Bethlehem/Jerusalem will be cold, and i mean cold, it can snow in december easily. however at the dead see it will still be 80 degrees plus, so make sure your wardrobe befits where you will be travelling too hope all of this helps and for those of you that go enjoy. p.s. i cant go but i have my spies out there already, i beleive the queue consists of 3 goats and a falafel salesman. EDIT.....if you have passport stamps form other places such as jordan/egypt/dubai this can be problematic. form the isreali point of view they will want to understand why you are there, a traveller who has visited places that harbour threats to them will come under more questioning. its better to travel with a clean passport. much as if going to dubai with israel passport stamps can have its problems. they will still let you in in the end i would have thought but you really do need to consider this first. there really are no guarantees or rules here just general trends, it depends on the political climate at the time you travle and recent activity. just do not underestimate how serious these things are taken. It makes travelling to the US seem like getting into your local pub EDIT2: top hint..... if in isreal go to max brenners for dinner, you wont regret it branch addresses for isreal are listed on this page www.maxbrenner.com/branches.html |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by manchestermike on Dec 3, 2007 11:28:56 GMT 1, What about travelling with passport stamps from Jordan etc?
What about travelling with passport stamps from Jordan etc?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by dmandpenfold on Dec 3, 2007 11:29:52 GMT 1, good advice anthoz, pretty certain i wont be making the trip, but helpful indeed 
good advice anthoz, pretty certain i wont be making the trip, but helpful indeed |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 3, 2007 11:30:59 GMT 1, What about travelling with passport stamps from Jordan etc?
Jordan isn't a prob....just don't try to go to Syria if you've been to Israel/Palestine.
EDIT: Yes I tried, I never got an Isreali stamp but got a jordanian border crossing stamp whic indicated I went to Palestine, hey ho...have to get a new passport!
What about travelling with passport stamps from Jordan etc? Jordan isn't a prob....just don't try to go to Syria if you've been to Israel/Palestine. EDIT: Yes I tried, I never got an Isreali stamp but got a jordanian border crossing stamp whic indicated I went to Palestine, hey ho...have to get a new passport! |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by robgee on Dec 3, 2007 11:34:01 GMT 1, I went with work for 3 days and one of the guys I was with was an Asian who had visited Egypt. Had to wait an hour an a half when he was being questioned. Expect the worst if you've been to a Arab country and probably don't say your visiting Bethlehem.
I went with work for 3 days and one of the guys I was with was an Asian who had visited Egypt. Had to wait an hour an a half when he was being questioned. Expect the worst if you've been to a Arab country and probably don't say your visiting Bethlehem.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by manchestermike on Dec 3, 2007 11:34:14 GMT 1, What about travelling with passport stamps from Jordan etc? Jordan isn't a prob....just don't try to go to Syria if you've been to Israel/Palestine. EDIT: Yes I tried, I never got an Isreali stamp but got a jordanian border crossing stamp whic indicated I went to Palestine, hey ho...have to get a new passport!
Thanks... is it a problem the other way?
I'm seriously thinking of the Ghetto, but also Jordan next year 
What about travelling with passport stamps from Jordan etc? Jordan isn't a prob....just don't try to go to Syria if you've been to Israel/Palestine. EDIT: Yes I tried, I never got an Isreali stamp but got a jordanian border crossing stamp whic indicated I went to Palestine, hey ho...have to get a new passport! Thanks... is it a problem the other way? I'm seriously thinking of the Ghetto, but also Jordan next year |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by anthoz on Dec 3, 2007 11:34:26 GMT 1, mike
see my edit for some rough ideas
syria/iran are the worst stamps to have i guess
mike
see my edit for some rough ideas
syria/iran are the worst stamps to have i guess
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 3, 2007 11:35:55 GMT 1, No Jordan and Isreal have some sort of peace agreement so you'll have no Prob entering Jordan with an Isreali stamp...if you would rather not have a stamp in your passport, always have a piece of paper and ask them to stamp that.
No Jordan and Isreal have some sort of peace agreement so you'll have no Prob entering Jordan with an Isreali stamp...if you would rather not have a stamp in your passport, always have a piece of paper and ask them to stamp that.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by anthoz on Dec 3, 2007 11:37:48 GMT 1, its not really about peace agreements im afriad
it really is dependant on what is going on at the time
having been 12 times in the last 6 months ive seen how quickly things can change in terms of questioning and allies
its not really about peace agreements im afriad
it really is dependant on what is going on at the time
having been 12 times in the last 6 months ive seen how quickly things can change in terms of questioning and allies
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by pezlow on Dec 3, 2007 11:41:28 GMT 1, When I went to Israel they were more than happy to stamp a piece of paper rather than my passport.
Would echo what Anthoz has said about security. The grilling my girlfriend and I got was intense. They also searched everything we had painstakingly. Heaven knows what they are going to think of hundreds of people walking around with long cardboard tubes!!
When I went to Israel they were more than happy to stamp a piece of paper rather than my passport.
Would echo what Anthoz has said about security. The grilling my girlfriend and I got was intense. They also searched everything we had painstakingly. Heaven knows what they are going to think of hundreds of people walking around with long cardboard tubes!!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by anthoz on Dec 3, 2007 11:49:27 GMT 1, for those who wanted to know
thomson flights to telaviv going this thursday and coming back on sunday are currently ยฃ194 including tax
now that aint bad
for those who wanted to know
thomson flights to telaviv going this thursday and coming back on sunday are currently ยฃ194 including tax
now that aint bad
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by manchestermike on Dec 3, 2007 11:53:20 GMT 1, for those who wanted to know thomson flights to telaviv going this thursday and coming back on sunday are currently ยฃ194 including tax now that aint bad
Don't tempt me
Actually it's the Hatton fight this weekend, so that's out ;D
for those who wanted to know thomson flights to telaviv going this thursday and coming back on sunday are currently ยฃ194 including tax now that aint bad Don't tempt me Actually it's the Hatton fight this weekend, so that's out ;D |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by anthoz on Dec 3, 2007 11:59:33 GMT 1, when do we think the ghetto online shop will be open
will the prints sold be on a link back to pow.com or will there be a whole separate setup to sell the ghetto prints?
when do we think the ghetto online shop will be open
will the prints sold be on a link back to pow.com or will there be a whole separate setup to sell the ghetto prints?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by bombshelter on Dec 3, 2007 12:06:12 GMT 1, when do we think the ghetto online shop will be open will the prints sold be on a link back to pow.com or will there be a whole separate setup to sell the ghetto prints?
My guess would be this week some time , i would also say it will be a whole separate setup to sell the ghetto prints 
when do we think the ghetto online shop will be open will the prints sold be on a link back to pow.com or will there be a whole separate setup to sell the ghetto prints? My guess would be this week some time , i would also say it will be a whole separate setup to sell the ghetto prints |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by slacker on Dec 3, 2007 12:08:37 GMT 1, Jordan isn't a prob....just don't try to go to Syria if you've been to Israel/Palestine. EDIT: Yes I tried, I never got an Isreali stamp but got a jordanian border crossing stamp whic indicated I went to Palestine, hey ho...have to get a new passport! Thanks... is it a problem the other way? I'm seriously thinking of the Ghetto, but also Jordan next year
ยฃ65 for a new passport and you are sorted. i've had to do it a couple of times.
Jordan isn't a prob....just don't try to go to Syria if you've been to Israel/Palestine. EDIT: Yes I tried, I never got an Isreali stamp but got a jordanian border crossing stamp whic indicated I went to Palestine, hey ho...have to get a new passport! Thanks... is it a problem the other way? I'm seriously thinking of the Ghetto, but also Jordan next year ยฃ65 for a new passport and you are sorted. i've had to do it a couple of times. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Nuno on Dec 3, 2007 12:11:33 GMT 1, ยฃ180 return from manc, leaving tomorrow, when are the best days to be out there, or does nobody know?
ยฃ180 return from manc, leaving tomorrow, when are the best days to be out there, or does nobody know?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ogrgel on Dec 3, 2007 12:15:33 GMT 1, ยฃ180 return from manc, leaving tomorrow, when are the best days to be out there, or does nobody know?
.. and if I don't see pics from there every day at least three times I'll be..................................................   ... very very sad ..
.. I am willing to cover your expenses on internet cafes ....
ยฃ180 return from manc, leaving tomorrow, when are the best days to be out there, or does nobody know? .. and if I don't see pics from there every day at least three times I'll be.................................................. ... very very sad .. .. I am willing to cover your expenses on internet cafes .... |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by carl on Dec 3, 2007 12:17:35 GMT 1, ยฃ180 return from manc, leaving tomorrow, when are the best days to be out there, or does nobody know?
I would guess the sooner the better.
ยฃ180 return from manc, leaving tomorrow, when are the best days to be out there, or does nobody know? I would guess the sooner the better. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by kiy on Dec 3, 2007 12:25:24 GMT 1, Hmmm..
Problamatic.. I have Egypt, Dubai & Abu Dhabi as the last three stamps in my passport.
My bother has Saudi Arabia stamps also...
So should we go for clean passports?
Palestine has been somewhere I have always wanted to visit and having the Ghetto in Bethlehem is an added reason to go to the West Bank.
The hope we can pray our Eid prayers in Al Aqsa Mosque is reason enough to go.
We want to visit Jerusalem first, does anyone know how long the trip to Bethlehem is from Jerusalem. Will there be any issues taking a taxi or bus from Bethlehem to Jerusalem.
Anyone else going from the UK? Send me a PM...
Hmmm..
Problamatic.. I have Egypt, Dubai & Abu Dhabi as the last three stamps in my passport.
My bother has Saudi Arabia stamps also...
So should we go for clean passports?
Palestine has been somewhere I have always wanted to visit and having the Ghetto in Bethlehem is an added reason to go to the West Bank.
The hope we can pray our Eid prayers in Al Aqsa Mosque is reason enough to go.
We want to visit Jerusalem first, does anyone know how long the trip to Bethlehem is from Jerusalem. Will there be any issues taking a taxi or bus from Bethlehem to Jerusalem.
Anyone else going from the UK? Send me a PM...
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Nuno on Dec 3, 2007 12:28:15 GMT 1, What will be for sale there, (im a ghetto virgin) are we talking stuff for 100's or 1000's primarily talking in terms of banksy
What will be for sale there, (im a ghetto virgin) are we talking stuff for 100's or 1000's primarily talking in terms of banksy
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by pezlow on Dec 3, 2007 12:33:47 GMT 1, Hmmm.. Problamatic.. I have Egypt, Dubai & Abu Dhabi as the last three stamps in my passport. My bother has Saudi Arabia stamps also... So should we go for clean passports? Palestine has been somewhere I have always wanted to visit and having the Ghetto in Bethlehem is an added reason to go to the West Bank. The hope we can pray our Eid prayers in Al Aqsa Mosque is reason enough to go. We want to visit Jerusalem first, does anyone know how long the trip to Bethlehem is from Jerusalem. Will there be any issues taking a taxi or bus from Bethlehem to Jerusalem. Anyone else going from the UK? Send me a PM...
On getting from Jersualem to Bethlehem this info is a few years old but was my experience. Israeli buses and taxis will NOT take anyone in to the West Bank. You should also not drive an Israeli numberplated car in the the west bank.
The only way to get in there when I was there was to take an arab bus from the arab bus station in Jerusalem. This bus station is chaotic and difficult to deal with but you will find people willing to help you if you ask around.
Like I say this info is a few years out of date so someone with more recent experience may know how to deal with it now.
Hmmm.. Problamatic.. I have Egypt, Dubai & Abu Dhabi as the last three stamps in my passport. My bother has Saudi Arabia stamps also... So should we go for clean passports? Palestine has been somewhere I have always wanted to visit and having the Ghetto in Bethlehem is an added reason to go to the West Bank. The hope we can pray our Eid prayers in Al Aqsa Mosque is reason enough to go. We want to visit Jerusalem first, does anyone know how long the trip to Bethlehem is from Jerusalem. Will there be any issues taking a taxi or bus from Bethlehem to Jerusalem. Anyone else going from the UK? Send me a PM... On getting from Jersualem to Bethlehem this info is a few years old but was my experience. Israeli buses and taxis will NOT take anyone in to the West Bank. You should also not drive an Israeli numberplated car in the the west bank. The only way to get in there when I was there was to take an arab bus from the arab bus station in Jerusalem. This bus station is chaotic and difficult to deal with but you will find people willing to help you if you ask around. Like I say this info is a few years out of date so someone with more recent experience may know how to deal with it now. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by hammy on Dec 3, 2007 12:41:38 GMT 1, +! for useful info anthoz....
.............unless its still in london 
+! for useful info anthoz.... .............unless its still in london |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ab on Dec 3, 2007 13:22:40 GMT 1, for those who wanted to know thomson flights to telaviv going this thursday and coming back on sunday are currently ยฃ194 including tax now that aint bad
can anyone put up a link to these flights ?
thanks
for those who wanted to know thomson flights to telaviv going this thursday and coming back on sunday are currently ยฃ194 including tax now that aint bad can anyone put up a link to these flights ? thanks |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by anthoz on Dec 3, 2007 13:27:05 GMT 1, www.thomsonfly.com
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by bob1 on Dec 3, 2007 13:28:28 GMT 1, Its only a short bus ride from Jerusalem, there is a bus station in East Jerusalem that I think goes there and it is quite cheap, trust me it wont be hard or difficult to get there. Good luck
Its only a short bus ride from Jerusalem, there is a bus station in East Jerusalem that I think goes there and it is quite cheap, trust me it wont be hard or difficult to get there. Good luck
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by craigf on Dec 3, 2007 13:35:34 GMT 1, Interesting change of location, somewhat more challenging and I would like to know how many ppl POW think will attend! Would be very funny if there is still a very long queue and they only have a couple of prints available in the shop.
Re stamps in the passport as it has been said above this depends on the situation, but generally Arab countries looking unfavourably on Israli stamps and vice versa. I had to get a second passport, but the controls on having two passports have tightened considerably over the last few years including an itinery showing why two are necessary signed by a lawyer etc. Also turn around times aren't that great so it's probably not an option 
Israli customs are very thorough even more so when leaving the country as they have the view the plane is then full of fuel and can make more damage if sabotaged. To indicate how anal they can be a collegue had a bit of broken plastic on his suit case and they were shining torches down it and kept him for more than 2 hours asking lots of questions, which as he is Japanese weren't so easy to answer in English.
One positive for those who do go it will be nice and warm so no need to huddle in shop doorways ;D
Interesting change of location, somewhat more challenging and I would like to know how many ppl POW think will attend! Would be very funny if there is still a very long queue and they only have a couple of prints available in the shop. Re stamps in the passport as it has been said above this depends on the situation, but generally Arab countries looking unfavourably on Israli stamps and vice versa. I had to get a second passport, but the controls on having two passports have tightened considerably over the last few years including an itinery showing why two are necessary signed by a lawyer etc. Also turn around times aren't that great so it's probably not an option Israli customs are very thorough even more so when leaving the country as they have the view the plane is then full of fuel and can make more damage if sabotaged. To indicate how anal they can be a collegue had a bit of broken plastic on his suit case and they were shining torches down it and kept him for more than 2 hours asking lots of questions, which as he is Japanese weren't so easy to answer in English. One positive for those who do go it will be nice and warm so no need to huddle in shop doorways ;D |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by pezlow on Dec 3, 2007 13:37:59 GMT 1, I think Bethlehem will be cold at Christmas Craig.
I think Bethlehem will be cold at Christmas Craig.
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